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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Janis Ruksans on February 01, 2017, 09:16:31 AM
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Yesterday I took off the covering of beds in my polytunnels. Yesterday weather broadcast was that all February will be with some plus or minor minus temperatures. Some 20 crocus species developed flower buds in dark below winter cover. Some I pictured, but weather is very cloudy and dark so they are in tightly closed buds. But some I pictured. Today weather broadcast dramatically changed and for next week is offered minus 20 C. So, if prognosis will not change - on Monday covering will be returned on beds. A lot of job and not good for plants!
On the first picture - beds with crocus pots yesterday just after opening. With long green leaves are Crocus biflorus from Italy and those autumn bloomers which develops leaves in autumn. Still a lot of flowers on C. melantherus and C. laevigatus, but flower quality is bad, not worth to picture.
13TUS-026 - comes from Goldag. I searched there for Crocus lydius, but it was late in season, all flowers were gone, and few collected corms more resembled C. chrysanthus. When they bloomed - they turned to be mix of C. pulchellus and biflorus group crocus by flower resembling C. mysius but with different corm tunics, most likely new, still unpublished species.
Crocus sozenii - beautiful species named after great Turkish Crocus enthusiast, active member of our forum - Ibrahim Sozen. During our common trip just Ibrahim told me - Janis, you are sitting on biflorus crocuses. And really - picturing C. mouradii I didn't note that side by side is growing something from biflorus group. It turned so special, that later was published by me as C. sozenii.
Turkish crocuses with yellow flowers and annulate corm tunics belongs to several distinct species even allied with different series of former "biflorus" crocuses. H. Kerndorff & al. criticized me for using epithet "C. chrysanthus group" for those, bet really I don't know better name for those before they will be sorted out and named. In any case all Turkish species are easy to separate from European crocuses with similar colour and corm tunics. Here picture of sample from Bozdag. The stripes on the inner segments are not virus, but caused by development in bad conditions. All buds are from same corm and other two flowers were checked by me after picturing and have normally yellow inner segments with dark basal blotch. Side by side with this one were collected creamy yellow individual, with only minor stippling on the outer flower segments outside (picture made in spring, 2016 - 11th of April).
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Janis the Crocus chrysanthus is lovely. you do have difficult conditions,amazing they grow so well.
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Finally some sun and a real good crocus day
Crocus fleischeri gulek pass
Crocus suaveolens 'De Jager'
Crocus suaveolens large form from Naples Botanical garden
Crocus henrikii
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Crocus biflorus ssp. fibroannulatus
Crocus concinnus
Crocus biflorus ssp. stridii
Crocus nevadensis
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Crocus korolkowii 'Baisun Tau Dwarf'
Crocus korolkowii from Tajikistan
Crocus biflorus ssp. melantherus
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some more of today
Crocus alatavicus
Crocus crewei
Crocus hartmannianus
Crocus biflorus ssp. pseudonubigena
Crocus cyprius
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Crocus crysanthus 'Sunspot'
Crocusframe
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;D ;D Belgium seems to have become Crocus county... 8)
Crocus nubigena looked very good the last few days with anthers almost as large as the petals.
Crocus alexandrii, black as the night.
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Crocus taseliensis flowered for the first time with me. I wasn't disapointed :D :D
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ah Luc i was on the way to post it but you've been faster ;D
thanks to Janis to introduce this beautiful crocus.
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Belgium - country of crocus, chocolate - and beer, I believe - something for everyone there, eh? ;D
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Belgium - country of crocus, chocolate - and beer, I believe - something for everyone there, eh? ;D
I more like Latvian chocolate and beer, no comments about crocuses... :D ;D
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ah Luc i was on the way to post it but you've been faster ;D
thanks to Janis to introduce this beautiful crocus.
Those are populations from W part of area (RUDA-008, 020), all are in tight buds here, too. No sun and tomorrow will return hard frost, so again cover will be returned. The stock collected more to the east still not showed buds out of pots. Will compare plants from both regions more carefully this spring (if I will be in home when they will bloom).
Returning to my book - the material still is in printing house :-X. On Friday I had talk with meneger and got promiss that printing will start next week :). Oh, I hope it will be truth. Promisses, promisses, promisses... :'( Last three days I mostly wrote postage papers for despatching of book to start immediately after receiving.
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Well, Luc and Ruben, that makes a nice series of Crocus that you introduce us there. At home, except in the greenhouse, I do not have much flower at the moment.
Maggi, chocolate, beer and French fries (which are of Belgian origin)
But also the balls with the liègeoise, the Waterzooï, the chicon au gratin, the tomato with the gray shrimps, the carbonades of beef with the gueuze, black pudding and stoemp with Brussels sprouts, croustillon (smoutebollen), steak Pepper, fries and salad, Liège potée, speculoos, Bruxelle or cork waffle (with pearled sugar or chocolate or cinnamon), lacquemant, turbot with ostendaise ........ ;D ;D :D :P
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At this time of year I prefer Crocus flowers over any chocolates! (which I think the Swiss is best anyway :D
Thank you all for posting - all so very wonderful!
