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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on March 01, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
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Our season is long here ...
you can see another of the Schorbuser Lichter (lights).
The color turns from green to yellow orange ...
no name
still in trial
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I really love this characteristic, much like 'Chameleon' and there seem to be several others in the pipeline ;D
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Beautiful shape, Hagen.
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Not strictly from March - but relayed from recent Northern Ireland Daffodil Group show in Ireland -
The champion winning green seedling show and raised by Anne Wright .... pix by Brian Duncan, no less!
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Seedling is as yet un-named, as far as I know.
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I must say that those photographs show Anne's snowdrop off to really good effect. It's such a pity that the name 'Cyclops' has already been taken otherwise 'Dryad Cyclops' would seem (to me) very appropriate. Or does this snowdrop already have a name?
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Hello,
today I caught 10 bulbs Galanthus nivalis 'viridapice' for 10€ altogether. Besides one, which seems a little bit dried out, the bulbs look good and feel solid. I planted them directly when returning home 2 x 5 into clay pots.
Is there any recommendations how to tread them when they're planted so late and out of time?
Hannelore
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The general recommendation for snowdrops is not to buy them as dry bulbs because they tend to get too dry if stored at indoor temperatures for too long. In your situation I would be tempted to immerse the pots in water for a while so the compost is thoroughly wet then move the pots to a dry location outdoors (provided the compost is not allowed to freeze). If shoots appear then give more water or move the pots to keep the compost moist. If they don't then don't water the pots again and keep them minimally damp over the summer.
I have no idea if this will work but it seems to me to be the right thing to do.
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My latest Snowdrop bought from Cambo, Fife - Magdelan Erskine
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The general recommendation for snowdrops . . .
Thank you!
Hannelore
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I found this lovely clump today. A total of 5 flowers and all 4x4.
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Another find today. It's almost transparent ( camera doesn't really show it that we'll ) and the tips of the leaves are bent at a 90° angle.
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What an awesome group of cultivars being shown here on March 1. Hagen's stunning green-to-yellow-to-orange 'Schorbuser Lichter' heads the procession...and Anne's seedling, what a fine looker. And so many other fine drops in bloom on March 1.
I had a fine drop blooming today from none other than Ian Christie, G. 'Castle Green'. It was gale force winds here today and it is amazing that this photo is only as fuzzy as it is!
Rick
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Shauney, you need (if possible) to grown the 4x4s on to see if they do the same thing next year. I have encountered clumps of snowdrops that all do something unusual one year but then only repeat sparsely in subsequent years. I'm afraid the semi-transparent snowdrop is just going over; you'll get used to that as you come to study snowdrops more closely.
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I've marked the spot so will check again next year. Admittedly I've not studied snowdrops in fine detail until this year,but I've been gardening for nearly 27 years and not seen a snowdrop be transparent all over. The ones I have noticed that show signs of some transparency are generally half shrivelled. This still looks fresh and what do you think is going on with the leaves? It really stood out against the others. I have marked that one aswell.
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I found this lovely clump today. A total of 5 flowers and all 4x4.
They do need growing on for a few years to make sure, but as the whole clump is 4x4 that is promising. I have been growing a snowdrop called 'All Saints' for some ten years or so and this year, for the first time ever, there were three flowers with four outers. It would be lovely if this was a stable feature but I don't expect to see it again, I shall just enjoy it while I can.
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In 2013 I found two separate clumps of snowdrops where all the scapes had produced two (i.e. twin) flowers. I was allowed to take several bulbs from each clump. One specimen produces a scape with twin flowers every year or two (so that would be <10% probability). The other one has never done it again. I have another snowdrop that randomly but infrequently produces albino flowers. If one looks for unusual snowdrops one has to be reconciled to the fact that not all of them will fulfil their initial promise.
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If one looks for unusual snowdrops one has to be reconciled to the fact that not all of them will fulfill their initial promise.
And, it seems to me, if one buys unusual snowdrops one must reconcile oneself to the fact that many will be unstable and either not produce the same effect each year, or else will take some years to "settle down" - makes you wonder why we bother, doesn't it?!!
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And, it seems to me, if one buys unusual snowdrops one must reconcile oneself to the fact that many will be unstable and either not produce the same effect each year, or else will take some years to "settle down" - makes you wonder why we bother, doesn't it?!!
Does rather depend on who you buy them from! Some suppliers seem more prone than others.
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Galanthus nivalis 'Fairy Tail
s and an unnamed nivalis form.
EDIT: please note this Galanthus nivalis white poculiform 'Fairy Tail' was formally described by Krzysztof Ciesielski in International Rock Gardener e-magazine 88 -http://www.srgc.org.uk/.../2017Apr271493318724IRG88.pdf
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'Fairy Tail' - what a sweet name!
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'Fairy Tails' - what a sweet name!
It really is, very poetic. This Galanthus was found and named by Chris Ciesielski (Cephalotus on this forum).
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Chris has a lot of poetry in his soul!
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A 4x4 Galanthus woronowii in my lawn. I've not seen any of this colony produce flowers like this in past years so I assume it will be a temporary aberration.
