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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Leena on January 26, 2017, 12:05:34 PM
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I got seeds of P. Tblisi hybrids from the seed exchange 2014-15. They germinated last summer and the seedlings look to me like anomala/veitchii-type. The same seeds were in 2015-16 seed lists, now with added origin JJA 6.747.811.
Where could I find more information about the origin of these? :)
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You can find all sorts of information about plants with an Archibald connection from the mass of detail contained in the Archibald Archive in the main SRGC website . There is an obvious link on the main page, as well as a link from the drop-down menus.
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This is the main link :
http://www.srgc.net/site/index.php/features-mainmenu-47/articles/259-the-archibald-archive (http://www.srgc.net/site/index.php/features-mainmenu-47/articles/259-the-archibald-archive)
From the master list of seed numbers, available to read, download and consult at any time, is this entry for the plant you mention - the Paeonia from Tblisi Hybrids
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Thank you Maggi! :-[ :)
I knew somewhere was information about Archibald seeds, and I don't know how I didn't see it in the main page, I must be blind. I just searched for it from the links in the top (from archives and like).
It will be interesting to see how my seedlings look this year, because I would have expected daurica-type seedlings have different first leaves (entire leaflets). P.wittmanniana-hybrids like 'Mai Fleuri' are sterile.
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Hi Leena ,
"Mai Fleuri" is a cross between P.lactiflora x P.wittmanniana ( made from Lemoine 1905 )
Hans
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Thank you Maggi! :-[ :)
I knew somewhere was information about Archibald seeds, and I don't know how I didn't see it in the main page, I must be blind. I just searched for it from the links in the top (from archives and like).
As well as the main link from the front page of the main website srgc.net, there is a link to the Archibald archive (and much more besides!) from the drop-down button "Contents" under the sub-heading "SRGC Archive Site"
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Another Archibald related query to the paeony lovers .......
A question from Mike Tucker - shown in the Archibald Archive section of the Forum -
Anyone out there growing this one?
Paeonia sp.nov. JCA 17180 Iran, Mazandaran, ENE of Firuzkuh
Grown from seed direct from JCA, the description in Master list refers to cream anthers, glabrous carpels etc but also ‘hairless beneath’ - my plant is is hairy beneath.
The 2016 taxonomic revision of Paeonia in Iran recognises just the 3 species ie mascula,tomentosa and wendlboi.
The description for tomentosa ? now includes leaves hairy on the undersides, carpels densly hairy or very rarely glabrous and filaments yellow or violet.
Any views on this would be greatly appreciated. Please reply in the Archibald section : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9360.msg373902#msg373902 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9360.msg373902#msg373902)
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Paeonia cambessedesii
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2950/33859991876_f3f9a83879_o_d.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2882/33859992146_49a1a659ec_o_d.jpg)
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Very lovely Steve - is that growing in your lawn??
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Quite a few Paeonia cambessadesii dotted around Wildside yesterday. No pictures though.
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Very lovely Steve - is that growing in your lawn??
Thanks Gail.
It is grown in a large pot in my alpine house (min. temp -2C). I placed the pot on the lawn to take the image. Unfortunately this drew my wife's attention to the fact that the grass needed cut! ;)
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I planted P. cambessadesii out in Suffolk and it survived a couple of winters. One of the things I left when I moved ...
Good luck with the mowing - I planted snakes heads and tulipa sylvestris in my lawn here so no mowing for a while.
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So lovely. Too bad P.cambessedesii is not hardy here, I think.
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Paeonia tenuifolia ssp. lithophila.
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I have a question re Paeonia emodi. What is its cold hardiness rating? I've read about it being burned by late frosts in zone 8.I now have seedlings from the SRGC Seed Exchange, and they were planted out in the landscape last autumn (deep planting due to what I'd read online). They are now emerging, a bit later than the rest of my peonies (herbaceous hybrids and Tree peonies). Am I foolish even attempting them in my borderline zone 6/5 location?
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Gordon:
I am in Northern New Jersey just outside NYC.
We can get temps as low as 5-6 F during winter with wet conditions as well.
My plant has been in the ground for 8 years.
Always flowers.
Flowers don't like the heat and don't last very long.
You can check my profile for exact location.
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Gordon, I have P.emodi here in Finland, though it hasn't flowered yet, the buds seem to get frost-bitten easily. I know friends who grow it successfully here, it doesn't tolerate water-logging and gets rot in roots easily in too humus rich soil at least here.
Last week we had temperatures below 0C every night and I protected buds of P.mairei with styrofoam box, so far they look good.
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Grown from seed- Paeonia arietina
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What an attractive plant!
Gerd
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Thank you Gerd, it is very pretty.
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Paeonia anomala from Irkutsk, Russia.
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David your arietina is beautiful
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Thank you Yann. It's looking a bit less beautiful today than it was when I photographed it though, lots of wind and short but potent storms on and off in the past two days.
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Another P. mlokosewitzii seedling and not at all a bad yellow, so often they are anything but yellow. It's been so cool it's lasted 2 weeks which is unheard of.
john
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This one has been in my garden since 'Adam was a lad'. If it ever had a name it's been long forgotten. Lovely red though.
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Paeonia lactiflora 'Shirley Temple'
Paeonia lactiflora 'Bowl of Beauty.
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Two beauties there Michael.
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I’d be interested to read about any one else’s experiences with Peony Wilt… I used to have about 20 cultivars here.. They are all affected to some degree, even the tree peony. Some varieties seem more resistant than others.
