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General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: Harald-Alex. on February 13, 2018, 09:50:38 PM
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I start today a stream of fotos from the snowdrop region Torgau/Elbe - Herzberg/Elster -Uebigau in germany. I want to show the highlights of spring flower places, as snowdrops, crocus, scillas and chionodoxa grow here since many years.
Foto 1: - in the Torgau townpark "Glacies" grows thousands of snowdrops G. nivalis for many years
Foto 2: - right and left of the way to the railwaystation Torgau every februar snowdrops open her flowers
Foto 3: - around the church of Wildschütz in mart thousands of wild crocus colours the churchyard violett
Foto 4: - the park around the Castle of Uebigau is developed as Snowdrop-park
Foto 5: - the park of Schurigshof - Döbrichau every year in mart is blue by scilla flowers
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Beautiful places, worth seeing. I try to achieve similar result in my garden and in the closest neighbourhood - along the streets etc - by actively dispersing seeds. Much smaller scale, of course.
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Beautiful sceneries, Harald - Alex; I wish I could enjoy them not only via pics!
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Beautiful places, worth seeing. I try to achieve similar result in my garden and in the closest neighbourhood - along the streets etc - by actively dispersing seeds. Much smaller scale, of course.
Hallo Jacek,
thank You for Your interesting comment. We are in Eastgermany not so far away from Your home. Torgau is north of Leipzig and south of Berlin by the river Elbe. We try to develop our area to a "Snowdrop-region" and have for this a good natural basis. In 2022 in Torgau will be celebrated the next "Saxonia Garden Show" and we plan, bevore the official opening in April, a special "Snowdrop-Weekend" in february with a show of different Snowdrop varieties and Celebrating a "Name-Giving" of an new snowdropvarieties! More fotos of my snowdrops You can find in "flickr" under the personal words "Harald Alex", there You can see my fotostream.
With great interest I look for Your fotos in this forum!
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Beautiful sceneries, Harald - Alex; I wish I could enjoy them not only via pics!
Thank You, Mariette for Your nice comment. You are invited to visit our region and my new snowdrop-garden. I see, You live near the Rhein and there You will be in Nettetal next week. We are this time in Scottland to visit snowdrop - parks as Castle Cambo Gardens and others, but in Nettetal in Michael Camphausen as snowdrop-sellers, we knew us good!
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I really like the effect achieved in the second photograph where the snowdrops are randomly distributed rather than in clumps and gaps. Is propagation of the snowdrops mostly achieved though seed or is it done manually? I ask because in the UK we have some large populations of Galanthus nivalis which are almost sterile and set seed very rarely - and yet still have been spread over a wide area.
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I really like the effect achieved in the second photograph where the snowdrops are randomly distributed rather than in clumps and gaps. Is propagation of the snowdrops mostly achieved though seed or is it done manually? I ask because in the UK we have some large populations of Galanthus nivalis which are almost sterile and set seed very rarely - and yet still have been spread over a wide area.
Hallo Alan, thank You for Your interest comment. The snowdrops in the Glacies Torgau flowers many years and I think, they mostly spread by seedlings. I have found many of them and the older clumbs differ a little bit in colour of the leaves and time of flowering. This shows the natural genetic variability of Galanthus nivalis, come from seedlings (Foto 1). In the other side we have old places with infertile G nivalis flore pleno. Here the clumbs are bigger and need the help of the people to spread (Foto2)
Foto 1: - Galanthus nivalis in the Glacies Torgau from seeds with natural genetic variability
Foto 2: - G. nivalis flore pleno in the Park Schurigshof with great clumbs of infertile flowers
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I really like the effect achieved in the second photograph where the snowdrops are randomly distributed rather than in clumps and gaps. Is propagation of the snowdrops mostly achieved though seed or is it done manually? I ask because in the UK we have some large populations of Galanthus nivalis which are almost sterile and set seed very rarely - and yet still have been spread over a wide area.
Hallo Alan, I have two more fotos with seedlings for You
Foto 1: shows the place in my garden, where between longyears G. nivalis grows some G, elwesii, I got from gardenmarket OBI 10 years ago. With the help of the bees there are yearly many fertile semen and from there I selected interseting seedlings of elwesii types.