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A small wood full of nivalis. Not quite at its best now but still lovely to walk through.
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A small wood full of nivalis....
Have a look and see if you can see seedlings. Some nivalis populations in the UK are sterile, or nearly so. Over time they can still build-up to form large swathes but apart from the odd random mutation they are all the same. In sterile populations the visual effect is still good but the chances of finding something new and unusual are vastly diminished.
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It's definitely a seeding population with plenty of seedlings a lot of variations in the colour and pattern of markins.
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Then I'm sure if you look long and hard enough you will find interesting ones. Green tips on the outer petals are quite frequent rarities, as are ones like 'Magnet' with long pedicels. You might find poculiforms where the inners look like outers and snowdrops that are inversely poculiform where the outers look like inners. You might find some where parts of the flower are yellow rather than green and there are other exotic forms possible.
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We are about 4 weeks later in the Taunus hills:
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Photo made today, sort unknown.
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Galanthus nivalis 'Fairy Tails' and an unnamed nivalis form.
the poculiformis doesn't have any official name yet, but of course I would like to do it. I just have to mention that it's 'Fairy Tail' without "s". Small letter, small mistake. ;-) Please, note that the name is not a mistake and it's not 'Fairy Tale'. It is "a tail of a fairy". :) It's multiplying very well and it's already growing in more than three gardens, remaining the same - beautiful.
EDIT: please note this Galanthus nivalis white poculiform 'Fairy Tail' was formally described by Krzysztof Ciesielski in International Rock Gardener e-magazine 88 - http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Apr271493318724IRG88.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Apr271493318724IRG88.pdf)
I have some new findings from this year and I really hope that at least one of them is something that world have not seen yet. :) I had a great company for the first time - my other half. ;-) Here we go:
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If you look closer, it has hook-shaped outer petals, while the inners look like they have been eaten by something, but they were not. They were just deformed in such way. As you see there were a whole clump of it, so this weird feature is stable. The same time it is a bit variable, since not every specimen has outer petals hook-shaped.
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I haven't seen a variagated form of Galanthus. I saw yellow-leaved "semi-albino" forms or how they are properly called, but never something like that. It was not made due to something laying on this clump, because it was in the middle of the forest and there was no trace of anything giving any problems for this plant to grow. I noticed that there were three plants in the clump and even a single-leaved individual, all had that specific marking on the leaves. It looks just amazing in contrast with regular snowdrops.
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I already saw someone had found such form without inner petals. If I am not mistaken it was from Ukraine. It also had a name with "prank" in it, but can't find it now. This plant also doesn't have any trace of inner petals. There were two plants, although only one flowering. It was amazing to see something like that for my own eyes.
That three forms generally make it all for seven hours of wandering in one forest. Tomorrow is another day and another adventure. :)
edit: sorry, these photos no longer available from outside host.
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'Nobody's Prank' is an elwesii without any inner petals. It came from the village of Kencot in Oxfordshire. Several other snowdrops of the same type have been found recently. Perhaps after peoples' minds became open to the possibility of this type of snowdrop, they started to see them?
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'Nobody's Prank' is an elwesii without any inner petals. It came from the village of Kencot in Oxfordshire. Several other snowdrops of the same type have been found recently. Perhaps after peoples' minds became open to the possibility of this type of snowdrop, they started to see them?
Possibly...Hagen has a named form (Dreisporn) like that too: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5090.msg143241#msg143241 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5090.msg143241#msg143241) and http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11549.msg312573#msg312573 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11549.msg312573#msg312573)
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Possibly...Hagen has a named form (Dreisporn) like that too ...
and a second one as well, I think, Wim. I don't like to boast but I even have one myself with very diminished outer petals, no longer than the anthers; I hope I can hang on to it.
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Our season is long here ...
you can see another of the Schorbuser Lichter (lights).
The color turns from green to yellow orange ...
no name
still in trial
I am liking them more and more Hagen thanks for sharing them with us.
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I haven't seen a variagated form of Galanthus. I saw yellow-leaved "semi-albino" forms or how they are properly called, but never something like that. It was not made due to something laying on this clump, because it was in the middle of the forest and there was no trace of anything giving any problems for this plant to grow. I noticed that there were three plants in the clump and even a single-leaved individual, all had that specific marking on the leaves.
Chris, Quite interesting color variation pattern on these leaves you have shown. Just yesterday, a gentleman from British Columbia Canada posted a photo of a recent find of his with very similar markings as these. I will ask him permission to use his photo here to show you.
Fun to see this one and I hope it is not some pathogen.
Best,
Rick
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Chris,
Cal Mateer of BC, Canada is fine with me sharing his photo of a rather similar find. To Alan's point on another snowdrop, 'Nobody's Prank', these finds seem to come in waves. And in looking at some of our plant explorers findings over the past couple of years, these new forms and features seem to cross species boundaries quite often. Interesting question Alan, is it a heightened awareness of new features or something else at play? I find it odd the quantity of virescent or semi virescent varieties that have been discovered in the recent few years. Twenty years ago there were only a few good examples of them. Same point could be made of poculiforms and more recently inverse poculiforms. We could add yellows to the mix. Interesting to noodle this one.
