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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Rick Goodenough on January 01, 2017, 08:40:34 PM
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A cold winter day on January 1, and with the weak sun G. 'Remember Remember' has opened up again here in New England.
Happy New Year SRGC friends!
Rick
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G. 'Standing Tall' just about to open up today, New Years 2017, well before it is standing as tall as its name.
Rick
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Happy New 'Drops, everyone!
Here's the fun you get from growing from seeds.
The exciting part of growing green-marked snowdrops is the sneak preview you get when the bud emerges. This is a sister seedling to the ipoc shown in December's post - this one has only a single mark.
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These are Trymlet x South Hayes - 3 different clones, 2 out of 3 will be ipocs.
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Trimmer x Trymlet - a single mark ipoc
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One of Hagen's greens x Viridapice - will it have a green tip? Since Viridapice is reputedly triploid, the hybrid may well be also (unless it has selfed).
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There will also be disappointments though - this one is South Hayes x Spindlestone Surprise. Well, it was worth a try! :-
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And this is what happens when you turn your back for a moment - a new variety to be launched this spring is taken by slugs.
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A rather blurry picture of Galanthus Mrs Macnamara taken yesterday.
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Oh dear, my resolve has melted already and it's only January 3rd! I just had to order a snowdrop from Avon 8)
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Oh dear, my resolve has melted already and it's only January 3rd! I just had to order a snowdrop from Avon 8)
What a wuss! Still, they do say that recognising one has a problem is the first step to a cure!! [attachimg=1]
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What a wuss! Still, they do say that recognising one has a problem is the first step to a cure!! (Attachment Link)
You mean there is a cure??
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You mean you want a cure?
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You mean you want a cure?
Now that is a good question Anne, I think we both know the answer ;D ;D
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Of course there is a cure - turn your attention instead to the celebratory world of Crocus - or the enticing galaxy of Erythronium - simples!!
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.. or the enticing galaxy of Erythronium - simples!!
I am trying, you know I am trying, but 'Lost cause' comes to mind ;)
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How about daffs then? MUCH more fun!
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How about daffs then? MUCH more fun!
But too late to offer any competition to snowdrops. I have one daffodil in flower now, a lovely one called 'Cedric Morris'. 'Rijnveld's Early Sensation' will be along in a few weeks and after that its a wait until March.
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Yes my 'Cedric Morris' has also been in flower for a week, and Daphne 'Jacqueline Postil' is full of buds and virtually hitting next door's roof guttering ;D
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I have been trying to find 'Cedric Morris' for ages. Doesn't seem to be available any more.
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I have been trying to find 'Cedric Morris' for ages. Doesn't seem to be available any more.
Joe Sharman generally has one or two available at Monksilver nursery. If you see him in the snowdrop season he would bring it I am sure.
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Thanks Brian.
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Beth Chatto stocks N. Cedric Morris but website indicates currently out of stock
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I have been trying to find 'Cedric Morris' for ages. Doesn't seem to be available any more.
Déjà vu ;D
We just had this discussion last month on the Narcissus Thread!
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14929.45 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14929.45)
cheers
fermi
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I thought it seemed familiar!
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I worked in a greenhouse for two days. Tomorrow I will give my eyes a rest. :)
Some photos from my greenhouse.
Galanthus lagodechianus s.str. today
Some Galanthus woronowii today
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Some Galanthus plicatus
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Some Galanthus plicatus
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Great snowdrops Ru.
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So many gems, Ru!
The dissection pix remind me of the ones Ian has made in the past - so interesting.
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We have often discussed the false selling of expensive, named snowdrops on Ebay etc but here is a reminder that those selling "ordinary 'drops - and other bulbs- can also be crooked.... http://www.hortweek.com/illegal-bulb-trader-prosecuted/ornamentals/article/1419628 (http://www.hortweek.com/illegal-bulb-trader-prosecuted/ornamentals/article/1419628)
Illegal bulb trader prosecuted 3 January 2017, by Matthew Appleby,
A man harvested thousands of wild flower bulbs from a beauty spot so he could illegally sell them on the internet.
William Robson Adams, 64, has been fined £370. Police raided Adams' home at Great Orton, Cumbria, where they found around 5,000 wild snowdrop bulbs.
Locals noticed the flowers were missing and an investigation by the National Wildlife Crime Unit, working with local police officers found Adams had been digging up the bulbs at woodland in Dalston, Cumbria.
At Carlisle's magistrates' court, he admitted uprooting and trading in wild plant bulbs.
Police said he was a plant trader selling the bulbs online through Ebay and Amazon. The plants included bluebells, wild garlic and snowdrops, all of which are protected by the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.
Snowdrops are also protected under a section of the Control of Trade in Endangered Species (Enforcement) Regulations 1997, so they can only be sold if they have been legally acquired or lawfully imported. It is strictly against the law to take them from the wild and this means that their sale is a criminal offence.
Adams was charged with three offences of uprooting wild plants – snowdrops, bluebells, and wild garlic - and one of keeping unlawfully acquired snowdrops for sale.
He also faced a charge of fraud by misrepresentation, because he had advertised plants for sale as artificially propagated, when they had actually been unlawfully uprooted. Adams admitted all the offences.
The 5,000 bulbs which Adams took were all seized and then later replanted back into the wild by local volunteers.
Magistrates gave Adams maximum credit after hearing that he had fully cooperated with the police investigation. As well as the fines, he must pay a £20 victim surcharge and £85 costs.
Andy McWilliam, from the National Wildlife Crime Unit, said: "Basically, it’s an offence to uproot any wild plant.
"The law is there to protect species which would be at risk if the trade in them wasn’t controlled and people thought there was money to be made. We do occasionally get bits of intelligence that people are involved in this sort of illegal."
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A shame he wasn't fined at £20 a bulb.
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Derisory fine!
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I agree >:(
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Galanthus 'Eilys Elisabeth Hartley'. Named in the memory of a baby girl, I was hoping to launch this variety this spring, but the potted bulb was eaten! Here are the stock bulbs in growth.
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A nice Christmas present from the local cats which they left in one of my plunge frames :-X
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We have often discussed the false selling of expensive, named snowdrops on Ebay etc but here is a reminder that those selling "ordinary 'drops - and other bulbs- can also be crooked.... http://www.hortweek.com/illegal-bulb-trader-prosecuted/ornamentals/article/1419628 (http://www.hortweek.com/illegal-bulb-trader-prosecuted/ornamentals/article/1419628)
Arrgghh...also amazed at the slap on the hand. Such abuse would slow to a crawl if they would throw the book at these creeps. Did authorities or rightful owners ever find the culprits who made off with G. e. 'Carolyn Elwes'?
Most ne'er-do-well here would not know a Snowdrop from a white dandelion.
