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Title: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 01, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
This week's Bulb Log from Ian Young looks Inside and Outside.


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http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Mar011488369508BULB_LOG_0917.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Mar011488369508BULB_LOG_0917.pdf)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 01, 2017, 02:53:07 PM
It looks spring has already come to your garden, Maggi ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 01, 2017, 02:53:53 PM
Narcissus cantabricus ‘clusii’
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: ebbie on March 01, 2017, 03:02:12 PM
A perfect plant!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 01, 2017, 04:30:20 PM
It has, YT, yes!
 And you are growing the finest pots of bulbs as ever, I see!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on March 02, 2017, 02:12:14 PM
N. lobularis
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 02, 2017, 02:48:10 PM
A perfect plant!
It has, YT, yes!
 And you are growing the finest pots of bulbs as ever, I see!
Thanks, ebbie and Maggi ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 05, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Narcissus ‘Coo’
Narcissus cantabricus, ex. JJA 699.814. A "petunioid" seedling.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 05, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. viriditubus (is this still recognised as a subspecies?)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: John85 on March 05, 2017, 06:54:26 PM
Wim
Have a look at flora on pt
The one with the green stripes is described as ssp bulbocodium
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 06, 2017, 08:22:41 PM
Wim
Have a look at flora on pt
The one with the green stripes is described as ssp bulbocodium

Thanks John!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 07, 2017, 05:22:19 PM
Narcissus rupicola subsp. marvieri.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Jan Jeddeloh on March 09, 2017, 04:21:40 AM
Narcissus jonquilla var. henriquesii (or whatever the taxonomists are calling it today) is blooming in my greenhouse.  I only wish it was possible to photograph the wonderful scent. I've been trying to pollinate the flowers with a cotton swab so maybe I'll get lucky and get some seed.
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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Jan Jeddeloh on March 09, 2017, 04:24:57 AM
Let's try again on the picture.  It wasn't rotates in Photos on my Mac.
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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 09, 2017, 12:18:42 PM
I have rotated your photos for you, Jan.  I refer you to this post :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg370435#msg370435 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg370435#msg370435)
 Re: Viewing and Posting pictures on the Forum

There have been some problems for folks posting pictures from their i-pads or smart phones -  these are appearing either sideways or upside down  when loaded to the forum.

It 's a question of how the pix were first  saved I think.  Not sure, since I don't  use an i-pad or camera phone, so I consulted Ian about this.

He says  if the pix are flipped in the device  or as you resize them ( to make them display the right way up as you see them) then they will rotate when posted here, back to the original orientation.  If you don't flip them they'll be  correct here in the first place.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: ikizzeki on March 09, 2017, 12:54:03 PM
 From seed exchange, first year flowering.
I lost labels all of seedlings, so needed to identify.
Narcissus jonquilla subsp. cerrolazae..
Thanks so much Rafa Diez Dominquez for identifying.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 10, 2017, 08:00:14 AM
Some small ones in my garden:

Narcissus 'Coo'
Narcissus 'Jim Lad'
Narcissus 'Minicycla'
Narcissus 'Mitimoto'
and Narcissus nanus
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 10, 2017, 08:00:50 AM
And Narcissus pseudonarcissus 'Putshills' (name corrected, thanks David!)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 10, 2017, 09:31:29 AM
No mention of this one on DaffSeek Wim? Does it differ at all from the standard pseudonarcissus? You have spelt it as 'Putts' in your photo file and as 'Puts' in your post ??? ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 10, 2017, 02:58:17 PM
Narcissus eugeniae "clone no. 1" ‘Trumpet Voluntary’ from Anne :)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 10, 2017, 03:04:43 PM
Narcissus eugeniae "clone no. 1" from Anne :)