Do you think Cal's find is an elwesii? That is what he most typically finds, though this one seems to have some plicatus hints in the leaves. Curious about the species of the one you have found, Chris?
Fun stuff.
Rick
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Some drops still looking good in my garden. G. elwesii 'Chicken Wire' , G. nivalis 'Prague Spring', G. nivalis 'Hedgehog ' and G. 'Starling'
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Some more from yesterday G. elwesii 'Mandarin ' , 'The Wizard', 'Funny Justine' , 'yashmack' and ' Valentine's Day ' with fosteri in the back ground .
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G. elwesii 'Mandarin ' has a rather nice shape.
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Findling no.1
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Findling no.3 thought I'd left this one in Dorset when I moved , found it hiding yesterday
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Findling no.2 , my cousin has named it 'Freve'
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And then there is this freaky thing , first spotted in 2015, happen across it again on Friday, it might get a name and up in Matts new book
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Still as much happening with you as there is "up here", Emma!
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The majority are almost over . But things are still to come too
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Findling no.2 , my cousin has named it 'Freve'
This one has a very special mark, which I like ! Hope You´ll propagate that one.
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Thank you Alan for the name 'Nobody's Prank' I couldn't remind it. Thank you Wim for the name 'Dreisporn'. I don't know how to set my eyes on finding something in particular like a poculiformis or a form without inner petals. I just wander around and look at as many plants as I can and analyse them. For the first time I had glasses, which I needed for quite some time. I felt like I could see everything. I really could see minor details from a large distance that in previous years I could see from at most two meters. That is why I could find more and I really did.
Chris, Quite interesting color variation pattern on these leaves you have shown. Just yesterday, a gentleman from British Columbia Canada posted a photo of a recent find of his with very similar markings as these. I will ask him permission to use his photo here to show you.
Fun to see this one and I hope it is not some pathogen.
Rick,
thank you for the amazing photo of Mr. Cal Mateer's finding, it really is similar to mine. what I found is G. nivalis, all my findings are that species. We don't have any other in Poland. You also wrote my worry... I also hope it has no virus or something, which causes that interesting marking. Could it have a virus and stick with other plants and not infect it? :/ Is there even a way to check that without looking at the genes?
Here are a few more findings from yesterday:
4. On Saturday I ended with finding the one without inner petals, than I started with the same form in totally different population. There were at least four more of it in small distance so it seemed like it started forming a subpopulation. They were all around a step or two away from each other, so I doubt that all were just growing deformations. The second unopened flower I opened by force to check it and it also had only three outer petals.
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5. Weird and interesting. :)
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6. That one had very pale marking, I liked it, so I took a photo.
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7. The only complete poculiformis I was able to find this year... in compare to past years, this was a rare finding.
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8. A monster type, that had only one outer petal. I wonder if it cold progress in its feature and loose the petal at some point? Is there a G. nivalis with only inner petals?
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9. For me that was one of the most rare findings in those populations. I rarely saw any progress of the inner marking in those populations. It is easier to find barely any or very pale marking rather than green marking leaking up to the half of the inner petals. I loved that form for a long time and it was so amazing to see it in reality. It really stood out.
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10. This clump had entirely green leaves. I saw plants with more or less green leaves, but that one was really entirely green and in a clump.
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11. That was the last and a curious finding. It had the upper part of the flower stalk yellow. There was also another individual nearby with less yellow colour. I wonder if there is such form in cultivation, I guess there is. It really stands out.
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I had a lot of fun wandering between the masses of snowdrops with glasses on (my new superpowers) and another person as a company. Again, it was very relaxing to wander in snowdrops forest. :) Finding something specific just made it more like an adventure.
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We have already discussed snowdrops with no inner petals. Snowdrops with "only inner petals" (i.e. just three petals in total) are unknown (to me) in cultivation. A lot of snowdrops lose their outer petals when going over so this type would be very hard to spot. Nivalis with bright green leaves are quite easy to find in some areas; you need to look for bright green leaves and some other feature of interest. Don't bother with bright green leaves and green tips to the outer petals; that one's been done.
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This one has a very special mark, which I like ! Hope You´ll propagate that one.
Freve has been doing well in the gardens and it is now bulking up so fingers crossed .
With a mature bulb and some sun it is a lovely drop.
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And then there is this freaky thing , first spotted in 2015, happen across it again on Friday, it might get a name and up in Matts new book
Well, I always said I wasn't into spikies, but 'The Alburgh Claw' has converted me and I'd happily give yours a home too Emma. Thanks for showing us.
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We have already discussed snowdrops with no inner petals. Snowdrops with "only inner petals" (i.e. just three petals in total) are unknown (to me) in cultivation. A lot of snowdrops lose their outer petals when going over so this type would be very hard to spot. Nivalis with bright green leaves are quite easy to find in some areas; you need to look for bright green leaves and some other feature of interest. Don't bother with bright green leaves and green tips to the outer petals; that one's been done.