Rick
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Galanthus 'Eilys Elizabeth Hartley'. Named in the memory of a Welsh Baby girl, I was hoping to launch this variety this spring, but the potted bulb was eaten! Here are the stock bulbs in growth.
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A nice Christmas present from the local cats which they left in one of my plunge frames :-X
Anne, those darn cats...that is a beauty and I look forward to the day I can add it here. Is there more you can tell of the Welsh baby girl?
Rick
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Galanthus 'Eilys Elizabeth Hartley'. Named in the memory of a Welsh Baby girl, I was hoping to launch this variety this spring, but the potted bulb was eaten! Here are the stock bulbs in growth.
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A nice Christmas present from the local cats which they left in one of my plunge frames :-X
A lovely new snowdrop Anne...unlike the present >:(
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Happy to have drops blooming today 5 January 2017, G. 'Handel' and G. gracilis.
Rick
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G. reginae-olgae still in flower here, a tad tattered from one brutally cold day in mid-December but standing tall.
I checked into the usual weather chanel on the internet this morning and clicked short range forecast, remarkably it said snow starting at 9:40 till 9:51 and a repeat at 11:50. I was stunned as the timing was spot on to the very minute.
john
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A shame he wasn't fined at £20 a bulb.
Plus the return of all monies from eBay transactions and payable to the group that replanted the stolen ones or to the park in question. The rat got off too lightly.
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We have often discussed the false selling of expensive, named snowdrops on Ebay etc but here is a reminder that those selling "ordinary 'drops - and other bulbs- can also be crooked.... http://www.hortweek.com/illegal-bulb-trader-prosecuted/ornamentals/article/1419628 (http://www.hortweek.com/illegal-bulb-trader-prosecuted/ornamentals/article/1419628)
The pure economics of this fine are hopeless, 5000 bulbs, going rate of £100 for 100 bulbs on Ebay, less fine and costs = £4525 PBT or 91% margin. He has probably already dug them back up!!
Going rate established by a simple check on Ebay today before posting:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-Single-Snowdrop-Galanthus-Nivalis-Spring-Flowering-CHEAP-/131642606639?hash=item1ea682c42f:g:PZoAAOSw~bFWNoBx (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-Single-Snowdrop-Galanthus-Nivalis-Spring-Flowering-CHEAP-/131642606639?hash=item1ea682c42f:g:PZoAAOSw~bFWNoBx)
or higher
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-Single-Snowdrop-Galanthus-Nivalis-Spring-Flowering-CHEAP-/131889293619?hash=item1eb536e933:g:9BcAAOSwtnpXl0vZ (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-Single-Snowdrop-Galanthus-Nivalis-Spring-Flowering-CHEAP-/131889293619?hash=item1eb536e933:g:9BcAAOSwtnpXl0vZ)
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Hold on, I agree the fine seems cheap but the going rate I found for 50 snowdrop bulbs on eBay was £10 or less. So I think the value of 5000 bulbs is nearer £1000 (of which something like 15% would go to eBay and Paypal in commission).
The article says:
Magistrates gave Adams maximum credit after hearing that he had fully cooperated with the police investigation. As well as the fines, he must pay a £20 victim surcharge and £85 costs.
So in my estimate he will have to pay about half the sum he might have hoped to make, and that is after the "maximum credit" he got for being co-operative.
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Alan - Are you certain he sold them all as artificially-propagated nivalis? I'd bet some were sold as expensive named forms given the man's past behaviour. His assault on this native stand alone merits a hefty fine.
johnw
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G. reginae-olgae still in flower here, a tad tattered from one brutally cold day in mid-December but standing tall.
I checked into the usual weather chanel on the internet this morning and clicked short range forecast, remarkably it said snow starting at 9:40 till 9:51 and a repeat at 11:50. I was stunned as the timing was spot on to the very minute.
john
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With us they have just finished blooming. They started in October
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Alan - Are you certain he sold them all as artificially-propagated nivalis?
I'm not certain about anything to do with this case. But nor am I certain that all the named snowdrops we grow ourselves were originally acquired in a manner that is totally above-board. Some, like 'Three Ships' have a detailed back-story about exactly where they came from and why they are not still there. Ian Christie's Brechin Castle snowdrops also come to mind. Many, like 'Green Light' and sister plant 'Charlotte Jean' were collected with the permission of the landowner but from a location that is undisclosed to preserve the site and to preserve the owner from inconvenience. However I suspect there remain some that were originally taken from locations such as verges where the landowner was not apparent or easily-traced and maybe even a few that were taken without any attempt to ask permission from the landowner or taken in the knowledge that permission, if sought, would not be granted.
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Hold on, I agree the fine seems cheap but the going rate I found for 50 snowdrop bulbs on eBay was £10 or less. So I think the value of 5000 bulbs is nearer £1000 (of which something like 15% would go to eBay and Paypal in commission).
The article says:
So in my estimate he will have to pay about half the sum he might have hoped to make, and that is after the "maximum credit" he got for being co-operative.
This article states that he was fined £370 plus the £20 victim surcharge and £85 costs - still doesn't sound enough
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news-1265a8ab-d48b-41b5-a7d5-600dac1edcc7-ds (http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news-1265a8ab-d48b-41b5-a7d5-600dac1edcc7-ds)
cheers
fermi
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Who has never been tempted to collect seeds, cuttings, a plant ... In nature or in a garden ... From there to depopulate a site to trade, it is something else ... Not so long ago, plant hunters would have devastated entire regions for trade. However, I agree. Once a species or site is protected, do not touch. This is the problem I encounter with my wooded plot and its Narcissus pseudonarcissus. http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14171.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14171.0)
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This article states that he was fined £370 plus the £20 victim surcharge and £85 costs - still doesn't sound enough
I wholeheartedly agree as a general case but in this particular instance the magistrate chose to exercise leniency because the perpetrator had cooperated with the police. I don't want to criticise the magistrate for that decision because I was not there to hear the full facts of the case.
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A few snowdrops in bloom today. The third and fourth day of flowering. Tint enhanced with time. Pollen on the petals do not. I was looking through a microscope. I can make a macro photo.
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Hi There,
Mrs Macnamara is making another strong challenge for 'Snowdrop of the Year' round here. I do hope this rather exposed clump sees a little sunshine before the next band of weather sweeps in!
Tim DH
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I know how you feel, Tim. Trying to get the flowers to open for a photo is a losing battle! I took some of potted one inside yesterday, the scent was fabulous!
Galanthus Colossus
Galanthus Dryad Gold Sovereign 1
Galanthus Faringdon Double 1
Galanthus Faringdon Double 1 close.
Galanthus Fieldgate Prelude 2
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More out now.
Galanthus Franz Josef
Galanthus Franz Josef close
Galanthus Selborne Greentips close
Galanthus Selborne Greentips
Galanthus Sutton Courtenay 1
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Last few.