Foto 2: one of a big and healthy growing seedling is himself very fertile and under the flowers (left) I found many germinated snowdropseedlings
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I ask because in the UK we have some large populations of Galanthus nivalis which are almost sterile and set seed very rarely - and yet still have been spread over a wide area.
Alan,
Very interesting to me. I'm just a hobby gardener and my level of knowledge is very low. I have had only flore pleno for years. Now I "imported" plain nivalis from gardens in the neighbourhood. One of the reasons is the need for seeds and seedlings. It's too early to judge if I have seedlings - there were seed pods for sure. Whether there were viable seeds inside - I don't know. But the risk of sterility is high - the plants present in the local kindergarten form huge clumps without separated single plants - they must be sterile. I will observe this year.
Of course, I could bring single plants from the wild - they are no longer strictly protected in Poland as the natural populations are growing. But they do not grow wild in my neighbourhood.
In case of G. elwesii I clearly have seedlings.
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Hallo Jacek,
thank You for Your interesting comment. We are in Eastgermany not so far away from Your home. Torgau is north of Leipzig and south of Berlin by the river Elbe. We try to develop our area to a "Snowdrop-region" and have for this a good natural basis. In 2022 in Torgau will be celebrated the next "Saxonia Garden Show" and we plan, bevore the official opening in April, a special "Snowdrop-Weekend" in february with a show of different Snowdrop varieties and Celebrating a "Name-Giving" of an new snowdropvarieties! More fotos of my snowdrops You can find in "flickr" under the personal words "Harald Alex", there You can see my fotostream.
With great interest I look for Your fotos in this forum!
Harald-Alex,
You are right, not so far - "only" 650 KM. One day I will come.
As to my photos - unfortunately, I do not have much to show. May be some time...
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Last year we started in Torgau a landart projekt for the 500 Year of Reformation with 16000 Galanthus and Chionodoxa and planted the portraits of Martin Luther and Katharina von Bora in the lawn of the Rosengarten near the Castle Hartenfels Torgau ( Foto 1).
We opened a new "Lutherweg Elbe-Elster" and near the "Heilandskirche Beilrode" we planted the family-logo of Martin Luther. (Foto 2).
In the next month the park of Schurigshof will coloured ful BLUE with thousands of Scilla sibirica flowers (Foto 3)
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When I follow the discussion about seedlings I really wonder how fertilisation in snowdrops takes place. The time when they flower there are no bees flying, so who is responsible for the pollination?
Hannelore
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My bees really like snowdrops Hannelore, presumably because there aren't many other good sources of pollen so early in the year.
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My bees really like snowdrops Hannelore, presumably because there aren't many other good sources of pollen so early in the year.
It's much warmer in your country than here. Bees don't fly before March or April (12-15°C). We have years in which we don't have peaches because it was too cold for bees when the trees flowered. When the first bees appear the snowdrops are gone for weeks.
Hannelore
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In our area (Niederrhein), bees and bumblebees are well on their way when the majority of snowdrops flowers, at least G. nivalis. Most snowdrops open their flowers when temperatures reach 10 °C, and that´s when the insects are out, too.
When the pollen is shed, the wind may carry it at least 10 cm or so. If different clones are growing so close together, they´re likely to be pollinated that way, too.
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It's much warmer in your country than here. Bees don't fly before March or April (12-15°C). We have years in which we don't have peaches because it was too cold for bees when the trees flowered. When the first bees appear the snowdrops are gone for weeks.
Hannelore
Hallo Hannelore, I found in my snowdropgarden during sunny weather already end februar and Mart bees in snowdropflowers collecting pollen.
I send You a foto from 8.3.2013, where You can see a bee in snowdrops. (Foto 1)
The fertile galanthus flowers forms green fruits with fertile seeds, the infertile fruits soon after flowering became yellow and dry out. (Foto 2). Greetings from Döbrichau, Saxonia - North Harald
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Last year we started in Torgau a landart projekt for the 500 Year of Reformation with 16000 Galanthus and Chionodoxa and planted the portraits of Martin Luther and Katharina von Bora in the lawn of the Rosengarten near the Castle Hartenfels Torgau ( Foto 1).
