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Title: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 02, 2017, 05:47:35 AM
Happy New Year! May all your daffodils grow well in 2017 ;)

A chance seedling with well opened cream flowers.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 02, 2017, 07:35:58 AM
 We also wish you a very successful seeding year Tatsuo. We wish at the same time a lot of happiness for everyone. Happy New Year.  :)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 02, 2017, 09:33:50 AM
Hoping 2017 is a great year for all our daffy friends!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 06, 2017, 04:02:44 PM
Narcissus atlas gold x albida
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 06, 2017, 04:19:54 PM
This Narcissus is really very delicate beauty
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 07, 2017, 03:36:17 PM
Narcissus ‘Kōhō’
This yellow hoop was selected from seedlings of Monocot Nursery's "Narcissus bulbocodium var. conspicuus S.F.391 Spain, Ubrique" at a nursery in Japan. But I suppose it can be a hybrid origin. It is too early for 'true' conspicuus.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 07, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
I have a question that seems surely stupid ... I asked the question to one of the forum members by mail. I never got an answer. When you write "Narcissus bulbocodium var. Conspicuus SF391" ... What does SF391 mean or other series of figures that can be read?
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 07, 2017, 06:30:09 PM
Hello Fred, I guess you did not get my email from 27th December?  I'll send it again.
This is the most important part....
In this forum thread, http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.0)  there are many such references listed. I'm not sure who SF  is - but I'm sure another  person will know...

 Had a look at one of the lists posted in that other thread ....  it says  SF =  Forde, P.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 07, 2017, 11:17:28 PM
Thank you Maggi, I did not receive the email of December 27. Finally, I suspected that it had to be the abbreviations of the people from which the seeds or clones came. On the other hand I was far from suspecting that there could be as many ...  :o
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 08, 2017, 01:20:49 AM
Hello Fred, I guess you did not get my email from 27th December?  I'll send it again.
This is the most important part....
In this forum thread, http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.0)  there are many such references listed. I'm not sure who SF  is - but I'm sure another  person will know...

 Had a look at one of the lists posted in that other thread ....  it says  SF =  Forde, P.

Thank you, Maggi :) That thread is very useful for me, too!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 08, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
It was the RHS list that gave me that info for SF - which seemed to be an odd answer - wondering if it was a typo for SP ?!
 Kurt Vickery clarifies the matter with the  info that    SF ARE  Salmon and Fillan - Mike S and Mark F   ( sometimes shown as S&F )

 Thanks, Kurt  - must admit that does ring a bell  now!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 08, 2017, 02:19:16 PM
Narcissus albidus SF110 x bulbocodium praecox Moulay Brahim
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 09, 2017, 07:14:09 PM
A beautiful clone! ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 10, 2017, 04:46:38 AM
The photographic shots are for many as well. Cele highlights well the flowers and the plant.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 10, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
The first narcissus flowers are out on my raised bed. Still no cat digging since the track ballast was applied! (They are going in my frames instead  >:( )
Narcissus BD 03/53 - one of Brian Duncan's babies, Moroccan bulbocodiums x N. hedraeanthus bred to give short stems.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 10, 2017, 01:47:08 PM
That looks like scree beds, Anne 8)
Is BD 03/53 fertile?
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 10, 2017, 02:05:05 PM
The first narcissus flowers are out on my raised bed. Still no cat digging since the track ballast was applied! (They are going in my frames instead  >:( )
Narcissus BD 03/53 - one of Brian Duncan's babies, Moroccan bulbocodiums x N. hedraeanthus bred to give short stems.

Very beautiful Anne.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 10, 2017, 03:48:05 PM
That looks like scree beds, Anne 8)
Is BD 03/53 fertile?
I can't remember.  ???
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 10, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
That looks like scree beds, Anne 8)
Is BD 03/53 fertile?

