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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: HClase on March 01, 2008, 03:17:15 PM
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I guess my privilege to start this one. The third species to appear in my frame was photogenic today. This is C. abantensis (from Ruksans) and has done reasonably well over the six years I've had it, despite some neglect! I got two corms originally and they were different clones, one is noticeably darker than the other. As you can see it's not snowing today, but it's still -6C outside. One of the problems we have here is the wild swings in weather, a few days ago it was +7C and raining, which got rid of a lot of the snow, revealing various bulbs poking their noses up through the soil - then it went down to -16C overnight last night. So I imagine they are a bit frost bitten this morning! (The second flowerer was C. ancyrensis, but I won't bother showing you those.)
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Here is heufelianus 'Dark Eyes' from Leonid Bondarenko
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nice heuffelianus , Arthur
here is a white form from this ssp. with very pale blue tips
Crocus candidus, typical with one flower and one leave
Crocus candidus, open flower
Crocus dalmaticus, large form, not from Petrovac
Crocus angustifolius 'Berlin Gold'
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I see Dix are listing Berlin Gold. Anyone know how reliable it may be from them?
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Karl ,
If you look under Crocus Februar 2008 there is a pic from me from a Cr. vernus from Mt. Orjen -this is very similar to your pic .....south of Dubrovnik and Orjen are not so far .....
Re: Crocus February 2008
« Reply #354 on: February 24, 2008, 03:20:39 PM »
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1286.msg33992;topicseen#msg33992
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I see Dix are listing Berlin Gold. Anyone know how reliable it may be from them?
After some of the happenings this year are any of them reliable? ???
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Two major problems for me with nursery stock .........
1) is it true to name? :(
and 2) particularly for bulbs, has it got virus? >:(
Of the two faults, at least the former isn't going to wipe out your collection........ :'( >:( :o :P
No, I 'll add a third ........
3) what is the nurseryman's idea of "well-rooted mature" plants and does it bear any connection to reality??? :P :P :-X :-\ >:(
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A year ago, I was completely taken with Thomas Huber's crocus lawn so I decided to do my own. I ordered about 300 corms of 6 different varieties and in the autumn peeled back 4 sections of lawn and planted the corms in groups. Our lawn is fairly shady so I chose the 4 sections to give different aspects to see which do best. Now they are in flower. Last night a gale blew leaves and twigs all over the lawn but today has been quite sunny so they opened up. One variety "Negro Boy" hasn't flowered at all - maybe it's a late flowering variety, and "Advance" has been sparse.
General view
group
Blue Pearl
Romance
Ard Shenk
Zwanenberg Bronze
Advance
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Great pics guys and gals. The Heuffelianus in particular are wonderful to see.
Well done on the Crocus Lawn Diane. Thomas' is inspiring, isn't it. His lawn and rockery is what prompted me to start my Crocus garden, so he's inspiring all over the world!! 8)
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That is so pretty, Diane... they do look so well in grass, don't they?
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I guess my privilege to start this one. The third species to appear in my frame was photogenic today. This is C. abantensis (from Ruksans) and has done reasonably well over the six years I've had it, despite some neglect! I got two corms originally and they were different clones, one is noticeably darker than the other. As you can see it's not snowing today, but it's still -6C outside. One of the problems we have here is the wild swings in weather, a few days ago it was +7C and raining, which got rid of a lot of the snow, revealing various bulbs poking their noses up through the soil - then it went down to -16C overnight last night. So I imagine they are a bit frost bitten this morning! (The second flowerer was C. ancyrensis, but I won't bother showing you those.)
C.abantensis is realy nice one. It seem to do well with the unsteady wheather conditions.
It is one of my wish list.
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Mark, angustifolius "Berlin Gold" is originally sold by a German breeder from Berlin from where Dix
also gets his plants - so this one is reliable! Also my new stock of chrysanthus Herald came
from Dix last year.
Diane - a great start for a crocus lawn - looks like my own lawn 7 years ago.
Advance is a very small cultivar - I also have some on my lawn, but it is too small to be seen well in the grass.
Negro Boy is always the last cultivar coming into flower in my garden - it's not to late for yours!
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Thomas
Where you grow your crocus in a rock garden, what other bulbs or shrubs to grow to continue the colour through the year.
I think your lawn looks wonderful, and I am tempted to start one myself - I hate mowing! When do you mow the lawn? When would be the best time to incorporate autumn flowering species?
Thanks
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Great to see how the bulb lawn developped in 7 years time Thomas !
And it's not only the Crocus' that have grown.... ;D
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Now you've got me, Art - the only reason for planting so many crocus on my lawn is:
I don't like mowing ;D I never mow my lawn before 20th of may - because on 21st
my wife celebrates her Birthday. This gives them time enough to store new energy
for next years planting.
In my rockgarden our of the crocus season I have mainly: Rocks 8) but I also have some
Campanula, Sempervivum, Gentiana, Saxifraga and other alpines.
Sorry, I don't understand the question about autumn crocus?
Luc - I'm proud of my lawn, but not half as proud as I'm of my son! 8) 8)
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After showing Margaret Glynn Thomas' crocus lawn she is going to extend her tiny patch this year
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Last week you almost convinced me that the discussion about Cr. Whitewell Purple etc. was finished.
But yesterday I saw Ruby Giant and comaring must say this is much bigger (and a week later.)
So here are all three again:
PS.
Only when taking Ruby Giant there was much wind, so not too clear!
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Thomas
Sorry my question was not clear regarding Autumn-flowering crocus.
I assume that your lawn also has an Autumn display. Can you advise best species to plant please.
After you mow on May 20, do you continue until the Autumn-flowering crocus start to appear. As you have to leave the crocus to build up the corms after flowering, does this mean that your lawn does not get mown before winter? It looks quite short now as if it had been mown before winter.
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Luit, now the confusion is perfect: The one with the dark stem is what I have as "Whitewell Purple",
while the white-stemed is "Ruby Giant" in my garden. What a pity there are no reliable drawings or
descriptions to clear this endless mystery :-\
Art, I don't have autumn-crocus on THIS lawn due to the children, who also want to use it as a playing field
in summer and late autumn. But I had many speciosus on another lawn: First mowing middle of June until
middle of August, when the first flowers appear. Next mowing was always in the middle of December, after
the last flowers disappeared - I guess you will like that thought, won't you ;) ;D
Best species for autumn display will be: C. speciosus, kotschyanus, pulchellus, vallicola, banaticus,
nudiflorus if you want to do the final mowing in December. If you won't, you can also use wintergreen
species like: C. goulimyi, hadriaticus, serotinus ssp salzmanii, cartwrightianus, laevigatus.
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I have some very late Crocus just producing flowers of the last few days. Flower buds are visible between the leaves. These are mainly some vernus selections from Janis Ruksans. Are these late because they are in Latvian time?
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Thomas
I am very grateful for your very complete answer.
Arthur
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Luit, now the confusion is perfect: The one with the dark stem is what I have as "Whitewell Purple",
while the white-stemed is "Ruby Giant" in my garden. What a pity there are no reliable drawings or
descriptions to clear this endless mystery :-\
Mine with dark rather than light stems were bought as 'Ruby Giant' from a garden centre a few years ago - not that that means very much ;D
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If I was well enough I would go outside and taken a few shots of my remaining dark flowered dark stemmed tommies. Later I'll look up a photo that took that shows all the tommies side by side
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Luit, now the confusion is perfect: The one with the dark stem is what I have as "Whitewell Purple",
while the white-stemed is "Ruby Giant" in my garden. What a pity there are no reliable drawings or
descriptions to clear this endless mystery :-\
Thomas, when we were talking at the phone I understood that you were thinking Whitewell has something to do with white. (tell me if I am wrong?)
I am thinking different:
E.A. Bowles had often contact with Reverend Joseph Jacob, who lived from 1859 - 1926they might even have been friends?
Reading in E.A. Bowles & his Garden I have the following conclusion:
This Reverend lived at Whitewell Rectory Whitchurch, Shropshire SY13 3HB.
E.A. Bowles used his knowledge when he travelled to Holland. For the reverend a mecca of plants.
The same Reverend is also connected with Aubrieta Whitewell Gem.
I already explained that Ruby Giant would mean "BIG", and the one on the picture is really bigger than the Whitewell Purple, which is about the same size as Barr's Purple.
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Luit, in my copy of Collins Guide To Bulbs, by Patrick Synge (1961) it says 'Whitewell Purple' is "Named after the rectory where Rev. Joseph Jacob collected together so many unusual and good plants. Flower purplish-mauve outside, pale silvery-mauve inside. " There are also short descriptions for 'Taplow Ruby' and 'Barr's Purple' if you want those too.
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I see you were discussing 'Barr's Purple' so here is the description for that variety from Collin's Guide To Bulbs: "Rich purple-lilac inside, outside of the three outer petals pale mauvish-grey as in the species."
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Thomas (or others); I am also considering planting autumn flowering crocuses in my lawn, wich is fairly sunny and dry. However, my autumn is much shorter because I live so far north, so the later ones won't be able to make much impact. What would be useful to know is the order in wich the autumn flowering species start to flower.
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Enclosed what I have as "Ruby Giant". The size is smaller then "Whitewell Purple" but a bit larger than an ordinary C. tommasianus.
In comparison two different versions of "Whitewell Purple" I cultivate.
The latter is much larger and to be considered in the forum as the "true" one...
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If I was well enough I would go outside and taken a few shots of my remaining dark flowered dark stemmed tommies. Later I'll look up a photo that took that shows all the tommies side by side
Ahhhh, you feeling poorly?
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Armin, Are the colours in your pics reasonably accurate? If they are, then what I grow as 'Ruby Giant' (obtained more than 15 years ago & not all that big) is more like your 'Whitewell Purple' (true). To add to the confusion, my form has white tubes.
