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Title: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Yann on January 06, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
With more or less the same date as previous year Hyacinthella millingenii is blooming.
It increase very well in a small 7x7x10 pot and very dry and sharp soil.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 06, 2017, 04:00:56 PM
Very nice.
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Post by: Cfred72 on January 06, 2017, 04:23:40 PM
With more or less the same date as previous year Hyacinthella millingenii is blooming.
It increase very well in a small 7x7x10 pot and very dry and sharp soil.

Is it because it is in the greenhouse that it is in bloom? Would the garden do the same with frost (I speak in hyper-draining garden)?
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Yann on January 06, 2017, 05:05:31 PM
Yes i grow them in a greenhouse, the wet winter of our region will kill them in few days. This one is from Cyprus, a very different climate  8)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: LucS on January 06, 2017, 06:56:11 PM
With more or less the same date as previous year Hyacinthella millingenii is blooming.
It increase very well in a small 7x7x10 pot and very dry and sharp soil.
Nice photo of this small flower Yann. 
Hyacinthella species are just starting here , so I have to wait for a few more weeks.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Yann on January 29, 2017, 01:08:04 PM
Hyacinthella glabrescens
Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis (i'll proceed a written test after you read name 3 times  ;D), grow in a pure calceorous substrat
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: YT on February 08, 2017, 02:38:11 PM
Muscari discolor, JJA 689.270
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Post by: Yann on February 17, 2017, 11:35:24 PM
Hyacinthella acutiloba JJA 570.950
In january 2009 i bought seeds surplus on ebay ,all mentionned from Jim.
The seeds were sown on march and first flowers come out this year, almost 8 years later  ::)
Last season the spike dried out.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Yann on February 25, 2017, 08:38:08 PM
Muscari muscarimi, never enough of the scent
Muscari chalusicum
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Post by: Chris Johnson on February 28, 2017, 11:22:04 AM
Muscari bourgaei
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Post by: Yann on March 04, 2017, 05:31:51 PM
Muscari armeniacum Baby's Breath
Muscari anatolicum
Hyacinthella JCA 18611 Turkey, Antalya
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 06, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
Hyacinthella lazulini ( at thst is how it came) trying to open in a frame open to the weather and a tiny trumpet daffodil from seed ex seed.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 06, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
Hyacinthoides aristides in an open frame in damp sand yesterday
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Post by: sokol on March 07, 2017, 07:51:05 PM
First Muscari comes very slowly into bloom outside, first flower, sawn in January 2015. It was completely out of the soil since January and increased very slowly since then.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: YT on March 11, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
Hyacinthella dalmatica ‘Grandiflora’. I have to remove soil surface every time :-\
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Post by: Yann on March 12, 2017, 04:43:44 PM
it's lovely Tatsuo, very compact

Bellevalia atroviolacea
Muscari latifolia
Muscari kerkis
Muscari commutatum
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: art600 on March 14, 2017, 11:09:16 PM
Muscari muscarimi

First photo taken March 9th

Second photo taken today

Scent in greenhouse is wonderful
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: WimB on March 16, 2017, 08:25:51 PM
Some plants from the same family:

Hyacinthella dalmatica
Hyacinthella glabrescens
Muscari anatolicum
Scilla armena
and Scilla bifolia 'Rosea'
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: WimB on March 17, 2017, 07:01:07 PM
When in bud, the colour's a strange kind of blue: Bellevalia pycnantha.
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Post by: Yann on March 19, 2017, 03:44:15 PM
a few more
Muscari pulchellium JKP 98024
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Yann on March 25, 2017, 05:21:10 PM
Muscari racemosum, Col Jérôme Cavalli. While searching for orchids i found an area with this very dark form.
another one, unknown ID from turkey
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 25, 2017, 06:26:05 PM
Very nice Yann.
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Post by: Maggi Young on March 25, 2017, 07:36:36 PM
I am hopeless at identifying these little blue bulbs - but I do like them!
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Post by: David Nicholson on March 28, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
Could anyone have a crack at this Muscari please? Doesn't seem to seed wildly.
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Post by: ashley on March 28, 2017, 09:38:29 PM
It looks like Muscari latifolium David.
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Post by: David Nicholson on March 28, 2017, 10:23:33 PM
Thanks Ashley, I did have seed from Kurt Vickery in 2009.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: WimB on March 30, 2017, 06:29:55 PM
Hyacinthoides reverchonii
Muscari armeniacum 'Touch of Snow'
and Muscari armeniacum 'Siberian Tiger'
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: WimB on March 31, 2017, 07:19:42 PM
Bellevalia pycnantha
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Post by: Johan K. on April 01, 2017, 09:55:16 PM
Muscari ambrosiacum

