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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Steve Garvie on February 12, 2017, 04:45:02 PM
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Fritillaria ariana ex Turkmenistan
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Fritillaria ariana ex Afghanistan
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Fritillaria karelinii pale-flowered form
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Fritillaria karelinii ex Uzbekistan
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My congratulations. As always fantastic shots of you. I love the sharpness and accurate details of your pictures. You have a very great talent for the art of photography. Enviable.
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Yes, stunning pictures of these very beautiful plants!
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These photos just make you want to grow these plants! Wonderful, as ever.
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Fritillaria pudica
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Fritillaria stenanthera
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I need the drooling emoji to express my feelings when viewing Steve's fabulous photos. Simply stunning
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Fritillaria tuntasia or more correctly, according to Fritillaria group Fritillaria obliqua ssp tuntasia. Seed came from Rannveig Wallis in 2012 and I can't tell from web pictures whether it is this ssp. First time flowering and for a change I have a nice potful and not my usual lonely survivor.
Erle from rather damp Anglesey ( so much for our dry winter)
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I think it is Frit. obliqua, as the leaves of Frit. tuntasia are more twisted. See my picture from the last two years.
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Frit. obliqua, for the reason Stefan said - but - who is to say there may not be a continuum between the two?!
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I haven't observed a continuum between them in the wild, Meggie.
Frit obliqua flowers in Evia and Attiki on calcerous soil whereas the two islands Kithnos and Serifos where Frit. tuntasia growes are free of limestone.
I think they are separating from each other because of isolation. But I don't know what's the trigger for the different leave forms.
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Thank you, Stefan. There can be so much variability in some species that unless one knows their wild habits it can be hard to decide how close they might be.
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Have a look where F. obliqua grows on Evia, mainly on the top of the hills in the rocky areas. After we discovered it by chance in 2011 on the hill from which the first picture was taken we returned in the following year to the hill shown in the picture where we discovered it again.
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Thank you very much for that clarification Stefan
Erle
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With me Fritillaria obliqua always flowers earlier than Fritillaria tuntasia. Like Stefan I find that tuntasia has more compact, twisted, propellor-like leaves which have a more pronounced bloom on their surface. The flowers are however very similar. Does tuntasia come from a drier habitat?
Here is my Fritillaria obliqua in flower and an overview of the plant:
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Here is an image of my Fritillaria tuntasia which should flower in the next 10-14 days. I dampened a leaf section to highlight the "bloom".
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It is the same here, Frit. obliqua flowers first, Frit. tuntasia later. But Frit. obliqua from Evia is clearly later than plants from Attiki.
Frit. tuntasia is widespread on Kithos and flowers nearly everywhere but I don't think the biotopes are drier.
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Fritillaria pinardii Ilgaz form.
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Fritillaria caucasica
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Fritillaria pudica
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Fritillaria reuteri -Unfortunately past its peak and looking a bit rough courtesy of some massive Bumble Bees.
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Fritillaria gibbosa
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My first Fritillaria flowered today and it flowers for the first time. I am very happy about that. I like these small Japanese Fritillaria.
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My first Fritillaria flowered today and it flowers for the first time. I am very happy about that. I like these small Japanese Fritillaria.
Stefan, a handsome and rare species! Do you grow it outside?
Gerd
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Gerd, it is outside close to the house and covered when it is too cold. The only plant with severe frost damage there was Ambrosinia bassii, all other Mediterranean plants are fine.
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My first Fritillaria flowered today and it flowers for the first time. I am very happy about that. I like these small Japanese Fritillaria.
It grows comfortable at your garden, sokol. I think it must be Fritillaria amabilis.
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Fritillaria stenanthera, JJA 503.208. Probably I have to feed them more ::)
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Thanks, the name was wrongly in my mind.
Frit. stenanthera is my second Frit to be in flower today.
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In 201 Ian Young sent me 6 seeds of fritillaria chitralensis. I grminated early and died from severe frost. The other 5 germinated later and survived.
In 2012 I travelled to Kazakhstan and not wanting my seedlings to die asked Ray drew if he would look after them.
At the Early spring show this year he presented me with a pot of 5 plants with two having a single flower.
i wish I had Steve Garvie's ability to take photographs and I apologise for my poor photo of this quite rare Fritillaria.