 So lovely - now given the name 'Trumpet Voluntary'  see here
 http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12889.msg326567#msg326567 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12889.msg326567#msg326567) 

 and this year's photo
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14006.msg351411#msg351411 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14006.msg351411#msg351411)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 10, 2017, 03:16:48 PM
Thank you for making me remember its name, Maggi ;) I fixed my previous post.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 10, 2017, 04:56:58 PM
No mention of this one on DaffSeek Wim? Does it differ at all from the standard pseudonarcissus? You have spelt it as 'Putts' in your photo file and as 'Puts' in your post ??? ;D

Hmmm, the regular one has a paler yellow outer perianth, while in this one it is the same yellow as the corona. Typo for the name, it is 'Putts Hills'. Have to ask the person from whom I got it where it originated!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 10, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
Must be unregistered, it's not on DaffSeek in any forms of the name.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 10, 2017, 07:59:12 PM
This link is to the Youtube channel of Fernando Ureña Plaza- with some super  videos of Narcissus

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChD68iZO2TdXs3zGjHPc1Aw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChD68iZO2TdXs3zGjHPc1Aw)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 11, 2017, 04:54:09 PM
Harvest season has come :)

... and Narcissus bulbocodium var. pallidus, JJA 696.600. There are 2 seedlings in this pot.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 11, 2017, 09:00:48 PM
Must be unregistered, it's not on DaffSeek in any forms of the name.

Just asked the person who gave me this form and it is 'Putshills', named by Dean Croucher.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 11, 2017, 09:13:14 PM
Mmmm, still doesn' show up on Daffseek.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 12, 2017, 07:54:31 AM
Mmmm, still doesn' show up on Daffseek.

Probably never registered!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 12, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
It's all happening here. Narcissus 'Viridiflora Cultivar 4'. This one has a good strong scent.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 12, 2017, 01:52:45 PM
Narcissus jonquilla var. henriquesii, (syn. Narcissus flavus), and Narcissus provincialis (syn. Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. minor).
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 12, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
Narcissus calicola, and Narcissus radinganorum (syn. Narcissus hispanicus).
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 12, 2017, 01:58:56 PM
Narcissus papyraceus, and Narcissus hispanicus (is it different to N. radinganorum in previous post?).
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 12, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
Narcissus 'St Keverne', and Narcissus perez-chiscanoi, another synonym of Narcissus hispanicus.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Jan Jeddeloh on March 13, 2017, 04:18:43 AM
Thanks Maggie for fixing my pictures.  The photos were taken with and iPhone so that appears to be the problem.  i need to remember to turn the photos into jpegs before I post.  That will likely fix the problem.

Jan
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Gerdk on March 13, 2017, 04:12:40 PM
These are

Narcissus jacetanus from NE Spain and N. bulbocodium from Oukaimeden/Morocco

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on March 13, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
Here is

1) Narcissus bulbocodium.[attach=1]

 The flowers are half the size of the Narcissus bulbocodium 'Oxford Gold' in pictures 2), 3) and 4)
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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on March 13, 2017, 05:59:10 PM
The narcissus pseudonarcissus lobularis are in flower. I like to see them when they seem to turn all to the same place like trumpets at a concert.

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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 13, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
Very nice, Fred. Here is Narcissus 'Viridiflora Cultivar 2', and another version of Narcissus provincialis (N. pseudonarcisssus subsp. minor).
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Yann on March 14, 2017, 07:56:13 PM
viriflora grows outside?
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 14, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
Yes, Yann, in a sheltered spot. Narcissus papyraceus also grows well outdoors here.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 14, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
Narcissus bujei, another synonym of Narcissus hispanicus.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Yann on March 14, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
i also tried papyraceus in the garden but they froze, bulbs are not damaged.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on March 16, 2017, 06:02:35 PM
Narcissus 'Viridiflora Cultivar 1' in flower and on the second photo, Narcissus 'Viridiflora cultivar 2'
Comme ils semble bien se multiplier en pot, j'essaierai au jardin aussi une fois le moment du rempotage arrivé.