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Luit, in my copy of Collins Guide To Bulbs, by Patrick Synge (1961) it says 'Whitewell Purple' is "Named after the rectory where Rev. Joseph Jacob collected together so many unusual and good plants. Flower purplish-mauve outside, pale silvery-mauve inside. " There are also short descriptions for 'Taplow Ruby' and 'Barr's Purple' if you want those too.
Thank you Martin, I do have the book.
But with these colour descriptions you wouldn't come far.
To quote P. Synge: Fl. purplish-mauve,but not quite so deep in colour although bluer than the preceeding (Taplow Ruby)
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And for Taplow Ruby he gives: Dark rich reddish-purple, probably the deepest coloured form.
I cannot find any blue in this description.
So my question is: how blue is his or your or mine blue?
Blue in sunny weather or blue in rainy weather or blue after a long evening in the pub?
And then we have Mr. Mathew; Ruby Giant (red-purple, Taplow Ruby ( the deepest reddish purple)
What's the difference?
Shortly, what I mean is that the people writing these book probably never saw all the plants they write about.
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Yes, Luit, I realise the colour descriptions are not very useful. The important thing was to help confirm your idea about Whitewell referring to Rev. Joseph Jabob's rectory, as you mentioned to Thomas.
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Sorry Martin, my reply was suddenly in the Forum without being ready. Now it is. ??? ???
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Staale,
Maybe our climates are similar, even though Newfoundland is, in fact, much further south. I have a few crocus in my lawn, although not on the scale of Thomas. C. nudiflorus does very well here and builds up patches as it's stoloniferous, C. speciosus is not so good, but its offspring with C. pulchellus - 'Zephyr' is better. I haven't tried C. kotschyanus in grass yet, although I might this year as it's doing reasonably well in a bed. I've tried a few others, but our conditions are too hard for them.
Incidentally, C. nudiflorus has persisted in the UK in places where there were mediaeval "Lammas fields". These were grazed in summer and winter, but left alone in spring and autumn, just suiting the requirements for leaves and flowers. The only site in the UK I really knew was at Warwick race-course, where they even flowered in the middle of the track when I was there ten years or so ago. One problem is that the local council had been encouraged to "protect" them and had fenced off the area beside the track where they grew, and didn't mow at all - allowing other vegetation to take over. I wonder if there are any left now?
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Here is my photo showing all tommasinianus cultivars that I had at the time
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Mark, can you recall which was which??
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Apropos 'Ruby Giant'. In 'The Smaller Bulbs' (1987), BM opines that this form ("a very fine deep purple colour") is probably a hybrid with C.vernus. This is not mentioned in 'The Crocus' (1982). The plants I grow as 'Ruby Giant' (if they are this form) are certainly very different in shape to the plants I grow as plain C. tommasinianus (which they probably are). The former are much more goblet shaped.
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Luit and Martin, thanks for the research about the name "Whitewell Purple".
Yesterday I took all the books I have and had a look for a detailed description about both tommies.
But it is as Luit mentions: Impossible to get a clear answer - 2 books seem to confirm my opinion, 2 don't :-\
But then I took the "Checklist of Hyacintes and miscellaneous bulbs" published by the KAVB which
is responsible for registration all the Dutch cultivars. This is the only source, that mentions a "lighter
base" in Ruby Giant which would mean that the first plant top row in Mark's photo is Whitewell Purple and
the second - with the lighter base - is Ruby Giant. The rest are: Roseus, Lilac Beauty, Bobbo, Pictus
and Barr's Purple.
Luit, perhaps you could again ask Johan vS what he thinks.
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Thomas (or others); I am also considering planting autumn flowering crocuses in my lawn, wich is fairly sunny and dry. However, my autumn is much shorter because I live so far north, so the later ones won't be able to make much impact. What would be useful to know is the order in wich the autumn flowering species start to flower.
Staale, Howard has already given some good thoughts, I will try to add some more:
Generally it is not easy to say a species flowers early or not - for example Crocus speciosus: The first in my garden start in August and the last flowers in December. Ian Young has Crocus vallicola and banaticus also starting in August and flowering until December. My advice is to try some corms and wait for the result.
Autumn crocus do NOT start growing after the calendar - if the temperatures fall below a particular temperature they get their start signal. So I guess, that the plants start growing much earlier for you in the North than for me in Germany.
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Here are some tommasinianus photos from my hard drive
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Alba
Alba CRO1022
Bobbo
Eric Smith
Lavender Striped
Lilac Beauty
Pictus
var roseus
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Crocus thomasinianus in my garden
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Pics from Crocus the Türkei
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Here are some tommasinianus photos from my hard drive
I know that Ian Young grows crocus in his gravel drive, but through tarmac ;D
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dont make me laugh too hard, it hurts
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Karl - very nice crocus and very good pics. Thanks!
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Tony and Armin, you might be right, that Karl's Crocus looks like a tommi,
but please note the wide leaves!! Points for a vernus in my opinion! Crocus
vernus might have a coloured stem, but also white stems exist. quote from Feb2008 Thomas H
I think we may be being fooled Thomas - I see both wide and narrow leaves in the pic. Is this a mixed planting? Also Dubrovnic is mentioned for the location which is coastal ... I think of vernus as a mountain species. The way the outer petals have opened leaving the inner ones more upright suggests tommasinianus to me.
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Armin, Are the colours in your pics reasonably accurate? If they are, then what I grow as 'Ruby Giant' (obtained more than 15 years ago & not all that big) is more like your 'Whitewell Purple' (true). To add to the confusion, my form has white tubes.
Gerry,
I admit the picture of "Ruby Giant" was taken in full sunshine and my digicam made it a bit too reddish. In reality it is more purple. But it is definitively different in color and size compared to "whitewell purple" and C.tommasianus. The flowers are steril and I think you are right they are a hybrid with C.vernus.
My "Giants" have a darker stem too.
Tony,
I did recognize the wider leaves too. Hmm... :-\
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Good job there are no little green marks as well ;D
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here are some from me. I know I should be taking it easy but the urge was there
reticulata Little Amber
open
outers
back lit
rujanensis
tomm Lavender Striped other than possibly virused can anyone confirm it's ID
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Mark,
beautiful pictures and cultivars.
Your C. rujanensis has lots of pollen.
Any crosses planed?
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Good job there are no little green marks as well ;D
and no pin & thrum ;D
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Armin I dont know Crocus well enough to start hybridising. I dont know the family groups
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if I'm correct C. rujanensis belongs to group reticulati
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here are some from me. I know I should be taking it easy but the urge was there
Mark,
Such is the way of the White Fever, the Iris Virus, and the Crocus Focus....... we just can't help ourselves when the urge overtakes us!! ;)
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I think we may be being fooled Thomas - I see both wide and narrow leaves in the pic. Is this a mixed planting? Also Dubrovnic is mentioned for the location which is coastal ... I think of vernus as a mountain species. The way the outer petals have opened leaving the inner ones more upright suggests tommasinianus to me.
Tony the few small leaves I see, seem to grow in a nearby pot.
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Some more photos from the Hubi-garden:
- my lawn yesterday, when the sun was shining but the temperatures did not allow all the plants to open
- mixed chrysanthus bed
- a wonderful dark form of biflorus ssp pulchricolor
- chrysanthus "Goldmine" - should be double flowering, but the corms were very small when I planted them.
I'm hoping for double flowers next year.
- chrysanthus "Herald" close-up
- chrysanthus "Prins Claus" in my lawn
- chrysanthus "Romance" in my lawn, a very, very vigorous plant
- C. korolkowii, 3rd generation seedlings from wild collected material
- korolkowii close up
- Iris danfordiae in my lawn
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A couple of year ago I bought some korolkowii corms out of Holland. They were huge maybe the size of centre of finger and thumb doing the OK sign. They flowered fantastically and never came back
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Great pictures again Thomas, your lawn will never stop amazing me ! :o
I agree with you C. biflorus ssp pulchricolor is a real gem !
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it's reassuring to read that your 'Goldmine' are single just like mine and as ever your collection is jaw dropping
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Thomas your garden is wonderful!!!
Karl
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Fantastic as ALWAYS Thomas. As inspiring as ever. Once my garden is finished I must print a picture of your lawn off and take it out and show the garden, to let it know where it's origins lie!! ;D
Thoroughly enjoying the pics, and looking forward to seeing more. 8)
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Armin, Are the colours in your pics reasonably accurate? If they are, then what I grow as 'Ruby Giant' (obtained more than 15 years ago & not all that big) is more like your 'Whitewell Purple' (true). To add to the confusion, my form has white tubes.
Gerry,
I admit the picture of "Ruby Giant" was taken in full sunshine and my digicam made it a bit too reddish. In reality it is more purple. But it is definitively different in color and size compared to "whitewell purple" and C.tommasianus. The flowers are steril and I think you are right they are a hybrid with C.vernus.
My "Giants" have a darker stem too.
Armin, Gerry,
Mine with dark tubes and bought as 'Ruby Giant' (probably Dutch bulbs) match Armin's description as well as Luit's photo. They are also sterile, clearly larger than my other tommasinianus forms, and have a distinct look of vernus about them. I'd agree that they are very likely a hybrid.
Great pictures Thomas.
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Lovely display, Thomas. I'll invite myself to come and have a look next year if I get myself a new publisher for Germany so I can combine business with pleasure. ;)
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Diane - a great start for a crocus lawn - looks like my own lawn 7 years ago.
Advance is a very small cultivar - I also have some on my lawn, but it is too small to be seen well in the grass.
Negro Boy is always the last cultivar coming into flower in my garden - it's not to late for yours!
This thread is moving too fast to keep up. ;D
Thanks Thomas, it was nice to see your lawn 7 years ago. We can see that Chris has grown as well as the crocuses! On the old picture and your recent picture, your grass is a lot shorter than ours. Do you cut it before the crocuses are showing? Or is your climate colder than ours so it hasn't started growing round? I've been warning my husband to cut round the clumps as they were emerging but I think we could have cut it shorter before they emerged. Still awaiting Negro Boy and Blue Bird although the latter has started coming through this week. I'm thinking of adding some Iris and snowdrops later this year.
