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Title: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on February 28, 2008, 05:57:27 AM
My first trillium in bloom, T. ovatum maculosum from near
Gualala in Northern California, along the coast north of San Francisco.
I was given tiny seedlings about 2002, and this is their first flowering.

The parent plant in my friend's Victoria garden keeps California time
every year, and so do these seedlings.

The ovatum native to my property has not emerged yet.

(I was playing around with photographing using a mirror to show the
other side of a flower - I have three seedlings flowering.)

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on February 28, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
Diane, clever idea to have the mirror for all round view... will try that.
Lovely plants. 
We have tried  T. ovatum maculosum from seed but got no germination. Very sad... so if anyone out there is likely to have seed this coming year.... there's a BD here who would be very pleased to have some  :D
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on March 02, 2008, 08:08:50 AM
Diane,

Lovely spotting on the leaves.  Not seen the likes of them before.  Beautiful!!
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 10, 2008, 11:39:57 PM
Here are some very close shots of some of my T. rivale. No 4 is a selection by Michael Campbell. I could be wrong. The group shot is a very prolific group that live in one of my troughs that is in full shade except for a couple of hours first thing in the morning. As they never open I assume they need sun on their backs in order to do so

I bought some Trillium pusillum from Kevock 2 or 3 years ago. They came up first year and then didnt appear. I was clearing pots this week and was very surprised to find the pot with them flowering nicely. I'm happy with just labelling them T. pusillium but would anyone want to guess what ssp they might be?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 11, 2008, 01:52:50 AM
Probably not ssp. ozarkanum as it has undulating , or even wiggly, edges.

I see we now have a spellcheck. Great, but it needs to have an "add" feature. At present it doesn't recognize "ssp" for subspecies.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 11, 2008, 09:40:29 AM
Mark,

That first pic of the pink in amazing.  Such solid colouration!!  Wow!!  I've probably seen them here before but if so I'd forgotten that there could be that strong a pink.  It looks so substantial!!  Absolutely beautiful!!  :o 8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 12, 2008, 10:10:41 AM
Just realised you two are referring to me.

Paul, can I send you some seeds? I have lots of colours from almost pure white to dark pink. Another now open is shown below

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 14, 2008, 11:49:35 PM
Here's another almost pure pink T. rivale. If I had the time I would like to lift and keep all the similar couloured rivales together.

When can I lift Trilliums?

Also shown here is T. ovatum 'Joe elliott' growing about the same height as T. rivale. I'll measure it tomorrow for those who are interested.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2008, 03:57:43 AM
The small ovatum looks pretty much like T. hibbersonii. You can lift trilliums when dormant (mid summer, as they come into growth very quickly, or many would recommend lifting when well into new growth, say mid autumn. Others say after flowerimg. In fact you can lift them just about any time though in flower is not recommended. Take a decent wad of soil with them if just transferring. Be careful of the roots if dividing.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 19, 2008, 08:36:27 PM
'Joe Elliott' is very tall compared to other hibbersonii I have seen. Just gone out with the measuring tape. Regular hibbersonii is 2.5cm and 'Joe Elliott' is 6cm. 'Joe' is now very dark pink. Can others measure their hibbersonii?

If a group of hibbersonii are four petalled year after year does this mean they can be selected and named?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
I measured the most robust stem of my clump of hibbersonii.  From the
ground to where the flower begins is 11 cm.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 20, 2008, 12:06:01 AM
Now that is tall.

Flowering in Margaret Glynn's garden today included. Not enough photos taken today because of the blowing wind

T. ovatum hibbersonii
T. ovatum hibbersonii
T. ovatum hibbersonii
T. rivale - very delicate markings
T. rivale
T. rivale - always with ruffled petals
T. rivale
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 20, 2008, 12:14:07 AM
Oh Mark!  That first group rivale photos is breathtaking.  What a difference climate and soil makes..... I've had a clump in for years now and I get barely 4 or 5 flowers...... in pots they do better at least, but nothing even remotely like that.  I can only hope for one day!!!!!  :o 8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 20, 2008, 12:20:08 AM
 .. and look at the seedlings on either side at the front! Can these be lifted now to pot on or best lifted when past their best?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 20, 2008, 12:27:09 AM
Me?..... I'd be lifting them now while they're as small as possible I think.  Making sure to take as much soild around them as possible and putting them straight into wherever they're going without teasing them apart or anything.  Others may council against that I'd imagine, but I would be figuring that if you wait until they're past their best then you run the risk of missing them.  At least this way you can see where exactly you're dealing with and try to work a little way out from them for digging purposes.  T. rivale I find is extremely forgiving of most things.  The first couple of years the rhizomes are so small that if you waited until dormancy I'm not sure you'd find them?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 20, 2008, 03:55:05 AM
Mark, in the open my T. hibbersonii is less than 5cms tall, maybe 4 but in the shade of a little bush of Rhodo. kelecticum it grows to about 7 or 8cms.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 25, 2008, 09:17:20 AM
As it's about to go over 'Joe Elliott' turns a fantastic dark pink. I saw it listed on the internet this week as rivale 'Joe Elliott'

