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Title: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on December 05, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
A timely reminder of great quality snowdrops from Dryad Nursery and Anne Wright.

Dryad Gold Sovereign, a single bulb acquired two years ago, now 8 noses appeared, planted in the garden. I am going to need to split this pot next dormant season by the look of it.

Dryad Gold Bullion acquired 1 year ago, now showing 4 noses so far, again planted outside in the garden.

My other Dryad Golds are also all present and correct. Tier 1 yellows and great garden plants.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on December 05, 2017, 03:24:37 PM
I bow to your superior cultivation, Ingrid!   We think we do pretty well here with the Dryad drops we have, but you shame  me with your  rate of increase.  Are  you sure your AT is not  feeding them his special chilli oil to get such results?  ::)
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on December 05, 2017, 04:17:20 PM
Are  you sure your AT is not  feeding them his special chilli oil to get such results?  ::)

They are in the nuclear bed Maggs which helps, his foul oil is currently at The Hague answering questions on war crimes!  ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Harald-Alex. on December 05, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
Here end of november the first nightfrosts occured and the snowdrops are frozen and layed down.
Now I protect the flowers during frosty nights with plastic cups.
The Three Ships started here in 2.12.17.
Fotos:
1. G. r - o Elenii after a frostnight outdoors
2. G. elwesii Seedling during frost outdoors
3. Protection of snowdrops with plastic cups
4. Three Ships started in 2.12.17
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: David Lowndes on December 06, 2017, 10:35:02 AM
Here is ‘Hollis’ finally and ‘Donald Sims Early’. ‘Fly Fishing’ and ‘Reverend Hailstone’ any minute now. Peter Gatehouse still flowering strongly. Many showing well including ’Dryad Gold Sovereign’ and rizehensis cultivars. ‘Kinn MaciIntosh’ hasn’t appeared.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Roma on December 06, 2017, 07:53:01 PM
It was warm enough today for the flowers on Galanthus corcyrensis to open. 
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Jane on December 08, 2017, 02:34:22 PM
I’m hoping this first post using my phone goes OK!  Galanthus ‘Hoggets Narrow’ is my favourite of my early flowering Snowdrops.

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Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Yann on December 08, 2017, 07:24:21 PM
Roma corcyrensis is very similar to reginae? I'm not at all a galanthus expert...
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: sokol on December 08, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
Roma corcyrensis is very similar to reginae? I'm not at all a galanthus expert...

They are the reginae-olgae from Korfu that have an own name.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Rick Goodenough on December 08, 2017, 10:54:45 PM
Jane, a beautiful shot of your G. e. 'Hoggets Narrow'!
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Harald-Alex. on December 12, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
In my snowdropgarden the first winterperiode with frost and snow is over and all snowdrops are well.
With the Three Ships the spring snowdrops start.
The sprouts of many other Elwesii snowdrops are visible.

Fotos:
1. - my new snowdropgarden during frost - the flowering snowdrops are protected under plastic cups
2. - G. r-o Elenii after frost and snow
3. - Three Ships starts to flower
4. - G. elwesii Happy New Year starts early
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on December 16, 2017, 11:51:32 AM
Cold but sunny here this morning. All action from the Swaps & Spares bunker!

First Bumble Green, a lovely drop from Glen Chantry! Green marks on the outers, on this one this year. Last year clump grew enormously but no green tips. Interesting to see what happens this season. When in clump looks like a glorious swarm of bees.

Next Galanthus e Tricorne, named after its resemblance to the Tricorne hat. Originating in the Garden House, it was much admired by Val Bourne in the Telegraph. It has clumped well in the garden to the extent it needed splitting and added to the S&S bunker. Quite a nice green tipped variety.

Finally, a Christmas favourite Three Ships.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2017, 01:06:47 PM
Lots happening there in the  sunshine, Ingrid.  I'm not a very "hearty" person but one has to  like a neat heart-shaped 'drop mark!

Up here the drops are keeping themselves safe underground  for the most part - a very sensible move.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on December 16, 2017, 02:45:23 PM

Up here the drops are keeping themselves safe underground  for the most part - a very sensible move.