I know that there are forms with green leaves in cultivation and a lot of forms with green marking on the outer petals, but searching through any population is just a lot of fun for me. Some have potential to make some types of forms and other are rare and unique. Finding a clump of a form with entirely green leaves is making me smile more than finding a poculiformis either complete or incomplete. Same goes for entirely green marking on the inner petals, which I don't think to be anything special in general, because there are such forms available to buy even now.
I was searching for forms away from my home, while it seems I had something quite nicely looking in my own garden. I have found several viridapice forms in nearby park. Only one had opened flowers, the rest were still long way to open. I took samples of each of them and grew them in my cousins garden - I had no place for new snowdrops at that time. I barely saw them, so I didn't know how some looked like, especially those later flowering ones. One seems to look similar to a spring snowflake. Is it something interesting? It does look interesting to me.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/Sour%20Ron_zpsl0sbfpad.jpg)
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...One seems to look similar to a spring snowflake. Is it something interesting? It does look interesting to me.
It looks both interesting and attractive to me. I would happily grow it in my garden.
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I know that there are forms with green leaves in cultivation and a lot of forms with green marking on the outer petals, but searching through any population is just a lot of fun for me. Some have potential to make some types of forms and other are rare and unique. Finding a clump of a form with entirely green leaves is making me smile more than finding a poculiformis either complete or incomplete.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/Sour%20Ron_zpsl0sbfpad.jpg)
In my garden, I prefer snowdrops with green leaves, even if the flowers are not special. After flowering, the green leaves simply blend better in the fresh springgrowth of perennials and shrubs than the greyish or glaucous ones do. Therefore, I´m always glad to discover new clones or may acquire them.
Alas, Chris Ireland-Jones recently told me, that green-leaved varieties are not popular with customers and because of that not attractive to propagate.
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In my garden, I prefer snowdrops with green leaves, even if the flowers are not special. After flowering, the green leaves simply blend better in the fresh springgrowth of perennials and shrubs than the greyish or glaucous ones do. Therefore, I´m always glad to discover new clones or may acquire them.
Alas, Chris Ireland-Jones recently told me, that green-leaved varieties are not popular with customers and because of that not attractive to propagate.
That is why I hope to officially name one green leaved form that is not that common in its flowers, because it has shaded marking on the inner petals. I want it to be named 'Trust' since the colour of trust is green-yellow. It already grew in three different gardens and remained stable in its shaded marking and green leaves.
That is my plant:
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It divides slowly, but regularly, and seems to be quite tolerant.
The one with green markings on the outer petals has regular, gray leaves.
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If you grow many snowdrops then I think a clump of the green-leaved ones can really stand out by contrast with the more regular glaucous colour. But a single pair of green leaves does not give the same effect so as snowdrops are usually sold as single bulbs I can understand why this feature is overlooked. The trick, which you can pass-on to Chris Ireland-Jones, is to sell a pot of several bulbs. This seemed to work for me when I sold a few pots of 'Green Light' at the HPS sale.
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Green-leaved varieties can really catch the eye but like Alan says, you need a clump...
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A group of one eyed snowdrops and each bulb has two stems. Is this something new?
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Green-leaved varieties can really catch the eye but like Alan says, you need a clump...
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Totally agree
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To be honest, no matter how much fun it may be to admire a 'drop in a pot or even in the ground - I feel they are definitely prettier when growing well in clumps in the garden. Not clumps that are too congested, mind!
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Question for you 'drop fiends - who knows the story of Galanthus plicatus 'Eric Watson' ?
Is it the same as Galanthus ECW93 ?
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This morning's patrol was the last hurrah of the green machine!
Another from Andy Byfield provisionally called Goatee Green Tip, which I have been garden trialling for a couple of years.
Andy describes it as: '"The variety is a hybrid, probably of byzatinus x nivalis, and came from the colony where the likes of Fanny & Northern Lights came from"
The flowers are a mix of a super green with a clean brilliant white. It is bulking well and I now have a number of offsets.
Nova Gorica 15 from Joze Bavcon in Slovenia. I am not usually a fan of the odder drops but this is a belter. Very strange outers which are highly attractive.
Rushmere Green an acquisition from Judy's Snowdrops. Quite slow, it did not flower in the first two years but has bulked enormously instead. Very nice virescent.
Hugh Mackenzie another great looking green.
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Goatee Green Tip would suit it well as a name.
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Ingrid, you are showing even more terrific looking drops....way to go.
How many of you have heard of Daphne's Maximus? Well, here it is and it is quite a large plant and attractive bloom form I think. I have assumed that it could be a find of Daphne Chappell's, but am curious if anyone knows the history?
Cheers!
Rick
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Interesting snowdrops again. :)
Cephalotus, your no 9 is my favourite. :)
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Another oddity
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Question for you 'drop fiends - who knows the story of Galanthus plicatus 'Eric Watson' ?
Is it the same as Galanthus ECW93 ?
I bought this drop from Ron McBeath many years ago. It was labelled Ex EGW but no number. Does the number refer to the year that it was selected. Maybe Ron can cast more light on this.
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I'm stricken with doubt now as to whether Eric was E. C. Watson or E.G. Watson! It's E.G. W, I believe - so an error in remembering the ECW may be at play here too.
Will suggest Ron as possible lead. Thanks Alan!