Hoping that next year there will be more flowers per plant and I will have improved my photography.
In case you are wondering, when dormant, one flowering bulb and another will be going to Ray for his superb growing skills.
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Great frit from which I have never found any source for seeds or bulbs. I am still looking for it.
Your pictures are really fine and everybody should try to improve his technique. If you compare yours with the very best that could be a bit frustrating of course but for nearly everyone.
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In case you are wondering, when dormant, one flowering bulb and another will be going to Ray for his superb growing skills.
Hard to think of a better grower to "lodge" them with, Art!
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Hard to think of a better grower to "lodge" them with, Art!
My thought exactly.
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3 different clones of Fritillaria michailovskyi
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Fritillaria montana
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Fritillaria japonica, white form :)
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A very attractive species, Tatsuo.
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Fritillaria affinis from, according to the seed packet, Ukiah CA. I don't know the source of the seed as the packaging didn't look like any of my regular sources. sown in 2013. It seems rather early for this species as Bulbs of North America says "as early as mid-April to the end of May". v.tristulis apparently flowers earlier but this is obviously not that. The second picture shows flowers in habitat on Trial Island off Victoria BC. This was taken on 26th May 2012. I had seed from here and those plants appeared only three weeks ago. I would be grateful for comment from fritillaria experts.
Erle in Anglesey.
I know we have variable weather but this last week has been ridiculous.
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Your lovely BC frit is another form of F. affinis - it is a very variable species. In your photo the winged ( ridged) seed capsule can be seen.
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Hei,
First Fritillaria this spring is the newcomer Fritillaria karelinii pulkhakim. A very beautiful small bulb which I hope it like it here in rainy Bergen, and will come back year after year :)
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Marit
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Fritillaria affinis from, according to the seed packet, Ukiah CA. I don't know the source of the seed as the packaging didn't look like any of my regular sources. sown in 2013. It seems rather early for this species as Bulbs of North America says "as early as mid-April to the end of May". v.tristulis apparently flowers earlier but this is obviously not that. The second picture shows flowers in habitat on Trial Island off Victoria BC. This was taken on 26th May 2012. I had seed from here and those plants appeared only three weeks ago. I would be grateful for comment from fritillaria experts.
Erle in Anglesey.
I know we have variable weather but this last week has been ridiculous.
Menai,
As Maggi says Fritillaria affinis is quite a variable species. I observed them blooming the other day in Lake County, California (not too far from Ukiah). Both color phases were found blooming together in one patch. They ranged in color from dark brown-purple mottled yellow to pale yellow-green mottled purple. In all cases, the nectary is yellow with purple dots. In British Columbia I am sure that the species might look a little different but still be within the parameters of the species.
In California, Fritillaria affinis is known to hybridize with other Fritillaria species. One example is Fritillaria gentneri. This species may be a stable hybrid between F. affinis x F. recurva. Fritillaria affinis is also known to cross with some other species in California.
For me, anyway, Fritillaria affinis is easy to grow as long as it is kept dry during the summer. In the wild they are generally found growing on north facing slopes, shaded by trees or other shrubs. I keep my plants shaded, but then this is California where it gets hot!
Thank you for sharing the photographs!
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Menai, there are not too many frits in flower yet with us here in Aberdeen - but I've been astonished at the ( to my mind) early flowering that Paddy and Ben Parmee in Hampshire have been showing on Facebook. And those are outside in the garden!
As Robert says - they are beginning in California and so I think yours must just be harking back to life in lovely Canada!
Goodness knows when they'll flower in other years!
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F. meleagris
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An early frit relocated by squirrel.
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This afternoon i decided to visit the last site of Fritillaria meleagris in north of france. bingo after 1h i found several plots.
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Very nice Yann. I've never seen wild ones.
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Very few of these beauties left in the "wild" in England, David.
One of my most favourite fritillaries - seeing them like this in Yann's photos spell perfection to me.
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In England i only know one area in the south of Ipswich but i guess you can find them in others conties.