Galanthus Trimmer 3
Galanthus Warburg No5- 2
Galanthus Yvonne-2
Galanthus Vic Horton 1
Galanthus Margery Fish
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Hi Anne,
Thanks for the selection of photos... If you include the cultivar names in the text of the message then there is a chance that the search engine will find them. So... in a few months time... if someone wants to know what eg 'Margery Fish' looks like the search engine might bring up your post.
Tim DH
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absolute fine series of pictures Anne :)
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Lovely Anne and appreciated on this cold day as we ascend to the freezing point. Is there a chance of a close-up of the markings on 'Fieldgate Prelude'? My Fieldgates are muddled.
john
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Hi Anne,
Thanks for the selection of photos... If you include the cultivar names in the text of the message then there is a chance that the search engine will find them. So... in a few months time... if someone wants to know what eg 'Margery Fish' looks like the search engine might bring up your post.
Tim DH
By the magic of Maggi, the names appeared! Wonder if she can do the same with all my labels.... ::) Will try harder next time.
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Lovely Anne and appreciated on this cold day as we ascend to the freezing point. Is there a chance of a close-up of the markings on 'Fieldgate Prelude'? My Fieldgates are muddled.
john
Does this help? Fieldgate Prelude.
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And these - although Fieldgate Superb is very late flowering.
Fieldgate Forte
Fieldgate Superb
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Thanks Anne. With both the markings seem to fade unpredictably especially in the upper halves, the only guide seems to be the swollen feet of the lower halves. Still at a loss.
1 - Fieldgate Prelude?
2 - Fieldgate Superb
3 - Fieldgate Superb
4 - Fieldgate Prelude or Superb
Flowering times are compressed here but looking at old pix from the ghouse the Prelude? does seem to flower a month ahead of the other but hard to say what other variables were at play.
john
a balmy 1c, broken clouds
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Goodness knows how they'd behave in your climate, John, but here Fieldgate Prelude is one of the first to flower, and Fieldgate Superb practically the last. F.Superb is also much larger and beefier.
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Super photos Anne (or Barrie).
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Anne
Nice pics. Are the plants in open ground or sheltered in some way? Thanks
Steve
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Steve, The plants were in pots in an unheated frame. Now in the greenhouse awaiting new owners! ;D
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Do you ever buy a snowdrop, or more, plant/pot them then forget where you put them? That's happened to many I know I got last year. Maybe its an age thing :-X
On a plus side I forgot I bought 'Green Tear' last year and see it has two flowering noses this year
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My Greenfinch has been very odd since I bought it around 10 years ago. My only photo is from 2007 so I guess I bought it in 2006. Since then it has mostly not appeared or put up a weak leaf.
Last year I was amazed when it appeared after a few years absence and flowered. Not only that it had a daughter bulb
This year it looks like there will be 3 flowering bulbs!!!
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Do you ever buy a snowdrop, or more, plant/pot them then forget where you put them? That's happened to many I know I got last year. Maybe its an age thing :-X
On a plus side I forgot I bought 'Green Tear' last year and see it has two flowering noses this year
I'd go with the pluses!
And yes, I do spend an inordinate amount of time searching pot labels.
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My Greenfinch has been very odd since I bought it around 10 years ago. My only photo is from 2007 so I guess I bought it in 2006. Since then it has mostly not appeared or put up a weak leaf.
Last year I was amazed when it appeared after a few years absence and flowered. Not only that it had a daughter bulb
This year it looks like there will be 3 flowering bulbs!!!
Another plus!
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I've taken to double labeling pots... Just in case the blackbirds decide to have a game of label tossing. Also I've started writing on the top and the bottom of labels, just in case the top snaps off!
Tim DH
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An unnamed elwesii seedling that has been in flower for some time now. Maybe one day it will qualify to join the ranks of the 'Earlies'? It has the virtue of not being a Hiemalis Group type.
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I suppose that the X is repeated three times if one turns around the flower.
It could be called "Triple X" or "xxx". ;D :-X :-X :-X
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The winter weather has not delayed important deliveries. One example of the super quality bulbs that arrived today from Paul Barney.
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You'll enjoy that one Matt it is one of the reliable heralds of the season :D
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It could be called "Triple X" or "xxx"...
I wonder if that would leave some purchasers disappointed? I thought the 'bottom half' of the mark (towards the apex) looked like an inverted V but the 'top half' was less distinct, like a reflection in the rippled water at the shore of a lake. But perhaps that's just my more fanciful imagination at work?
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Wonderful to see the earlier Snowdrops brining in the main season. Alan, I have a soft spot for those with a clear X, fun to see yours. XXX is clever....ha ha.
I am growing several late fall bloomers that were about to open up in mid December and have only begun to do so today with much warmer weather for the moment. This is a first year G. reginae-olgae vernalis 'Alex Duguid' and I am pleased with the amount of growth showing.
Rick
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This is a first year G. reginae-olgae vernalis 'Alex Duguid' and I am pleased with the amount of growth showing.
Love it Rick, but it doesn't play ball here, some years it does well, some it doesn't. I find it one of the most fickle, last year (2015) it was but a couple of blades of grass - literally, this year a flowering clump and it has done it before, but when it does come it gives me a great deal of joy as it is such a robust drop in the face of the winter weather.
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The winter weather has not delayed important deliveries. One example of the super quality bulbs that arrived today from Paul Barney.
Yes, my bulbs from Paul were also of super quality. Maybe in the spirit of publicly encouraging good-quality suppliers we should mention that Paul is trading as Edulis; I checked on the web and it seems to be just Edulis without Nursery after it.
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Love it Rick, but it doesn't play ball here, some years it does well, some it doesn't. I find it one of the most fickle, last year (2015) it was but a couple of blades of grass - literally, this year a flowering clump and it has done it before, but when it does come it gives me a great deal of joy as it is such a robust drop in the face of the winter weather.
Thank you Brian, yes I have seen some variability, not so much as you just yet. Last year it first opened its blooms in November and now not until January this round.
It needs to fare well in nasty weather to survive here. ;D
Rick
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Yes, my bulbs from Paul were also of super quality. Maybe in the spirit of publicly encouraging good-quality suppliers we should mention that Paul is trading as Edulis; I checked on the web and it seems to be just Edulis without Nursery after it.
Quite so - http://www.edulis.co.uk/ (http://www.edulis.co.uk/) - full details in the SRGC links pages.
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Is Galanthus plicatus 'Bill Clark' difficult to flower? I bought a bulb in the fall of 2015. I planted it in a glasshouse pot. He made foliage but did not bloom.
In September 2016, I replenished the bulb in a new mixture. There were five in the pot.
This year, while G. plicatus "Trumps" and G. plicatus "Diggory" will flourish, "Bill Clark" is still only leaves.
Is there anything to do to bring it to bloom next year?