Michael mentions a white rivale. I have but it's spoilt every year by a few spots
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 25, 2008, 09:13:24 PM
Some more Trillium rivale.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on April 25, 2008, 09:23:31 PM
Oh, my word, Michael has done it again! What  has the man NOT got? Such beautiful T. rivale forms... love the whites but that raspberry ripple one is delicious too! 
As Martin said of your foundling Primula hybrid in the Flowering now page, Michael... it's yummy!
Your "baby" daphnes are farily glowing on their Daphne page, too....fine fat babies they are, too!
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 25, 2008, 09:24:11 PM
rivale 004 absolutely stunning  :o
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 25, 2008, 09:29:47 PM
Way back at my first AGS Dublin group discussion weekend someone was selling plants out of the boot of his car. I bought some of his raspberry ripple rivale. They are doing very well in full sun on the rockery
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on April 25, 2008, 09:33:37 PM
Those are good, Mark... but Michael has been more generous with the raspberry sauce!  8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 25, 2008, 10:41:33 PM
I think I remember us mooning over that "Raspberry Ripple" forms last year, and for good reason too.  Spectacular colour combination.  I rather like the whites with the pale pinkish stripe to them too.  Yo ucertainly do have some stunning rivale Michael!  :o
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 26, 2008, 06:57:14 AM
They are definitely cutting loose over there.  I've never seen any veined
ones in the wild.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 26, 2008, 07:10:40 AM
And then there are the ones with the veining on the leaves as well, that were showed here last year.  Would love to see pics of them this year again if possible please.  I may not have them in my own garden, but I can live vicariously in other people's gardens through this forum (which is afterall half the fun of participating here).  8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 26, 2008, 07:13:37 AM
Yesterday I was aerating the compost in one of my compost bins and found a Trillium rhizome. I had broken it's nose off in the process so will not know until next year, or more, if this is my missing 'Snow Bunting'. It was in the process of making new roots. The compost bin has been there for a year. Can this plant survive two years without leaves? How should I look after it this year?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: ranunculus on April 26, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
I think I remember us mooning over that "Raspberry Ripple" form last year.... :o

Interesting to note that 'mooning' has a slightly different connotation over here Paul...!
Hopefully you aren't going to post any pictures!   ;)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Susan Band on April 26, 2008, 09:03:18 AM
Yes Mark, it can survive as a rhizome under ground for that length of time. Since you have broken off its nose it will probably stay under ground for another year or 2 until it produces another nose. If you are lucky next year it will produce extra buds on the rhizome, you will see them as white nodules on the rhizome for the first year and then they will appear above ground in the second. If there is any rhizome attached to the part you broke off plant it as well.
Plant it where you would normally plant it then leave it for a year or 2. If you are careful you can poke about next year and see if anything is happening, Trillium don't really mind being disturbed.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 26, 2008, 09:17:55 AM
I think I remember us mooning over that "Raspberry Ripple" form last year.... :o
Interesting to note that 'mooning' has a slightly different connotation over here Paul...!
Hopefully you aren't going to post any pictures!   ;)

Cliff,

It did occur to me that that second connotation could be applied by some.  I wasn't aware that my use of mooning was only an Australian term?  It basically means "going gaa gaa" or something like that, as in a young male was mooning over a particular female... and in that case let us NOT go with your connotation, OK?  ;D
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 27, 2008, 01:52:37 AM
I think I remember us mooning over that "Raspberry Ripple" form last year.... :o

Interesting to note that 'mooning' has a slightly different connotation over here Paul...!
Hopefully you aren't going to post any pictures!   ;)

Isn't that "spooning?" ;D
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 27, 2008, 05:14:20 AM
The VIRAGS (Vancouver Island Rock and Alpine Garden Society) spring show
was this weekend. Just before closing on the second day is a good time to
ask exhibitors for some pollen. 