Most of mine are through Maggs, including most of the yellows! Anne's Dryads are all looking excellent, the usual additional shoots. We only had snow for a day or so, it has been cold but today's Sun was very welcome. I am waiting on a new green tip with the most beautiful shape and inner I have seen! Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Leena on December 17, 2017, 01:01:17 PM
In my garden the earliest snowdrops had their noses showing from the ground a week ago, but then came snow and their growing stops or slows down a lot. There isn't yet very much snow, but there will be before the winter is finished in maybe March or April.
It is always a wonder how resilient snowdrops are, and some even continue to grow during winter months and the flowers are fully formed inside the snow.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: annew on December 18, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
They are tough little things, Leena. I've been too busy to do any work on my 'display' garden this year, but I could still spot Three Ships struggling up through the debris! What a terrific snowdrop it is. Faringdon Double , Barnes and a few others are also making an attempt.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Rick Goodenough on December 20, 2017, 12:43:17 AM
Today we are past the deep freeze we had been in for over a week. And look what was found happily blooming, G. 'Remember Remember'.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Leena on December 21, 2017, 10:39:29 AM
It is so nice to see flowers and also to see the order which they come up and flower in warmer climates, so it is easier to decide what to try to grow here. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: TCalkins on December 21, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
Blooming at the winter solstice in Virginia, G. elwesii 'Standing Tall' - hardly tall yet, but if the weather warms it will elevate.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: ashley on December 23, 2017, 04:34:53 PM
Warm enough here today to open drops in the garden:
Hans guck in die Luft    (thanks Hans :) )
woronowii
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: YT on December 24, 2017, 01:11:30 PM
Nice drops and cyclamens, Ashley :)
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: YT on December 24, 2017, 01:27:36 PM
I posted pictures of a yellowish snowdrop from a local garden centre last month (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15838.msg384085#msg384085). And now its leaves look growing enough for ID, please.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 24, 2017, 04:04:55 PM
Galanthus reginae-olgae 'Tilebarn Jamie' has put in a very late appearance. Slightly out of focus!

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Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Tony Willis on December 25, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
Galanthus rhizahensis only 3 inches tall
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 25, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
.... ID, please.
It is indeed galanthus elwesii, as identified by your friend.  There is only one yellow elwesii known in cultivation, 'Carolyn Elwes', and it is not to everybody's taste as it has a sickly look to it.  You have a real treasure there, if it always comes yellow like that.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Tony Willis on December 25, 2017, 12:59:36 PM
Galanthus elwesii var monostictus
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: YT on December 25, 2017, 01:17:46 PM
It is indeed galanthus elwesii, as identified by your friend.  There is only one yellow elwesii known in cultivation, 'Carolyn Elwes', and it is not to everybody's taste as it has a sickly look to it.  You have a real treasure there, if it always comes yellow like that.

Thank you, Alan :) I've already sent a copy of your comment to my friend.
This yellow is probably stable. The friend of mine gave me this as "yellowish snowdrop" and it shows same colour at my place ;)
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: annew on December 25, 2017, 02:50:37 PM
Merry Christmas to all our friends. May you all have a happy and peaceful New Year and good growing! Whoever guesses the most cultivars in the picture will receive a life size giclee print. They are all mainstream varieties.  :) :)

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Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Arda Takan on December 25, 2017, 06:32:22 PM
how do you identify galanthus :D
They all look same to me
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: annew on December 25, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Rick Goodenough on December 26, 2017, 03:24:07 AM
Thank you, Anne! Merry Christmas to you as well and to all my SRGC friends! Rick
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 27, 2017, 09:49:35 PM
The popular UK drama "Call the Midwife" had a special Christmas episode that was shown on Christmas day in the UK.  Set in the hard winter of 1963, it featured a bunch of snowdrops in the closing minutes of the show.
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It's an unusual variety, a type derived from Scharlockii as we see the very elongated spathe but without any green marks on the outer petals.  And the spathes don't seem to be split as there is one per flower in the bouquet.  Very odd!   
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 28, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
how do you identify galanthus :D
They all look same to me

Turkey has such a wealth of beautiful and different snowdrop species.  Start with the leaves: colour shape and size.  Then look at the green mark on the inner petals; how extensive is it?  Or take a photograph, post it here and we will tell you what it is.  Your nearest snowdrop might well be Galanthus plicatus subsp. byzantinus, which I think they call the Istanbul Snowdrop in Turkey.  If you want a challenge, see if you can find an autumn-flowering form of this snowdrop; something unknown to botanists but which I have heard rumours of, growing not too far from where you are in Eskişehir.   
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 28, 2017, 09:20:10 AM
Thank you, Alan :) I've already sent a copy of your comment to my friend.
This yellow is probably stable. The friend of mine gave me this as "yellowish snowdrop" and it shows same colour at my place ;)

I would not be surprised if you get a few Private Messages seeking a trade for this snowdrop.  Snowdrops with yellow marks are quite highly sought-after.  Some, like the yellow form of Galanthus nivalis, are not terribly rare but I am not aware of any other yellow form of Galanthus elwesii except for the very odd one I mentioned previously. 
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 28, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
An unusual form of Galanthus elwesii with green marks at the base of the outer petals.  Unfortunately it has multiplied only slowly since I found it.
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Perhaps I should let somebody else take a turn now?
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on December 28, 2017, 02:44:49 PM
Today's morning patrol in the bright sunshine.

First, another new one from Andy Byfield and another beauty! G.e. Ladyboy. Very different from some of his others but rightly justifying his place in my 'Big 4' Beauty Spotters! Lovely shape to the outers and fine green markings and a great addition to his range.