I cultivate it like the others with mould leaf, gravel and garden soil and bone powder for repotage. Afterwards I put potassium when the foliage is well developed.
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Galanthus plicatus ‘Colossus’
A generous formist in Scotland sent me the bulbs last autumn. I'm so happy :) :) :)
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Galanthus plicatus 'Bill Clark' originates from Wandlebury Ring, close to Cambridge and near where I live. The soil here tends to be chalky, certainly alkaline, so perhaps that is what this snowdrop likes? Also from this area are 'Wendy's Gold', Wandlebury Ring' and 'Madeleine' so if you can grow any of these successfully then 'Bill Clark' would probably like the same treatment.
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Is it for all G. plicatus alike or just the ones you quote. We live in our area on blue stone resources. This stone is limestone and I can access without problem to a granulometry that I want. I could add in the pot if needed. Here are three photos taken in the glasshouse just now.
1) Bill Clark
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2) Trumps
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3) Diggory
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Castle Green Dragon almost in flower.
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The ones I quote all come from a large and well-established colony of G. plicatus. Assuming the original snowdrops arrived there about 1860 then there will have been many generations since and it seems fair to assume that what is there now has undergone a process of natural selection so that it is well-suited to local conditions. Although I do not know this for certain, it is very likely that the local conditions are of alkaline soil.
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The ones I quote all come from a large and well-established colony of G. plicatus. Assuming the original snowdrops arrived there about 1860 then there will have been many generations since and it seems fair to assume that what is there now has undergone a process of natural selection so that it is well-suited to local conditions. Although I do not know this for certain, it is very likely that the local conditions are of alkaline soil.
Thank you, Alan. I'll try the approach in an alkaline way. We may see a change next year.
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A few snowdrops out here:
Ailwyn
Godfrey Owen
John Gray
Gray's Child
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Five days later, having weathered a couple of storms (I did hear of 60mph gusts locally), that little clump of Mrs Macnamara got to see some sunshine!
Tim DH
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Galanthus plicatus ‘Colossus’
A generous formist in Scotland sent me the bulbs last autumn. I'm so happy :) :) :)
Only Tatsuo could grow such a compact Colossus!
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Truth be told, 'Colossus' is not aptly named. The leaves may have grown long by the end of the season but at flowering time it is much the same size as any other snowdrop and there are other snowdrops with larger flowers or taller scapes. Perhaps there should be something in the ICNCP rules to prohibit names that might not not stand up to scrutiny or pass the test of time?
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As rain is falling, Snowdrops are finally growing here...
The 'Faringdon Doubles' I received from Anne last Summer have been blooming for about a month. 8 bulbs, 8 flowers. (Anne, thank you they're beautiful !) The ones already there last year are only beginning... but this little clump is already easy on the eye.
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Is Galanthus plicatus 'Bill Clark' difficult to flower?
My experience with 'Bill Clark' is that I planted one bulb in summer of 2013. It came up early in January 2014, and got damaged but the frosts and suffered because of that. Next year it came up later (I have noticed now that all newly planted snowdrops come up earlier here than then following year, it is like the first year they come up at the time they were used to in the UK, and then they adjust to our climate and come up later in the following years) and flowered in 2015. Last spring 2016 it also flowered but it hasn't multiplied at all the same rate as 'Mrs Macnamara' or 'Diggory' which I also planted in summer 2013. 'Wendy's Gold' grows close by, and it has been a little better increaser, but not as good as MM or D. This picture was taken last year April 10th of 'Bill Clark', in the background there is 'Mrs Macnamara', also planted one bulb in 2013 and now a good clump. So for me 'Bill Clark' has flowered, but not multiplied, so it seems to be not so easy as some others. Maybe I should also add more chalk to the ground to see if it helps.
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A generous formist in Scotland sent me the bulbs last autumn. I'm so happy :) :) :)
I was thinking the mark is too big for Colossus
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In 2015 I decided to start chipping snowdrops again. Bulbs were cut in 4, 6 or 8. I might have cut very big bulbs in to 10. Very happy to see 'Maidwell C' and 'Wind Turbine' have flowers this year. I think I'll remove these. I didn't chip in 2016. My list was too big and I couldn't make up my mind what to do from not
I'm down to only 1 'Maidwell C' in the garden. I'll have to chip it.
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I suspect that part of the reason chipping frequently outpaces natural division is that the chipped bulbs put all their energy into growth and none into flowers. Does removing the flower bud also help to focus energy into growth or is it too late by then?
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I suspect that part of the reason chipping frequently outpaces natural division is that the chipped bulbs put all their energy into growth and none into flowers. Does removing the flower bud also help to focus energy into growth or is it too late by then?
Chips have more energy to put in to a new larger bulb. Good question about removing the flower. Ian Young, Anne Wright and Brian Duncan will probably know
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In 2015 I decided to start chipping snowdrops again. Bulbs were cut in 4, 6 or 8. I might have cut very big bulbs in to 10. Very happy to see 'Maidwell C' and 'Wind Turbine' have flowers this year. I think I'll remove these. I didn't chip in 2016. My list was too big and I couldn't make up my mind what to do from not
I'm down to only 1 'Maidwell C' in the garden. I'll have to chip it.
I think I have read that this cutting of the bulb occurs when the plant comes to rest? Is not it? Can you remind us of the protocol to do that? Or maybe we redirect to a link?
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Search the forum using the "search " button, near top LEFT hand side of each page , Fred - using chipping as your search and you'll find quite a lot of information. Most relevant perhaps, are these :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2042.00 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2042.00)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14013.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14013.0)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9912.msg265366#msg265366 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9912.msg265366#msg265366) etc !
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I certainly use too many terms in research. I had put: "scaling bulbs". Can we write in French or do it in English?
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The language of the forum is English.
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Yes, i see that in english it works better ;)
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In the opinion of Ian and myself - there is no point in removing a flower from a bulb to "save" it energy - by the nature of a formation of a bulb flower during the previous season, the bulk of the energy needed has already been used by the time the flower is visible. It has been there in the bulb over the previous season. The flower and the stem will add to the bulb's capacity to make chlorophyll and so store energy for the next year. There is a chance that cutting a flower off allows pathogens to enter.
It is then a matter of choice whether one wishes to take that same chance when removing a spent flower to prevent seed set, if one believes that making seed is a big drain on the bulb. Many of us believe, in the light of the fact that bulbs ripening seed will keep their foliage green for far longer than those not setting seed, that the benefit in setting seed to the building of a new bulb is greater than the "strain" of making seed. So it is possible to have a flower, seed and a nice fat new bulb!
I believe Ian will have covered this before in Bulb Logs.
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Thanks. I will enjoy the flowers
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A favourite species, and looks like it's increasing! Galanthus koenenianus, with the distinctive ridged backs to its leaves.
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Has anyone heard from Paul Tyerman recently?