Look at the leaves on this kurabayashi.  I think - I was so excited about being
given some of its pollen that I didn't really look at the label - I was too busy
bargaining with the exhibitor who wanted to know what he was going to get in
exchange.  <sigh> I promised him my first-born (seedling, from the cross),
a couple of seedling albidums and an ovatum maculatum. You can see how
much I wanted that pollen.

I've pollinated my spotted leaf albidum, and my minuscule T. parviflorum (the
one being shown up by some anemone nemorosa. Results expected in 2015.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on April 27, 2008, 06:43:55 PM
Rob, I could be wrong but I dont think those large Trilliums will tolerate small pots for long

Diane is parviflorum always that small?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 27, 2008, 07:27:19 PM
I keep waiting for my parviflorum to get bigger, but it hasn't.  It's been in
the same spot, flowering every year, since 2003.  I don't think it is starved,
as the rivales growing next to it are normal-sized.  Case wrote that is varies
greatly in size, so I guess I have one of the shorties.

I haven't seen parviflorum in the wild, probably because I usually just zoom
through its territory on my way to the Siskiyous.  I should make a point of
looking for it this year.

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 27, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
Keeping trilliums in pots is rather like keeping a goldfish in a bowl. It will grow and look happy but will be limited in size by the size of the pot. They don't like repeated disturbance but can be divided without any problem: best while still in growth so they can recover before the autumn. Tipping a plant out of a pot to plant it out or pot it on does not constitute disturbance. Species like grandiflorum should double in size each year in the garden. Even luteum and other sessile spp. should increase. If it remains as a single stem for more than a couple of years try cutting the rhizome in half behind the main bud.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 27, 2008, 10:46:00 PM
I have to endorse Anthony's comments about plant size being related to the size of the growing space. Here in NZ we plant out all trilliums and each year they do indeed, double in size, or nearly so, so that after a few years in the garden a clump of T. luteum might have 20 flower stems. A worthwhile goal too, as it so beautifully perfumed, more so in the clump obviously, than in a single bloom. Foliage of T. luteum varies quite a lot and so your darkly marked plant is just an attractive variation Rob.

It seems a shame to me that someone would actually go so far as to expect (or demand) material in exchange for pollen. I suppose everything has its price to some people, but unless the pollen is on a plant which is part of some exclusive and potentially money-making breeding programme, it seems to be very mean-spirited, like asking someone visiting one's garden to pay for a glass of water or the use of the loo.

T. parviflorum as I know it, is about 20-25cms in height and the flower is maybe 6cms across. But I only know it from a single plant which I babysat (trilliumsat) for a few months last year, before a friend was able to import it to Australia.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 28, 2008, 09:07:36 AM
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If it remains as a single stem for more than a couple of years try cutting the rhizome in half behind the main bud.

I have heard a nurseryman talk about scoring his Trillium rhizomes, was this what he meant (far too busy gossiping about a huge number of things to have been able to pin him down!). ::)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 28, 2008, 09:31:13 AM
Brian,

Scoring I think means cutting part way into the rhizome to interrupt the auxin flow (auxins are the chemicals that a growing shoot produces to suppress other shoots so that it has no competition).  By interrupting these chemicals dormant growth points "behind" the cut should activate, in some plants there could be quite a few.  If the Trillium rhizome gets big enough the distance from the growing point can be sufficient that the back end of the rhizome will produce offsets anyway (I had 7 appear over a couple of years on a cuneatum a few years back), but scoring or cutting the rhizome completely help to activate dormant buds that are behind the cut.

Rob,

That grandiflorum rosea is absolutely beautiful!!!!!

Diane,

That parviflorum is just so cute!!  ;D
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on April 28, 2008, 08:47:36 PM
I only wish that all Trilliums would make this wondrous rate of growth here  :o
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: kirsitn on April 29, 2008, 12:02:43 AM
Nice luteum! Here's another kurabayashii alongside an albidum. The kurabayashii is flowering for the first time and has also doubled the number of stems since last year, so I am quite happy with it!  :)

(http://www.hagegal.no/gallery2/d/164395-4/trillium.jpg)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: johnw on April 29, 2008, 01:47:04 AM
A couple of Trilliums emerging with interesting foliage tonight - T. cuneatum & T. albidum selections by the late Don Armstrong of Vancouver, BC.