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I think we may be being fooled Thomas - I see both wide and narrow leaves in the pic. Is this a mixed planting? Also Dubrovnic is mentioned for the location which is coastal ... I think of vernus as a mountain species. The way the outer petals have opened leaving the inner ones more upright suggests tommasinianus to me.
Tony the few small leaves I see, seem to grow in a nearby pot.
You are right about the different pots - it was late and my eyesight must have been failing me! It still looks like a tommy to me though :) :) :) Good friends can enjoy having different opinions :D
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Armin, Gerry,
Mine with dark tubes and bought as 'Ruby Giant' (probably Dutch bulbs) match Armin's description as well as Luit's photo. They are also sterile, clearly larger than my other tommasinianus forms, and have a distinct look of vernus about them. I'd agree that they are very likely a hybrid.
I've just been out in the garden to look at the remaining plants which I supposed to be 'Ruby Giant' (probably bought in Woolworths - a good source of bulbs in years gone by). Of the plants which are very similar in shape & colour, most have completely white tubes & a few have tubes which are darker at the top. Which, if any, are the original plants I'm not sure since the garden is full of seedlings of various colours - no whites though.
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(probably bought in Woolworths - a good source of bulbs in years gone by)
And other plants, too.... we have a couple of good Camellias that came from Woolies 8)
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Not sure if this helps or hinders but here are a couple of pictures I posted last year of what I bought as Whitewell Purple but the balance of opinion on the Forum suggested they were Ruby Giant (OR did I amend my file name later and originally posted Ruby Giant but the balance of opinion suggested they were Whitewell Purple)??
OK I agree, this hinders :-[
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Gerry, Ashley, thanks for your comments.
I checked the web pages for "Ruby Giant" pictures. Almost all "dutch" clones match my discription with a darker stem. The question to me is really which form was first and official registered...
Thomas, great pictures - as always ;)
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Thank you for the suggestion on Crocus nudiflorus, Howard and Thomas. Will give it a try in my lawn. The point about autumn crocuses not following the calendar is also a good one. I have observed this on other autumn crocuses here in my rock garden section.
Thanks to everyone for great pictures. Keep them coming to save me from our still snowy surrowndings.
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Going back to the discussion on page 2 of this thread, although I don't have tommies in named patches nowadays, only a general mix, when I first bought them, way back in the 1960s, from Van Tubergen in Holland, the ones with PURPLE in their name like 'Barr's Purple' and 'Whitewell Purple' did tend to be straight purple, if you know what I mean, while the ones with RUBY in their name, 'Taplow Ruby' and 'Ruby Giant' were toward the red end of purple, as one might expect.
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Luit, in my copy of Collins Guide To Bulbs, by Patrick Synge (1961) it says 'Whitewell Purple' is "Named after the rectory where Rev. Joseph Jacob collected together so many unusual and good plants. Flower purplish-mauve outside, pale silvery-mauve inside. " There are also short descriptions for 'Taplow Ruby' and 'Barr's Purple' if you want those too.
Thank you Martin, I do have the book.
But with these colour descriptions you wouldn't come far.
To quote P. Synge: Fl. purplish-mauve,but not quite so deep in colour although bluer than the preceeding (Taplow Ruby)
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And for Taplow Ruby he gives: Dark rich reddish-purple, probably the deepest coloured form.
I cannot find any blue in this description.
So my question is: how blue is his or your or mine blue?
Blue in sunny weather or blue in rainy weather or blue after a long evening in the pub?
And then we have Mr. Mathew; Ruby Giant (red-purple, Taplow Ruby ( the deepest reddish purple)
What's the difference?
Shortly, what I mean is that the people writing these book probably never saw all the plants they write about.
I would suggest that both Mr Mathew and Mr Synge know the plants very well indeed, before writing about them, especially crocuses. If `Taplow Ruby' is in any doubt, forget blue altogether. There is NO hint of blue or bluish, in sun or shade, cool or warm, rain or shine or at any time at all and after a long evening in the pub only the air is likely to be blue. TR and RG are purple tending towards red only. The COLOUR of RG and TR is the same, but the INTENSITY of colour, is deeper, richer, in TR.
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Going back to the discussion on page 2 of this thread, although I don't have tommies in named patches nowadays, only a general mix, when I first bought them, way back in the 1960s, from Van Tubergen in Holland, the ones with PURPLE in their name like 'Barr's Purple' and 'Whitewell Purple' did tend to be straight purple, if you know what I mean, while the ones with RUBY in their name, 'Taplow Ruby' and 'Ruby Giant' were toward the red end of purple, as one might expect.
Hi Lesley,
Based on what you say, as well as Mark's picture of various forms and Thomas' comments, the form Armin and I have (& Luit photographed) as 'Ruby Giant' is probably 'Whitewell Purple' after all. There's certainly no hint of red that I can see.
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Like Ashley, I now think that the form I thought to be 'Ruby Giant' is more likely to be 'Whitewell Purple', or seedlings from this. I note that, like Mathew, Ruksans suggests that 'Ruby Giant is a sterile hybrid.
I agree with Lesley that both Synge & Mathew had, more than likely, seen the plants they write about. In this connection, I defy anyone to produce descriptions of some of the variants pictured by Mark which would enable anyone else to identify them with certainty. I don't know, in the abstract, what the difference is between 'violet', 'purple' & 'red-purple'.
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Not sure if this helps or hinders but here are a couple of pictures I posted last year of what I bought as Whitewell Purple but the balance of opinion on the Forum suggested they were Ruby Giant (OR did I amend my file name later and originally posted Ruby Giant but the balance of opinion suggested they were Whitewell Purple)??
Mine's like this too David, so maybe the latter?
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I suppose all this is one very compelling argument for all registered names to be complete with an official colour description using the (horribly expensive) RHS colour chart ? ??? :-\
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I suppose all this is one very compelling argument for all registered names to be complete with an official colour description using the (horribly expensive) RHS colour chart ? ??? :-\
Saw a 2 volume set (bit tatty on the outside but good inside) in a second hand bookshop I know for £25 if it's still there when next I go would anyone be interested at that price plus my postage costs?
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Certainly would be, David. I would gladly take you up on that offer, if they're still there.
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Maggi, will PM you.
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Here, if it is of any interest, are the entries for C. tommasinianus from the old Hoogdix web site (RHS colour charts at the ready!):
tommasinianus Herb. * From gardens. Flowers small, inside pale violet. Outside often silvery-grey. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Albus' * Found at Oxford B.G., Harcourt Arboretum as a lovely seedling. Numerous white flowers, highly recommended for naturalising. Ht. 5-7 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Barr's Purple' * Introduced by Messrs Barr & Sons of London. Flowers deep amethyst-violet. Exterior of outer segments grey. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Lilac Beauty' * Introduced by Messrs M. Thoolen. Flowers small and slender. Violet inside, outside light lilac. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Pictus' * A very fine seedling from Mr Bowles' garden. Large lavender flowers with distinct, large purple tips. Naturalises well, true from seed. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Roseus' * Selected and raised by E.A. Bowles. This is the 'pinkest' C. tommasinianus seedling currently on offer. It is bright cyclamen-pink. Naturalises well. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Ruby Giant' * Raised by J. Roozen-Kramer of Bennebroek. Fairly large spectrum-violet flowers, with base and margin paler coloured. Floriferous. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
tommasinianus Herb. 'Whitewell Purple' * Raised by the Rev. Joseph Jacob. Fine reddish-purple flowers in profusion. Ht. 5-8 cm. II - III.
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The only thing I can say is that I have seen all three varieties myself and I know that they are all three more than 20 years cultivated by the same ( very secure) person.
Looking at Barr's Purple I can see a little bit of purple, and it's the earliest flowering one.
Whitewell Purple flowers second and has much more purple.
And Ruby Giant is the last and the GIANT of the three, so thinking logically........
To make it easier I put the pics on this page again.
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Here is another form of Crocus tommasinianus for you to identify. Seen at Kew a couple of weeks ago. It really was quite a pinky lilac, not purple at all. It also seemed very uniform, so despite the ?millions in the planting I think they have mass planted a single clone.
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And at Wisley last week (I had not been to either garden more then once in the last 10 years before the last 2 weeks!)
Crocus vernus in the alpine meadow. Some nice seedlings, some making good clumps. I think the meadow is my favourite feature at Wisley. The middle one of the close-ups is possibly a hybrid with C tommasinianus which grows nearby.
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And also at Wisley but not as interesting as the meadow was the trial of small spring flowering crocus. It was a bit late in the season but the trial was not by any means a complete cross-section of the available taxa. Highlight of the event for me was a talk from Janis Rukans about his experience of crocus in the wild. His adventures are not dissimilar to those of Stellan in Armenia and elsewhere. He talked of going to bed in under canvas wearing all the clothes he had with him but waking at 3am frozen cold to find a layer of ice on the inside of the tent! Thats dedication to a cause.
The crocus collection at Wisley is quite extensive but was mostly past flowering. (At Kew they should probably burn the lot :o - made my virus problems look tame :()
The one close-up below is of a C vernus x tommasinianus. Very similar to 'Pictus' but the size of C vernus. Nice!
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TonyG, does the C vernus x tommasinianus , have a name?
Crocus vernus 'Tatra Shades' ~ This gives the impression of a C. vernus doing an impression of C. tommasinianus 'Pictus'. Silvery lavender flowers daubed at their tips with rich violet-purple. We're impressed. Montane; Carpathian Mtns. Zone 5.
I bought 2 corms from Odyssey Bulbs, hopefully they are like the one you have pictured, very nice.