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They're gorgeous
A favourite species, and looks like it's increasing! Galanthus koenenianus, with the distinctive ridged backs to its leaves.
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I was thinking the mark is too big for Colossus
The inner mark can be variable.
http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/plicatus/colossus/colossus.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/plicatus/colossus/colossus.htm)
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Has anyone heard from Paul Tyerman recently?
He's regularly on Facebook - recovering from a couple of motorbike accidents, but fine.
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A favourite species, and looks like it's increasing! Galanthus koenenianus, with the distinctive ridged backs to its leaves.
Now that's a distinctive 'drop - quite scrumptious!
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Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus
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Thanks Maggi. What name does he use these days? I cant find him in my friends list
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Nice green tips, Tatsuo. :)
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Thanks, Anne :)
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Thanks Maggi. What name does he use these days? I cant find him in my friends list
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Galanthus gracilis from Mt. Pangeo,Northern Greece.
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Gracilis really are one of the prettiest snowdrops. Thanks for showing them Tony.
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Very nice - and perfectly straight leaves!
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Gracilis really are one of the prettiest snowdrops. Thanks for showing them Tony.
Contrast with mine here - they're in the bulb-house but they're only about 1.5cm above the ground and just starting to show their buds. Not many out in the garden yet at all - and so mild today that the BD was able to get some 'drops from Anne Wright (Dryad Nursery) planted and a few from a pot out too.
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Contrast with mine here - they're in the bulb-house but they're only about 1.5cm above the ground and just starting to show their buds. Not many out in the garden yet at all - and so mild today that the BD was able to get some 'drops from Anne Wright (Dryad Nursery) planted and a few from a pot out too.
That's about the state of most of the gracilis hybrids in the garden here too.
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Galanthus plicatus ‘Wendy’s Gold’ :)
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Looking delightful.
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Alan B mentioned the Snowdrop book of forumist Gail Harland in another thread - got me thinking we hadn't said much about this rather good little book since we got into the 'drop season- so I'll repeat a previous post!
You can find the book here - through this link (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snowdrop-Botanical-Gail-Harland/dp/1780234929/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453228015&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Snowdrop+%28Botanical%29+Hardcover+%E2%80%93+15+Jun+2016) which benefits the SRGC when you purchase, too!
This super wee book ( A5 size which makes it a very practical and comfortable read - I begin to find such things important these days!) is called simply, Snowdrop.
SNOWDROP - by Gail Harland
ISBN-10: 1780234929
ISBN-13: 978-1780234922
Another snowdrop book? Yes, but this is rather more than a list of names! There are some notes about the "new" varieties which have sold - mostly to other nurseries - and which have raised such excitement and derision in some circles - but Gail spends much more time following the history of snowdrops in art, in general gardening and about the people who paint, fashion and grow them. A book which makes for a pleasant and often informative read - showing just how much general charm these wee snow flowers have in so many fields - no pun intended!
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Thanks Maggi! :-*
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By chance my copy has just arrived today! I've only had a quick flick through, but am excited to get into it in detail. It looks, great - handy size, great production quality, lot of photos and images of snowdrops in art. I'm looking forward to reading about the wider aspects of these plants.
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Well at last (and serendipitously) it got to the top of my must read pile! What a super compilation Gail, I thoroughly enjoyed it and will lug it about with me for when we next meet 8)
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It just went on my birthday list!
Some of the ipoc seedlings are starting to flower.
The first 2 are Trimmer x South Hayes. This cross has produced some very nice seedlings. The top one is to be called Dryad Artemis.
The third is Ex Trimmer, open pollinated. I like the echo on this one! Hope it's stable.
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The second one is my favourite, Anne! It looks so dainty with just a bold stripe on the tips.
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The third is Ex Trimmer, open pollinated. I like the echo on this one! Hope it's stable.
Dryad 'Cyclops'?
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Galanthus 'Sheds and Outhouses'
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I first came across this snowddrop here, http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8037.msg220458#msg220458 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8037.msg220458#msg220458) and purchased one last year from Harvey's Garden Plants - but it had finished flowering by the time I got it so this is the first time I have had it in flower. It's so obscure that even Freda Cox overlooks this one; I have no idea where it originated. Is the name an allusion to 'Barnes' by somebody who did not distinguish between barns and Barnes? If anyone knows the answers to these questions I would be very interested.
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Dryad 'Cyclops'?
I believe Richard Bashford has a lovely snowdrop called 'Cyclops'
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Galanthus 'Sheds and Outhouses'
It's so obscure that even Freda Cox overlooks this one; I have no idea where it originated. Is the name an allusion to 'Barnes' by somebody who did not distinguish between barns and Barnes? If anyone knows the answers to these questions I would be very interested.
I believe it is one of Jorg Lebsa's - and not at all obscure. No doubt he and Matt were having a laugh with the name.
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Thank you, Brian. Perhaps 'Sheds and Outhouses' is a forerunner to the much greener 'York Minster'? Both flower at a similar time. 'Sheds and Outhouses' is too new to feature in 'Snowdrops ..' so I tried Freda Cox's book but the name was not there either, even though she lists many others that I had never heard of hitherto. I have never seen it offered for sale except by Roger Harvey, who had it for sale last year and this (although the name got garbled this year). Maybe up-and-coming is a more apt description than 'obscure'?
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A couple from a very frosty garden this morning
Magdelaine Erskine .....just recovering,and Miss Willmott with three spathes,apologies for poor pictures
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A few from my small collection.
Galanthus 'Galatea' I think I got a few bulbs a couple of years ago from the Member's Plant Stall at a local AGS group meeting. It's done well without my knowing underneath a rampant hybrid Daphne that I pruned last year.
G. 'Lady Beatrix Stanley' I can't really remember but think this may have come from Anne Wright some years ago, or it was possible from Art?
G. S. Arnott. possibly from Mike Quest
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G. alpinus
2016y & 2017y (greenhouse)
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G. alpinus
All the tint-drops (and pink and apricot ...) are one and the same gene. The same mutation. They're all relatives. One "mutation nest". One "inbreeding core". I do not know why different shades. I see that the pigment has a different distribution on the petal. Hybridological analysis can provide answers. Let's wait for F2. :)
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Anne - Time to pull out a copy of Bullfinch and have a field day.
john
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'Alpha Sassoon' (PP-S-15-1948)
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The new trend in the selection of snowdrops ;D
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My ideal! ;D
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You need more rest, Ru ! ;D ;D
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Anne - Time to pull out a copy of Bullfinch and have a field day.
john
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My ideal! ;D
AH - the delights of a fertilised seed pod! A man after my own heart. :-*
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When it comes to orange - I can at least see Ru's plant's orange 'armpits'. Anglesey Candlelight is a bit underwhelming - but maybe it gets orangier later?