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Yann, there is information on more than 9 different Uk sites on the Fritillaria Group Website at http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/uk-sites.html (http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/uk-sites.html). At the group's recent meeting at Kew one of the Kew botanists gave a talk about the DNA work they are doing on the genus Fritillaria, and this included a section on how they have used DNA to track the origin of the British examples. It seems that during the last ice age there were several "refuges" where Fritillaria meleagris survived and then moved from those to populate the areas in which we see them today - there seems to have been three main movements from differing refuges, one that resulted in the western European populations (including the UK), the other two resulting in the more central and eastern populations. The ones in the Uk are indistinguishable genetically from the other western European populations. The most easterly populations are more distinct and may be on their way to eventually becoming a separate species.
We hope to be able to make the PowerPoint presentation about all this available on the mentioned website in the not too distant future.
Paul
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F. meleagris grows wild in an old meadow near me. There used to be more sites but these have been drained. Our local Natural History Society once went for a walk in the grounds of a large house nearby. The owner told us his Mother had re-located F. meleagris from an abbey meadow during the war, in case they had been bombed. They were still growing well in their "new" site.
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thanks Paul for the informations. I've seen this species by thousands in the center of my country and they have the same size as shown here. In 2012 i found a population in Slovenia where they were shorter (15cm) and greener, may be subsp...
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Fritillaria shikokiana
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Fritillaria conica
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Fritillaria forbesii
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Fritillaria yuminensis
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Fritillaria ehrhartii
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Great shots Steve.
F. fleischeriana (my collection)
F. uva-vulpis
From our garden today.
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Fritillaria pinetorum - sown January 2011, first bloom now.
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Nice one Ebbbie!
This is a subtly attractive wee Frit.
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Fritillaria pallidiflora
After waiting years for Fritillaria biflora 'Martha Roderick' to flower I have another pot of Frit. acmopetala
Name please for this one?
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Fritillaria affinis. It's always a relief to see it come up and bloom. That means I haven't killed it yet. :)
...Claire
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Name please for this one?
Probably Frit. thessala.
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Thank you, Stefan.
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Fritillaria glauca 'Sunray'
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nice form, you succeed in your sandy soil.
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nice form, you succeed in your sandy soil.
Not outside, no. But in a raised sand-bed which is covered in summer.
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After two weeks in the Mediterranean I took some pictures yesterday what is in bloom now.
Fritillaria bithynica
Fritillaria carica ex Chios
Fritillaria gussichiae
Fritillaria kurdica Talysh
Fritillaria meleagroides
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Now some Frit. messanensis and mutabilis
Fritillaria messanensis ex Stilo
Fritillaria messanensis gracilis ex Konavle
Fritillaria messanensis gracilis ex Lefkada
Fritillaria messanensis neglecta ex Peljesac
Fritillaria mutabilis yellow
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Next are:
Fritillaria olgae 2x
Fritillaria tuntasia 2x
Fritillaria stribrnyi
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they're very nice, messanensis is slender
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I imagine ( hope!) you are all familiar with the wonderful site of Laurence Hill - Fritillaria Icones (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/)
" New Fritillaria images for #RHSChelsea delivered to the framers today, see the whole set in the Great Pavilion in four weeks time" - worth looking out for if visiting Chelsea, methinks.
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News from Fritillaria Icones of an article with open access - Fritillaria ariana in Curtis's Botanical Magazine by Martyn Rix & Kit Strange with illustrations by Joanna Langhorne.
Volume 34, Issue 1
April 2017
Pages 210
Plant Portraits
854. FRITILLARIA ARIANA
Liliaceae
Authors
Martyn Rix,
Kit Strange
First published: April 2017
DOI: 10.1111/curt.12174
Summary
Fritillaria ariana (Loz.-Lozinsk. & Vved.) Rix, is illustrated. The history of its discovery and its cultivation are discussed, and a painting and photograph of the habitat are provided.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.12174/full (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.12174/full)
Some other articles on free access from that issue, too - such as....