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I suppose all this is one very compelling argument for all registered names to be complete with an official colour description using the (horribly expensive) RHS colour chart ? ??? :-\
Saw a 2 volume set (bit tatty on the outside but good inside) in a second hand bookshop I know for £25 if it's still there when next I go would anyone be interested at that price plus my postage costs?
David - please, please - if you have the RHS colour chart: Try to bring light in that horrible Ruby Giant/Whitewell Purple confusion!
Ruby Giant has colour 735/2 spectrum violet!
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This thread is moving too fast to keep up. ;D
Thanks Thomas, it was nice to see your lawn 7 years ago. We can see that Chris has grown as well as the crocuses! On the old picture and your recent picture, your grass is a lot shorter than ours. Do you cut it before the crocuses are showing? Or is your climate colder than ours so it hasn't started growing round? I've been warning my husband to cut round the clumps as they were emerging but I think we could have cut it shorter before they emerged. Still awaiting Negro Boy and Blue Bird although the latter has started coming through this week. I'm thinking of adding some Iris and snowdrops later this year.
Diane, I don't cut my lawn in spring, last cutting is in September/October. I'm sure we have colder climate here than you as my grass starts
to grow in April and it's never looking so compact and green like yours. Perhaps a mowing before the Crocus appear would be good for you.
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Thank you for the suggestion on Crocus nudiflorus, Howard and Thomas. Will give it a try in my lawn. The point about autumn crocuses not following the calendar is also a good one. I have observed this on other autumn crocuses here in my rock garden section.
Thanks to everyone for great pictures. Keep them coming to save me from our still snowy surrowndings.
Staale it's not only Crocus nudiflorus - I guess all the crocus flowering without leaves would be OK for you as there are:
speciosus, pulchellus, kotschyanus, banaticus. From Göte in Sweden I know, that he has problems with autumn Crocus that flower
with their leaves (coming from warmer climates), so I would not recommend to use them in Norway, too!
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I have the chart but I'm unable to reach the Crocus just now. Maybe this weekend
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I have the chart but I'm unable to reach the Crocus just now. Maybe this weekend
OK Mark - so we're impatiently waiting for the Irish results! ::)
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More on ‘Ruby Giant’ & ‘Whitewell Purple’
Hoogdix describes the colour of RG as “spectrum violet” & that of WP as “reddish purple”. These colour-terms mean nothing to me. In the absence of RHS colour charts (& of the plants) I thought it might be fun to put Luit’s photos into an image editing program (‘Color It’) which permits the analysis of colour in terms of hue, saturation & brightness. I made 5 measurements on different parts of the perianth of each plant (the right-hand WP in the photo) & took the average. In terms of hue the varieties are indistinguishable (277 vs. 275). The colour of RG is a little more saturated (65 vs. 59) & somewhat less bright (34 vs 40) than that of WP.
This bit of primitive science merely confirms objectively what can be determined by eye. Side by side the two plants will be distinguishable in terms of colour but a positive identification will be extremely difficult. I suspect it will be impossible to identify an isolated plant on the basis of perianth colour alone. Size, of course, is dependent on cultivation conditions. On the basis of Luit’s photos, & if his plants are true to name, it would seem that the only visible difference which might permit positive identification is the somewhat darker colour at the top of the tube in RG. I suspect the confusion will persist.
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Gerry, would not the light pertaining at the time Luit took his pictures have a diluting or enhancing effect?
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Gerry, would not the light pertaining at the time Luit took his pictures have a diluting or enhancing effect?
Yes David. I assumed that the light conditions were comparable. I presume Luit posted his pics so that we could compare RG & WP. My bit of "primitive science" was an attempt to make the comparison slightly more objective &, as I said, merely confirmed what could be seen. I think the results are suggestive rather than conclusive. I wonder whether confronting the living plants with an RHS colour chart would be any more conclusive.
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Hi all ,
I had a similar question like Karl before some days -also I discuss with Thomas about this plant - what is this ??
It was found in Montenegro ....is this tommasinianus or vernus ?
Before some days I have shown a pic from a C. vernus from Mt. Orjen ( this is not so far from this location )
The leaves are similar !
Any ideas ?
What you think now Thomas ?
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Looks like pure vernus ssp vernus to me!
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I thought my Crocus were mainly over but to my surprise one is also up and flowering after me thinking it was dead. A couple of late ones are now flowering and I see others that will come in to flower next week
Carpathian Wonder
heuffelianus
heuffelianus ex Kath Dryden - are those natural stripes or virus?
vernus clone B x2
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heuffelianus ex Kath Dryden - are those natural stripes or virus?
Looks a bit worrying to me, Mark.
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Quote from: mark smyth on Today at 03:25:04 PM
heuffelianus ex Kath Dryden - are those natural stripes or virus?
Looks a bit worrying to me, Mark.
And me..... :P
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Mark,
your C. heuffelianus made me think of my C. etruscus last year.
Here are two pix of the same little group of C. etruscus
1) 2007 looking a bit "awkward"
2) 2008 looking "normal"
The pictures were taken with different cameras which explains the colour difference.
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During the last few days I have studied extensively the three Crocuses, i.e:
Barr’s Purple, Whitewell Purple and Ruby Giant.
I made many pictures of them and studied the colours with a simple Colourchart:
J.H. Wanscher; Farbbestimmung von Blumen leicht gemacht.
This chart uses 21 important colours.
I believe in the first RHS Colour Cart were more than 8000 colours.
When looking at HCC 735/2 (T.H.) of Crocus Whi ……….
I come to the following description: [lebhaft violet] : Vivid violet
Here starts the big problem: In most descriptions in books or catalogues are all three Crocuses called more or less PURPLE.
Using my chart I always come to violet to bluish-violet.
Barr’s Purple shows HCC 639/1 : radiate clear bluish-violet and the inside shows
A clear bluish violett
Whitewell Purple shows HCC 735/2 : vivid-violet
The next day I thought it being HCC 738/1 : deep bluish-violet
Ruby Giant shows from 635 radiate violet to strong vivid-violet, while the inside of the flower shows a more clear bluish-violet (HCC 639/2)
And the next day I thought it was vivid bluish-violet to radiate clear bluish-violet.
I can tell you when looking at the colours with sunshine, clouds or artificial light, you will get different results.
The same counts for making pictures.
I’ll probably never be able to make the same pict. as Thomas of his Crocus Whitewell Purple,(or Ruby Giant) in the grass, because of the radiation is so different from that in my place near the sea.
I put some different pictures hereby (again) and a picture of a part of the Colourchart I used.
My final conclusion is that both, Barr’s Purple and Whitewell Purple are C. tommasinianus and Ruby Giant is obviously mixed with some C. vernus.
So here are the pictures:
Crocus Barr's Purple (2)
Crocus Barr's Purple (4)
Crocus Barr's Purple
02 Crocus Whitewell Purple
06 Crocus Whitewell Purple
Cr Whitewell Purple T.H. i.e. Ruby Giant
001 Crocus Ruby Giant
002 Crocus Ruby Giant
01 Crocus Ruby Giant
04 Crocus Ruby Giant
05 Crocus Ruby Giant
Colours
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last batch:
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Thank you for these last postings, Luit. You have made extensive reseaches in the matter and have had sage advice from your good friend and fellow countryman, a bulb expert whose opinion is greatly valued. I think we can now put to rest our "worryings" over this matter. You have cast as much light as is possible and I, for one, am content that we can go no further with it.
So, we'll call this an end to the matter! :-X
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The Crocus like the sun!
Crocus neapolitanus (2x), atticus (sieberi ssp.?), Colch hungaricum (different colours), Bulboc. vernum, ?
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And the last 2 Crocus ( ? and tomm. alb.)
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Sorry to cause more problems Hans but do you think your atticus pictures above could be sieberi ssp. sublimis f. tricolor?
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Thank you Lesley, yes it is sieberi.
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During the last few days I have studied extensively the three Crocuses, i.e:
Barr’s Purple, Whitewell Purple and Ruby Giant.
I made many pictures of them and studied the colours with a simple Colourchart:
J.H. Wanscher; Farbbestimmung von Blumen leicht gemacht.
Luit,
thank you for scruting the color details. I have no doubt your pictures show "Ruby Giant".
The obvious two different commercial forms of "Whitewell Purple" are still my remaining concern. >:(
I don't see a solution... :(
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Mark,
your C. heuffelianus made me think of my C. etruscus last year.
Here are two pix of the same little group of C. etruscus
1) 2007 looking a bit "awkward"
2) 2008 looking "normal"
The pictures were taken with different cameras which explains the colour difference.
Hello Luc,
my C.etruscus "Zwanenburg" looked year to date like your 2) 2008 looking "normal", having many little streaks (no virus, leaves normal)
Surprisingly to me all my C. etruscus "Zwanenburg" look this year like attached. They grow on the same place and have been not lifted.
I find this an very interesting feature of this clone...
Does anyone else made this kind of discovery?
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Let the sun more shine on my crocus :)
My lawn today.
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At the recent crocus day at RHS Wisley there was a suggestion that the trade C etruscus carries a virus. This does not seriously weaken the plants but shows itself in the variable streaks that we have noticed in our plants. .....Of course what we cannot be sure of is what this virus will do to other crocuses that may not have the same resistance or strong constitution. :(
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.....Of course what we cannot be sure of is what this virus will do to other crocuses that may not have the same resistance or strong constitution. :(
Besides, it looks terrible. >:(
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Armin, your Crocus lawn is beginning to rival Thomas' lawn. :D
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Great pics everyone!!
Mark, I have yet to see a pic of 'Carpathian Wonder' that I don't like. Hopefully Marcus H. will import this one day, if he hasn't already. :D
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What a great lawn, Armin - but please don't forget the path through the plants ;D
Luit, many thanks for your extensive studies to clarify that tommi-mystery. Seems like I was wrong :'( Please forgive me :-\
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Great lawn Armin !!