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Also a bit underwhelmed by Galanthus 'Phantom'. Am I missing something? I suppose it does have a scary face.
I just noticed that Anglesey Candelight wears a similar expression.
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On the other hand, Madelaine is pretty and demure, and Little Ben is cutely short and chubby.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulfinch's_Mythology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulfinch's_Mythology)
Over here it was required reading for first level English. A goldmine but was hell to keep them all straight, let alone how to spell Bulfinch.
john
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Also a bit underwhelmed by Galanthus 'Phantom'. Am I missing something? I suppose it does have a scary face.
I just noticed that Anglesey Candelight wears a similar expression.
I would suggest this is not a mature bulb. Avon says
A large rounded giant hybrid poculiform which almost always shows two scapes, the second of which resembles G.plicatus ssp. byzantinus, so two different flowers from the same bulb!
and certainly mine did that last year.
You should be able to pick up a Bullfinch from https://www.abebooks.co.uk (https://www.abebooks.co.uk) for about a fiver or from a local secondhand book shop. It is a delight.
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Last year I had a number of fat Galanthus seed pods that were empty. Is this unusual?
john
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Last year I had a number of fat Galanthus seed pods that were empty. Is this unusual?
No John I've had that too at various times.
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Also a bit underwhelmed by Galanthus 'Phantom'. Am I missing something? I suppose it does have a scary face.
I just noticed that Anglesey Candelight wears a similar expression.
We were underwhelmed by Phantom last year, it is supposed to have two different flowers on the seperate scapes i.e.
"A touch of mystery surrounds this snowdrop as its origins are obscure. A large rounded giant hybrid poculiform which almost always shows two scapes, the second of which resembles G.plicatus ssp. byzantinus, so two different flowers from the same bulb! UNIQUE!"
Ours produced two byzantinus flowers and no Poc. We are waiting to see if there is any improvement this year.
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My Phantom is still a single nose, so maybe when it fattens?
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My Phantom is still a single nose, so maybe when it fattens?
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Feed it well then Anne, I'm sure you do anyway.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulfinch's_Mythology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulfinch's_Mythology)
Over here it was required reading for first level English. A goldmine but was hell to keep them all straight, let alone how to spell Bulfinch.
john
I'd like to say it was the misspelling that confused me, but I've never heard of it. Must see if I can get a copy.
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I'm sure it's been superceded by ones that haven't cut out the juicier bits. ;)
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so two different flowers from the same bulb! UNIQUE!"
Unique? Haven't we seen one that produces a single and a double from the same bulb? Ian Christie's, I think.
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Unique? Haven't we seen one that produces a single and a double from the same bulb? Ian Christie's, I think.
Quite so, but it's all a question of chronology, I think you'll find that Avon's was the first to be sold.
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This is the first snowdrop to flower in my garden. I have no idea of the name though but would like to know. Does anybody recognize it?
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Can you tell us which species it is, Hoy? Plicatus?
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Can you tell us which species it is, Hoy? Plicatus?
Sorry Alan, regarding Galanthus I know next to nothing. I was hoping to be enlighted!
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Foliage looks to be applanate.....
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I did forget that the leaves were that important. This is the best picture I have today. Can take a better one tomorrow.
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After the excitement of yesterday, it was great to get back to morning patrol in freezing conditions but glorious sunshine here.
What a greeting:
Ronald Mackenzie flowering today and looking spectacular. It is a gorgeous yellow.
One of the Castle series from Ian Christie, looking better each day.
Mrs McNamara looking lovely through the Cornus Midwinter Fire.
Three Ships still billowing 6 weeks after it normally has gone over in front of Daphne Odora coming into flower, also very late this year.
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My Phantom is still a single nose, so maybe when it fattens?
Mine are just poking up edit ... they're up and my one bulb is now two and both are twinscaped
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Just had a great visit to see the snowdrops at the Christies.
Ian Christie with his newly named Galanthus 'Alice Bell' named after his mother.
and yes it was cold !
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Great to see some pics from your garden, Ingrid!
Ian must be very impressed with his snowdrop to name it for his mother - I'll look forward to seeing it.
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Also a bit underwhelmed by Galanthus 'Phantom'. Am I missing something?
Just before work I brought mine in to open :'( not a poc either
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A bit of a warmer day and I got a couple of shots. G. 'Fenstead End' peeped open today and this G. gracilis was putting on its show.
Rick
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edit : replying to comment in the Early flowering 'drop thread - Yes, but there are no early yellows that I know of and only one double, which is not consistently yellow.
Surprisingly, the article makes no mention of recent successes in breeding yellow snowdrops, such as Joe Sharman's 'Golden Fleece' & 'Treasure island' or Anne Wright's 'Dryad Gold ..' series.
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Interesting introductory article in the February edition of the RHS The Garden magazine on yellow snowdrops by Roger Harvey.
Includes photos of some of the more common varieties and references some of the orange drops.
Worth a look.
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Aha; my psychic powers allow me to answer Ingrid's comment before she has posted it.
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Surprisingly, the article makes no mention of recent successes in breeding yellow snowdrops, such as Joe Sharman's 'Golden Fleece' & 'Treasure island' or Anne Wright's 'Dryad Gold ..' series.
Perhaps it shows he is a nurseryman first and a galanthophile second.
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Aha; my psychic powers allow me to answer Ingrid's comment before she has posted it.
Indeed - I was impressed at that! I moved the two posts from the "earlies" thread to here and they turned around in this one - very odd!
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Perhaps it shows he is a nurseryman first and a galanthophile second.
That was my thought!
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Poor 'Elizabeth Harrison' always gets a mention as being stratospherically expensive - which was largely a result of Thompson and Morgan going a bit crazy for some reason of their own. These days the going rate is under £100, which is ridiculous in terms of ordinary garden plants but you can pay the same or more for a rare Hepatica. Galanthus 'Golden Fleece' went for well over £1000 when first sold on eBay so it's a pity it did not get a mention. And surely the recent crop of yellows represents the most successful attempts at cross-breeding snowdrops since the Greatorex Doubles?
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Poor 'Elizabeth Harrison' always gets a mention as being stratospherically expensive - which was largely a result of Thompson and Morgan going a bit crazy for some reason of their own. These days the going rate is under £100, which is ridiculous in terms of ordinary garden plants but you can pay the same or more for a rare Hepatica. Galanthus 'Golden Fleece' went for well over £1000 when first sold on eBay so it's a pity it did not get a mention. And surely the recent crop of yellows represents the most successful attempts at cross-breeding snowdrops since the Greatorex Doubles?
Nobody is disputing any of that, but if I was a nurseryman writing an article I would make sure the majority of plants mentioned were available from my nursery.
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While not doubting that many lovely 'drops have been found in existing populations, I have a great admiration for those working hard to breed certain desired characteristics into bulbs from scratch. 'Our own' Anne W. is one such, of course.