As both parents are in the same section, they should be fertile. I'm not sure that I got any seeds on mine last year, but that would most likely have been down to the awful weather rather than any compatibility issues.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 10, 2017, 05:40:52 PM
The rocks on your daff bed give a very naturalistic effect. The pic with the wee daffs pushing through could have been taken in the wild! Gad they are also having the desired effect in deterring the feline vermin!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 10, 2017, 11:36:45 PM
Maybe I should cover the entire garden in track ballast! ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 11, 2017, 05:54:31 PM
Hercule's work for next spring Anne  ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 11, 2017, 06:07:52 PM
Well, we had an interesting day - our 'new' donated second-hand greenhouse was not happy with the strong winds today. This morning 3 panes of glass were out and the retaining clips of others were popping out all over the place! We quickly tried to put extra clips in as many as we could in the hope they would stay put.
We've had much stronger winds in our exposed position, so I've had to be sensible and cut our losses before we lose the plants inside.
I ordered a Rhino greenhouse to replace it today. I think we may have to remove all the plants and staging to erect it though. Hoping for a prolonged spell of good (or calm) weather.
Hercules' work for sooner!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on January 12, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Narcissus serontinus seedlings one month after being removed from three capsuls and sown on the surface of this mix. a clear cup was pla ed on top for humidity until green was showing.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 12, 2017, 06:13:31 PM
Growing well, Rimmer - but the  bulbs will have to expend a lot of energy getting themselves down to a  good depth and may take longer to flower because of that. So we have found here, anyway. 
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 12, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
It might be possible to top dress them with a light covering of fine potting mix or gritty sand to give them a bit more depth for protection? I'd be very worried about desiccation if they're forming at/close to the surface.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on January 12, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
Thanks for the advice.
I dumped some turface and sand on top.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 13, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
Weather not very nice today  so Ian retreated to bulbhouse to look at hoop petticoat narcissus

http://youtu.be/rsxHtBWbGWc (https://youtu.be/rsxHtBWbGWc)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 14, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Narcissus romieuxii var. mesatlanticus :)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 14, 2017, 02:47:52 PM
So compact as always, Tatsuo. Yours is about a 10th of the height of mine  ;D

Daff season is certainly here:

Narcissus romieuxii mesatlanticus
Narcissus bulbocodium citrinus
Narcissus 'Limey Lass ' a Brian Duncan hybrid, which is very floriferous and increases well
Narcissus 'Lemon Flare' - another from BD
Also, a side-by-side comparison of flowers from each of BD's hybrids ('Lemon Flare' left, 'Limey Lass' right)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 14, 2017, 02:51:37 PM
Narcissus jonquilla 'Twinkling Yellow'
Narcissus Galantoquilla Group - another from Brian Duncan, a demure little thing and increasing well here
Narcissus romieuxii JCA805 'Treble Chance'
Narcissus AW2798-3 - two shots of this lovely early trumpet bred by Anne Wright. I think this plant may now have a name?
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 14, 2017, 10:35:43 PM
It's called Rudolf. Not registered yet  :-[
Galantoquilla is in bud outside here - hoping it will accompany the snowdrops!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 15, 2017, 01:03:22 PM
So compact as always, Tatsuo. Yours is about a 10th of the height of mine  ;D

This seedling is one of the smallest hoops I have ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 15, 2017, 01:17:18 PM
Lovely daffs, Matt :D

Does Narcissus jonquilla 'Twinkling Yellow' always bloom at this time?
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 15, 2017, 05:32:08 PM
Lovely daffs, Matt :D

Does Narcissus jonquilla 'Twinkling Yellow' always bloom at this time?