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Paul, Marcus Harvey did import 'Carpathian Wonder' some years ago from Janis R., I've had it for a couple of years , but no encrease so far ., but should it oblige , I'll remember you.
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Otto,
You're far too kind. So is it as nice in person as it is in the pics? I'd figured that MH would have or would be going to import it at some stage as it is so distinctive, although there are a couple of distinctive ones Janis has released now in the heuffelianus.
Hopefully it'll be like 'Hubert Edelsten'.... sits there for a couple of years doing not a lot other than increasing a bit in size, then it starts to increase a bit. Lyn's did that here in Canberra and she gave me a tiny offset years ago when she only had a couple of corms...... mine has grown for 3 years, getting bigger each year, and now has a tiny offset with it. Hers, since they got to offsetting stage, have grown well and she has a good clump of them. Maybe it is just a matter of waiting long enough (which is almost always the way isn't it! ::)) We gardeners are generally an impatient lot, although I can't be too bad or I wouldn't be growing stuff from seed. ;D
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I suppose all this is one very compelling argument for all registered names to be complete with an official colour description using the (horribly expensive) RHS colour chart ? ??? :-\
I just picked one of many quotes regarding discussion about RHS Colour Chart.
Maybe have a look at the Azalea Society of America or is it possible to make a link from SRGC to this Society.
http://www.azaleas.org/azcolorhelp.html#ucl
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This just flowered from exchange seed collected in Slovenia, so would like comment on whether it is correctly named. The first pic of the outside was taken early in the day when overcast and so looks bluer than the open flower taken late afternoon in sun,which has a redder tinge.
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John, Crocus vernus ssp vernus is generally correct, but the beautiful colored tips point for ssp heuffelianus
which was a variant of ssp vernus before Brian Mathew has taken it to ssp-status in 2001.
The following photos were all taken today, from different angles, in difficult light conditions due to fast
moving clouds in the sky - hope you will enjoy the show:
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Hubi! How lovely... I will even make a choice and pick my favourite of these pictures: number 57, with the sun shining through the flowers.... exquisite 8)
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A good choice, Maggi :-*
Some more close-ups:
- Crocus candidus, generally only one or two broad leaves, this form has 4!
- C. chrysanthus Willem van Eeden, a new cultivar from Holland
- C. chrysanthus Princess Beatrix, an old cultivar not easy to get in trade - this one came from Dix and looks true to me!
- C. chrysanthus Herald, a nice clump of the soft-yellow edged dark-purple beauty.
4 different forms of Crocus malyi:
- Ballerina (also from Dix and true)
- Sveti Roc
- from wild collected seeds showing some variation
- a small narrow-petaled form
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Beautiful, Thomas! I also like pic. 57. I assume it's a cultivar of C. vernus. What's it called?
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Martin, its what I bought as tommasinianus Whitewell Purple, but is now identified by Luit van Delft as the true Ruby Giant!
If you want to have some plants in summer, please tell me know as they are out now. I will not find them on the lawn in summer :-\
Some final photos of vernus variants:
- scepusiensis var leucostigma with its white stigma - I love it 8)
- a beautiful hybrid of the big vernus monsters, that I generally don't like, but this one with the silvery-edged petals.... :o
- and a white form with a soft blue hint and beautiful veining
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Martin, its what I bought as tommasinianus Whitewell Purple, but is now identified by Luit van Delft as the true Ruby Giant!
You see Thomas, now you give it a name everybody suddenly likes it! :D :D :D
I'm very happy I received a big pot last Friday, before the prices rise... ;D ;D
Such a lucky man, talking about sunshine today.
Well here the gales were not so heavy as forecasted and now a bit blue is coming through the clouds.
Oh, I almost forgot to compliment you with these beatiful pictures!!
Some of these Crocuses I will show in the Conn. Coll. too.
PS. Look out for these white flowering weeds in the lawn! ::) ::) ::)
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PS. Look out for these white flowering weeds in the lawn! ::) ::) ::)
Luit, I've noticed these weeds, but I'm sure the virus they carry is not dangerous for crocus!! 8)
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Thomas,
What a show !
The overall views of your lawn are once again amazing, what a splash of colour :o
I do spot some grass every now and then though 8)
Your C. malyi collection is also very impressive.
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Can we make a date for this time next year? I want to see it for real!! I'm off to visit Margaret G now so I'll drag son number 3 off his laptop for her to see these amazing shots
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At the recent crocus day at RHS Wisley there was a suggestion that the trade C etruscus carries a virus. This does not seriously weaken the plants but shows itself in the variable streaks that we have noticed in our plants. .....Of course what we cannot be sure of is what this virus will do to other crocuses that may not have the same resistance or strong constitution. :(
Tony,
that's a possible reason for the streaks in clone "Zwanenburg". Interestingly, my corms in flower are definitvely not grown from seed and look virus free (no streaks) the first time, if the suggestion and my assumption is right.
It would be interesting to know if a virus is still resident or extirpated :-\
And, what makes this virus decease happen and curing?
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Armin, your Crocus lawn is beginning to rival Thomas' lawn. :D
Lesley,
Luc,
thanks. My crocus lawn "is by far not beginning to rival Thomas' lawn."
I'm running decades behind ::)...but thanks to the great support from the forum members I gain more knowledge and pace to relize my tiny personal paradise ;D
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What a great lawn, Armin - but please don't forget the path through the plants ;D
Luit, many thanks for your extensive studies to clarify that tommi-mystery. Seems like I was wrong :'( Please forgive me :-\
Thomas, I know the mystery paths across my crocus dschungle ;D
Great pix from your lawn - unbeatable 8)
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Beautiful lawn Thomas, and cracking pictures.
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Here some closer shots...
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You have some lovely plants there Armin, what a spectacular show.
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Such wonderful pictures of these crocus lawns, it makes me want to try too! My lawn is very mossy and wet during the winter, I think the crocuses would not like it :(
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A beautiful show Armin!
I wonder how many Crocuses I would need in my lawn to come to
such a result for a start. ::) ::) ;D
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Well, in Neustadt it took 10,000, Luit!! ::) 8) :o
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Glorious pics everyone. Thomas your lawn is stunning as always. Excellent pics Armin!! :D
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Great lawn shows Thomas and Armin and all. The Crocuses season is nearly over here. The last one, Fantasy
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Do,
What a stunner!! Never seen that one before!!!!!
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Dom, is it white on the outside?
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C. versicolor JMH 8215 started flowering a few weeks ago but I could not decide which photo I liked so pick your favourite :D.
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The same with C. kosaninii both with flash but different backgrounds
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and close-up flash or over-exposed ?
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Great pix everyone !
Armin, some very beatiful chrysanthus there ! - are they all still flowering now, mine have been over since a few weeks already.
Dominique,
I've never seen that one - I suppose the outside is greyish/white ?
Andrew,
I love your C. versicolor !!!
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Can we make a date for this time next year? I want to see it for real!!
No problem, Mark - you're always welcome here in Neustadt including a free chamber in my house!
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Such wonderful pictures of these crocus lawns, it makes me want to try too!
My lawn is very mossy and wet during the winter, I think the crocuses would not like it :(
Anne, my lawn is also very wet during the winter months and due to the acer trees in the front
I also have some moss. But this is no problem for the crocus cultivars (vernus, chrysanthus,
biflorus, tommasinianus, etruscus and sieberi) only C. korolkowii and ancyrensis do not feel
well there! Also chrysanthus Jeannine became less and less in the last years!
Armin, you have a good selection in your garden. Where did you buy Jeannine? Mine from Dix
last year were Prins Claus :-[ Ladykiller is known to carry a virus from Dutch stocks - better
kill them - NOW!
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Thanks for the advice Thomas and congratulations on the super pictures and to the others who have posted.
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Thanks for the advice, Thomas. Maybe we will start this year.
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When making pictures at the field of the Connoisseur Collection I found the next two Crocuses.
Both are beautiful and the only difference I can find, is that Cr. Negro Boy starts flowering a few days after Cr. Purpureus Grandiflorus.
Interesting I find that both were delivered in September 2003 by the same nursery.
(And this is not a Dutch Nursery)
Who can tell me the difference?
It's ofcourse a way to sell more bulbs with new different names.
Oh, and there is still Paulus Potter from the same source????
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Well, well, this is a surprise, Luit! :o I have been admiring these very dark crocus and I looked between them and thought that they lookes very similar. But diferent days, diefferent light... it can be very hard to tell.....now you tell us this, and you have looked at the flowers with your own eyes ......even the Paulus Potter is very close.......this is a confusion for us, once again! ???
I did read somewhere, that 'Negro Boy' was now being sold under another name, because that name was thought to be too impolite nowadays....but these names are not the one. :-X :-\
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I certainly can't see any difference. I suppose 'Negro Boy' was thought to be politically incorrect. It's OK to say someone is black but not that someone is negro or negroid, yet those two words simply mean.....Black! Perhaps it's the associations rather than the words themselves.
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Heres a site list of named crocus, many I have never heard of. Too bad there isn't pictures of these never heard of/seen crocus.
http://www.plantago.nl/plantindex/plants/c/Crocus/Crocus.htm
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Luit
One of my collegues in Russia grows around 50 different varieties of Dutch crocus vernus hybrids, many of which are now very rare in trade. I will ask him to clarify this matter.
So far I can say that your both pictures illustrate the same variety 'Nigro Boy'. 'Purpureus Grandiflorus' is rather paler and very close by its colour to 'Flower Record' being slightly larger and having longer filaments. 'Paulus Potter' has unique colour for crocus vernus hybrids - purplish-magenta.
I don't understand why people think that nigro is not polite, as it is not 'Nigger Boy', but 'Nigro Boy'. If people are affended to be called nigros, they can also be affended to be called black, as those words mean almost the same meaning, first indicating the origin, second - colour.
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Luit, I agree with Zhirair, true Purpureus grandiflorus is much brighter than Negro Boy.