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A thumbs up on all EXCEPT the Geuze. I still have a headache from 1983 - the taste, the smell and the effects.... I tried to cleanse myself with two Trappist ;D
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Maggi, chocolate, beer and French fries (which are of Belgian origin)
But also the balls with the liègeoise, the Waterzooï, the chicon au gratin, the tomato with the gray shrimps, the carbonades of beef with the gueuze, black pudding and stoemp with Brussels sprouts, croustillon (smoutebollen), steak Pepper, fries and salad, Liège potée, speculoos, Bruxelle or cork waffle (with pearled sugar or chocolate or cinnamon), lacquemant, turbot with ostendaise ........ ;D ;D :D :P
Fred - I will arrive for dinner this evening!! ( and I may stay for some time!!) :D
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I more like Latvian chocolate and beer, no comments about crocuses... :D ;D
I wouldn't dream of challenging Latvian Crocuses Janis :-X, but I'll take any challenge on chocolates and beer ! ;D ;D
At this time of year I prefer Crocus flowers over any chocolates! (which I think the Swiss is best anyway :D
Thank you all for posting - all so very wonderful!
:o :o Our belgian chocolates cannot be beaten, Gabriela. And let me tell you something.... half of Swiss chocolates are made from Belgian chocolate and I can know, I've sent hundreds of trucks of it down there in my professional live ;D
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Various crocuses
C.biflorus ssp alexandri
C. biflorus ssp crewii
C.biflorus ssp issauricus
C. biflorus ssp pulchricolor from Ulu Dag
C.biflorus ssp pulchricolor from Lake Abant
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Crocus atticus ssp sublimis
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor x C. chrysanthus natural hybrid
Crocus danfordiae
Crocus neglectus
Crocus gargaricus
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Crocus veluchensis
Crocus reticulatus
Crocus nevadensis
Crocus 'Midas touch'
Crocus pelistericus
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Great Pictures, I like crewii and alexandri most that I haven't till now. It will be boring for you, when mine are in flower in probably more than one month.
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They are never boring!
Crocus cvijicii
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That's reassuring to know.
I can do it the other way around and show them from last spring to do it simultaneously.
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great harvest :P
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Spring forever! 8)
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:o :o Our belgian chocolates cannot be beaten, Gabriela. And let me tell you something.... half of Swiss chocolates are made from Belgian chocolate and I can know, I've sent hundreds of trucks of it down there in my professional live ;D
Luc - you should then start asking the swiss people some questions >:(
Seriously, I eat A LOT of belgian chocolate during my two scholarships in Belgium (a long time ago) and it was super good. But everything I bought outside Belgium since, in Europe and Canada especially!, it is not as good as the swiss one.
They must take revenge somehow ::) for your beautiful Crocus flowers, not to mention the rhododendrons :)
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Crocus fleischeri and
fuscotinctus Crocus Chrysanthus 'Dorothy' ?
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Crocus 'Midas touch' : never heart about this one, what're the origins? crosses?
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Yann, http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12759.msg324074#msg324074 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12759.msg324074#msg324074)
( http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3031.msg76689#msg76689 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3031.msg76689#msg76689)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2643.msg208878#msg208878 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2643.msg208878#msg208878) )
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Various crocuses
Lovely pristine flowers, Tony.
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thanks Maggi, i didn't find the first link.
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Crocus fleischeri and fuscotinctus
Not 'Fuscotionctus'! In true 'Fuscotinctus' stripes on outer segments base don't go down on flower tube. In true cultivar at the base are greyish "tongue" with rounded top. (Rukšāns, Krokusi, 1981).
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Thanks Janis. An idea of who it might be?
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oh my! So much wonderful crocusses.
a picture of a favorite place - the wall of beers :-d
Crocus stevensii
Crocus biflorus ssp. pseudonubigena
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What a wonderful series of Crocus images Tony!!!
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Thanks Janis. An idea of who it might be?
Sorry, not remember more cultivars of "chrysanthus" group. I worked with them 35 years ago. Now I simply checked my old note-book from late seventies where are designs of outer flower segment outside from many old cuiltivars, but not all are there. Many still are only on cards and to check them would take a lot of time. It was long before computers. I'm always thinking - next winter I will start computerising, scanning of old books and garden-notes, but never had time for this.
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Crocus fuscotinctus
Thanks Janis. An idea of who it might be?
Perhaps it is 'Dorothy' - see here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138234#msg138234 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138234#msg138234)
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This actually looks very similar Maggi ;)
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Crocus atticus ssp sublimis from Mt. Pelister,FYROM
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Interesting query from Tony Goode on FB ......
"Your thoughts on this one appreciated. At first glance, much in common with Crocus danfordiae but it is much larger and more robust that all the other forms I grow. It is intermediate in size between danfordiae and chrysanthus. It is quite vigorous, seems more so than Crocus danfordiae and comes true from seed."
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Interesting query from Tony Goode on FB ......
"Your thoughts on this one appreciated. At first glance, much in common with Crocus danfordiae but it is much larger and more robust that all the other forms I grow. It is intermediate in size between danfordiae and chrysanthus. It is quite vigorous, seems more so than Crocus danfordiae and comes true from seed."
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I think that under name of C. danfordiae still are covered several different species beside minutus, brickellii, kurdistanicus.
Such (Tony Goede sample) I haven't. Replacement by seeds seem to be very interesting. It would be nice to know origin (locality) where it was collected in wild.
