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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Yann on January 01, 2018, 03:58:00 PM
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i got this one as Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis, defintely not what it's supposed to be
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a new one is blooming, Muscari inconstrictum
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i got this one as Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis, defintely not what it's supposed to be
Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis - biodicon.com (http://www.biodicon.com/YayinlananMakaleler/04. 282-1112.pdf)
Okan SEZER et al., Some morpho-anatomical studies on rare endemic Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis Biological Diversity and Conservation – 6 / 2 (2013) 27
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thank you Maggi, i'll take a look this evening.
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first time in january in open ground one Muscari armeniacum opens the blue flower, unusual, normaly they flower in april - may here
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Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis - biodicon.com (http://www.biodicon.com/YayinlananMakaleler/04. 282-1112.pdf)
Okan SEZER et al., Some morpho-anatomical studies on rare endemic Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis Biological Diversity and Conservation – 6 / 2 (2013) 27
All forum can bomb me with these kind of articles.
I'll go and check the locations.
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Hyacinthella heldreichii, i grow all my Hyacinthella in a very dry mix of clay and grit
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A nice tiny blue bells, Yann :)
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Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis, JJA 690.800. Turkey, Sivrihisardag.
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What a name :P
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Hyacinthella nervosa JJA 571.360
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Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis, JJA 690.800. Turkey, Sivrihisardag.
I wonder from whom you recieved this plant?
I plan to go to Sivrihisar this spring.
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Arda, the JJA 690.800 tells us that the plant was grown from seed from a collection from Jim Archibald - there is an archive of Archibald material in the main SRGC Website, as well as a thread in the forum showing plants grown from seed from Jim Archibald - who died some years ago - he was perhaps the most famous of the private seed collectors of our time.
when he posted these photos to the Archibald thread, YT wrote : 690.800 : Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis * Turkey, Sivrihisardag. A recently described species. Flowers dark violet with large white, constricted lobes which then flare at the mouth.
Seeds from: Jenny Archibold EXCLUSIVE SEEDS : JANUARY 2011
Sowing: Sep. 2011
Pictures: 26 Jan. 2018
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As I read about him, I admired him. May he rest in peace.
From that I understand that, only sivrihisardaghlariensis source is JJA seeds at the moment?
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I imagine that such a rare plant is not available anywhere. It is surely protected now.
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I doubt that. We are talking about Turkey :)
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Seeds are sometimes available from those who have it in cultivation. I managed to get hold of some seed last year but am yet to find a label big enough for the name! ;D
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Muscari chalusicum
Muscari armeniacum, foliage frozen, the pot was in a cold frame.
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Hyacnthella lazulina opened on the balmy humidity.
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Hyacinthella siirtensis ex JJA 571.500
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Muscari leucostomum enjoying the sun 8)
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Muscari bourgaei, seedex AGS, sown during january 2014
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The earliest muscari in the sand beds under glass here are still tiny.
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Two tiny species who were out but waiting for weeks to open the first flower.
Hyacinthella acutiloba
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Muscari coeleste
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I missed some Muscari flowers during my travels, but the season is not finished.
Muscari kerkis is nice this year, the last days were sunny its colors are darker
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Pink muscari with wrong tag. My guess is ‘Gul’ or perhaps ‘Rosey Sunrise’ but i think the latter blooms later?
Any ideas?
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Pink muscari with wrong tag. My guess is ‘Gul’ or perhaps ‘Rosey Sunrise’ but i think the latter blooms later?
Any ideas?
Hello, Rimmer. Where did your pink muscari come from? That looks similar to "JJA 688.012 : MUSCARI ARMENIACUM from PINK FORM".
It is described as "From a selection made in Turkey by Bob & Rannveig Wallis over a decade ago. This has now been named ‘Gul’, Turkish for rose." on the JJA Master List of Seed Numbers (download the pdf file here (http://files.srgc.net/archibald/seedlists/JJA_seedlist_master_SRGC.pdf))
I posted the pictures of it several times on this forum before.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8371.msg240465#msg240465 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8371.msg240465#msg240465)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13877.msg353838#msg353838 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13877.msg353838#msg353838)
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Muscari mcbeathianum, JJA 690.080 :)
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Muscari aucheri, JJA 688.101
Turkey, Bolu, near Abant Gölü. 1000m. Ex N. Stevens 2541
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News from Plant Heritage of a garden open day at a National Collection Holder for Muscari:
See over 100 Muscari cultivars planted among other spring-flowering plants at this National Collection Open Day, 8 April, 11am-4pm. Set in a private garden in Norwich, there are refreshments and plants for sale, and entry is free. Details here https://bit.ly/2EcNxkJ
And for more about the Collection of Richard Hobbs, visit the Norfolk Plant Heritage website https://bit.ly/2nEmavn
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Muscari latifolium
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Hi Tatsuo
It had the wrong tag, got mixed up in the move but since there are so mamy it must have been a potfull of seedlings and Gul gave the most seeds so I think you are correct as my other pink forms are blooming now. Probably from the Wallis’s.
Hello, Rimmer. Where did your pink muscari come from? That looks similar to "JJA 688.012 : MUSCARI ARMENIACUM from PINK FORM".
It is described as "From a selection made in Turkey by Bob & Rannveig Wallis over a decade ago. This has now been named ‘Gul’, Turkish for rose." on the JJA Master List of Seed Numbers (download the pdf file here (http://files.srgc.net/archibald/seedlists/JJA_seedlist_master_SRGC.pdf))
I posted the pictures of it several times on this forum before.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8371.msg240465#msg240465 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8371.msg240465#msg240465)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13877.msg353838#msg353838 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13877.msg353838#msg353838)
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Muscari mcbeathianum, JJA 690.080 :)
Hi Tatsuo
Wonderful!
