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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: ruben on September 02, 2016, 07:10:02 PM
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For the begin of september not a flower but some pictures of there home
Very happy witm my new home for hardy crocus that need only protection from rain - and finished my planting of 305 collections of more tender bulbs (galanthus peshmenii -cilicicus /Narcissus broussonetti - cavanillesii / many autumn and spring crocus/ sternbergia /...). No its looking forward for the first flowers
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looks nice and clean, you'll enjoy the flowers from the house ;)
Does the lawn for the kids will stay a long time . ;D ;D ;D
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Thx Yann!
Yes enough lawn for the kids.
But in the future dad will take some space LOL
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First crocus of the season - Crocus pulchellus
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Some days later than his brother - Crocus suworowianus lilacinus
Crocus ilgazensis - an very early collection that suffer every year due the warm weather
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Crocus autranii, first flowering seed from the Crocus Group sown august 2010
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Crocus autranii, first flowering seed from the Crocus Group sown august 2010
An absolute corker!
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Great Tony! A real stunning plant
Here also in flower
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C. autranii is very beautiful - something special about it!
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Exquisite, but then all Crocus are, aren't they?! Something special about this one though, and especially when it's one of your own babies grown from seed.
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Exquisite, but then all Crocus are, aren't they?! Something special about this one though, and especially when it's one of your own babies grown from seed.
Yes, Crocus autranii is something special. The first of mine has just withered after only two days, but hopefully more will come. We have almost summer here with day temperatures around 25oC, so the flower do not last long.
It is a strange season here. It started with suworovianus flowering in August as usual, but then the next one was an early form of speciosus the first days of September, then a few banaticus and nudiflorus Orla. Now is kotschyanus, speciosus and nudiflorus flowering. Today I saw the nose of vallicola and scharojanii flavus. These two normally flowers a few days after suworovianus, but this year they are at least a month behind. All mentioned here grows in the open garden.
Under glass, no Crocus is visible, but Acis rosea and Cyclamen graecum is flowering.
It is not only the Crocus which is 'out of date', my first Galanthus Reginae Olgae in the open garden will open in a day or two, and that is very early.
Do any of you have similar experience?
Poul
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Under glass only few ones are showing their noses, i've checked several pots, no sign of root.
It's too hot, with again 28°c outisde today, in the greenhouse it can reach 40°c. I watered the pots last week end and my fear is that hot subtrat's temperature + water = rotten bulbs. I added an air extractor used in industry to renew flow over pots field. Banaticus lasted 3 days >:(
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Crocus pulchellus, the first of the autumn crocus to flower.
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lovely pattern
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I'm so busy now reading all proofs of my new crocus book, that haven't time even for picturing of crocuses. Wheather is very hot and flowers dies in 2-3 days. But now cooling is promissed. Today will finish replanting of crocuses (larger stocks) and will start Erythroniums and frits, but here attached is picture of bed with pots of autumn crocuses, there are ~ 1200 pots.
Picture was maid on my birthday - 5th September and I use occasion to thank all those who sent me greetings and especially to Maggi and Ian Young for the best present - announcing of my new book in The International Rock Gardener, August issue. At this moment around half of necessary 15000 Euros are donated and now I really hope to publish my new book may be even for Christmas.
Janis
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whouah what a pots collection :o, we don't play in the same playground ;)
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Thats superb news Janis! Hopefully you get the other needed donations soon - really looking forward to read the new masterpiece!!
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Janis
wonderful collection,great to see.
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Crocus banaticus at Birmingham Botanic Gardens this week.
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Some crocuses pictured today (nothing very special):
Incredibly early blooming of C. banaticus (seedling from white form)
Crocus bolensis - early and beautiful! (the earliest from speciosus group is C. ilgazernsis - already finished blooming)
Crocus puringiorum from Crimea
Crocus speciosus from near Geghart Monastery in Armenia
Crocus vallicola from near Artvin
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Is the weather still hot with you, Janis?
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Is the weather still hot with you, Janis?