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Stop of entries on Crocus pages force me to suppose that frost reached Europe, too. Since Tuesday outside temperature in mornings here is minus 18 C. On Monday I returned cover on my pots inside polytunnel. In nights the temperature minimum inside my polytunnels was minus 14, but at pots +1 C. During sun in days temperature raised inside up to +6-8 C, but under cover remained the same - around +1 C. On pictures greenhouse view and outside garden - very little snow to protect plantings against such frost. Fortunately this horror will end on Monday and if weather forecast will not change on Tuesday I again will remove cover. Hope that it will be for the last time this season.
But the best news are that today my book finally was printed and on Monday will start binding process. I just got call about this from printing house. Actually I'm a little nervous - how it will look, how it will be accepted by you. Are the paper selected by my page-layout maker the best... How will look pictures on it... Oh...
Will see first copies on Wednesday and after that will start posting...
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Congratulations Janis, It's always exciting to publish your own book.
I have a novel writer friend, it's always a lot of work but pride too. And then of course the anxiety of knowing what the readers think. Tell yourself that if you have given all of you to do it, you will not have to fear the critics.
Bravo. :D
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We are all excited to see the book. No need to be nervous Janis, I'm sure it will be excellent!
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The book is eagerly anticipated Janis.
- no pressure there then! ;)
Crocus hartmannianus
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Crocus Schneideri BATM 428
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Again some great shots there. hartmannianus is a rare treasure.
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I can't compete with these well grown rarities and the quality of images here, especially Steve's but here are a few crocuses I am enjoying just now.
Crocus grown from seed from Crocus 'Hubert Edelsten' It is a few years since it first flowered but it has not increased.
Crocus veluchensis a week ago
Crocus veluchensis today
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Crocuses I got from Thomas Huber a couple of years ago labelled Crocus vernus/neglectus from Liguria. Just one pot but different days and angles.
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I can't compete with these well grown rarities and the quality of images here, especially Steve's but here are a few crocuses I am enjoying just now.
Crocus grown from seed from Crocus 'Hubert Edelsten' It is a few years since it first flowered but it has not increased.
GREETINGS! ;D Get viable seeds from Hubert Edelsten! Almost incredible! I never got any.
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The lack of sun is not good for the grower :-[ nor for the Crocus, very few are flowering.
Crocus biflorus weldenii
Crocus chrysanthus 'Jurpils'
Crocus tommasinianus 'Bobo'
Crocus vernus ssp napolitanus
Crocus chrysanthus
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Crocus taseliensis
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Crocus rhodensis
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Crocus minimus
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Crocus minimus can cover whole hills in Corsica, it has to be seen in the wild.
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I think that under name of C. danfordiae still are covered several different species beside minutus, brickellii, kurdistanicus.
Such (Tony Goede sample) I haven't. Replacement by seeds seem to be very interesting. It would be nice to know origin (locality) where it was collected in wild.
Thank you to Maggi for sharing this here - as I should have done.
I can trace the line back to Crocus danfordiae seed ex an Erich Pasche collection .... but I do not have the collection number, my seed was ex cultivation.
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Using last (I hope) cold days I worked at computer. On following Tuesday I'm planing to open cover in my polytunnels. I hope that there will be no need to return it for the third time. Although glass-wool sheets used by me for covering are quite long lasting, but they have some limit for mowing.
On Wednesday I will go for the first copies of my book (I hope the first will be binded) and then I will see how it looks. And will start despatching. But few minutes ago I published our new catalogue. There are many changes comparing with former years, so read carefully Terms and Foreword before going further. You can find it on rarebulbs.lv
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What a wealth of beautiful Crocus' above ! :o :o
Finally the sun made some of mine opening up too :
Crocus atticus sublimis parnassos (1&2)
Crocus minimus
Crocus stridii
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Two hours ago removed winter cover. And crocuses immediately started to open flowers. My easy days ended...
Still blooms C. laevigatus - as started in autumn, still some again has perfect flowers
Early runner allways is C. korolkowii - here standart stock and one selected seedling - on that flower is damaged by returned winter cover.
Another runner which almost finished blooming below cover is C. fibroannulatus (type collection)
Between earliest always is C. hittiticus - here SASA-022 - the best of hittiticus, this year a little later than other hittiticus samples
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Crocus fauseri - known only from one isolated mountain top.
Crocus munzurense (type gathering) - now region closed for foreigeners
Crocus pseudonubigena
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As last today - Crocus henrikii
Crocus sozenii
and hybrid between C. mawii and C. gembosii
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The first Crocus to bloom for me in the garden. It seems to be Crocus chrysanthus 'Doroty'.
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Shocking news for me :'( :'( :'( Tomorrow I planned go to Riga to pick up first copies of my book and some minutes ago got call from Printing House that binding machine broke, around 100 copies are damaged and all process stopped up to 27-28 of February, because damage is very serious and must come specialists from producer of machine from Japan.
If I will not receive book on 28th - I decided to cancel contract and will go to another printer. Most likely I will loose prepayment and another company will be more expensive, but I really tired from all those delays and "excuses" - no such paper in Latvia, line waiting for printing on the best printing machine etc. etc.
Most pity, that I deceived you and now left only apologize to all my sponsors and customers of book. Sorry, friends. But you didn't lost your money!!! Book will be printed in any case even if I would be forced to mortgage all my property.
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Dear Janis, I understand your anxiety and disappointment at this turn of events - but make no mistake, it is very seldom that one hears of all going perfectly to plan in the world of book printing. Think how often books or even journals are delayed for all manner of reasons. The difference here is that you care so much for the project. I am sure that others, like myself, will wait patiently for the reward of seeing the book.