Next Ronald Mackenzie looking delightful in the winter sun. A couple of dozen of my yellows are looking as though they will flower soon but it is great RM is the first. A classic but also a stunner and the first of several flowers.

Finally, Godfrey Owen, the first of my Pocs also increasing well.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on December 28, 2017, 03:01:33 PM
Hope you have plenty tulips planted in the garden, Ingrid - you're going to need some flowers to enjoy  in the "real" Spring!
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on December 28, 2017, 03:06:28 PM
Hope you have plenty tulips planted in the garden, Ingrid - you're going to need some flowers to enjoy  in the "real" Spring!

I know Maggs, I added 1500 this year, so there should be around 4000 plus Daffs et al  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Arda Takan on December 28, 2017, 08:29:14 PM
Turkey has such a wealth of beautiful and different snowdrop species.  Start with the leaves: colour shape and size.  Then look at the green mark on the inner petals; how extensive is it?  Or take a photograph, post it here and we will tell you what it is.  Your nearest snowdrop might well be Galanthus plicatus subsp. byzantinus, which I think they call the Istanbul Snowdrop in Turkey.  If you want a challenge, see if you can find an autumn-flowering form of this snowdrop; something unknown to botanists but which I have heard rumours of, growing not too far from where you are in Eskişehir.
Alan thank you so much about your tips. I've never seen galanthus in wild around Eskişehir. The climate here is continental. But Bursa Bolu are very close to Eskişehir yet they have different climate. So I will try my chance
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 28, 2017, 11:52:51 PM
Alan thank you so much about your tips. I've never seen galanthus in wild around Eskişehir. The climate here is continental. But Bursa Bolu are very close to Eskişehir yet they have different climate. So I will try my chance
Turkey is home to Galanthus nivalis, Galanthus plicatus, hybrids between the two, Galanthus elwesii, Galanthus alpinus, Galanthus peshmenii, Galanthus woronowii, Galanthus rizehensis, Galanthus krasnoviii, Galanthus trojanus, Galanthus fosteri, Galanthus koenianus and possibly some more species that I have forgotten.  It would be a great shame if you could not find some wild snowdrops to look at within travelling distance of where you live.

An afterthought; if you use Facebook then the Türkiye Florası group sometimes pictures snowdrops and there was a recent photo from the Bursa region of Galanthus plicatus in bud.     
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 29, 2017, 12:00:15 AM
Finally, Godfrey Owen, the first of my Pocs also increasing well.

I don't wish to be pedantic but the wonderful thing about 'Godfrey Owen' is that it is a perfect double snowdrop with six outer petals and six inners too.  Pocs are relatively common but 'Godfrey Owen' remains unique, I believe.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Hannelore on December 29, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
Here are my first ones for this blooming season. I thought it was G. elwesii but now I read that this species flowers in autumn? So I really don't know what snowdrop it is.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 29, 2017, 02:02:44 PM
Here are my first ones for this blooming season. I thought it was G. elwesii but now I read that this species flowers in autumn? So I really don't know what snowdrop it is.
Galanthus elwesii typically flowers in January and February like most other snowdrops but there are some, possibly a subspecies, that flower in autumn.  The autumn-flowering ones have not been much studied because their native habitat has only recently become known to botanists.

The ones in your photo are indeed Galanthus elwesii.   
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Hannelore on December 29, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 30, 2017, 02:58:29 PM
Deceptive doubles:  'Godfrey Owen', a lovely snowdrop with six outer petals making it look very like a poculiform type.

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Until you look inside and see that there are six inner petal making it a perfect double with twice the normal number of petals.

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- Actually I think I count 7 inner petals but never mind, it's still beautiful.
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Alan_b on December 30, 2017, 03:04:56 PM
Deceptive doubles; 'Farringdon Double'.  This looks very like a single snowdrop on the outside

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because it only has a few extra inner petals

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Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Leena on December 31, 2017, 12:32:25 PM
I like doubles, because they look plump also in cold (or cloudy) weather when singles keep their petals colosed. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus in December 2017
Post by: Arda Takan on January 01, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Turkey is home to Galanthus nivalis, Galanthus plicatus, hybrids between the two, Galanthus elwesii, Galanthus alpinus, Galanthus peshmenii, Galanthus woronowii, Galanthus rizehensis, Galanthus krasnoviii, Galanthus trojanus, Galanthus fosteri, Galanthus koenianus and possibly some more species that I have forgotten.  It would be a great shame if you could not find some wild snowdrops to look at within travelling distance of where you live.

An afterthought; if you use Facebook then the Türkiye Florası group sometimes pictures snowdrops and there was a recent photo from the Bursa region of Galanthus plicatus in bud.     
Alan today I went to Bilecik and meanwhile I looked around for snowdrops. But havent seen any. There were forests of broad leaves and cyclamens everywhere. It really looked like a suitable habitat for galanthus to me but no luck =/
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