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Galanthus nivalis 'Fairy Tail'
Galanthus 'White Gem'
And Galanthus nivalis 'Elfin' in distinguished company. (Now I've done it, I've added some real colour to this thread) ;) ;D
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Some unnamed forms:
P1
P8
P11 (2 x)
and P17
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And
P15 (2 x)
P20
and P21 (2 x)
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Really nice poculiforms :), and I like P1 also. :)
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Really nice poculiforms :), and I like P1 also. :)
:)
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And Galanthus nivalis 'Elfin' in distinguished company. (Now I've done it, I've added some real colour to this thread) ;) ;D
Wondered what the noise was - then realised it was the sound of fainting 'drop fiends when they saw the Hepatica, Wim. They're a nervous bunch, you know!
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Wondered what the noise was - then realised it was the sound of fainting 'drop fiends when they saw the Hepatica, Wim. They're a nervous bunch, you know!
I know, that's why I hid it in between just plain white things, to calm down their nerves from too much colour.
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Found last year some nivalis without inners too. The spotted one is the best I think.
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Some green finds of last year.
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Gert, these are stunners. Are they all nivalis? Are they this year's photos? I really like the look of the one in the photo, _2173312.jpg.
Fabulous finds. Rick
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Spotted this curious looking thing today doing exactly the same thing as the double one I posted on here about a week ago. This was found in a different garden and is single. There was 4 bulbs and 3 of them were flowering and all doing the same thing.
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Shauney,
I found a small clump of G.elwesii doing that, but with two ranks of 'petals' on the peduncle.
The bulbs have thrived and flowered every year since but I haven't seen that aberration again on them, or anywhere else until your post.
IF it is a stable character it will be an exciting new breeding line!
Chad.
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Hi Chad,
Do you have a pic of yours? The double one I found the other week was a nivalis as that's all that is growing in that area. This one has plicatus and elwesii in the garden but is more likely to be a cross between nivalis and plicatus because of the green mark. It is short at no more than 5 inches.
Shaun.
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Hi Chad,
Do you have a pic of yours?
Shaun.
Sorry, it was a few year ago and I hadn't started taking pictures then.
As I recall they had a normal single flower and ovary, and then two single 'petals' about 1cm apart that were on the outside of the curve of the pedicle. I don't remember a true spathe [but memory is an unreliable tool!].
Chad
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Spotted this curious looking thing today...
Getting close to becoming the snowdrop version of a hose-in-hose primula.
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Some of the pocs flowering in my garden.
Usually this one has vertical stripes on its inners.
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This one has green tips.
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And this one has green tips and long ears.
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This one has green tips.
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Amazing! This is one of my most favourite forms. It simply looks magically.
Today I had some new findings, some I would never expect to find.
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3. This one has its peduncle so thick, that the flowers can't hang normally, but are faced horizontally.
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4. My very first pterugiform and some more below.
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6.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4686_zpsiwsbnhdb.jpg)
7. It was a young flower, not ending its flowering, because I had to open one of those flowers.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4723_zpsqcvfgzfl.jpg)
8. A monster form
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4729_zpsizpqt8mh.jpg)
9. A nicely green marked form. :) Nice to look at.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4732_zps88ac2rzo.jpg)
10.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4793_zpsgdbzxhg4.jpg)
11. A white form
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4821_zps2gucfdyj.jpg)
12. No comment...
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4856_zpsgd8sq4mg.jpg)
13. One with upstanding flowers.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4883_zpsqomf3je8.jpg)
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It's very close to a hose in hose prim Alan. And also has a nice mark aswell. Hopefully it sets seed and keeps this characteristic so I can work to achieving it.
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Some superb finds there, Chris. I particularly like 1 & 10 but they are all good. I wonder if 1 will be stable? Funny how you had not found the inversely poculiform type before and then you found lots of them.
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No 8 looks like an example of fasciation.. a new word to me when MattT used it to describe my Glenorma earlier this year.
Tim DH
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No.8 looks like a bunch of white bananas to me.
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Mariette, how very beautiful poculiforms, the middle one is my favourite, but all are special. :)
Chris, you must be so happy to find all those different forms, congratulations!
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Some late ones: Galanthus plicatus 'Baxendale's Late, and Galanthus plicatus 'Warham Rectory'.
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Some superb finds there, Chris. I particularly like 1 & 10 but they are all good. I wonder if 1 will be stable? Funny how you had not found the inversely poculiform type before and then you found lots of them.
Alan, I would love the number 1 to be stable, since it is really amazing looking one. 10. is also one of my favourites. The thing is, that I went to totally new population, around 120 km distant from the ones I searched through before. Those from before are from 1-30 km away from each other. All nearby the same river so they are basically one huge population spread in area. They are different a bit, but generally they have a potential to create the same mutations like poculiformis. No matter what population I visited, at some point I found one or more complete and/or incomplete poculiformis. The population I visited yesterday was different and had nothing in common with the previous ones so the types of mutations were different too. I found there a whole subpopulation of pterugiform, I stopped counting at 30 clumps, but there were definitely more than 50 or even 60 individual forms. I didn't photograph all, it would be crazy to do so. I searched the through in hope of finding a complete green one, but I failed with that. In addition I searched around... 1/10th of the forest so I would need to spend there at least two whole weeks to walk around it whole. There is definitely more to find. Again as in previous forest each population had areas which are more potent to created mutations than others. It is important to notice that and search those areas though better.