We had the first day with temperature not above 18 C. Today I four hours watered crocus pots and cleaned them from dry flowers. Had very short time for pictures and many are gone. At least labels are checked. Still most of time goes for book proof reedings and only yesterday finished key for "biflorus" crocuses. It was real nightmare. But now it is done! I really was afraid about this part and left it for very last... But now it is finished and more or less tested.
Some more pictures from today will follow but here picture of F-2 generation seedlings from hybrids between C. gilanicus and C. autranii. True gilanicus already finished blooming but pure autranii was not in so good shape - too hot weather for those high mountain species.
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Few more crocuses
Still a lot of job must be done in researching of C. mazziaricus complex. Here some pictures from Samos, from Athos peninsula, from near Thiva and neighbouring Paleohori
+ C. boryi
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And last pictures for today
Crocus cancellatus group, SE of Gurun
Crocus cappadocicus
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus pallassii - true type species from Crimea
Crocus salzmannii from Sierra Nevada
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F-2 generation seedlings from hybrid between C. gilanicus and C. autranii are very smart.
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F-2 generation seedlings from hybrid between C. gilanicus and C. autranii are very smart.
This makes problems to nurseryman - C. autranii is not fast increaser by corm splitting and must be multiplied by seeds, so it must be isolated from C. gilanicus at blooming time. Not always it is easy. Now I'm doing this with few corms introduced directly from wild and for propagation are used only those seeds.
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This makes problems to nurseryman - C. autranii is not fast increaser by corm splitting and must be multiplied by seeds, so it must be isolated from C. gilanicus at blooming time. Not always it is easy. Now I'm doing this with few corms introduced directly from wild and for propagation are used only those seeds.
Lovely pictures Janis.
Still a lot of bees about in this warm weather visiting every flower. Not so much of a problem in spring when it is just the odd bumble bee.
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I was very interested at a recent Discussion Weekend to see Janis using deep pots for his crocus, as I had always thought shallow ones sufficient. After taking his lead last year, my crocus have done much better. And look at these C mathewii seedlings pretending to be erythroniums and escaping out of the bottom of the seed pot! One is already almost out, and the others crowded at the bottom of the pot.
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Glad to hear the long pots are working out Anne. Something I've considered but not yet taken the plunge. Will save a few pennies and maybe convert next year.
Those Crocus seedling corms are a good size, are they 2 year olds?
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Stunning pictures Janus! I really love the mazziaricus from Athos peninsula - very attracive throat.
Nice picture Ann! I don't use deep pots but i plant my pond baskets for crocus also deeper (about 5 cm) below the surface. I have better results also because the are better isolated of extreme heat and cold.
Here still 'hot' and dry weather for september. No many thing to say but many things in but 'waiting' for colder nights and better conditions.
Crocus kotschyanus sp. kotschyanus in flower. Only one day and the flower are allready fading.
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As Ruben said it's hot and dry and plants don't bloom more than 3 days.
I just had chance to take this picture of Crocus speciosus subsp. bolensis just opening...2 days after it was faded.
2016 will definetely not a good year for bulbs.
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Glad to hear the long pots are working out Anne. Something I've considered but not yet taken the plunge. Will save a few pennies and maybe convert next year.
Those Crocus seedling corms are a good size, are they 2 year olds?
Yes, 2 years old.
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Yes, 2 years old.
Thanks Anne. I haven't found time to repot any seedlings this year. :( Many have sprung back into growth already. Mine will have to make do with additional feeding until next summer.
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How quickly flowers can appear! Due to an mini Indian summer, I delayed my first watering a little this year and luckily it coincided with a drop in temperature and more autumnal conditions. Today...
Crocus pulchellus and albus
Crocus mathewii - curiously, I don't think the petals were blushed with lilac in previous years.
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus laevigatus - I should have have been quicker to photograph these when they were perfect stars this morning, as the bright sunshine has made the flowers collapse a little.
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Superb Matt!
And so early! Here no sign on any crocus yet. Not even bolensis showed. Due the indian summer it will be a booming october and november hopefully with enough sun
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Crocus cancellatus lycius stated to bloom this morning, back to work tonight i thought i need to photography it: too late the first flower was burnt under glass >:(.