Example of damage shown on Wladyslawa. A damaged shoot and a damaged bud. I find the bud damage particularly upsetting. Just when you were looking forward to a beautiful bloom it turns into brown mush. The two most resistant cultivars with me are Nosegay and Earlybird. Can anyone recommend others?
Any other management tips??
Tim DH
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Tim, I grow/have grown many peonies and I think the only one that has never been affected by wilt is Paeonia peregrina (which is also one of my all time favourites with vivid poppy-red flowers much loved by bumble bees).
I contacted the RHS advisory service to see what they suggest about wilt and got this reply;
Control of Peony Botrytis
The recent withdrawal of a number of pesticides available to the amateur gardener has made controlling some problems difficult, particularly for specialist gardeners such as yourselves.
However, all is not lost and there are some chemicals available which may control the disease. The fungicides myclobutanil, available as Systhane Fungus Fighter, and penconazole, available as Scotts Fungus Clear, can be used to control other diseases on ornamental plants, and may provide incidental control against Botrytis. The cultural treatments we would recommend include cutting the infected material to ground level, destroying any debris, scraping away the topsoil and dusting the remaining stump and tubers with sulphur dust, before replacing with fresh uninfected soil. You should note that although copper sulphate (Bordeaux mixture) is still available for the control of Botrytis on some fruit and vegetables, this does not extend to ornamentals
Dr Nathalie King
Plant Pathologist (RHS Garden, Wisley)
That was a couple of years ago so can't guarantee that the product she recommended are still around.
On the whole I don't spray unless I have a particularly special plant that I'm anxious about - I usually cut out affected shoots and cross my fingers; they tend to come back okay next year but it is always more of a problem in wet summers and if you grow peonies in amongst too much competition so there is not good air flow.
Nosegay is not one I've grown but may have to change that having seen your photo...
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Hi Gail,
Thanks for the advice. I’ve had a trawl through The Peony Database ( www.paeon.de (http://www.paeon.de) ) looking for pictures and there are a lot of peregrinas!
One, Paeonia 'Tony Verboom’, mentions botrytis resistance. Its likely to be a hybrid and sterile. Does anyone know if all peregrinas are resistant?
The guidance to cut out infected material would be impossible.. as would scraping away topsoil. Tho’ I could practice a bit more autumn hygiene.
Attached, another photo of Nosegay.. which sets open pollinated seed. Nosegay isn’t as pink, with me, as the catalogues suggest… but whatever it is setting seed with must be pinker if not dark red!! (All my other whites/yellows are no where near it.)
Tim DH
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Just as 'Renkaku' was set to put on its best show, a torrential storm blew through and broke off a major branch for the third year running! >:( >:( Salvaged the blooms for the house. This is one of two arrangements I gleaned from the damage. Glad to know from experience that it will grow back even larger next year!
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Do you have moments when you're utterly convinced where a plant came from............ and then you're not? This is a lost label, flowering for only the second year, and grown from seed. The thing is I thought the seed was from the Paeonia lactiflora I posted in reply 23 above but I'm not sure now.
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Paeonia mlokosewitschii seedpod
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Here are some pictures of the peonies which seeds I sent to the seed exchange.
P.obovata
P.anomala "Altai" (seeds put together with other P.anomala, I see)
P.officinalis ssp microcarpa
P.veitchii. I sent seeds from these plants which open pink, and then as the flower matures, fades to almost white.
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I also sent seeds from my plants grown as P. x chamaeleon which is supposed to be a natural hybrid between P.caucasica x P.mlokosewitchii. One plant from these seeds has all white flowers, the other has pink flush at the base of the flower. They are very nice early flowering peonies, about 60cm tall.
However, in the seed list I don't see P. x chamaeleon, so I wonder if my seeds were put under 'Chameleon' (which is a different peony, herbacous hybrid bred by Klehm) in the seed list, or if they were put together with P.daurica seeds...
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Oh no! Leena has found out that we don't know everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???
We had always thought there was only one P. 'Chameleon', and now we know there is P. x chamaeleon as well, so we're sorry but the seed sent this year is under P. 'Chameleon' even if it's really P. x chamaeleon............
Next year we'll have two chamaeleons / Chameleons in the seed list........ if we get sent the seed again!
and if P. anomala 'Altai' is a recognised cultivar name we'll separate that next year too.............
In contrition..... :-\
Ian and Carole Bainbridge
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There are so many plants in the seed list, nobody can know all of them!! :) I am very grateful for the work you do for the seed exchange!
Thanks for clarifying it that seeds from my plant are now under 'Chameleon', so that if anyone should want to order them they know where to find them. :) That is what I wanted to find out. ;)
It is really a nice peony, even though the flowering time is not very long, like with many other species.
My plants produce always plenty of seeds, so I'm sure I will have them to send also next year. They are open pollinated, so there is a slight chance of them not being true: I have (possible, species is not sure) cream coloured P.wittmanniana growing close by these plants, and they may have been cross pollinated by bees. P.mlokosewitchii flowers later than P.wittmanniana and P.x chamaeleon in my garden.
P.anomala "Altai" is not recognized cultivar, it just a second generation plant from wild collection from Altai, and a very nice and vigorous P.anomala. I have also grown P.anomala from other (garden) sources, and they flower later and are not quite like this one.
I can't also swear that my P.veitchii is a pure veitchii, they are grown from garden seeds, and they are small plants with sidebuds, and early flowering, and also always produce lots of seeds. I have now seedlings growing from wild collection from China, it will be interesting to see in few years time how they look compared to the plants I now have flowering.