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These things never run smoothly Janis.
Like most of us I will have no problem waiting for as long as it takes.
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Don't worry Janis, the most important thing is to be sure you are happy with the book when it is printed. These things happen and everyone will be understanding. We will all be delighted with the book whenever it comes, so no need to rush for the sake of the sponsors.
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My first post on the Crocus pages!
(Can’t claim any credit for actually growing these.)
I chose to get some Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelstein' after lurking here for many hours..
SO: Thanks to all you photo-posters.
Tim DH
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My Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' are in flower at the same time as you.
You live which country Tim?
Attention, I think the real name is Edelsten and not Edelstein ... ;)
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Hi Fred,
My country is Yorkshire! (Tho' I'm not a native.) Perhaps I'll try to update my profile later.
The WWW seems confused about the correct spelling. I got 4,110 results searching for crocus Hubert Edelsten and 6,400 results searching for crocus Hubert Edelstein.
Tim DH
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Shocking news for me :'( :'( :'( Tomorrow I planned go to Riga to pick up first copies of my book and some minutes ago got call from Printing House that binding machine broke, around 100 copies are damaged and all process stopped up to 27-28 of February, because damage is very serious and must come specialists from producer of machine from Japan.
If I will not receive book on 28th - I decided to cancel contract and will go to another printer. Most likely I will loose prepayment and another company will be more expensive, but I really tired from all those delays and "excuses" - no such paper in Latvia, line waiting for printing on the best printing machine etc. etc.
Most pity, that I deceived you and now left only apologize to all my sponsors and customers of book. Sorry, friends. But you didn't lost your money!!! Book will be printed in any case even if I would be forced to mortgage all my property.
Janis,
Don't worry about the delay. I am sure the printing company can solve the problem even if it takes some time. A book like this is certainly worth waiting for. The few examples from your book in International Rock Gardener show that this book is outstanding and it will become our new reference book for crocuses.
Poul
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Many thanks to everyone for supporting words. I will do the best to serve you all. Not everything is in our hands, sometimes you must wait. Most important ids final result and I hardly hope that you will be satisfied.
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Last night temperature in greenhouse dropped to minus 6 C (doors I left open), but now all crocuses continue developing, so some new pictures from today.
I'm starting with "delayed" autumn bloomer - Crocus melantherus - looks very fresh.
Next is Crocus ancyrensis - type I - regarded by me as typical species.
Next is still unidentified species received from Jim Archibald and reported as collected on Alacbeli pass in Turkey.
And now two Crocus crewei - the first comes from HKEP sample 0703
the second is collected by myself and looks very typical crewei.
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Now another crocuses from today
The first is C. ziyaretensis, quite recently published by HKEP
This one chrysanthus I showed earlier, when it was in buds.
Crocus sozenii now opened its flowers.
And last two are Crocus taseliensis - the population situated something west from type locality and blooming much earlier. Those from type locality only showed out some noses.
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The last pictures from today
Another picture of typical C. ancyrensis
and two different forms of C. stevensii
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Hello Janis,
Even if I expect your book to be impatient like most of you here, I believe on behalf of all
I can say that we are very understanding of your situation at the moment, and that we are
soon to get a unique and outstanding book from you .
Greetings
Bernd
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Wow... what a show Janis !!!!
Out here I had this in flower - Crocus sieberi sieberi from Mt Dikti.
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Nice show, nothing blooming here :-[
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The last pictures from today
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Hi Janis,
while you are delighting us with these pics - we can wait for your book ;D
cheers
fermi
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Today is cool, cloudy. In greenhouse (with all doors and windows closed) temperature is only + 4 C (outside just zero). All flowers are closed, but I maid few pictures to show variability of Crocus fauseri.
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Two other pictures - now true Crocus crewei from TULA trip
The first - Hot Chocolate (named by Ibrahim Sozen)
The second - more typical C. crewei.
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Re Crocus fauseri : And what a delightful variation there is in this fine crocus, named for the wonderful Otto Fauser, another wonderful friend of this forum.
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It shows perfectly how interesting the outer sides of some Crocuses are.
Here finally sun and warm temperatures and the Crocuses have opened their flowers.
Crocus alatavicus 20170216
Crocus laevigatus ex Eretria 20170215
Crocus laevigatus ex Evia 20170215
Crocus nubigena 20170216
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Warm weather this weekend and already the crocus are opening.
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A question I have been asked:
Dr John Marr discovered Crocus robertianus in Greece and named it after his son who had died in a tragic accident. Dr Marr made several trips collecting Crocus around Europe and into Turkey, I believe he was the first person to bring a pure white C. banaticus back to this country. He had taken brother and sister Peter and Marion Cox with him andthe Crocus should have a PAC number, as Peter Cox actually found the first one. (We have overheard this collection being attributed to Paul Christian at an AGS show).
My question is do you know of any cultivar crocus named after John Marr ? My reason for asking is that I have raised
a very nice hybrid that I wish to name after him but I cannot duplicate a name, obviously. I want to present him with it as it his 90th Birthday in a few months. It is C. tomm. x C. vernus, not that you would immediately think so.
Feel free to help - I do not have a useful answer to give but with your help ....
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https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/85734/Crocus-banaticus-John-Marr/Details (https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/85734/Crocus-banaticus-John-Marr/Details)
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https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/85734/Crocus-banaticus-John-Marr/Details (https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/85734/Crocus-banaticus-John-Marr/Details)
Thank You :-)
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Weather still is cool and no sun during most of day, only in evening for short moment it shined but it was too late to open flowers. So again only buds, but sometimes they are very nice, too.