Really nice set Matt
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Thanks guys. I missed getting photos of C. ilgazensis and autranii. Plenty more on the way though with goulimyi and banaticus buds about to burst and the first Galanthus reginae-olgae are through :)
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pff and with the winter hour end october things will become only more bad to photograph Yann :-(.
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Crocus mathewii - curiously, I don't think the petals were blushed with lilac in previous years.
My memory served me well. Here is a photo of the same clone from 2014 and the one from this year again.
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It's still very warm, with a strong south wind.
Crocus suworovianus lilacinus recently acquired from Liga & Janis
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I'm most of time using working together with my books designer and yesterday after several day long interruption visited crocus greenhouse. Was schocked how many blooms suddenly appear together with moderate cooling, so here are only few of them (far too busy with book and replanting to show now more)
Crocus armeniensis
Two pictures of most impressive Crocus dispathaceus dark form, but there are many with light lilac flowers, too
Crocus puringiorum from Crimea, Ukraine - at present occupied by Rusia.
and as last unidentified from speciosus group from locality LST-124 situated between localities of C. xantholaimos and C. striatulus
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puringiorum is really special, beautiful dark color.
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Stunning pictures Janis!
Really love the armeniensis
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Just back from Penrith and more Crocus are out. Thankfully the weather is much cooler here now. When I took a weekend away in September all my Sternbergia flowers wilted in hot sunshine.
Can confirm collections/names if required:
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus cartwrightianus
Crocus banaticus
Crocus pulchellus and Crocus pulchellus albus - shown before but event better now.
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Oh, the pollen is scattered everywhere because a bumblebee had been busy in the bulb frame! With the sunny weather I'm hoping for plenty of seed to send to Wim for the Crocus Group exchange next year.
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Here's something else. Crocus pulchellus from the SRGC 2014/15 Seed Exchange, sown on 20 Jan 2015 and two plants flowering today. From seed to flowering in 20 months.
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Nice pics Matt!
Oh thats a quick result, superb!!
Here the crocus also restart thanks to the colder weather
Crocus vallicola
Crocus cancellatus ssp. cancellatus - any idea whats the reason of the brownish filaments?
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Is there good pollen on those brown anthers, Ruben? :-\
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The answer from Janis: "Not virus! Keep it and check next year. Could be very iteresting, but could be only one-season phenomenon".
I keep you informed next years..
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The first this season of my much reduced stock of Crocuses. Crocus longiflorus.
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Crocus kotschyanus kotschyanus in the garden
Crocus suworovianus lilacinus is now fully opened
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Seeing your excellent Crocuses this morning I decided immediately to join this Forum. Crocus vallicola and especially Crocus scardicus are my dream Crocuses but till now I only dream of it.
My main interest are orchids in the wild and fritillaries in the garden. But I often came along with seedpods of Crocuses and Colchicum in spring and I gathered them since 2009. So I have now a good stock of Greek crocuses and I show the first two that are in flower now.
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Welcome to the forum 'Sokol'.
very nice to see you're pictures. Are you from Greece?
Love the mazziaricus! Really nice colout combo
Please post more of you're stunning crocusses and other plants!
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yep for sure, mazziaricus is really dark colored here.
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Sorry ruben, I have forgotten to tell. I have completed my Profile just now. I am from Southern Bavaria, Germany, not far from the Alps. I have been to Greece very often during the last ten years.
I have read about Janis' Problems with mazziaricus in Greece. That was exactly what I had, when the seed all over Greece turned out to look similar to mazziaricus.
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The answer from Janis: "Not virus! Keep it and check next year. Could be very iteresting, but could be only one-season phenomenon".
I keep you informed next years..
My opinion: it just has not developed pollen, which carries temporary character. This happens with many bulbs. Next year it will be normal. With virus it can't be related anyway.
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Some crocuses from today
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Ian's Bulb Log 39/16 is now online click the link to see some of autumn's jewels in flower.
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http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Sep281475064109BULB_LOG_3916.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Sep281475064109BULB_LOG_3916.pdf)
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woow janis! Allready so much in flower!
Here in the bulb frame not even one flower to see - but MANY noses. We suffer from a very dry and hot summer followed by and extreme dry september.