855. IRIS STOLONIFERA : Iridaceae (pages 1120)
Martyn Rix and Kit Strange
Version of Record online: 10 MAY 2017 | DOI: 10.1111/curt.12175
856. AETHIONEMA GRANDIFLORUM : Cruciferae (pages 2128)
Sally Petitt
Version of Record online: 10 MAY 2017 | DOI: 10.1111/curt.12176
857. PLATANUS ORIENTALIS : Platanaceae (pages 2940)
Martyn Rix and Michael F. Fay
Version of Record online: 10 MAY 2017 | DOI: 10.1111/curt.12177
858. PAEONIA PARNASSICA : Paeoniaceae (pages 4150)
Dimitris Tzanoudakis and Martyn Rix
Version of Record online: 10 MAY 2017 | DOI: 10.1111/curt.12178
859. GENTIANA PARADOXA : Gentianaceae (pages 5157)
Richard Wilford
Version of Record online: 10 MAY 2017 | DOI: 10.1111/curt.12179
see them here:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.2017.34.issue-1/issuetoc (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.2017.34.issue-1/issuetoc)
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Fritillaria recurva - a bit dusty and with a spider's web.
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Great plant, I like these orange Fritillaria.
Here are some from the last days.
Frit. biflora x liliacea 20170512
Frit. affinis gelb 20170512
Frit. affinis 20170512
Frit. drenovskii 20170501
Frit. lusitanica 20170511
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I imagine ( hope!) you are all familiar with the wonderful site of Laurence Hill - Fritillaria Icones (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/)
" New Fritillaria images for #RHSChelsea delivered to the framers today, see the whole set in the Great Pavilion in four weeks time" - worth looking out for if visiting Chelsea, methinks.
From Fritillaria Icones about this innovative method of picturing the characteristics of the plants :
If you didn't make to the RHSChelsea you can download a PDF of the exhibit Deconstructed Fritillaria - http://www.fritillariaicones.com/ (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/)
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Click on the photos below the text on the linked page.
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Sorry, no pretty pictures - just a comment on repotting. Down here in Somerset I thought I would be early enough to have no live roots on my Chinese Fritillaria (Xinjiang group) but no. Some had 2 to 3cm roots; not very long but enough to be awkard and I did break the odd one. The attached picture shows a Fritillaria walujewii bulb with a number of new roots just starting. So if you have not done them yet and they have gone dormant I would think about doing them!
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I am posting this on because if like me you thought you still had loads of time to rearrange your plunges, think again! I was happily rearranging my plunges (20th Aug 2017) and was very surprised when I went to move one of my Fritillaria chitralensis pots (from Fritillaria Group seed) and found live root a good 3 to 4cm already out of the bottom of the pot! I continued at a more careful pace and also found root out of the bottom of pots with Fritillaria walujewii, eduardii var. inodora and davidii. The Fritillaria davidii has also just started to come into leaf in a number of pots.
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I observed the same as Colin while repotting during the last two weeks. There were much more species with root growth than in other years at this time. It seems to be quite normal for the big Fritillaria like persica, eduardii or sewerzowii and the Eastern species but not for messanensis, mutabilis or montana.
I am looking for Frit. chitralensis for a long time but never have had any seedling here.
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Info re Cytotaxonomical analysis of eleven Turkish Fritillaria L. (Liliaceae) taxa
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/news/news_2017/Kocyigit_et_al_2016.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/news/news_2017/Kocyigit_et_al_2016.html)
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why is Fritillaria uva-vulpis triploid?
Is it hybrid or something?
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The excellent Fritillaria Icones site has ID pix of Fritillaria seed - a useful adjunct to the SRGC's Seed ID pages
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/seeds.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/seeds.html)
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I have given in. Unlike Ian I keep an eye on night time temperatures as to when I do my first watering of my Fritillaria. I like it to be under 10c and going lower; although our night time temperatures are not really dropping yet they are around the 10c level. So I gave the Fritillaria their first watering into the pot today, though I still had a number of pots that despite being dry prior to this, had roots out of the bottom. I now have to keep them just moist enough for growth but not too wet to rot them. I always worry at this time. The picture below is one side of the greenhouse. The other picture shows some of the pots of Fritillaria seeds that I have sown this year in the plant fridge in the garage. They went in today having been out in the open since the beginning of September when they were sown. I do this because down here in the south we do not always get a long enough cold spell to get good germination.
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In Aberdeen we scarcely need to watch a thermometer, Colin! It's been below 10 degrees c here at night for some time!