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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 16, 2017, 07:52:10 PM
Narcissus 'Andy Blanchard'
Narcissus 'Giselle'
and Narcissus 'Mitimoto'
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Matt T on March 16, 2017, 08:25:22 PM
I missed out on bagging myself 'Giselle' last year. She's absolutely gorgeous!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 16, 2017, 08:26:39 PM
I missed out on bagging myself 'Giselle' last year. She's absolutely gorgeous!
While I was admiring 'Andy Blanchard'  ...... so many plants, so little time!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 16, 2017, 08:32:08 PM
I missed out on bagging myself 'Giselle' last year. She's absolutely gorgeous!

I'm sure Anne will have some this year...

While I was admiring 'Andy Blanchard'  ...... so many plants, so little time!


I like all those small ones...too many to choose from!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 16, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
i also tried papyraceus in the garden but they froze, bulbs are not damaged.
These have been growing outside at the base of a south facing wall for some years now. They flower reliably and increase.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 16, 2017, 08:38:09 PM
Narcissus rupicola and Narcissus rupicola subsp. watieri.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 16, 2017, 08:59:36 PM
From seed labelled Narcissus Tockwith Anne (AGS 09/10-4123) and I really don't know what to call it now. I know Anne has renamed the plant but can't for the life of me remember what it is called now. Help!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 16, 2017, 09:03:57 PM
From seed labelled Narcissus Tockwith Anne (AGS 09/10-4123) and I really don't know what to call it now. I know Anne has renamed the plant but can't for the life of me remember what it is called now. Help!

Have a look here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6855.msg189658#msg189658), David

David - I just discussed this daffodil with another forumist. Tockwith Anne should be renamed 'Robin Metcalf' (it was he, not me, who raised it). It is not a registered name, so I feel I can change it willy nilly - I never liked the name, and I feel I'm much more of a trumpet than a hoop petticoat type, should I ever have a daff named in my honour. I will not change it again, so you can rewrite your label with confidence. It is a good 'doer'.

Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 16, 2017, 09:11:28 PM
Cheers for that Maggi. I can't remember what I had for tea today never mind what I said in 2011. ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on March 17, 2017, 08:08:01 AM
Here is an old monstrosity in first picture is Narcissus 'Rip van Winkel'
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In the second photo, Narcissus Pseudonarcissus, which comes from Gérardmer in France.
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In the third photo, it is a corolla defect which is spiral in Narcissus pseudonarcissus lobularis.
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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 17, 2017, 06:56:03 PM
Narcissus hedraeanthus subsp. luteolentus
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Matt T on March 17, 2017, 07:41:59 PM
Narcissus hedraeanthus subsp. luteolentus

Interesting. This is a very variable plant in the wild, probably of hybrid origin and certainly involving N.hedraeanthus. All those I saw in the Sierra de Alcaraz were much paler in colour than yours and extremely variable in morphology of the flower (a selection presented in the latest issue of The Rock Garden and more in the IRG 85 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Jan261485471226IRG85.pdf).
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 18, 2017, 07:07:27 AM
Interesting. This is a very variable plant in the wild, probably of hybrid origin and certainly involving N.hedraeanthus. All those I saw in the Sierra de Alcaraz were much paler in colour than yours and extremely variable in morphology of the flower (a selection presented in the latest issue of The Rock Garden and more in the IRG 85 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Jan261485471226IRG85.pdf).

Cheers, Matt! I got mine from Kurt Vickery (Not from Kurt, not too sure where I got them from then, maybe Lars & Kirsten Anderson) if I remember correctly....the flower's bigger than in my "regular" hedraeanthus and a lot more intensely coloured. It does flower on flower stalks that are just as low, though!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 18, 2017, 06:13:00 PM
Narcissus ‘Andy Blanchard’
Almost 2 weeks later than the usual.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Gerdk on March 19, 2017, 02:00:20 PM
Here are some daffodils - the first ones from the garden, the others cultivated inside

1. A bicolored Pseudonarcissus from the Pyrenees
2. Narcissus confusus from the Sierra Morena
3. Narcissus cantabricus - from Brazatortas/Sierra Morena
4. Narcissus x matritensis (N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus x N. cantabricus)
5. Narcissus (rupicula) watierii from the High Atlas

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Yann on March 19, 2017, 03:49:11 PM
very nice set Gerd, Narcissus bulbocodium obesus MS 451 i've forgotten in a corner of the greenhouse. no water for september and still nice!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Gerdk on March 20, 2017, 11:59:46 AM
Thank you Yann!
N. obesus is one of the most undemanding species for me also!