We opened a new "Lutherweg Elbe-Elster" and near the "Heilandskirche Beilrode" we planted the family-logo of Martin Luther. (Foto 2).
In the next month the park of Schurigshof will coloured ful BLUE with thousands of Scilla sibirica flowers (Foto 3)
Harald- Alex, I´m really impressed by the activities with which You improve the attractiveness of Your region by planting so many snowdrops and other geophytes! Hope to be able to visit Your garden and area in a few years when retired, as it will take more than just a day off.
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Harald- Alex, I´m really impressed by the activities with which You improve the attractiveness of Your region by planting so many snowdrops and other geophytes! Hope to be able to visit Your garden and area in a few years when retired, as it will take more than just a day off.
Hallo Mariette, thank You for Your nice comment. I try to grow snowdrops not only in my own garden, but I want to focus the mind to the many natural places in our region, where snowdrops and other spring flowers grows. In 2022 in Torgau starts the" Sächsische Landesgartenschau 2022" and first time for such a exhibition we want organize in february a "Snowdrop-Weekend" , where a new snowdrop variety gets a name!
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The weather is very frosty now, but also, if the maximum temperatures are little under zero, the snowdrops stands up after frosty nights when the sun shines. We start in Saturday, 3.3.18 our first bus tour through the snowdrop region Torgau Herzberg and hope,this is the beginning of a new tradition!
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I hope that you - and the flowers - are not all frozen, Harald! Have a good time!
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Because of the hevy nightfrosts of the last two weeks we had to cancel the first bus-travel in our Snowdropregion Torgau -Herzberg - Uebigau!
It is good, that the damages of this hard weather are little only, so that we can start with the bus in Friday 9.3.18 afternoon.
A little surprise for the visitors of my snowdropgarden are this first attempts of "Snowdrop-cakes"!
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Impressions from our first Snowdrop-Bustour Torgau, Wildschütz, Döbrichau, Falkenberg and Snowdrop-park Uebigau:
we had a fine fife hour trip with best sunny spring-weather
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Fotos from our first Snowdrop-Bustour Torgau, Wildschütz, Döbrichau, Falkenberg and Snowdrop-park Uebigau:
foto 1: Crocus churchyard Wildschütz and the farmgarden Müller
foto 2: our group bevore the Glacies Torgau with snowdropplaces
foto 3: Snowdrop-garden Döbrichau
foto 4: snowdrop-park Uebigau
foto 5: surprise with snowdrop-caces!
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Fotos from our first Snowdrop-Bustour Torgau, Wildschütz, Döbrichau, Falkenberg and Snowdrop-park Uebigau:
foto 1: Crocus churchyard Wildschütz and the farmgarden Müller
foto 2: our group bevore the Glacies Torgau with snowdropplaces
foto 3: Snowdrop-garden Döbrichau
foto 4: snowdrop-park Uebigau
foto 5: surprise with snowdrop-caces!
we will repeat this tour soon!
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Fotos from our first Snowdrop-Bustour Torgau, Wildschütz, Döbrichau, Falkenberg and Snowdrop-park Uebigau:
foto 1: Crocus churchyard Wildschütz and the farmgarden Müller
foto 2: our group bevore the Glacies Torgau with snowdropplaces
foto 3: Snowdrop-garden Döbrichau
foto 4: snowdrop-park Uebigau
foto 5: surprise with snowdrop-caces!
Newspaper from today:
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the churchgarden Saxdorf is a beautiful "botanical garden" in south-Brandenburg and now full of Snowdrops, Crocus, Eranthis, later many Roses, Bambus, Camelias and Shrub-paeonieas. There in 10.3.2018 the organisatores celebrated with great engagement the Open Garden Day 2018". Many visitors came to look the flowers. In the afternoon we had coffee and cakes and heard klavier musik from MDB Stephan Hilsberg.
The Top of this day was a power-point-presentation of Hagen Engelmann about the classification of snowdrops and the newest trends in snowdrop-breeding! A wonderful day with spring sun and 14 °C.