How do you grow this plant.
I have tried several times in fine sand in cold frame while in Michigan and it never lasted long.
Now i cannot find a source.
Rimmer
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Another muscari / leopoldii / bellevalia with a lost tag (birds?). Probably grown from Wallis or JJA seed. Any ideas?
blooming now in Mid April i think this blomed in May in Michigan.
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Bellevalia forminii, south of Armenia
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I have a Muscari macrocarpum that has bulked up from 1, in 2016 to 6 plants this year however exch time it has flowered as soon as all the flowers have opened it falls over. The stem is not strong enough to support the weight. Any ideas why it does this?
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I have a Muscari macrocarpum that has bulked up from 1, in 2016 to 6 plants this year however exch time it has flowered as soon as all the flowers have opened it falls over. The stem is not strong enough to support the weight. Any ideas why it does this?
So does mine!
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Good question!
In cultivation it seems to me that good forms will make very large flower heads- which must be hard to support.
Perhaps there is not enough moisture being taken up /applied at this time to enable the stems to hold the flowers? Quite how to get the roots to be able to enable a greater uptake of fluid to strengthen the stems is another question. :-\
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I have my M. macrocarpum growing among some Ornithogalum umbellatum.
The foliage of the Ornithogalums seem to hold the large flower heads of the M. macrocarpum erect.
Not sure how they grow in habitat but it may be an answer.
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Where did you get yours from David, mine was from Aberconwy Nursery, may be worth getting some from another nursery and seeing how their do.
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Haven't a clue where I got it Neil, I've had quite a long time.
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first time grow Muscari macrocarpum in our garden and survived frosts in begin of march till -18°C. They Looks well and stands stabil, Foto1.
The Foto2 Shows the Muscari-Sortiment, all are well and undamaged, the M. macrocarpum flowes at last!
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Heinz-Harald's M. macrocarpum growing outside certainly have nice short stems - which probably helps in keeping them upright.
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Heinz-Harald's M. macrocarpum growing outside certainly have nice short stems - which probably helps in keeping them upright.
Hallo Maggi, I got the bulbs of M. macrocarpum late in autumn and planted they late in November, maybe is this the reason of the short stems. I was very surprised about the frostresistence of this variety, I thought, that they are more fragile!
Also Bellevalia I planted first time and they are hardy also, one of the flowerstems are dubbled!
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Unknown large bellevalia from Turket with very long pedicels. Not mich colour to flowers but interestimg to look at, like a pine seedling
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This very dark muscari was grown from seed as M. commutatum but last year someone on the Forum questioned that and the consensus seems to be that it most likely a form of Muscari neglectum.
The beastie which is obvious on a flower in the close-up is the dreaded red-legged earth mite >:(
cheers
fermi
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This very dark muscari was grown from seed as M. commutatum but last year someone on the Forum questioned that and the consensus seems to be that it most likely a form of Muscari neglectum.
The beastie which is obvious on a flower in the close-up is the dreaded red-legged earth mite >:(
cheers
fermi
Looks like M. neglectum to me. Attached a photo of M. neglectum from Armenia to compare.
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Looks like M. neglectum to me. Attached a photo of M. neglectum from Armenia to compare.
Hi Luc,
yes, last year when I posted pics of it Ashley said that it was most likely M. neglectum.
The ones in the pic were planted out a few years ago and have proliferated so will require relocating!
Here is Muscari inconstrictum grown from seed from Kurt Vickery
cheers
fermi
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Muscari armeniacum and 2 pics of Muscari azureum which is just starting
cheers
fermi
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Muscari inconstrictum grown from AGS Seedex 2009
cheers
fermi
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Muscari muscarimi in bud and in flower - ours has not increased and has not set seed - perhaps it needs to be moved?
cheers
fermi
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Muscari muscarimi in bud and in flower - ours has not increased and has not set seed - perhaps it needs to be moved?
cheers
fermi
I've noticed this isn't keen to increase. Cannot say I've been looking for seed on it , so I suppose that means it didn't set any here either!
...... cue someone to say they've acres of it !!
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Muscari armeniacum ex 'Gul' AGS Seedex 2008 - pics taken over 3 days.
There has been discussion before about the naming of the parent of these seedlings. I believe that the Wallises named it 'Gul' but as that is simply Turkish for "pink" or "rose" someone said that they could not use it and so they decided on 'Gul Delight'. However in all discussion of it recently I've just seen it called 'Gul'. As these are seedlings they cannot be called by the same name so I just label them ex 'Gul (Delight)'
cheers
fermi
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A couple of unlabelled muscari relatives in flower in the garden.
The first is a bellevalia I think and the next is a leopoldia similar to L. comosum but without the top-knot
cheers
fermi
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... and the next is a leopoldia similar to L. comosum but without the top-knot
On the MGS Forum Oron has identified the Leopoldia as Leopoldia spreizenhoferi and it has now developed the "top knot"
cheers
fermi
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wonderful show Fermi
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Muscari szovitsianum, related to armeniacum
Pseudomuscari pallens
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after several reports it's not armeniacum, any idea?
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Nice little one.
Is it always that early?
Poul
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Muscari szovitsianum, related to armeniacum
Suggested as Pseudomuscari pallens
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yes, Dimitri has also identified this plant as pallens, i got the bulb from the Wallis. They also gonna update their labels :)
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Nice little one.
Is it always that early?
Poul
Not really, this year 30% of my muscari are already in buds or blooming :o
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Bellevalia dubia ssp hackelii originally grown from NARGS Seedex 2008
cheers
fermi
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Bellevalia hyacinthoides