No.8 looks like a bunch of white bananas to me.
I got inspired with how you called the flower looks like. :D It really does resemble a bunch of white bananas. :D
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1.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4556_zpszzu31jvh.jpg)
5.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4682_zpsk668brw2.jpg)
8. A monster form
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4729_zpsizpqt8mh.jpg)
13. One with upstanding flowers.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_4883_zpsqomf3je8.jpg)
Chris,
Your 1, 5, 8, and 13 are all very intriguing to my eye and the rest are quite nice as well. Congratulations on a very productive day!
Congratulations!
Rick
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A friend gave me a pot of these Snowdrops today - not sure what they are - any idea anyone????
Thanks in anticipation.
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Susan, those leaves look a bit mangled but the only widely-available snowdrop with broad and bright green leaves is Galanthus woronowii. The mark on the inner petals is broadly correct for that species so I think that is what it must be.
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Alan
A little while back you were querying the distinctiveness of G.Ronald Franks. Its really quite late; my clump is only just flowering. It also has an attractive greyish-blue leaf. A single bloom is very samey, but a group has an attractiveness - and of course when so much is going over....
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Thanks Alan - I have woronowii in the garden although they are much smaller in stature. The bulbs on these ones are very large so I thought they were vastly different. Many thanks - much appreciated. Cheers.
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If anyone hasn't had enough of snowdrops yet this year, we (Avon Bulbs) have been doing a stock take this week, and will be putting some reduced price snowdrops on the website in the next couple of days - 30% off. Will be UK and EU only, sorry others :) ;) :)
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If anyone hasn't had enough of snowdrops yet this year, we (Avon Bulbs) have been doing a stock take this week, and will be putting some reduced price snowdrops on the website in the next couple of days - 30% off. Will be UK and EU only, sorry others :) ;) :)
Aha! Reduced = SALE = a word that is much favoured by most members, I think!!
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Sale now on at Avon Bulbs : https://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/spring-planted-bulbs-and-snowdrops/galanthus-snowdrops (https://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/spring-planted-bulbs-and-snowdrops/galanthus-snowdrops) - offer is 30% discount using the special code at checkout. :)
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Thanks Alan - I have woronowii in the garden although they are much smaller in stature. The bulbs on these ones are very large so I thought they were vastly different. Many thanks - much appreciated. Cheers.
There are other snowdrop species with bright green leaves. Some of these lack a notch on the inner petals so can be eliminated as yours have this feature. So we are left with woronowii or ikariae or a rare form of another species that normally has glaucous leaves. Woronowii comes in a range of sizes, from the tiny little ones you find in garden centres up to those of a decent size. Go to the Botanic Garden in Batumi, Georgia and it more-or-less grows as a weed there, it is present in such large quantities over large areas of their large garden.
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Sorry, I haven't visited in a while but my snowdrop business has been extremely busy. I thought you would all like to see this photo of the amazing 'Midas' sent to me by my friend Alan Street. I think it is the most beautiful snowdrop I have ever seen.
For background, it was discovered as a seedling at Avon Bulbs in 2011. It is a x valentinei, a nivalis/plicatus cross, with a pale green ovary, a pale yellow pedicel, and of course the very rare yellow marks on the outers. It may be a cross between 'Blonde Inge' and 'Trym'. Alan says a very limited quantity will be available as a dormant bulb in August with the price to be determined.
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I was speechless for quite some time. The plant is simply outstanding! I must try to create something like that myself. That photo just made me to want to create some crossings between forms I already have. The shown example is... wow. :)
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.... I thought you would all like to see this photo of the amazing 'Midas' sent to me by my friend Alan Street.
it's very lovely - but do you mean he sent you the bulbs or just the photograph?
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I was speechless for quite some time. The plant is simply outstanding! I must try to create something like that myself. That photo just made me to want to create some crossings between forms I already have. The shown example is... wow. :)
I had the same reaction, Chris. I called my non-galanthophile husband over and said you have to see this....even he was impressed!
No, Alan, all I have is the photo but that's enough for now.
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After much effort trying to send this picture from my phone to my computer.......yes I know its easy (ha ha)
Here is Boyds Double,hopefully the correct way up
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(edit by maggi - it is now!!) Thank you
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Help - what's gone wrong?
I have noticed in the past week or so some of my Snowdrop bulbs are looking poorly.
They are in terracotta pots - I have unearthed them and they looks as if they are rotting - soft and brown - The Wizard and M. Brown are the most affected.
What am I doing wrong.
Any advice please.
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With a bit of luck they've "only" been a bit too wet and will recover. It may be the rot is coming from the inside out, though, when there could be all sorts of yucky reasons - narcissus fly larvae, swift moth larvae ...... try chopping a bulb in half to see if the problem is inside.