At first surprises - the third autumn blooming species raising flowers in spring - Crocus cambessedesii.
Another surprise - in pot with C. mazziaricus from Athos peninsula suddenly opened one plant of C. athous. By corm they are practically indistinguishable.
Pleasant surprise - bloomed one crocus from those collected last year in Iran - seem to be new species.
Then 2 other iranians
Crocus reinhardii and
Crocus iranicus
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In this entry some superb Crocus gembosii clones - possibly wild hybrids with C. mawii
and as last - some seedlings of C. gembosii (?) 'Sunspot' - those with pure yellow outside in bnackground are from the same seedpod.
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The last two pictures today is one unidentified sample collected by Archibald, looks quite similar to C. mawii
Another is not crocus, but blooming in same time - Iris hyrcana from Talish in former soviet Azerbaijan (originally collected in 1983 by me, Arnis and Zobova. It is the single reticulata blooming so early.
Seem that night will be cold as sky clears, but may be tomorrow will be sunshine. Today watered all pots for the first time this season.
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Today, in the glasshouse, the first flower of Crocus reticulatus X angustifolius
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Crocus kosaninii, from Janis (gembosii is 8) 8) 8) 8))
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A duet in yellow:
Crocus 'Midas Touch'
and Crocus 'Sunspot'
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And some more from the past two weeks:
Crocus ancyrensis
Crocus babadagensis
Crocus cyprius
Crocus fleischeri 'Gulek Pass'
and Crocus hartmannianus
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Some more:
Crocus korolkowii
Crocus michelsonii
Crocus roseoviolaceus (x 2)
and Crocus korolkowii 'Lemon Queen'
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Crocus gargaricus (x 2)
Crocus fleischeri
Crocus rujanensis
and Crocus sieberi 'Cretan Snow'
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Crocus antalyensis
Crocus sieberi 'Firefly'
and Crocus variegatus (x 2)
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And 6 x Crocus michelsonii (coll LEE408)
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last of the LEE408
and Crocus ancyrensis and Crocus chrysanthus 'Goldene Sonne'
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Lots in flower with you, Wim.
Can you remind me, please who LEE refers to?
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what a set! great to see sunny pictures
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Lots in flower with you, Wim.
Can you remind me, please who LEE refers to?
Sure, it's Luc Scheldeman!
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Crocus alatavicus (...bought as),
first crocus in my garden, hardly the snow is gone.
Bernd
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Sure, it's Luc Scheldeman!
Thanks Wim.
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A special one in my heart: my daugter played with seeds she stole in the greenhouse while she was playing with soil.
4 years later i found 3 flowers.
This morning when she woke up it was a nice surprise.
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A young Croconut in the making, Yann?
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Crocus alatavicus (...bought as),
first crocus in my garden, hardly the snow is gone.
Bernd
Why only "baught as"? It is true alatavicus.
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Thanks Janis,
i got this plant from an uncertain source, and i knew few about Crocus.
So i was not shure, if the Name was correct.
Bernd
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No Matt she prefers horses, it's her passion.
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Crocus alatavicus (...bought as),
first crocus in my garden, hardly the snow is gone.
Bernd
Yours seem to be more open than mine. I observe this since I have got them.
Some places with Crocus are still snow covered here.
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More leaves too. My plants geht full sun.
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Different forms of Crocus laevigatus are still coming into flower now. Today one from Andros but the flower was still not really open, others from Evia I have shown recently.
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I took a display of crocuses to the local Plant Heritage meeting today. For a change a long arranged date turned out just right - a good show of flowers.
One that passed un-noticed by most folk will likely interest you here more. A chance seedling from Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis (as I am still calling it - changing all the labels and records will have to wait!) A yellow flower with brownish markings, to my eye a hybrid with Crocus cvijicii.
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I took a display of crocuses to the local Plant Heritage meeting today. For a change a long arranged date turned out just right - a good show of flowers.
One that passed un-noticed by most folk will likely interest you here more. A chance seedling from Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis (as I am still calling it - changing all the labels and records will have to wait!) A yellow flower with brownish markings, to my eye a hybrid with Crocus cvijicii.
Never tried such cross, may be this spring will - if the blooming time will be the same
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I took a display of crocuses to the local Plant Heritage meeting today. For a change a long arranged date turned out just right - a good show of flowers.
One that passed un-noticed by most folk will likely interest you here more. A chance seedling from Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis (as I am still calling it - changing all the labels and records will have to wait!) A yellow flower with brownish markings, to my eye a hybrid with Crocus cvijicii.
Interesting, Tony! A dark 'Midas Touch' ;)
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Crocus time in Norfolk. After a couple of cold months which held the flowers back nicely we now have some spring-like weather to show them off nicely. Hopefully the mild nights will mean good seed set too. I've been out with my paintbrush!
Apologies for out of date names - my collection is referenced to Brian Mathew's taxonomy. One day I may change all the labels and records .... maybe :-\
Crocus biflorus alexandrii
Crocus biflorus punctatus
Crocus sp
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Interesting, Tony! A dark 'Midas Touch' ;)
Yes, exactly how I see it.