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I just read the article. it is rather biased (so am I! ;D), but you can't blame him - he has to sell his own stuff.
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Anne's new 'drops (http://www.ebay.com/itm/GALANTHUS-DRYAD-GOLD-STAR-NEW-VERY-LIMITED-OFFERING-/262820242162?hash=item3d314ea2f2:g:bhUAAOSwNnRYfg2E) are attracting great interest on ebay - as well they might!
One of Hagen's gems is soaring, too- see Here. (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Galanthus-Hyb-SCHORBUSER-IRRLICHT-/192086064705?hash=item2cb938be41:g:cDQAAOSw5cNYhiWl)
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From Ian the Christie kind....
"Found this new G. nivalis near here last year - the inner marks close up look like a green cross under a green line below the ovary, a neat small Snowdrop.
The flowers are only 3 to 4 inches high - might get taller ,very nice pristine white flowers without doubt this is a hybrid with something (g. plicatus?)"
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Again from Ian C.
"I went out today and selected some G. plicatus leaves - and a leaf from the little G. nivalis shown in the previous post. That nivalis leaf is at the end of the first pic and is a blue green. Note the turned over leaves on all this lot. These are hybrids, pictures are all of the reverse of the leaves. "
Cheers.
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Referring back to Julia's photo the other day - here is a close-up of Ian Christie's new
'drop from the Castle - which he has named for his Mother so it is Galanthus 'Alice Bell' - which he tells us is not for sale!
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From Ian the Christie kind....
"Found this new G. nivalis near here last year - the inner marks close up look like a green cross under a green line below the ovary, a neat small Snowdrop.
The flowers are only 3 to 4 inches high - might get taller ,very nice pristine white flowers without doubt this is a hybrid with something (g. plicatus?)"
Like a mini-Lapwing!
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Again from Ian C.
"I went out today and selected some G. plicatus leaves - and a leaf from the little G. nivalis shown in the previous post. That nivalis leaf is at the end of the first pic and is a blue green. Note the turned over leaves on all this lot. These are hybrids, pictures are all of the reverse of the leaves. "
Cheers.
Think he says the one on the left of the group on the right is the nivalis? Also, not sure if he means all are hybrids or just the ones in the group on the right with the nivalis??
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Yes, Josh, last leaf of first group is the "nivalis" - but he thinks they are probably all hybrids.
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Anne's new 'drops (http://www.ebay.com/itm/GALANTHUS-DRYAD-GOLD-STAR-NEW-VERY-LIMITED-OFFERING-/262820242162?hash=item3d314ea2f2:g:bhUAAOSwNnRYfg2E) are attracting great interest on ebay - as well they might!
One of Hagen's gems is soaring, too- see Here. (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Galanthus-Hyb-SCHORBUSER-IRRLICHT-/192086064705?hash=item2cb938be41:g:cDQAAOSw5cNYhiWl)
Hagen Engelmann wants people to know that despite trying hard he can't currently put anything on uk eBay , so if you want to bid and try and own one of his lovely plants your best bet is to look on http://ebay.de (http://ebay.de) . He will be putting up some greens soon .
For instance :Galanthus-nivalis-GRUNE-WALDFEE (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Galanthus-nivalis-GRUNE-WALDFEE-/192090247786?hash=item2cb978926a)
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That sounds exciting!
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Yes, Josh, last leaf of first group is the "nivalis" - but he thinks they are probably all hybrids.
Thanks Maggi - those darned bees mucking it all up again (for the purists at least; I quite like some of their handiwork!)
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That's the problem with "purists" - the plants are never going to stay as simple species if we bring them together in captivity so it's an impossible dream. And even in the wild you can get long distance bumble bees! While natural hybrids exist it's a bit daft, I reckon, to get too hung up on such purism!
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Please can someone advise? Is it normal for Diggory’s leaves to be mottled?? Or is my plant virused and, as such, a threat to the rest of the collection???
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It would go in the fire if it were mine, Tim. If that's not virus it's doing a very good impression and discretion is the better part of valour where such things are concerned for me.
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http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/problems/virus/virus.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/problems/virus/virus.htm)
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Tim Ingram has shared a link to this interesting article from the Annals of Botany on seed ripeness .....
https://academic.oup.com/aob/article-lookup/doi/10.1093/aob/mct051
Seed development and maturation in early spring-flowering Galanthus nivalis and Narcissus pseudonarcissus continues post-shedding with little evidence of maturation in planta
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If it were mine it would be in the incinerator Tim. Sad but you don't want it spreading.
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is my plant virused...
Conventional wisdom is that leaf mottling like that indicates a virus. Conventional wisdom has it that snowdrops cannot recover from a virus as you or I might so will either die in due course or hang on to life but act as a potential source of infection. Conventional wisdom is that such viruses are spread by aphids and I doubt that you will see many of those for a few months yet.
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Alan / Tim - We've seen virus on 'Primrose Warburg' from one source and it was not a pleasant day when we had to bin them. I wonder what folks think of ridding their collections of the obvious 'Augustus'.
Alan - I have never seen an aphis on Galanthus but some sources also mention slugs and snails and we've seen them come in droves as the leaves are dying in June and July. My suspicion is they are the culprits unless the NBF moonlights.
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Plenty aphids around in glasshouses etc- and it has been so mild in some areas that they might easily be outside too.
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Perhaps I should have said "feeding on Galanthus". I assume a puncture would be required for viral transmission.
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G. plicatus (№ PP-S-14-8507) Unnamed, as yet. :)
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Ru,
This is terrific. You have outdone yourself! Thank you for posting it and I hope it might one day be in gardens!
Nice work,
Rick
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The Monksilver Nursery (Joe Sharman) Availability List arrived in the post yesterday. 'Augustus' (virus free) is included on the list so it seems there is a source of this snowdrop that is not infected.
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I'm glad I didn't start a thread on Virescent snowdrops Ru as we would be spoilt for choice! Have you anything to add to the Yellow snowdrops thread by any chance? Someone asked if there was a yellow lagodechianus.
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Hello,
After 15 days of very cold weather it has warmed a lot since last Friday. Snowdrops are finally growing. As I was counting the buds I found that my little clump of 'Diggory' is showing special signs on the leaves. Would that be a virus ? The same lines appear on 'Wendy's Gold' in a yellowish way. They're the only two showing those signs. Other cultivars seem fine so far I've been looking for the same signs on Judy's Snowdrop webpage but it shows adult leaves not growing ones. Thank you in advance for your wise answers.
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Hello,
After 15 days of very cold weather it has warmed a lot since last Friday. Snowdrops are finally growing. As I was counting the buds I found that my little clump of 'Diggory' is showing special signs on the leaves. Would that be a virus ? The same lines appear on 'Wendy's Gold' in a yellowish way. They're the only two showing those signs. Other cultivars seem fine so far I've been looking for the same signs on Judy's Snowdrop webpage but it shows adult leaves not growing ones. Thank you in advance for your wise answers.