Either way, removal of damaged material and careful attention to the remains of the bulbs should mean not all is lost. If you end up having to chop the bulbs in bits and treat as though you had deliberately been going to chip them to increase numbers ( you can read about that elsewhere in the forum, of course) then you should be able to recove something.
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Thank you so much. Will chop them tomorrow - raining heavy (as usual) at the moment.
Have just purchased a raised bed so will decant my other Galanthus into this.
Is this the best way to grow them or should I keep some in pots?
I appreciated you help as I am fairly new to this!!
Cheers
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I keep many snowdrops in 3 litre plastic pots and have done so for years. I use large pots to reduce the likelihood of freezing in the winter or drying-out in the summer. In mild, dry East Anglia this regime works perfectly well.
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This one, I just noticed while all are fading. I have not planted it, it seems that it is a seedling of Galanthus nivalis.
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Hi Alan - what type of soil/ compost do you use in your potted Snowdrops?
I would like to keep some in pots so may well try plastic ones to see if it makes any difference instead of the terracotta ones.
I am very restricted for room so I have to keep them on shelving.
Any advice would be gratefully accepted. Thank you.
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I have not been here for a long time, sorry :-\
In my Berlin garden, there are some nice snowdrops in flower ;)
G. Grüner Splitter
G. Kildare
Fieldgate Forte
Caryl Baron
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Nice to see them, Irm - and the little bee in the Fieldgate Forte!
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Hi Alan - what type of soil/ compost do you use in your potted Snowdrops?
I typically use 7 handfuls of John Innes No.3 to 3 handfuls of sand. But it is very dry here; you might need something more free-draining in wetter areas.
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Thanks Alan - much appreciated - learning as I go along!!
Cheers
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Snowdrop season is starting in my garden. :) I know a friend whose garden is in the city where there was less snow, and she has more snowdrops flowering already than in my garden.
First picture is 'Lerinda', and funnily also the ones just coming up in the right are 'Lerinda', I don't know why they are not all coming up the same time.
Second picture is 'Green Light', earlier here than many others.
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This is a Galanthus species (probably near to G. reginae-olgaea ssp. nivalis)
from the Čakor Pass/Montenegro - it is a late flowering and strong growing snowdrop
Gerd
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I know this is a long shot but does anyone recognise this Snowdrop.
They were given to my friend several years ago - sourced from Dunino Church - located between Crail and St. Andrews in Fife.
She has given me half a dozen - the flowers have now finished - very early this year - the photo was originally taken on May 2015.
I can photograph the bulb and leaves if this helps!!!!!
Thank you.
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In case you missed this, snowdroppy folks.... http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15258.msg374018#msg374018 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15258.msg374018#msg374018)
Hi, appols if this is already on the forum, have searched and drew a blank.
Is there a guide (simple!) to growing 'drops from seed please?
Looking for something that covers collecting the seed through to a flower!
Thanks, Mark
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.... the photo was originally taken on May 2015.
A May-flowering snowdrop?!? I did not think that was possible, even in Scotland.
I find it very hard to make out which bit of petal belongs where so any more photos would help. Photos of the leaves always help.
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Thanks Alan - weather fowl today - rain and high winds. Will venture out tomorrow and bring in a bulb to photograph (although snow is threatened)!!!!
The photo was taken on 3rd May 2015 in Crail (must be sheltered there).
Many thanks.
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Braved the wind and rain and excavated the "mystery" bulbs.
Can you have a stab at guessing what they are Alan?
Any help would be great.
Thank you.
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Hello to all,
this is the last set of finds for this year. I hope that at least some of them will find their fans.
1. a nicely outside curved petals.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5073_zpsgrpmotjv.jpg)
2. an inverse poculiformis that had outer petals almost exactly the same length as the inner ones.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5082_zpswxgmzfri.jpg)
3. a hole clump of a complete poculiformis. It would definitely look nicer when opened.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5089_zpsav2y3xdf.jpg)
4. a form with squeezed petal’s tips. One of the plants was unopened, since the petals couldn’t open on their own, so much they were holding one to another.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5100_zpsfwazexjw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5104_zpsx5fzblqx.jpg)
5. nicely leaked anthers cells to inner petals. Does four plants make this form stable?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5106_zpscewlhcfw.jpg)
6. a complete yellow form
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5136_zpshepkrfub.jpg)
6a. and another one
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5229_zpso6yede7b.jpg)
7. just some one-time mutants, with two flowers and a three flowers on a stalk. I wish such forms were stable, since they really look cool.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5160_zpsdmeknr0e.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5303_zpsnnyuxnk5.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5166_zpsa8luwlmy.jpg)
9. only three outer petals.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5162_zpsjm8ocwkw.jpg)
10. green inner petals and subtle marking on the outers, a rare form in this area.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5174_zps0gowypai.jpg)
11. an entirely white inner petals, plus delicate yellow lines on the leaves.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5201_zps3t2tkpne.jpg)
12. as I got to know a chimera. I wonder if it might propagate and somehow produce any offspring that will also be a chimera, and not only a yellow (chlorophyll free) and regular green forms…
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5203_zpsl17ofqto.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5211_zpskbdj12ep.jpg)
14. all the petals were strongly curved to the inside making it look like excavator grasper.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5267_zpsbao4nhp4.jpg)
15. that form had outer petals curved to the outside and made it look different in compare to surrounding regular forms
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5284_zpsi2n7o9hy.jpg)
16. a form with very elongated ovary, in addition a large form in general. Really caught my eye.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5307_zpsokzgjyp7.jpg)
17. a chimera?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5314_zpsprubcnch.jpg)
18. a really specific form, hard to describe, since it does what it wants. It can have markings on the outer petals or not. Most of the inner ones have yellowish marks of the anthers. I would even risk stating, that each year same individual could look differently and one year have marking and in two years do not have any. That is what I think that weird form could do. Whatever it is, somehow it is hereditary, since calling it stable would be a misunderstanding.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Galanthus%202015/IMG_5319_zpsweo4eh5g.jpg)
That would be all for this years snowdrops hunting. It was a great fun, being able to wander around millions of those charming plants and from time to time finding something breathtaking. I can’t wait for next year. I would gladly visit some new large population, but I would have to find it first…
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Surprising variations again, Chris! The chimera looks fascinating, but I like especially nr. 15! Most of the pictured snowdrops appear to have green leaves, is that actually the case?