Crocus mazziaricus from Athos pen. looks even more beautiful then the one you posted the 17th september of this year.
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Crocus cartwrightianus Hyb ? , seed from the cc 29-09-10. There has been a comment to this pic by Antoine Hoog who says it is a Hyb. Thomas Huber thinks it is with hadriaticus, and Antoine Hoog thinks it is with Niveus, take your pick. :)
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Very pretty Michael.
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I stay with Crocus mazziaricus. Here is one from Mt. Othris in Greece.
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More beautiful photos, sokol!
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Here are others from Samos and Evia.
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Pictures of my most impressive wild Crocus location at Voras, Northern Greece.
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and some close-ups
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impressive :o
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With such an impressive apparent monoculture I would like to see the same place at other times of the year. The soil must be solid with corms in some places. Vegetable gravel ;-)
What happens to all the seed, or have the individual plants a limited life?
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Stunning pictures sokol!
I really love the greyish blue mazziaricus from Mt. othris.
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After the Crocus there are many Dactylorhiza cordigera and in July it is nearly overgrazed by cows. I tried to find any Crocus leaves in July 2015 but I was not successful or I was totally blind.
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Can anybody help with this Crocus? I noted that the seed was collected at Biokovo Mt. in Croatia in 2010. Is it just Crocus vernus or something else? If my notes were wrong the seed must have been collected in Montenegro as there were no other stations during my trip in 2010.
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Servus Sokol.
This Crocus was named Crocus (vernus ssp) albiflorus (Kitt ex Schult) until 2014, now re-named to Crocus vernus (Hill), but will probably get a new/old name in the next years (~ C. montenegrinus/Kern ex Maw) when the studies of the vernus group are finished
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Thank you Thomas and I will use C. montenegrinus till there is another name. Who does the studies?
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After long time waiting the crocusseason seems finally started here in Belgium
Crocus bolensis
Crocus (cancellatus) mazziaricus
Crocus salzmanii JP 9177
Crocus cancellatus ssp. cancellatus
Crocus suworovianus lilacinus
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Thank you Thomas and I will use C. montenegrinus till there is another name. Who does the studies?
Helmut Kerndorff, Erich Pasche, Dörte Harpke and others...
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Ruben, your Crocus suworovianus lilacinus is a real stunner :o
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aftet these beauties shown by Ruben, an horror going to the trash, it was speciosus Atabir, it was >:(
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Thx Thomas. It a newbie from Janis his list!
Yann, i don't think its a virus but a mechanical deformation. Our growing season is very strange. TO hot and dry... i had the same with a collection of mazziaricus
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I've another pot of the same specie with similar deformations and discoloring band with yellow strips. On the photo you don't see very well the yellow strips inside the flower. I prefer to isolate these pots. speciosus is not rare and pricey. We need cooler climate but next week gonna be warmer 8)
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Pictures of my most impressive wild Crocus location at Voras, Northern Greece.
Stunning fields of pelistericus!
Nature certainly knows how to grow this difficult Crocus, which I struggle to grow.
If you come there again in the late spring/summer, you are very welcome to collect some seeds :)
Poul
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Crocus cartwrightianus, true form.
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very nice Michael!
Not special but one of my favorites in speciosus - 'Oxonian'
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Not special but one of my favorites in speciosus - 'Oxonian'
It may not be special Ruben, but what a beauty - picture perfect!
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aftet these beauties shown by Ruben, an horror going to the trash, it was speciosus Atabir, it was >:(
It is not virus, just mechanical or physiological damage due unusual growing conditions this season, late replanting etc.
Janis
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ok Janis, i place the pot in the garden and will see next season how it looks.
For almost 10 years the unsual season seems to become the standard.
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ok Janis, i place the pot in the garden and will see next season how it looks.
For almost 10 years the unsual season seems to become the standard.
I agree, especially last years. I'm more and more seeing autumn crocuses blooming in box before replanting (residual stocks after planting of main collection) and very short flowering with flowers coming irregularly and soon faiding.
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I can't agree anymore. I know a guy who use an old restaurant frigo with pots inside in order to delay blooming date.
Not ecological at all be it works fine.