They both have plicatus in their genes so you would see lines down each side, it's difficult to tell from the photo, virus is normally shown by patchy streaks.
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It has been cold here and it was suggested at Myddelton during a conversation that the fact that flowers were very near the ground on some varieties was due to the cold. I have had a wander round the garden checking up on truants that are not yet through and so I took my iPad and here are a few from today. I will take my camera next time as the quality isn't the best - but perhaps that is down to shaky hands rather than the iPad.
'Wind Turbine' was flowering virtually on the soil to begin with, last year there were no green marks on the outers but this year it has settled down, or the bulbs are more mature, or the weather is right! 'Sutton Courtenay is always a joy to see. 'Seraph' is a beautiful poc and is increasing in its first year in the garden.
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'Miss Wilmott' is an amazing addition, many scapes from few bulbs give a marvellous floriferous effect - grab it if you see it for sale! From the same sellers 'Glenorma' which is quite vigorous as well as being huge. 'Fly Fishing' is beginning to extend its pedicel and 'Dryad Gold Sovereign' is clumping up nicely too.
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G. plicatus (№ PP-S-14-8507) Unnamed, as yet. :)
My word - that is greener than a green thing!
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Hi Folks,
Thanks for the advice…. Diggory has been removed… It wasn’t too hard to do… Once I’d ‘milked’ a particularly fine flower for pollen.
Would you recommend the same treatment for Bill Clark?? That would be altogether harder to do!
Tim DH
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They both have plicatus in their genes so you would see lines down each side, it's difficult to tell from the photo, virus is normally shown by patchy streaks.
Thank you Brian, I'll keep a close eye on them and if I can see those patchy streaks, I'll post another photo to make sure before destroying them.
Nice clumps by the way
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Hagen Engelmann wants people to know that despite trying hard he can't currently put anything on uk eBay , so if you want to bid and try and own one of his lovely plants your best bet is to look on http://ebay.de (http://ebay.de) . He will be putting up some greens soon .
For instance :Galanthus-nivalis-GRUNE-WALDFEE (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Galanthus-nivalis-GRUNE-WALDFEE-/192090247786?hash=item2cb978926a)
So nice that many of these 'drops were shown several years ago in this forum. Almost seven years ago for Schorbuser Irrlicht.
Many of Hagen's 'drops featured in the IRG e-magazine of February 2015 - 'GRÜNER FAUN' was on the cover....
read it here http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb261424987169IRG62.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb261424987169IRG62.pdf)
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I'm glad I didn't start a thread on Virescent snowdrops Ru as we would be spoilt for choice! Have you anything to add to the Yellow snowdrops thread by any chance? Someone asked if there was a yellow lagodechianus.
I test my yellow snowdrops, now. Plicatus, alpinis, woronowii.
Olive lagodechianus, yes, alas, no yellow.
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G. plicatus (№ PP-S-14-8507) Unnamed, as yet. :)
WOW - Ru we are getting close the completely green flower :o :o
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A very tiny double from Taavi Tuulik in Estonia - 'Muku'. The name means 'lovely' or 'pretty' in Estonian.
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The second scape from ipocs often shows quite different markings from the first flower - I've noticed this in Trimmer, for instance. This ipoc seedling demonstrates perfectly. The flower on the left is on the first scape to flower.
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A very tiny double from Taavi Tuulik in Estonia - 'Muku'. The name means 'lovely' or 'pretty' in Estonian.
I believe you've got this one on ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GALANTHUS-NIVALIS-MUKU-very-rare-Estonian-double-snowdrop-first-offering-/262828786738?hash=item3d31d10432:g:EsoAAOSw-0xYjjKF) now, Anne? I've only ever seen it anywhere once before - that was in the Forum, of course!
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The Monksilver Nursery (Joe Sharman) Availability List arrived in the post yesterday.
Mine, too. ´Hidden Secret´is offered, an ordinary G. nivalis with two rows of inners. Years ago, such a snowdrop appeared in my meadow. Never had an idea that it might fetch 36 €!
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The Monksilver Nursery (Joe Sharman) Availability List arrived in the post yesterday. 'Augustus' (virus free) is included on the list so it seems there is a source of this snowdrop that is not infected.
In Germany, several collectors offer ´Augustus´with healthy green leaves, and a friend in Belgium also grew it.
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Monksilver has been offering it for several years.
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How can they be sure it's virus free?
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I don´t think any of the growers of healthy looking ´Augustus´had them tested. At least the plants looked much better without the usual stripes.
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How can they be sure it's virus free?
That I don't know but I can't imagine that Joe Sharman would risk holding any stock with virus amongst the nursery snowdrops as he is one of the big sellers in the UK. The consequences would be disastrous wouldn't they?
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Overcast and grey on today's morning patrol, could have done with tartan trews and bonnet for the cold and the delights greeting me.
Some of Ian Christie's drops in action together, a bit late for Burn's Night but close enough! Two are Ian's new drops.
Lady Alice, very dark inner marking
Eyebright Early, which is lovely, both when in flower and bud.
Castle Giant, gorgeous bleed of the inner marking and large flowered indeed.
One of the Castle Series still doing well and very lovely.
The Castle drops always do well for me here and bulk up readily.
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Ingrid, is 'Eyebright Early' usually earlier than this? I have been trying to place Ian Christie's early snowdrops in the overall scheme of earlies but so far I haven't manged to do this at all.
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G. Mrs McNamara
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That I don't know but I can't imagine that Joe Sharman would risk holding any stock with virus amongst the nursery snowdrops as he is one of the big sellers in the UK. The consequences would be disastrous wouldn't they?
You'd think so. I just wondered if he'd had them tested, and by whom.
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Sometimes selecting seedlings is not difficult at all - these are the 2 clones that came from Spindlestone Surprise x Wendy's Gold.
Clone A - multiplying well, with 2 scapes on 2 of the 3 bulbs. The leaves tend towards the pollen parent WG, but are more erect, as does the inner mark. Clone B, bound for the bin!
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Sometimes it's really hard choosing. Assorted ipoc seedlings.
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Clone B, bound for the bin!
That's a shame as Clone B has such a good intensity of colour to the ovary, but they have to be good doers.
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A favourite species - you know I like tiny! Galanthus transcaucasicus
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That's a shame as Clone B has such a good intensity of colour to the ovary.
But the rest of it is so wimpy!
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A favourite species - you know I like tiny! Galanthus transcaucasicus
Small and perfectly formed - what's not to like?
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But the rest of it is so wimpy!
It does look like it might curl up its toes as soon as it's put out in the garden. Clone A is a thumper by contrast!
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Clone A is my favourite, too, as is no5 :)