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Crocus chrysanthus
Crocus cyprius
Crocus dalmaticus
Crocus danfordiae
Crocus flavus
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Crocus imperati suaveolens
Crocus leichtlinii x kerndorffiorum
Crocus sieberi sublimis
Crocus sieberi atticus
Crocus sieberi sieberi - likely hybrid with ssp sublimis
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Crocus sieberi sieberi x 3
Crocus sieberi sublimis x2
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Sublime crocus - every one of them!
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Yes, exactly how I see it.
'Tony's Touch' ;-)
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Crocus leichtlinii x kerndorffiorum
Interesting cross!!
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Crocus sieberi sieberi - likely hybrid with ssp sublimis
Why you rergard this as hybrid? It resembles true sieberi. Hybrids with sublimis occurs very rarely, I had no results although I repeated such crossing several years.
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Why you rergard this as hybrid? It resembles true sieberi. Hybrids with sublimis occurs very rarely, I had no results although I repeated such crossing several years.
Some of my seed raised Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi have plants that resemble ssp sublimis, some with 'tricolor' effect others with dark markings at petal tips. The next to flower in this pot has dark outer petals and paler purple inner petals. So variable. If not sublimis, is it atticus or just variation in sieberi?
Pictures below of some of my seedlings that seem to be hybrids. Let me know what you think. pictures are labelled by seed parent.
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Picture #2 - I would regard as variation in typical sieberi, picture #3 - don't know. Will look for my wild pictures and will post them on Forum.
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Picture #2 - I would regard as variation in typical sieberi, picture #3 - don't know. Will look for my wild pictures and will post them on Forum.
Thanks Janis. It is always good to see the wild variation. I have only seen the all purple flowers in sieberi sieberi in raisings from my own seed, never from wild seed so I have assumed that some cross pollination has been responsible.
I have has seed from sieberi Bowles White in recent years which has given a range of lilac purple offspring.
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Really I didn't saw any with blue inside colour of flower segments. Those looks similar to sublimis. Are you sure against accidental mix in seeds (ants?)?
Here 3 pictures from wild (spring 2016) and some from earlier collections on Omalos in cultivation. You will see by background.
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I only in 2015 got first seeds from Bowles'White - for flowering must to wait. We posted former 2 entries simultaneously.
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And few more
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Great to see. The one with pale purple inner petals pic labelled Omalos is very similar to some of my seedlings. All of yours have the same dark, purple colour marking the outer petals, some of mine have a colour in them much closer to the ground colour of sublimis or atticus, a paler, more blueish purple. See another one below but here agai there is a darker bud waiting to flower below.
I will find and photograph my seedlings ex Bowles White in the next few days as they open their flowers. After growing BW for over 20 years I started getting seed from it a few years ago ... strange to wait so long.
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Printing House sent me some pictures from processing of my book and ensured that I will receive it on next Monday. I menaced them with cancelling of contract and jury-process for getting back pre-paid money.
Unfortunately on Tuesday I'm going to mountain trip and I will be back only 10th of March and then I will start despatching of book.
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Great to see. The one with pale purple inner petals pic labelled Omalos is very similar to some of my seedlings. All of yours have the same dark, purple colour marking the outer petals, some of mine have a colour in them much closer to the ground colour of sublimis or atticus, a paler, more blueish purple. See another one below but here agai there is a darker bud waiting to flower below.
I will find and photograph my seedlings ex Bowles White in the next few days as they open their flowers. After growing BW for over 20 years I started getting seed from it a few years ago ... strange to wait so long.
Regarding BW - with me the same - the first seed crop after same long waiting. May be bee found best pollen parent? I tried to selfpollinate it and to pollinate with pollen mix of sieberi and self.
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Printing House sent me some pictures from processing of my book and ensured that I will receive it on next Monday. I menaced them with cancelling of contract and jury-process for getting back pre-paid money.
Unfortunately on Tuesday I'm going to mountain trip and I will be back only 10th of March and then I will start despatching of book.
But progress is being made, Janis! Great to see. Have a wonderful - and safe trip - and we will see you again soon!
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I have never been able to quite catch how gilded Crocus x chrysanthus 'Phoebe' can appear some afternoons. Mind you it barely co-operated today & then only after setting it in the worst possible spot for background.
john
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I have never been able to quite catch how gilded Crocus x chrysanthus 'Phoebe' can appear some afternoons. Mind you it barely co-operated today & then only after setting it in the worst possible spot for background.
john
Nice one, John!
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Here still very cool and dark weather, at this moment outside is snowing and tomorrow is promised up to 7 cm of snow but in afternoon again rain.
It is too dark for good pictures, but again some of closed buds I pictured.
In this entry are crocuses which I collected in spring 2013 out of flowers in search for one very special species published by HKEP. Together with friends we two days circled in this comparatively small region. Collected few corms at several stops, but their corm tunics were different, so not searched by us crocus. Saw 1 or 2 chrysanthus type flowers and supposed that they are chrysanthus s.l., too. Later turned that few were ordinary pulchellus, but spring 2007 brought great surprise. It seems that we collected new species. Here are some pictures of its closed flowers. The sample 038 was collected on another mountain massive, quite distant, but looks same as in samples 020-026.
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Here Crocus brickellii, from locus classicus. It was collected out of flowers, so I was very intrigued - is it true or not, so opened slightly flowers by fingers, checking position of stigma. Yes! It was typical brickellii.