I had it once, but it looked like Remembrance so I guess it wasn't the right thing.
Here the description of the KAVB list:
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My collegue from Estonia Svetlana Polonskaya grows both 'Flower Record' and 'Purpureus Grandiflorus'. That's what she told
'Flower record' has purple flowres darker at the base from outside;
'Purpureus Grandiflorus' has medium-sized uniform purple flowers, darket at the base from outside, and its flowers are slightly darker than those of 'Flower Record'.
She's sent its photo, which I attache to this meesage
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Oh! Oh, Luit, here we go again!! ???
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I certainly can't see any difference. I suppose 'Negro Boy' was thought to be politically incorrect. It's OK to say someone is black but not that someone is negro or negroid, yet those two words simply mean.....Black! Perhaps it's the associations rather than the words themselves.
Partly that I suppose. Was it Peter Ustinov who once got into trouble at US Immigration by classifying himself as 'pink'?
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A beautiful show Armin!
I wonder how many Crocuses I would need in my lawn to come to
such a result for a start. ::) ::) ;D
Hi et all,
thank you for your compliments. My lawn is my tiny paradise.
Hello Luit, Hello Anne and all others interested in a crocus lawn,
you have to invest in a few hundred corms...as more the better ;D. Start with cheap clones as Thomas recommended.
Important is not to mow the gras before crocus get dormant, thats usually eof May. I admit that's a long period and your lawn will not look not like "an English lawn" - more like a meadow. But that's essential for success.
Since 3 years I stopped to fertilize my lawn with nitrogen to limit gras growth which turns out to be a very useful measure. In autuum and spring I spread "Patentkali" (pottasium,magnesium,phosphat fertilzer). As my soil is very loamy and heavy, I addtional had spread sand and grinded limestone last autuum in the hope soil and sand will mix slowly. After the summer heat I scarify the lawn on demand to remove dry gras and moss.
With this treatment my privious "English lawn" is converting slowly to a meadow and many new flowers appear like primulas, campanulas, chrysanthem ect. and they feel happy.
Hello Luc,
most of my chrysanthus cultivars are still in flower as my lawn is on the nothern side of my house which makes a lot of shadow especial when the sun is still in low level Jan/Feb.time frame.
Early flowering cultivars like Chipsy Girl, Ard Schenk and wild "Milea" are over too.
Hello Thomas,
my Jeannine is from PC Nijssen/NL purchased last year.
Ladykiller carrying virus: Thanks - I'll observe closely. The leaves looked normal when I took the picture. If it turns out to be virused I'll kill that beast!
Hello Dominique,
your C.vernus Fantasy is much colorful than the ones I've seen recently during "Nettetaler Schneeglöckchentage". Great!
Hello Andrew,
beautiful crocus you have!
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Heres a site list of named crocus, many I have never heard of. Too bad there isn't pictures of these never heard of/seen crocus.
http://www.plantago.nl/plantindex/plants/c/Crocus/Crocus.htm
Guff,
thank you - that web side is new to me.
Indeed many new cultivar names.
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a few more impressions from my lawn...
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Armin,
your lawn and crocus are simple beautiful.
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Cr.korolkowii
Cr.bifl.ssp.alexandri
Romulea croccea TR
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Franz,
thank you for the compliment. I'm still a croconut beginner - my lawn can't compare with your phantastic alpine garden. 8)
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Karl,
beautiful pix.
Like special your C.biflorus ssp. alexandri.
It is still on my wish list.
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My collegue from Estonia Svetlana Polonskaya grows both 'Flower Record' and 'Purpureus Grandiflorus'. That's what she told
'Flower record' has purple flowres darker at the base from outside;
'Purpureus Grandiflorus' has medium-sized uniform purple flowers, darket at the base from outside, and its flowers are slightly darker than those of 'Flower Record'.
She's sent its photo, which I attache to this meesage
Thank you Zhirair and all others for your comments.
I wasn't able to answer earlier. Yesterday I could not go to the field, because we had winds of over 100 Km.h.
Today I was lucky to meet the owner of the collection so we could make clear that te Cr. Negro Boy and Cr.
Purpureus Grandiflorus on the pictures are both Cr. Negr Boy, caused by false delivery!
In the Collection is no Cr. Purpureus Grandiflorus and he would love to acquire it somehow.
Maybe your collegue in Estonia could spare some corms?
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Luit,
I will write to Svellana today and ask if she could help that person with sharing some corms of cr. 'Purpureus Grandiflorus' with him.
Will let you know when I get the answer.
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Armin, thanks for the compliments, your lawn and crocus are simple beautiful.
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Karl, are the biflorus ssp alexandrii wild collected or is this the trade form "Major"?
Also the korolkowii's do not look like the standard Dutch clone - Bondarenko?
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Thomas, have both Crocus from friends, the C.bifl.ssp.alexandri is wild collect, C.korolkowii not.
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Sorry Thomas, C.bifl.ssp.alexandri is not wild collect, is from England, Fa.Poterton & Martin, 1997 bought.
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Luit,
I will write to Svellana today and ask if she could help that person with sharing some corms of cr. 'Purpureus Grandiflorus' with him.
Will let you know when I get the answer.
That would be great Zhirair!
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Thomas! What I think that form of C. b. alexandrii is only a trade form. I spend one whole day in three locations to find a dark form like that but I could not seen at all.
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few from my last crocus for this spring,
Crocus candidus and candidus x olivieri
versicolor in several forms
vernus`Fantasy`, a cross between vernus and tommasinianus
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Just got back from Houston,no crocus there to find the pelistericus has flowered and flopped but I may have manged to pollinate them.So here is a picture from last year
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My word, Tony, those very dark ones are yummy.......guess who will be begging seed if your pollinating goes well?? ::)
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A day with sun and the first Crocus vernus are open in the wild. This means I have to take some pics because we expect a week with rain and snow and this will not be good for the Crocus! A wonderful view of the Crocus to the mountains, isn't it?
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A day with sun and the first Crocus vernus are open in the wild. This means I have to take some pics because we expect a week with rain and snow and this will not be good for the Crocus! A wonderful view of the Crocus to the mountains, isn't it?
Of course - it is? Thank you for this picutures - enjoy them during continuous rain here.
Gerd
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And the last 3 Crocus before the rain came. The last one is heuf. or so (Thomas H.)
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Spring in Armenia came rather late comparing to that of Europe. I have still nothing in bloom in the garden, but under cold glass there are some crocuses already blooming.
I am testing some variations of native crocus biflorus ssp. adamii in pot culture. I hoticed that it doesn't like excessive moiture during winter and some corms rotted. Anyway, most plants bloomed and I'd like to share with photos. Unfortunately rare pure white form of crocus adamii doensn't bloom this year, but I hope to find it this year in nature and hope that there'll the opportunity to show it.
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And few other crocuses
crocus heuffelianus 'National Park'
crocus vernus 'Picwick' ( I selected just few virus mosaic-free samples among the hundreds that I obtain every thear)
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Dirk,
Nice heuff!! But then again, is there a heuff that isn't nice!!?? ??? ;D
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Probably the last crocus-photos from my garden this spring :'(
- Crocus antalyensis, olivieri ssp istanbulensis and candidus
- overview of my garden and the adjacent park with the Junker-Hansen-Tower
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Thomas you are trying to make me envy!. My C. o. istanbulensis did not flower this year but they look quite fine. And my all flowers are already over. But I don't mind.
I enjoy with foliage ;D
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Zhirair!! Here is my test results!
There are also other differents form which I have seen.
And my white one also did not flowered :(
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Dirk! You have so many anviable crocuses....
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Ibrahim,
Thanks for your nice crocus adamii pics. It was really interesting to see your samples and comepare them with mine. Actually I have seen here all forms of cr. adamii besides that bold striped form. There are many different colour forms growing in our place and I am going to make some selections from nature (most prominant and bright forms), test and introduce them in culture under different names, and then when have them enough propageted share with my collegues. I thinks it's a good idea.
By the way, our neighbour grows some crocus adamii in their garden and they are very robust, much larger than in nature and very multiflowering (about 7-8 flowers from one bulb)
Regards, Zhirair
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Does anyone know if there is a UK supplier for C. sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' please?
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Does anyone know if there is a UK supplier for C. sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' please?
David, Roseholme Nursery (access via RHS Plantfinder) lists it though it's not clear whether they offer it every year. They don't have a website.
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David, if you can't find it in the northern hemsphere, I can send you a couple but you would have to acclimatize them (turn their seasons upside down). Let me know. It would have to be almost immediately as they're beginning to root now, may already have done so. Surely it can be found somewhere nearer home.
I've just been out to have a look and it's too late. They're well rooted already. So if you've not located some by next Jan, I'll send some then.
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Does anyone know if there is a UK supplier for C. sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' please?
David, Roseholme Nursery (access via RHS Plantfinder) lists it though it's not clear whether they offer it every year. They don't have a website.
Gerry, Thanks for that-have I got the spelling wrong because I had done a search for it in RHS Plantfinder and nothing showed up?
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David, if you can't find it in the northern hemsphere, I can send you a couple but you would have to acclimatize them (turn their seasons upside down). Let me know. It would have to be almost immediately as they're beginning to root now, may already have done so. Surely it can be found somewhere nearer home.
I've just been out to have a look and it's too late. They're well rooted already. So if you've not located some by next Jan, I'll send some then.
Lesley, thanks, but they must be available in the UK somewhere.
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David
The printed version of the RHS Plantfinder 2007/2008 lists C. Hubert Edelsten from Roseholme. Bressingham and Jaques Amand.
Alan
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From past experiences I feel many nurseries/suppliers list more in Plant Finder than they stock
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Does anyone know if there is a UK supplier for C. sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' please?
I have seen it offered in Garden Centres (I think it was in Unwins 'Speciality' range). However I have also seen that sometimes the corms were not C sieberi but a biflorus type which I also saw exhibited at a Show with the name H Edelsten (wrongly) attached.