Muscari armeniacum
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Post by: WimB on April 09, 2017, 08:12:16 PM
Muscari armeniacum 'Manon'
Muscari botryoides 'Superstar'
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 19, 2017, 09:56:32 PM
Some muscari and Bellevalia in bloom now.
pink is Gul
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Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 21, 2017, 10:03:33 AM
Our only contribution at this time is Muscari parviflorum, hard to see without an added background! cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 22, 2017, 05:41:54 PM
Bellevalia crassa
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Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 22, 2017, 05:49:25 PM
Hyacinthoides mauritanica vincentina,
AGS 2010 seed ex #3489

The second image is an identical looking but unidentified scilla in the open garden.
Any idea on identity?
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 22, 2017, 05:53:11 PM
Hyacinthella JCA 18611
Turkey: Anatalya near Gundimus
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 22, 2017, 06:11:57 PM
Bellevalia Longistyla
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Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 26, 2017, 09:36:12 PM
Bellevalia Modesta -Turkey SRGC 2010 seed ex
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Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 26, 2017, 09:41:29 PM
Bellevalia romana - SRGC 2010 seed ex
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Carolyn on April 26, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
Hyacinthoides mauritanica vincentina,
AGS 2010 seed ex #3489

The second image is an identical looking but unidentified scilla in the open garden.
Any idea on identity?
Could it be scilla litardierei? I remember the first time i saw this flower - when it was in bud I began to think it was a muscari. It changes quite markedly when the flowers open. Very beautiful, in any case.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: johnw on April 27, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
Another mystery plant I receiveds from Vera Peck in 1996, the label says Gagea bithynica.  I never doubted the genus as like the rest of the Gageas this one never flowered until this year.  More when it opens.

Very slow as you can see, from 1 bulb to 5 in 21 years,  likely I'm to blame thinking it was a Gagea.

My notes says ex a Czech friend, c,w,; she got a lot from Vladimir Vasak but she as a Czech herself had so many contacts there it's hard to say who the collector was.

johnw
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Roma on April 27, 2017, 02:27:08 PM
I couldn't decide which picture to show so here is a sequence taken between the 1st and the 16th of April.
The pink is Muscari 'Pink Sunrise'
The white is Muscari 'White Magic'
Muscari 'touch of Snow' bicolour
and the lovely shiny dark blue is Muscari 'Blue Diamond'
There are a couple of rogues in there - a pale blue one at the back and the big one in the centre which has multiple small flowers on small stalks from the main stem
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: johnw on April 29, 2017, 04:03:26 PM
Well the mystery plant in Reply 39 has extended and this may be opened.  It's quite a bit darker than shown.

john
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 11, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
1) Muscari (syn Pseudomuscari) inconstrictum grown from AGS Seedex 2009;
2) Muscari commutatum from Goteborg Botanic Garden 2010; coll Greece; one of the plants in the pot is different with lighter coloured flowers - is it just variation or an interloper?
3) close up of "normal" flower;
4) close up of lighter flower;
What do others think?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: ashley on September 11, 2017, 05:24:40 PM
Any forms of M. commutatum that I've seen had dark teeth as well as a constricted mouth Fermi :-\ 
The white teeth of the Gothenburg plants might suggest M. neglectum or something similar.  Both nice though, whatever you want to call them ;) ;D
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: pehe on October 20, 2017, 11:47:13 AM
The autumn flowering Muscari aucheri Autumn Glory is flowering quite good this autumn.
The flowers start in September and continue until March. All pics from today.
The first two pics are from a pot placed in an open frame and the others are from the open garden.

Poul
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: sokol on October 20, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
Nice Muscari for the autumn. I did not know that it exists and I have never heard or red about it.
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Post by: pehe on October 20, 2017, 10:06:15 PM
Nice Muscari for the autumn. I did not know that it exists and I have never heard or red about it.

Thanks Stefan.
It is mentioned in Rod Leeds book Autumn Bulbs.
The history about it is in short form:

In the the 1950'es Ray Cobb received some Muscari aucheri bulbs from Ronald Ginns.
Some of them flowered in the autumn and these were selected by Ray and he named them Autumn Glory and distributed them under that name. I was so lucky to get 2 of these bulbs from Ray via a kind SRGC forum member.
Some years later  I contacted Ray Cobb directly, and got the story from him. He also send me some bulbs of another selection, which he named Winter Cheer. As the name indicates, these flower later than Autumn Glory, but before the regular aucheri.
Ray mentioned that they could be hybrids, but he was not sure.

Autumn Glory and Winter Cheer are both self fertile and I have seedlings of both, but I cannot say if they are autumn flowering too. The Autumn Glory seedlings flowered for the first time in this spring, but until now no autumn flowers has appeared.

Poul
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: sokol on October 21, 2017, 06:36:08 AM
Thanks Poul! Now I understand, why I haven't seen it in any bulb list.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2017
Post by: Yann on November 04, 2017, 10:58:37 AM
Muscari armeniacum is flowering!
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Post by: brianw on November 04, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
I have some "grape hyacinths" in flower at present. Don't know what they are but nothing special, except I thought last year when I planted them they were a pale blue. This year they are much darker; the usual mid/dark blue. Another group I have are nowhere near flowering yet so can't check if I have the 2 groups confused.
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