My jonquils are all earlier than usual this year. Normally I wouldn't even have much foliage showing yet, let alone flowers. Others are not far behind.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 15, 2017, 09:13:36 PM
Some of the hoop section flowering prettily in the mild weather.
Craigton Chorister - one of Ian's beauties
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 15, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
Narcissus 2762c1 cantabricus x romieuxii Atlas Gold
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 15, 2017, 09:17:22 PM
Narcissus 2767c1 'Julia Jane' x bulbocodium praecox 'Moulay Brahim'. I hope I don't have to write many of those labels  ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 15, 2017, 09:36:14 PM
Narcissus 2762c1 cantabricus x romieuxii Atlas Gold

Very nice hem recurved back.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on January 15, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
Narcissus 2767c1 'Julia Jane' x bulbocodium praecox 'Moulay Brahim'. I hope I don't have to write many of those labels  ::)

 :D  ;D  :D
The labels must be large.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
Very tall choir you've got there Anne!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 16, 2017, 11:13:31 AM
wouah Anne some nice hybrids shown here!!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: johnw on January 16, 2017, 02:37:02 PM
Very tall choir you've got there Anne!


Complete with two castrati to the right.   ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 16, 2017, 06:53:16 PM
Narcissus 2767c1 'Julia Jane' x bulbocodium praecox 'Moulay Brahim'. I hope I don't have to write many of those labels  ::)
  Then, give it a short name, quick!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 17, 2017, 01:33:06 PM
Narcissus 2767c1 'Julia Jane' x bulbocodium praecox 'Moulay Brahim'. I hope I don't have to write many of those labels  ::)
It's one of the best early blooming yellow with nearly flat cup :D Good breeding work, Anne ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 17, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
So compact as always, Tatsuo. Yours is about a 10th of the height of mine  ;D

Daff season is certainly here:

Narcissus romieuxii mesatlanticus
Narcissus bulbocodium citrinus
Narcissus 'Limey Lass ' a Brian Duncan hybrid, which is very floriferous and increases well
Narcissus 'Lemon Flare' - another from BD
Also, a side-by-side comparison of flowers from each of BD's hybrids ('Lemon Flare' left, 'Limey Lass' right)
The comparison of Lemon Flare is interesting - when you put them together like that you can see the limey tint on Limey Lass - definitely a cooler shade of yellow.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 17, 2017, 06:16:00 PM
Very tall choir you've got there Anne!
They were a lot shorter when they started, the mild weather is not doing our stems many favours!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 17, 2017, 06:16:36 PM
  Then, give it a short name, quick!
Working on it!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 17, 2017, 08:35:50 PM
The comparison of Lemon Flare is interesting - when you put them together like that you can see the limey tint on Limey Lass - definitely a cooler shade of yellow.

The bulb frame was awash with so many flowers from them both I was keen to get my eye in and pin down their differences. Definitely a cooler colour to Limey Lass and I think the corona of Lemon Flare is also rather more flared and slightly ruffled. 
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 17, 2017, 11:08:20 PM
The bulb frame was awash with some many flowers form them both I was keen to get my eye in and pin down their differences. Definitely a cooler colour to Limey Lass and I think the corona of Lemon Flare is also rather more flared and slightly ruffled.
They are prolific, the pair of them.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 18, 2017, 09:17:50 AM
Narcissus cantabricus subsp. monophyllus SBL545 x SF389
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 18, 2017, 10:15:24 AM
Looking lovely in your conditions, Tatsuo.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on January 20, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
Narcissus romieuxii x N. bulbocodium, this from Ron Mudd back in 2012 who got it from the Wallis'