Then is Crocus henrikii
After that Crocus mediotauricus and as last the darkest toned Crocus korolkowii ever seen by me. Although I never succeed artificially crossing korolkowii with michelsonii - it resembles hybrid, although both species at time of gathering seeds were placed in different greenhouses.
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....... as last the darkest toned Crocus korolkowii ever seen by me. Although I never succeed artificially crossing korolkowii with michelsonii - it resembles hybrid, although both species at time of gathering seeds were placed in different greenhouses.
My goodness, what a colour that is! Always something surprising among these beautiful crocus .
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Crocus x chrysanthus 'Phoebe' in today's brilliant & warm sunshine.
john
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Another surprise seedling flowered today. Pictured below are the two yellow flowered plants that have arisen from seed raised home collections of Crocus sieberi sl.
Interestingly both can be traced back to the same collection made by Steve and Val Keeble in 2000 which was labelled Crocus sieberi ??ssp sublimis.
First picture is of the plant shown here recently, this time pictured in sunshine. This one is raised from seed collected from the original collection.
Second and third pictures are plants one further generation removed from the original collection.
Both were collected and sown in 2013. To my eye the yellow influence comes from Crocus cvijicii, both the shade of yellow and the flower shape suggest this.
Hoping they show hybrid vigour and increase quickly :D
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Identification of Greek "sieberi" are not very difficult
Leaves are without ribs (if ribs present - C. georgei)
Corm tunics coarse with long neck - atticus
coarse without neck - athous
Corm tunics finely reticulate, throat glabrous - nivalis
throat hairy - sublimis
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Identification of Greek "sieberi" are not very difficult
Leaves are without ribs (if ribs present - C. georgei)
Corm tunics coarse with long neck - atticus
coarse without neck - athous
Corm tunics finely reticulate, throat glabrous - nivalis
throat hairy - sublimis
Thanks Janis. I am at the hospital now but on a dark rainy day the flowers are closed anyway. I have brought the two yellow plants and some Crocus cvijicii with me in the car!! I hope to repeat the cross using the purple flowered plants in pots with the yellow ..... we will see in a few years :-\
I will do some checks at home on other plants of sieberi sl. when I can. Sadly I do not have the original plants from the KKK collection any more but maybe in photos I will be able to check some details.
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On grey and overcast days they can be very nice too...
Crocus chrysanthus 'Charmer'
Crocus chrysanthus 'Rusne'
and Crocus tommasinianus 'Claret'
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C. corsicus
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More on the conundrum of variability vs hybridity in the complex that was Crocus sieberi sl.
First a shot of another seed raising of Crocus sieberi sieberi that includes a form that has flowers coloured as Crocus sublimis Tricolor. I have several seed raisings like this and while a seed mix-up might have happened once I am as certain as I can be that the repeated nature of this outcome reflects the ability of Crocus sieberi to hybridise with other plants now viewed as separate species rather than subspecies.
Second shot another suspicious variation. The purple colour of one is typical of Crocus sieberi while the very nice one with markings at the petal tips has colouring more typical in sublimis/atticus.
Third picture, a riotous mixture of forms of Crocus sieberi from a single home produced accession. None of my original sieberi plants have lilac purple ground colour, all are white with dark markings. Janis has shown picture of wild plant with lilac ground colour so perhaps this colour break in my seedlings reflects the natural variability ... perhaps.
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My goodness, what a colour that is! Always something surprising among these beautiful crocus .
I quite agree, Maggi - pure magic Janis is showing here ! :o :o :o
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Passed very cold night. Outside temperature dropped to minus 9 C, in greenhouse "only" minus 6. Although morning part of day was sunny, temperature not raised much in greenhouse - maximum was only +4 a nd flowers still remained closed. So still only buds.
On first - view of one of crocus beds.
Then Crocus cyprius light form, in background more traditionally coloured individual
And as last two pictures of another "cyprian" - C. hartmannianus grown from wild collected seeds - first blooming on the 4th year after sawing.
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In this entry only two crocuses
The first is C. reinhardii, collected last spring at another locality. The label at this stock was C. speciosus aff. as it was out of flowers at collecting time and I had notes about speciosus in this region.
Next one most likely C. reinhardii, too,. collected between 2 earlier known localities but at lower altitude and unusual colouring - another new-comer from 2016 collected without leaves but with very hard corm tunics.
And as last one more beauty of C. gembosii.
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This one seems colourless on the outside...
Crocus tommasinianus 'Bobbo'
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Again outside snowing, but temperature is +1 C. For around half an hour was sun shining through clouds and I used moment for some pictures. Some were shown before in buds, but now at least half open flowers can be observed.
Crocus alerxandri from Greece
Then very strange and most likely new species from W Turkey - no one description match with it.
Now Crocus brickellii showing its beauty and 2 main features separating it from danfordiae - length of stigmatic branches and large yellow throat.
And last 2 in this entry Crocus crewei Hot Chocolate
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In this entry I'm starting with Crocus fauseri, then follow
Unusual form of Crocus henrikii - if it would not be collected in wild - my opinion would be that it is hybrid. May be it really is hybrid, but another corm collected at same locality was C. mediotauricus. So it could be another parent, or occasionally C. henrikii has black anthers. Not a great surprise as C. mawii, concinnus and gembosii growing not very far occasionally has black colour in anthers.
Crocus lyciotauricus I would be regarding as C. brickellii if not the size of flowers - at least twice as large as all species from C. danfordiae group to which belongs C. brickellii.