I think most of the UK suppliers will be sourcing their material from Holland, certainly this will be true of anyone supplying large numbers relatively cheaply. Do not despair though, there is correctly named stock about but given the nature of things its 'buyer beware'.
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Does anyone know if there is a UK supplier for C. sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' please?
David, Roseholme Nursery (access via RHS Plantfinder) lists it though it's not clear whether they offer it every year. They don't have a website.
Gerry, Thanks for that-have I got the spelling wrong because I had done a search for it in RHS Plantfinder and nothing showed up?
David, My apologies. My information was misleading. Go to RHS Nursery Finder, enter 'Roseholme' then 'details'. You can then access the nursery list. I've just done this & Hubert Edelsten is still listed. They list a lot of crocus (presumably imported) but I've never bought from them so have no idea of the quality of their plants.
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Crocus vernus 'Vanguard' blooming under glass in quarantine area isolated from insects. My new bulbs are not planted in the garden until I make sure they are 100% healthy and free from viruses.
I ontain this cultivar the forth time, but, unfortunately, this stock also is going to be garbaged.
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Leaf mosaic symptoms on crocus vernus hybrids (in this case it is 'Negro Boy')
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Roseholme Nursery list a lot of crocus (presumably imported) but I've never bought from them so have no idea of the quality of their plants.
Has anyone had any plants from them in the last couple of years. They respond to emails but have not been doing mail order. I was trying to arrange a visit, when I was in the area but they were not going to be there !!
I'll try again this year.
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Roseholme Nursery list a lot of crocus (presumably imported) but I've never bought from them so have no idea of the quality of their plants.
Has anyone had any plants from them in the last couple of years. They respond to emails but have not been doing mail order. I was trying to arrange a visit, when I was in the area but they were not going to be there !!
I'll try again this year.
Andrew, if you do go to Roseholme, and they happen to have some Hubert Edelsten, would you be prepared to get me three corms and send them on to me, obviously I would refund all your costs? I don't really want to place a bulk order with them and it wouldn't be very cost effective just to order three corms taking into account their likely postal charges.
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Andrew, if you do go to Roseholme, and they happen to have some Hubert Edelsten, would you be prepared to get me three corms.
No problem David.
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Zhirair,
nice C. vernus "Vanguard".
It is a pity it carries so often mosaic virus.
Thanks for the close virused leaves pix.
My crocus blossom is going over quickly. Today we had a hale storm accelerating the withering :'(
P.S: For those who are interested I've posted more hale storm impressions in the "General forum" -> "Weather2008"
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so they were open when the hail hit?! You must have had some sunny spells today. We were quite warm again c10C
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Mark,
no sunshine today. The combination of hale and strong wind tattered the crocus flowers, many buds fell over.
It's a pity :'(
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We are still months behind the rest of you over here. Sheila's Brush is a Newfoundland folk name for what is supposed to be the last snowstorm of the winter (brushing winter away) on or around St Patrick's Day. This year they are calling it "Sheila's industrial vacuum cleaner" - 3 storms in 5 days ending on 17th with one supposed to be 40 cm, but with so much wind I don't know how they measured it. The back of the house was up to the eaves, but my frame was blown almost clear, and continues to give premonitions of spring.
C. corsicus is one of my favorites, and has survived at least 20 years outside, but oddly its close relative C. minimus, which is supposed to grow at higher altitudes, never lasts more than a couple of seasons. I've a pot labeled "lost corms" - one is clearly 'H. edelsten' David so if all else fails let me know - there should be more outside in 6 weeks or so. There's another I will post for ID when I can get a good shot.
After the snow we had a day of freezing rain. Now it's slowly thawing again.
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That is some wild weather you've been having Howard! We woke to some snow today but had a drive to Dunblane on clear roads, with only one snow shower en route... plenty of snow to be seen in the fields and more on the distant hills, but nothing like yours, I'm glad to say.
Your photo of the ice covered Amelanchier is lovely.... such a complicated tracery of twigs, encased in the ice 8)..... I hope you weren't in the same condtion when you returned indoors after taking the shot! :o ::)
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Here's a late one from me. Unknown source and maybe someone can positive ID it. C. veluchensis 'Alba'
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Maggie,
I took it out of the window!
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It could be Mark but impossible to be sure from flower alone. Check the corm tunic, if it is reticulated fibrous (like C sieberi but not as netted) then you have C veluchensis. If fibrous but not netted it is probably C vernus (a bit late season for C tommasininus)
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I took it out of the window!
Well, when you said the snow was up to the eaves, I did wonder how on earth, never mind WHY, you had ventured outside!!
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Well, when you said the snow was up to the eaves,
Not all round the house fortunately, only at the back where it's sheltered. The side we go in and out of most is usually kept fairly free, although they did have to bring a big yellow digger so that we could get our car out, parts of the driveway must have had 4 ft drifts.
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Thanks Tony. I'll maybe knock them out tomorrow. I must get in to the habit of photographing all Crocus corms when I get them
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The sun's out today, and it's just thawing. Here's a picture of part of my frame; the flowers are (clockwise from top left) 'Princess Beatrix', unknown yellow (see below), 'H. Edelsten', C. chrysanthus seedling (undistinguished), C. corsicus, and C. abantensis (almost over). Leaves from autumn flowerers well advanced around them.
Then a couple of closer-ups of the unknown yellow. I think it may be C. korolkowii, but it could also be another undistinguished seedling of C. chr. I didn't make a note of the corm, but I'll look when I re-pot. Our experience of C. korolkowii has been that they survive, but don't flower much. Anyone found the ideal conditions for them?
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Howard,
your unknow yellow is an C.korolkowii.
It resembles the cultivar "Dark Throat".
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Howard, I agree with Armin - C. korolkowii - though I wouldn't attempt to guess which cultivar.
Here in the S of England it grows very well in a S-facing raised bed with other Spring crocus & Autumn Sternbergia. The bed is permanently covered with a plastic roof, is watered from Sept. until dormancy & then allowed to dry out over the summer. In these conditions C. korolkowii flowers every year & increases.
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Spot on Armin! If it's korolkowii it has to be 'Dark Throat' as that's what we bought from Janis in 2001. They were planted in a bed that had to be dug over when the house was repainted last summer, and the corms discovered were added to the 'lost corms' collection. By the time I posted I was pretty sure, but it's good to have confirmation. As you will have gathered our climate isn't quite the same as England's (yet!) - I think that our short, cool, damp summers don't suit it. I'm thinking about what I can do here to give bulbs like this better conditions.
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Howdy All,
First flowering for the season for me here in the Southern Hemisphere is this seedling, supposedly Crocus abantensis. It hasn't opened yet (not sunny today) but from the pics I am not sure that this species should have this much striping on the outside? I figured I'd post a pic here and see what the experts think. I'll post another pic once fully open as well.
Thanks in anticipation.
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I don't think it can be Paul since C. abantensis, according to Mathew's book, flowers in April in it's native location in Turkey. Mine, from Janis Ruksans, an unusually reliable source, flowered in my frame in late February and are just fading now. My understanding is that it's the equivalent of September in your part of the world! I posted a picture taken on March 1 right at the beginning of this thread, and as you say they are less striped than yours. Maybe it's speciosus? But this would be pretty early for us here, and it doesn't look quite right for that either. A couple of thoughts from a non-expert!
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Hi Paul
It is most likely C speciosus but I have seen C cancellatus with similar markings. Both are leafless autumn flowerers. The corm tunic would make it easy to tell them apart, C speciosus has a papery tunic while C cancellatus has a distinctive netted fibrous tunic.
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Tony and Howard,
Thanks for the responses. I only recently repotted them to put them into the baskets to go into the new crocus garden, so I can tell you that they have the usual papery tunics, not the netted types. Normally I'd have had no idea, but these were only basketed last week, already with shoots appearing on pretty much all of the corms. Google gave me very little info on abantensis (thanks for the spelling correction, that is perhaps WHY there is so little information, although it shows others have made the mistake as well! ::)) and I hadn't realised it was a spring species. Quite disappointing as it is a lovely blue. Will be interesting to see whether others of these seedlings flower this year, and whether there is any variability to them.
Thanks again for the responses.
P.S. I've reloaded the picture under the speciosus name, so as not to confuse people who might be searching for a pic of it. I've also corrected th spelling in the original name.
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Tony Can you ID this Crocus growing in an old garden near me. Anne and I thought tommie but as it hasnt seeded everywhere it possibly isnt. The inner petal has a white edge and a heuffelianus type mark but in white. Do I 'rescue' them or leave them?
Also present in the garden are Colchicums, Erythroniums, Galanthus and Anenome apeninna in 5 types - white, blue, semi double white, semi double blue and fully double blue
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Mark,
is your unknown larger than a tommie?
If yes, I would say it is C.vernus "Vanguard".
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I have a flower that I can measure in the morning
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I just searched the forums and see a very similar plant posted already. Is it worth taking from the overgrown garden?
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Here's two more pics taken just now of my unknown. Unless the style is distorted on this particular flower, it doesn't seem to look like speciosus, as they have long branching styles don't they? The colour in the face shot is a bit darker than in reality... the side shots are more accurate.
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Your earlier pic certainly isn't C. abantensis Paul. Mine flowers late July-August and is a beautiful clear blue.
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I already have out a white C. banaticus, but I don't think mine is a very good form, as well CC. pulchellus and kotschyanus. They must be sprouting with just a little night time dew because there's been no rain for ages.
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Lesley,
Your clear blue I think is what I was recalling for the species, and what I was looking forward to. Banaticus didn't flower for me this year and unfortunately my white has died out. :'( C. pulchellus was shooting madly as I basketed it for the new garden but nothing above ground as yet so I'm figuring no flowers this year either. None of my other speciosus or kotschyanus albus (I don't think I have the straight species from memory) flowers for me either. All in all it has been a non-Crocus autumn YET for me, but I would imagine that will change. We've had very hot here the last couple of weeks with no rain for a month, so I expect that some things would have waited a little longer, even if they were starting after our cooler February. Hopefully with the heat breaking some will turn up, at least that is what it looks like with this speciosus or whatever it is.