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Chris,
Your finds are a treat to see. What a terrific set of Snowdrops to come across. Your squeezed tips of the outer segments are really spectacular. The two yellows are very nice and on and on! Congratulations!
Rick
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Here are a couple blooming in my garden today in SE Massachusetts, U.S. Our drop season is still going, and may last through the first week or two in April. This is G. 'Bloomer' and a new garden favorite, G. 'The Whopper'.
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...and a new garden favorite
Should that be today's garden favourite? ;D
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....For sure, a daily favorite. But, isn't that the way of we Snowdroppers? ha ha
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Here many snowdrops are very late this year, I had already thought that I have lost many, but no, they are only coming up late. First yellow snowdrops just showed their noses yesterday (and some are still missing, but I'm sure they will come).
Most of the garden still looks like in the first picture, but in my earliest bed snowdrops are already looking good. :)
Small one is 'Lady Elphinstone' and bigger 'Lerinda', both are doing well here.
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Here many snowdrops are very late this year, I had already thought that I have lost many, but no, they are only coming up late. First yellow snowdrops just showed their noses yesterday (and some are still missing, but I'm sure they will come).
Most of the garden still looks like in the first picture, but in my earliest bed snowdrops are already looking good. :)
Small one is 'Lady Elphinstone' and bigger 'Lerinda', both are doing well here.
Perhaps the longer we wait for spring to come, the better we appreciate it Leena!
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Braved the wind and rain and excavated the "mystery" bulbs.
Can you have a stab at guessing what they are Alan?
Sorry I have been slow to respond. The only snowdrop I know with long bright green and relatively narrow leaves like that is the species Galanthus woronowii. There are relatively few named cultivars of Galanthus woronowii although there is a famous Scottish one - which sadly yours is not, SusanH. A better picture of the flower (next year) should clinch this identification.
By the by, I was lifting and dividing a clump of woronowii today and they look very like the ones in your picture.
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Leena,
What a delight to see the little stalwarts just ready to shine at the first opportunity....nice patch of 'Lady Elphinstone' developing for you!
Rick
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Rick, thank you. :) I planted two bulbs of 'Lady Elphinstone' in 2013, and they have started to multiply nicely, also their inners are yellow.
Perhaps the longer we wait for spring to come, the better we appreciate it Leena!
Yes! I love spring, and go around looking for snowdrops and other plants several times a day, and it is such a joy to see something peaking from the ground and having survived the winter (both plants and me :))
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These are 'Jaquenetta' (right side) and 'Cordelia' (left), planted too close to each other.
If I didn't know they have flowered with normal green markings earlier, I would have been very happy to grow a new yellow snowdrop ::), but the yellow is due to cold, I think.
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Hi Alan - thank you for your reply. Will wait and see what develops next year.
I really appreciate that you have taken the time to respond. I am new to this Snowdrop malarky and need to be kept on the straight and narrow!!!! Cheers.
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These are 'Jaquenetta' (right side) and 'Cordelia' (left), planted too close to each other.
If I didn't know they have flowered with normal green markings earlier, I would have been very happy to grow a new yellow snowdrop ::), but the yellow is due to cold, I think.
Possibly not cold, but late and quick arrival. Normally, they´ll become green later during flowering time. Mine are sometimes displaced deeper in the ground by mice, and then they come up as "yellows" initially, too.
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I have had also snowdrops coming up yellow if there had been too much mulch on top of them.
'Jaquenetta' and 'Cordelia' have been very similar for me, only this year some markings in 'Cordelia' are as they should be. Also 'Jaquenetta' comes up always a bit earlier than 'Cordelia' and J becomes taller when the flowering advances.
'Cordelia' came up this year only a couple of days behind J, both are now the among the earliest snowdrops this year, because they grow in the warmest spot. About half of my snowdrops are still just peaking from the ground and many don't show yet. This has been a very cold winter for them, so we'll see later if I have lost any.