Those are first flowers of C. muglaensis which opened today, others still are in buds.
And last is at this moment labeled as nubigena, but could be different, still not checked in details.
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And last entry today
The first is C. pseudonubigena
Then 2 pictures of C. salurdagensis
After that C. sozenii
and as last C. stevensii
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Some more pictures few minutes ago
From Greek main land crocuses from so named "sieberi" group, this year the earliest is Crocus athous.
Next one was collected last spring near Athens as C. atticus (by corm tunics) - this is single flower which came and looks very unusual.
Crocus chrysanthus 'Black Fire' is another "dark coloured" beauty - I got it from Rik van Bogaert.
And last two is plant of stupid story. Two days ago I checked boxes with seedlings and between white danfordiae were 2 distinctly dark yellow and much larger individuals. Certainly wrong! How those two seeds appear between danfordiae - have no idea. Most likely some ant... I left them on greenhouse table and forgot, but seeing them today still quite fresh, I brought to home to enjoy Guna. And some 10 minutes later Guna asked me - why you throw away this beauty? Turned that I dug out nice hybrid - with black stigma and distinct black connectives of anthers. It was potted back immediately.
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Janis beautiful selection,I would like to see ' Black Fire' open it looks lovely
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Wonderful Janis, somes are exquisite
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Crocus chrysanthus 'Black Fire' is another "dark coloured" beauty - I got it from Rik van Bogaert.
WOW, that one is great.
...with black stigma and distinct black connectives of anthers. It was potted back immediately.
And these!!!
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Crocus 'Hubert Edelsten'
Crocus 'Ronald Ginns'
Crocus tommasininianus (Red Pink - RHS6)
Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'
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And a Crocus tommasinianus selection from John Grimshaw (JG-4) which is quite similar to RHS6 (see above)
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Crocus 'Hubert Edelsten'
Crocus 'Ronald Ginns'
Crocus tommasininianus (Red Pink - RHS6)
Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'
Nice to see old friends here but ....
For Pictus see below. First pic from ten tears ago of Pictus and Second one from this week of seedlings ex Pictus which still show the characteristic dark tips although the seedlings have variable ground colour,
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Nice to see old friends here but ....
For Pictus see below. First pic from ten tears ago of Pictus and Second one from this week of seedlings ex Pictus which still show the characteristic dark tips although the seedlings have variable ground colour,
You're right of course, Tony...mine seems to be just a regular tommasinianus!
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Some other tommies:
Crocus tommasinianus 'Bobbo'
and Crocus tommasinianus 'Lilac Beauty'
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And 2 tommie-selections of John Grimshaw:
JG4
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And JG5
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JG4 has great colors 8)
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And JG5
Afraid than picture #2 is virus :'(
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I have got these as Crocus antalyensis but I am not sure if they are.
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Afraid than picture #2 is virus :'(
Was my first thought too, but if I remember correctly John had this one analysed for virus and it was free of virus....not 100% sure, though!
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Dear friends,
Book is here - arrived yesterday when I was in Gothenburg (I was lucky - being in Gothenburg I escaped bringing of boxes from trasnsport car into room - it was done by Printing House people). Today started packing for those who pre-ordered it. My apologation to those who will not receive book in the first days as I'm going to mountains, but immediately after returning I will continue despatching. For those who must receive more than 3 copies - you will need waiting up to my return as my post bags are not sufficiently large for more than 3 copies. Tomorrow I will order in local post larger size bags but they need some days before they will come here. Then I will be already in mountains - of course looking for more, may be new, crocuses.
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Great News Janis, it will be a big relief for you to know they have arrived now you will be able to enjoy the mountains without worrying.
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Perfect! So you can enjoy your trip
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that's great, you can now relax and change your mind!
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Crocus danfordiae
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Dear friends,
Book is here - arrived yesterday when I was in Gothenburg (I was lucky - being in Gothenburg I escaped bringing of boxes from trasnsport car into room - it was done by Printing House people). Today started packing for those who pre-ordered it. My apologation to those who will not receive book in the first days as I'm going to mountains, but immediately after returning I will continue despatching. For those who must receive more than 3 copies - you will need waiting up to my return as my post bags are not sufficiently large for more than 3 copies. Tomorrow I will order in local post larger size bags but they need some days before they will come here. Then I will be already in mountains - of course looking for more, may be new, crocuses.
Janis,
You have the face of the man happy and proud ...
It's a pleasure to see. :D
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A little bit strange danfordiae
1/ seems that flowers are too large;
2/ the stigmatic branches ends at the tips of anthers (usually well below)
3/ flowers something too bright, although there are forms with bright colour, too
Without measurements impossible to judge, but without name I would be thinking about chrysanthus
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Janis,
You have the face of the man happy and proud ...
It's a pleasure to see. :D
Of course I'm happy. Just returned from Gothenburg where presented the first three copies - reaction was fantastically favourable. I really can be proud with this job, although at present I feel myself something exhausted... Don't know what to do. Need some rest. All the day packed books for pre-orders. Collected all bags of appropriate size in both country post offices in my region and from both district cities post offices - and now they finished. So those who came later now must wait my return from mountains. 10th of March I will restart packing of books.
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Dear Janis - I think we can all wait a little longer for our books to be sent - it is more important, I believe, that you take a small rest to be able to be strong for your next trip in the mountains. The stress of the publishing process must have been horrible for you. Take care of yourself, dear friend!