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Tony Can you ID this Crocus growing in an old garden near me. Do I 'rescue' them or leave them?
Also present in the garden are Colchicums, Erythroniums, Galanthus and Anenome apeninna in 5 types - white, blue, semi double white, semi double blue and fully double blue
Is the garden abandoned? How? If you like the Crocus, why do you ask for our permission to 'rescue' it.
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Yes the garden is abandoned. If I ask permission to take plants the answer will probably be no.
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Meant to post this earlier - photo was taken on March 6th. Identification please
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Looks like one of the dark tommasinianus
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Yes the garden is abandoned. If I ask permission to take plants the answer will probably be no.
If the garden's abandoned, who's to ask? Be a man, my son, and go and get the darned thing.
Having said that, I DID ask permission to dig some colchicums from a farm paddock yesterday, was given it and came home with a large bucket full. I think they're C. autumnale of which I only have the white form, so I was very pleased. The flowers, many hundreds of them, were badly trampled by sheep so not to be photographed but I'll ask for a positive ID this time next year.
I've been seeing these colchicums in this same place for the last 18 years and never had the courage previously to ask if I could have a few. When I did ask, the farmer was very surprised as he'd never noticed them before :o :o :o They were both sides of what must have originally been a garden path as there was a double line of small rocks, about 80cms apart, deeply overgrown by grass, so there must have been a small house there at one time.
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Tony Can you ID this Crocus growing in an old garden near me. Anne and I thought tommie but as it hasnt seeded everywhere it possibly isnt. The inner petal has a white edge and a heuffelianus type mark but in white. Do I 'rescue' them or leave them?
Sorry for slow response - It looks like a tommy to me or a tom x vernus hybrid. Mice can influence spread, even nipping out the seed pods. In an abandonned garden mice might thrive. Try offering to buy the bulbs from the garden, you might get a better response!
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There are only about 10 Crocus that I could see
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Yesterday I spared some time to go to the mountains to select some interesting specimens of crocus adamii. I could even manage to find few rare white and white with plae sky-blue tints samples as well. There were some interesting bi-colours too. I m planning to multiply the most interesting and bright samples and indroduce them in culture.
Some pics:
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Zhirair,
Very nice. Hadn't come across this species until your various postings on it. Always good to learn something new. Looks like a fairly variable species from the pics you've posted?
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Tony Can you ID this Crocus growing in an old garden near me. Anne and I thought tommie but as it hasnt seeded everywhere it possibly isnt. The inner petal has a white edge and a heuffelianus type mark
Mark,
It's rather like tommasinianus x vernus 'Yalta' but may pre-date it if planting in the garden stopped a while ago.
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Ashley 'Yalta' is huge compared to those I saw. I going back on Saturday to get them
C. adamii looks great
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This one is way out-of-season for you in the NH but it's just the start of autumn species down here. Is Crocus mathewii usually as pointy-petalled as this? I love it.
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This one is way out-of-season for you in the NH but it's just the start of autumn species down here. Is Crocus mathewii usually as pointy-petalled as this? I love it.
Looks lovely Lesley. The picture on Tony Goode's Crocus Pages doesn't show it as wide open as your plant but there seems to be a distinct point at the end of the petals. Your plant shows the same deep violet/purple shade in the flower throat.
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Hello Zhirair,
very fine C. biflorus ssp. adami. Like especial your picture S7300417. :o
Very strong outside markings. 8)
Hello Lesley,
a wunderful C. mathewi you have. 8)
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Is Crocus mathewii usually as pointy-petalled as this? I love it.
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Lesley it clearly looks like mathewii which is very variable but usually has more rounded petals.I think the heat down there must have made it open so wide. A picture of mine for comparison
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Tony,
Isn't that just beautiful!!
Lesley,
I got a couple from Marcus this year as well, plus then realised I got one from him 2 years ago. The corm from 2 years ago was massive, so hopefully I'll get a number of flowers from it, plus if I'm lucky some from this years ones. Not sure how big they are supposed to grow to corm-wise. It will be interesting if both lots flower to see whether they're the same. They're in a basket in the new crocus garden so who knows where they actually are in there as I never did a map once the baskets were labelled as well as tags. I'll keep you posted on what mine look like if they flower.
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I'll lok forward to seeing yours Paul. I don't know whether is doing mathewii from seed or vegetativly (?) If the former, I'll get some more next summer.
Could well be the heat Tony. It was 28degC here yesterday, though only about 19 today and it's been just as wide open. I seem to remember it was the same last year. It's still horribly dry here and it literally popped up and flowered overnight a couple of days ago, its little pot bone dry. I've given all the bulb pots a good water today as quite a few crocuses and other oddments are desperate to get going.
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Armin,
variation of crocus biflorus ssp. adamii in the wild is very wide. Pity I could't make more pics as I went to the hill after afternoon and was in a hurry to manage to collect plants until it gets dark. There is a photo of pure white form replanted in the pot that I hope to post soon.
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Zhirair,
will be pleased to see the white form too.
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Zhirair,
Great to se all the variation, and looking forward to seeing the white one too. Thanks for showing us all these wild beauties!! :D
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Have you all opened your AGS bulletin this morning? There's a great stiff page leaflet on 33 species Crocus showing where they are found and their habitats. 15 species are listed by name only with their flowering time. All have a group letter eg Group B. The group has one line on where to grow them and how to keep them over the summer
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Nearly all the photos were taken by Alan Edwards who was responsible for the text.
If you do not know Alan, he is an excellent grower of Crocus (amongst many genus) and has a wonderful eye for spotting excellent plants. Alan was responsible for Crocus 'Midas Touch' and Crocus minimus 'Bavella'
I always enjoy his company when packing seed for the Crocus Group
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Now then, mentioning the Crocus Group I paid £5, I believe, a couple of years ago and received one letter about a Crocus open day. After that nothing. Is Anne still the secretary?
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Mark
Ann is still the Secretary. Cannot understand why you have not received the newsletters and bulletins.
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I joined last year, I haven't had anything either, when was the last Newsletter Arthur?
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Our own Croconut Tony G. is the main contact http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/Crocus%20Group.htm (http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/Crocus%20Group.htm)
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Tony the sample newsletter is 9 years old. Can you upload a new one?
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Hallo Croconuts,
spring crocus season is almost over... :'(
Here a few more pictures.
Can you help me to proper identify below wee crocus which I purchased as C. kosaninii?
It looks so different.
All the other corms have got leaves but no buds/flowers.
Only one opened and my impression it is shy in flower.
Any ideas what it could be?
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Dont know but ?kossaninii is lovely as is the feather on corsicus. My corsicus could be wrong but it doesnt look like your plant. Tony will come in and ask what does the tunic look like.
I'm worried about some of my Crocus that are dying back already.
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The crocus group is a very relaxed group and the newsletter comes out on a somewhat in-frequent basis. I thought the leaflet with the AGS bulletin was very good and useful but the colour printing in the Journal is either awful or a lot of plants have taken on new hues.I also thought that 70 pages on plants at the shows looked like a filler when there was not much else to put in.
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Armin,
That third pic (vernus ssp vernus) is spectacular. Lovely colour combination, almost more like the colours you'd expect from a tommie not a vernus. Not a named form I assume (and therefore can't be looked out for in case listed here!?) I really like that form and colour.
Great pics. Lovely to see the corsicus .... it's one of my very favourite Crocus I think as it is a good "doer" and flowers extremely well every year. Always good in a Crocus!! ;D
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Crocus fleischeri?
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A lovely Crocus fleischeri enjoying the sunshine, Hans. That frilly style is pretty 8)
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Crocus seem late this year, only have these two bunches and a few singles flowering. Blue Pearl and Gypsy Girl or is it Dorthy? I have never had any seed on Gypsy Girl/Dorthy.
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Tony the sample newsletter is 9 years old. Can you upload a new one?
Hmm
The web site is unchanged in almost 5 years .... not sure if I can rememeber how to get at it. The web provider has changed name twice since and Orange now do things differently.
I am taking over the reins of the CG this year. (Don't expect things to be better organised though ;)) I hope to find time to make more CG info available on the web soon.
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Armin,
That third pic (vernus ssp vernus) is spectacular. Lovely colour combination, almost more like the colours you'd expect from a tommie not a vernus. Not a named form I assume (and therefore can't be looked out for in case listed here!?) I really like that form and colour.
Great pics. Lovely to see the corsicus .... it's one of my very favourite Crocus I think as it is a good "doer" and flowers extremely well every year. Always good in a Crocus!! ;D
Paul,
thank you - I love this form of C. vernus ssp vernus too. I purchased the first 10 corms 3 years ago and put 5 each in my garden and lawn. It is increasing by corm division but I've not yet seen seed capsules.
The picture from 2006 is a comparison in size to a dutch vernus hybrid. For those who are interested.
PC Nijssen in the NL is offering it for sale and says it is rarely grown nowadays.
http://www.pc-nijssen.com/frameset_onlinebestellen.php (http://www.pc-nijssen.com/frameset_onlinebestellen.php)
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Tony why not buy the name crocusgroup.com?
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Just checked with xcalibre.co.uk and sadly crocusgroup.com is registered. crocusgroup.co.uk is available for £10 a year.
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Was looking at Connoisseur Collection thread, and notice Crocus vernus Spring Trophy. Looks like the one TonyG posted. Is this the same crocus, and where is it for sale?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1331.0;attach=49284;image
The one close-up below is of a C vernus x tommasinianus. Very similar to 'Pictus' but the size of C vernus. Nice!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1460.0;attach=49047;image