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Following on from my October post, I have given in regarding watering. Of course the night time temperatures had to decide to go all over the place and not fall steadily. Over the two week period since the 01/10/17 our night time temperatures have been anything from 4c to 14c which is not what I would like. The up side to this is the roots are defiantly on the move. In addition to what I said I had before, I now have another 25 pots with good root growth out of the bottom. When this happens I put a red label in the pot to let me know it has roots growing into the plunge. This tells me not to lift the pot or I will break roots. I like roots growing into the plunge for two reasons. One, you need a good root system to have a chance for a bigger and better bulb at the end of the growing season. Secondly, as I keep the sand plunge just damp I can keep the pot on the dryer side if I want (I use plastic pots) and not worry about triggering early dormancy in spring through lack of water or the bulb rotting through over-watering. Well that is how my brain thinks it works.
The seeds in the fridge: no Fritillaria seeds have germinated and emerged but as you can see some weed seeds that had blown into the pots while they were outside have!
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Something oddly comforting at times about weed seedlings in pots- if they are healthy then the soil is healthy and if they are too wet or dry it's a handy signal!
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Some good advice from Laurence Hill's Fritillaria Icones :
Look at your Fritillaria tepal edges, they're very varied, right across the genus
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more :
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/description.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/description.html)
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Again from Laurence Hill's Fritillaria Icones site:
The Fritillaria seed PDF has been updated, now with 116 taxa http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/Fritillaria_seeds.pdf (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/Fritillaria_seeds.pdf)
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what a work!
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Laurence Hill's Firillaria Icones site is a tremendous resource - we have a lot to thank him for.
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"More than 600 Fritillaria names but less than 200 accepted, clarify the names and their synonyms at....." http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/pub_names_az.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/pub_names_az.html)
- more from Fritillaria Icones - I love this site - wonderful work shared with us all.
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Maggi, I can't get your link above to work?
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Sorry David - I think I've fixed it now. That take you to the Frit Icones page where one can choose by alphabet to see the list - this is a direct link to a pdf to download :
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/frit.names.pdf (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/frit.names.pdf)
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Update on Fritillaria seeds in the fridge. I had taken them all out to give them a watering because the surface of the compost tends to dry out - not good for germination. The first one has germinated and emerged - picture attached - Fritillaria persica.
Roots have continued to develop as they should and I now have a total of 87 pots with roots out of the bottom. If I were to check them daily I think I would find one or two a day. The growth shoots of many have started to develop so I really should stop delving into the pots to see what is going on. Not unexpectedly Fritillaria karelinii has actually made it above the gravel just. (Picture attached). I probably should not water the Fritillaria karelinii pots when I water everything else in order to hold the growth back. But doing what I do works for me and my bulbs are slowly growing in size.
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It's very hard to resist a little poke around to see what's going on under the gravel, Colin! F. obliqua is always the first one up for me, with leaves up some time in late October. I should also try to hold off watering a while after the other bulbs.
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Further seed and root update:
I checked the seeds in the fridge today. The Fritillaria persica which first emerged on the 06/11/2017 now has 9 out of 13 seeds emerged. What I would normally expect to have emerged at this time of year in the fridge have just started: Fritillaria ariana, biflora, karelinii and pluriflora are all on the move with between one and three white, bent over, emerging seeds. These are now all in the greenhouse and will start to green up now that they have some light.
In the greenhouse all of the Fritillaria karelinii pots have growth above the gravel but no roots out of the bottom yet. But I am now up to 138 of pots with roots out of the bottom, so things are definitely moving.
Colin
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The first Fritillaria karelinii flower has opened, which is a bit irritating because I wanted this bulb to carry a seed capsule as it is the largest bulb. With luck, one of the others will open in time and dehisce so I can still get a capsule on it. I do not know if it is lack of anything else to go on, but greenfly seem to love them. I gave up just squashing them on a daily basis yesterday and went over them with a small paint brush dipped in insecticide.
The other thing to happen caused a big blue cloud in the greenhouse - language not repeatable here! A mouse got up onto the bench where the seedlings were and chomped through the karelinii seedling pot and ate all the emerging seedlings and a few seeds! Fortunately it did not get all of the seeds and some more are now emerging, but I got my revenge.
Colin
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Oh. Mice! You have my sympathy - but I thought you still had cats ?