N. bulbocodium ssp. genuinus
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 21, 2017, 05:18:03 PM
What a lovely fresh lemon colour!
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 21, 2017, 09:40:33 PM
Narcissus albidus 8853
Narcissus romieuxii julia jane in a small 7x7x10 pot
Narcissus romieuxii atlas gold
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: ArnoldT on January 23, 2017, 12:52:39 AM
Narcissus romieuxii
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Roma on January 23, 2017, 10:22:36 PM
I noticed a few Narcissus leaves a few weeks ago in my pot of Ipheion (can't remember it's current name and can't be bothered looking it up) 'Alberto Castillo'.  Spotted a bit of yellow and thought that's not 'Alberto'.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 24, 2017, 02:13:51 PM
Narcissus cantabricus subsp. monophyllus SBL545 x SF389
The same pot today.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 25, 2017, 08:24:17 AM
A seedling of Narcissus romieuxii var. mesatlanticus ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 25, 2017, 08:38:21 AM
Daff season well and truly started now - great to see all the hoops posted. Tatsuo, your strange split narcissus will appeal to the lovers of 'spikey' snowdrops, it will be interesting to see if it is stable.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 25, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
Tatsuo, your strange split narcissus will appeal to the lovers of 'spikey' snowdrops, it will be interesting to see if it is stable.
I think its split trait is stable.
The seedling in the pictures above came from self pollinated seeds by this parent, N. romieuxii var. mesatlanticus ‘Tsukubanohanabi’.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 26, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
Narcissus bulbocodium Mary Poppins
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 26, 2017, 07:07:00 PM
She's lovely, Michael. Not one I'd come across, but then Daffseek (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Mary%20Poppins&lastpage=1&amp) tells me she was only registered in 2015. One to covet, hope she becomes more widely available.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 26, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
Very pretty, Michael. Nice pale colour too.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: ArnoldT on January 28, 2017, 08:52:17 PM
Narcissus romieuxii mesatlanticus
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 29, 2017, 01:10:40 PM
Spring is in the air?

Narcissus cantabricus blanchard 8020
Narcissus albidus subsp orientalis
Narcissus x Don Stead (thanks Ian for this strong hybrid)
a Seedling...
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: François on January 29, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
Beautiful flowers Anne !
Here after the weather turned warmer your 'Rudolph' is finally getting to bloom. It is planted in the open ground and two weeks of negative temperatures do not seem to have bothered it.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: François on January 29, 2017, 02:10:34 PM
 Yann, 'Don Stead' here is much shorter. Kept outside it survived the negative temperatures but as it gets lots of sun it hasn't elongated... I like it this way though. You're right it's a strong one !
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 29, 2017, 07:41:04 PM
Great to see Rudolf! Yann - beautiful pure whites.  :D
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 29, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
The hoop section is in full flow now.
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Narcissus cantabricus x Romieuxii 'Atlas Gold'
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Seedling from N. albidus SF110
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Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane' x Narcissus bulbocodium praecox Moulay Brahim, selected clone 1 (I know....)
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Narcissus Mrs McGee
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Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on January 29, 2017, 07:46:48 PM
The lovely Narcissus cantabricus laciniatus
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The BD's super-vigorous Craigton Clumper
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Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Yann on January 29, 2017, 07:48:16 PM
Anne i think it's a romieuxii seedling, it was growing for 3 years in a mix of sand and pumice.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 30, 2017, 06:11:31 AM
Narcissus cantabricus x Romieuxii 'Atlas Gold'
Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane' x Narcissus bulbocodium praecox Moulay Brahim, selected clone 1 (I know....)

I like your yellow discs, Anne :P
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: YT on January 30, 2017, 06:25:49 AM
Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides x N. romieuxii
A seedling bred in 2013 opens its first flower at last :)
2 more seedlings are coming soon.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on January 30, 2017, 02:33:05 PM
N. albidus
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Graeme on January 31, 2017, 06:40:36 PM
wonderful photos - something else I need to start growing
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: François Lambert on February 01, 2017, 11:38:25 AM
wonderful photos - something else I need to start growing

I ordered some seeds of these beauties from the last Seed exchange  :)  Hopefully I will be rewarded in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on February 01, 2017, 01:14:18 PM
In bloom in the glasshouse. Narcissus hybrid "Viridiflora III"  :D

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Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: Cfred72 on February 01, 2017, 01:19:03 PM
Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia jane'

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Title: Re: Narcissus January 2017
Post by: annew on February 01, 2017, 08:33:13 PM
I do like these green flowers.
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