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the local newspaper had im monday a positve resüme of the Open Garden Day in Saxdorf:
Foto 1: - The gardener Manig and Graeff organisated this open day
Foto 2: - between two powerpoint presentations Hagen Engelmann answered the many questions of the visitors
Foto 3: - thousands of snowdrops flowered and many hybrids was to seen
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In the curchgarden Wildschütz opened thousands of blue crocus and is open now, says the newspaper Torgauer Allgemeine from 14.3.18
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also in our new snowdrop - garden all snowdrops are in flower after the hard frostperiod (Foto 1 +2) and are an attraction for many snowdrop-fans.
Some of the clusters with little flowers I have to marker and harvest in may to give this snowdrops new places with more space, that they are flowering again in the next years (Foto 3)!
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"Scottish stone walls" and many snowdrop-flowers in the little park of Schurigshof Döbrichau. Eranthis also flowering and 3 weeks later here thousands of blue Scilla sibirica opens their flowers!
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In 17.mart 2018 the winter came back here with 10 cm snow and -7°C!
All springflowers are good covered with snow and we can think to bring back the Skier and to make a ski - tour!
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The Newspaper "Torgauer Allgemeine" from 20.3.2018 with the following article:
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Those are so beautiful views in your parks. Here bulbs are not planted in parks, only in flower beds. Maybe they are considered too difficult because then lawn can't be mown early. In botanical gardens of Turku and Helsinki they have bulbs in lawn, but no snowdrops or eranthis, mostly scillas, but they set a good example.
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Those are so beautiful views in your parks. Here bulbs are not planted in parks, only in flower beds. Maybe they are considered too difficult because then lawn can't be mown early. In botanical gardens of Turku and Helsinki they have bulbs in lawn, but no snowdrops or eranthis, mostly scillas, but they set a good example.
Hallo Leena, thank You for Your nice comment! Here the spring bulbs also only grows well, when they live under trees with little gras!
We try here to connect the different flowerplaces of our region to a "Snowdrop-region Torgau-Herzberg-Uebigau". thats why we started the bustour and the visitors was enthusiastic and haven`seen before all the places! Here starts in April - October 2022 the Saxon Garden Show LAGA 2022 in Torgau and we founded in last thuesday a "Society to promote the LAGA 2022". I will be active there to realisize an open weekend in March only for snowdrops, winteraconites and crocus (some weeks before the official opening!).
I attachment some fotos of 1.- Garden Saxdorf; 2. Crocusgarden Wildschütz; and my Snowdropgarden Döbrichau.
Greetings and Happy Eastern Harald Alex
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In 21.march 2018 in Torgau was founded the society for supposing the next Saxonia Garden Exhibition ( Förderverein für die LAGA 2022 Torgau). I will there work activ for the realisation of Special-Snowdrop-Weekends in march some weeks bevore the official opening end april 2022!(Foto 1)
In our newspaper Torgauer Zeitung my snowdropgarden is recommended to visit (Foto 2).
A overview of the snowdropgarden Döbrichau (Foto 3)
In the park of Schurigshof single and dubbled snowdrops, Eranthis and the first blue Scilla sibirica are flowering together (Foto 4)
All Galanthus nivalis flowering without damage after this late winter (Foto 5)
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In the Glacies - the townpark of Torgau - after the snowdrops now the blue-white Chionodoxa flowers in big areas. This is an eyescatcher for the visitors and tourists (foto 1).
Also in this year in the park of Schurigshof thousands of Scilla sibirica opens their flowers and form a deepblue carpet (Foto2)
This two highlights and other more we want use for the comming Saxonia Garden Show - Laga 2022 -
The society to promotion the gardenshow starts now with their work and we want realize such projects around the Show.
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Now it is perfect!
Our Society for Promotion the Saxonia Garden Show LAGA 2022 in Torgau/Elbe organisates the first "Springflower-Exposition" in Torgau in 9. and 10. march 2019 as training for 2022! The spot of this new Exposition will be on SNOWDROPS, Winteraconites, Ckrous, Chionodoxa, wild Narcissus and Tulips and Leucojum! We plan a yearly springflowershow also in the next years in begin of march!