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I found voles had been at my Crocus banaticus earlier this year. I put down traps but only succeeded in killing a wren :'(. I swiftly took the traps away and have had another vole attack recently but don't want to lose any more beautiful jenny wrens. A few corms is a small price.
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Yes Maggi we used to have a cat but she passed on before we moved - picture attached.
Matt I do not know if it makes any difference but I put the mouse traps inside square long pots, so that the bait is not very visible and have yet to trap a bird thankfully - pictures attached to show what I mean. If I got a bird I think Paul would say we have to look again at mouse control in the greenhouses. We have a total of eight traps in the two bulb houses; I hope I have not jinxed it but we have caught no birds YET!
Colin
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Time for a new kitten then, Colin - or a visit to the re-homing centre. :)
We always cover a mousetrap with an upturned terracotta pot, with only a small gap made by propping it on a wee stone to allow access to the trap only to a mouse. Happily birds are not so daft as to even try to get under a clay pot.
Recently Ian has bought a new type of trap which is even less likely to kill any wee birds - it's got a sort of tube construction and the mouse must enter it completely to be caught and once sprung, all that is visible is the end of the tail. Again, too small even for the Wrens and Gold Crests to enter - I'm off to try to find a photo of the new type. ....
here they are .....
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Victor-Clean-Kill-Mouse-Trap/dp/B00KGVCJX4/ref=sr_1_2?s=black-friday&psr=EY17&ie=UTF8&qid=1511718107&sr=1-2&keywords=mouse+trap (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Victor-Clean-Kill-Mouse-Trap/dp/B00KGVCJX4/ref=sr_1_2?s=black-friday&psr=EY17&ie=UTF8&qid=1511718107&sr=1-2&keywords=mouse+trap)
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I had mouse problems in the greenhouse for the first time last winter when we had a ton of snow on the ground. I will be putting in traps this winter but have already installed a couple of plug-in ultrasonic devices. Like a dog whistle they make a sound that only mice can hear! And apparently they don't like it and stay away. Hope they work.
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I had mouse problems in the greenhouse for the first time last winter when we had a ton of snow on the ground. I will be putting in traps this winter but have already installed a couple of plug-in ultrasonic devices. Like a dog whistle they make a sound that only mice can hear! And apparently they don't like it and stay away. Hope they work.
In my last house, which had a thatched roof, we regularly got mice and rats in the attic and I bought one of those devices because they sound a nice environmentally friendly way of dealing with the problem. When we subsequently had to call in the pest control officer, he laughed when he saw the device - he has seen many homes where they have been tried unsuccessfully - one of his clients had bought about a dozen of the things... The scientific evidence base for their effectiveness is very poor;
https://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/AZ1639-2015.pdf
Sometimes they seem to work for a while but mice come and go anyway and installing one can coincide with a time when they go...
(Sorry to be negative!)
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While I was away in Argentina for the last few weeks, a squirrel dug up many Fritillaria meleagris bulbs and Crocus tommasinianus. All that's left are growing tips! Time to set traps for the eastern gray squirrel, an invader from the other side of the country.
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Further seed and root update:
The last update I did was 19/11/2017 and things have moved on The number of pots with roots out of the bottom is now 193. This does now include some snow melt ones like Fritillaria poluninii, at least the ones in small pots. Things above the gravel are all ones I would expect, mainly Fritillaria ariana, gibbosa and karelinii. Some of the shoots are pictured below. I have one I would not except to see - Fritillaria meleagroides, literally just showing but I think it is just going to sit there till February as it has not grown any more since 23/11/2017.
The sown seeds in the fridge are continuing to germinate and emerge. I now have 19 pots that have germinated and emerged above the gravel and are now in the greenhouse. I did miss one pot of Fritillaria affinis seedlings that were well above the gravel in the fridge; the picture below is what they look like 6 days later. There are a further 19 pots where the seeds have a root (germinated) but have not emerged above the gravel. I have also put these in the greenhouse so that I now have all the non-germinated pots in one fridge.
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From Fritillaria Icones :
2017 REVIEW: New Fritillaria Icones added this year http://www.fritillariaicones.com/icones/icones_a.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/icones/icones_a.html)
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