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 21, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
Narcissus cyclamineus, from Galicia.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 22, 2017, 11:04:45 AM
Narcissus seguriensis, JJA 706.250
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: YT on March 22, 2017, 02:46:11 PM
Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides
It hasn't bloomed this season :( Looks very healthy and number of leaves from each bulbs is normal (2-4 leaves) but no flowers! ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: annew on March 23, 2017, 07:48:46 PM
You need to talk very seriously to it, Tatsuo!
Our recent trip to RHS Garden Rosemoor to exhibit in the Daffodil competition was a very daffy weekend. First the formality of the daffodil exhibition - cut flowers in vases, and an unprecedented number of miniatures exhibited. Four exhibitors vied for the nine single bloom class. Brian Duncan was victorious, but we gave him a fight.
Strangely, I cannot add pictures to the post... ???
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2017, 07:52:11 PM
Quote
Strangely, I cannot add pictures to the post... ???

 Anne, the site is undergoing updates and attachments are disabled at the moment- also  the forum will be offline altogether tomorrow for more work.   We hope this will not be for too long.

 There are  notices  to this effect  in   the General area of the forum and in the Notice Board section.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 23, 2017, 07:55:24 PM

Strangely, I cannot add pictures to the post... ???

Anne this will say why:-
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15264.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15264.0)

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=374219;topic=15265.0;last_msg=374235 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=374219;topic=15265.0;last_msg=374235)
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: annew on March 23, 2017, 08:21:39 PM
I know, I just noticed the other postings. I'm a bit slow.. :-\
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2017, 09:20:18 PM
I know, I just noticed the other postings. I'm a bit slow.. :-\
Don't worry Chuck, you won't be the only one! I know some folks come straight to their favourite threads and will miss these notices, but it is quite impossible to  add them to all the active threads!
I do not doubt that my inbox tomorrow will fill with -" the forum is down  do you know "   emails!
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 28, 2017, 07:16:22 PM
Narcissus x ubriquense and Narcissus assoanus.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: annew on March 29, 2017, 04:23:26 PM
Nice x ubriquensis, Ralph!
Photos from Rosemoor finally below:
Narcissus bulbocodium in drifts
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Narcissus cyclamineus in the woodland garden
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The head gardener
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The 4 entries in the nine-bloom class at the show
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Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: annew on March 29, 2017, 04:24:37 PM
Wild Narcissus pseudonarcissus in a wood near Rosemoor:
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: annew on March 29, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
Two new daffs to be registered:
Little Jen (my daughter finally thinks one is good enough to bear her name). It is a triandrus x rupicola, strictly speaking a x rupidulus, although with the cross being what it is, I would call it a x tripicola!
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Fat Rascal, an obesus x triandrus cross with sometimes two flowers to the stem. Admired at the East Lancs show last weekend.

Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 29, 2017, 07:44:40 PM
Very nice, Anne.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on March 30, 2017, 06:40:21 AM
Yes, Anne. They're pretty both.
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 30, 2017, 06:00:42 PM
2 small species flowering in the open garden:

Narcissus assoanus
en Narcissus rupicola
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Karaba on March 30, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Narcissus assoanus and Narcissus tazetta

Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on March 31, 2017, 03:28:55 PM
N. rupicola-sown July '11
Title: Re: Narcissus - March 2017
Post by: WimB on March 31, 2017, 07:25:37 PM
Narcissus calcicola
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