We want organize this exposition in the East of Germany similar to the snowdrop-events of Nettetal, Hamburg and Darmstadt and invite all galantophiles and other fans of early springflowers to take part in the Exposition with flowering Exemplares or for visiting our Exposition in Torgau. We have a fine location - the old historic "Proviant Magazin" in the centre of the town, where is place for the exposition, for car-parcing, eating and drinking!
Nurceries and hobbygardeners, as sellers of springflower-plants are wellcome too!
For the organisation we get the help from the SRGC and hope of an successful weekend.
Interested gardeners and visitors can contact our organistion group under the email-adress: "harald-alex@gmail.com"
The Invitation You can see in the added foto
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Hallo, here is our new created invitation for the 1. springflowershow in Torgau in 9. and 10. march 2019!
The hotspot there SNOWDROPS will be and we look forward this event with great fun!
http://www.fv-lgs-torgau.de/torgau-bl%C3%BCht-auf.html (http://www.fv-lgs-torgau.de/torgau-bl%C3%BCht-auf.html)
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Good news from Torgau:
For the 1. springflower-exhibition in 9. and 10. march 2019 we get a big help from the town Torgau and the scocciety of the pubs (Wirteverein), who organisite in the same weekend the "Torgauer Frühlingsfest" with open restaurants and shops all over the weekend, activities for childrens and families and more. So we get additional a big publicity and many visitors will come! Our "Springflower-Show" will be the central attraction here and will open the minds for the "LAGA TORGAU 2022"!
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The location for the 1. springflower-show in Torgau in 9. and 10. march 2019 is an historic Saxonia -"Proviantmagazin" in Torgau, the biggest in Saxonia, build in 1727/8!
There is enough place for all flower-exponates and sellers too!
Foto 3: The court of the castle Hartenfels with the famour open sandstone staircase.
Foto 4: Thousands of Chionodoxa blue flowers in the Glacies (park around the old town) Torgau
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The "Snowdrop-garden Alex Döbrichau" near Torgau in north-Saxonia in autumn, after a long hot and dry summer the lawn is green again and many autumn flowers are open in places, where in some month will flower snowdrops!
The first Galanthus reginae-olgae "Elenii" (from Ian Christie) starts in open ground, the flowerstems come out of the soil, till now protected by dwarf-callistephus flowers.
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Fantastic pictures... Harald.
I'm always happy when I read the word Saxony in your articles. Please continue to advertise our beautiful federal state. Positive news from Saxony is currently precious.
Thomas
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Fantastic pictures... Harald.
I'm always happy when I read the word Saxony in your articles. Please continue to advertise our beautiful federal state. Positive news from Saxony is currently precious.
Thomas
Hallo Thomas, thank You for Your nice comment, we from the "Förderverein LAGA Torgau eV." now prepare our first spring-flower-show in Torgau in 9.and 10. march 2019 and have till now ca 15 farms and companies, which show us their plant-exponates in a cool location - the historical "Proviant Magazin" from 1723. see also in "Garten pur" - Gartenwege and there LAGA Torgau 2022, created from blublu! In connection with this event we get in monday the "Pachtnutzung" of an old historical "Kräutergarten" of the mohren-Apotheke, where in 1550 the physicus Kentmann got the plants from, for his fine "Kreutterbuch" with 600 coloured plants from 1563!
This unique book is in the tresor of the saxony(!) state bibliothek in Dresden with the Reg-no: 00001! ...and not full copied till now, only a fine book from the Prestl-Verlag from 2003 shows 30 plant-pictures! Greetings from Harald
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A foto of the "Apothekergarten/Kräutergarten" of the Mohren Apotheke Torgau, which our socciety "Förderverein LAGA Torgau eV."get it to use and hold in order!
The fotos show the view in the garden with the garden house, created in an old bastion of the first muir around the "Altstadt Torgau", the garden with the plan with the plants of Kentmann "Kretterbuch" from 1563, and the inner of the garden house with an old camin! The plan of the garden is created after the europa-first botanical garden in Padua!