I was reminded to take a look at these as a friend botanizing in North Carolina emailed a photo of a beautiful dark pink T. catesbei he found, notably with flower erect and well above the foliage. Also a beautiful silver leafed T. cuneatum. I will ask him to post these pictures when he returns home.

johnw

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on April 29, 2008, 12:13:28 PM
John,

That dark leafed cuneatum is a stunner.  My cuneatum has markings on the leaf but not even CLOSE to that.  Yours is very special!!


Regarding multiplying..... mine generally do not multiply much at all, just this one cuneatum that went crazy over 2 growing season.  I eventually lifted it to have a look at it and the rhizome was around 5 inches long in a great wedge shape.... the back end of the rhizome was around 3 inches wide, and the back curve of the rhizome was probably closer to 4.  The new offsets formed along the back edge of the rhizome, at the furthest point from the growing shoot.  It was amazing to me how it did this and I think I am just lucky.  I am wondering whether it maybe just got big enough that the main shoot was far enough from the other end for the apical dominance of the growth point to no longer affect the other end of the rhizome, so the new shoots emerged.  That's my theory anyway, as it was clear that all the new shoots were at the furthest point from the actual growth.

Also, those who aren't fully familiar with Trilliums...... a happy Trillium may produce multiple shoots from a single growth point.  The cuneatum in question of mine always produces at least 3 shoots from the main growth point, all of which flower.  Some years there is another smaller shoot that doesn't flower which comes up with the 3 main ones.  All of these shoots come from the same growth point, they are not offsets.  Originally I thought mine was multiplying until I read about the multiple shoots and had a close look at mine.  They clearly all emerged from the same point

Just thought that this was worth mentioning in case there were readers who weren't aware that multiple leaves/flowers could be produced from just a single point. 8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 29, 2008, 04:48:34 PM
I thought it was impossible for sessiles to cross with pedicillate trilliums, but
that doesn't seem to be invariably true. 

New studies of relationships within the genus show that grandiflorum and
ovatum are related to sessiles.

Perhaps they are like Helleborus niger which seems to be a "universal mother"
to many hellebore species.

I tried crossing ovatum with rivale last year, with no success. Crocker and Kline
of Siskiyou Rare Plants Nursery had found hybrids in the wild and had produced
hybrids themselves.  They did the cross both ways.  However, I read recently
that the offspring looked like the mothers, so I doubt the reputed hybridity.

This year I am crossing ovatum with some dark-flowered Western U.S. sessiles -
kurabayashi and chloropetalum.  I expect that any hybrid offspring will be
revealed by colour.

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 29, 2008, 09:37:34 PM
Rob,

I wrote in my breeding book that trilliums are protandrous - the pollen is ready before the stigma is receptive. I did not make a note of where I found that information, and it does not seem to be true for all trilliums.

I have just been out to check a couple of my trilliums.  I can stick my finger in an opening ovatum bud and get pollen on it.  Also, there is still lots of pollen all over the anthers on flowers open a couple of days.

Albidum has long anthers with a yellow rim along each side.  I couldn't get any pollen on my finger though I tried many flowers.  However, I picked anthers two days ago and left them in a dish in my kitchen. They shrivelled a bit and have released pollen, not just to my finger, but there is also a layer of pollen in the bottom of the dish.

I will try to remember to watch to see when the pollen is available on the plants.

I have never seen a luteum in flower, so I don't know whether it is similar to ovatum in pollen release.



Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 29, 2008, 09:59:29 PM
Here is my best form of Trillium grandiflorum f. roseum. Its bud starts, and the flower opens, this colour.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Susan on April 29, 2008, 10:06:18 PM
That is gorgeous.  I am envious.

Susan
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 29, 2008, 10:33:32 PM
Try the crosses Rob. Nothing ventured.....but don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on April 30, 2008, 06:22:48 PM
Our best pinks of T. grandifloum roseum are not out yet.

1)This is one of Ian's pink flushed seed raised variety....just a delicate flush of pink suffusing the flower

2) this is one of our largest grandiflora flowers.. really lives up to the name... the flower is about 12cms across  8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: ashley on April 30, 2008, 06:38:21 PM
Oh for such well-behaved slugs  ::)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on May 01, 2008, 04:30:38 PM
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maggi thats a amazing giant flower! my question is where can i get one lol!
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also does anyone have a picture they can post for me of a seedling trillium (with cotyledons)
as i would like to be able to recongnise what they look like when they germinate
Rob, grow lots from seed and these special beauties will appear  8)
Ian will surely have such photos... try a search of the Bulb Log Index, at the top of the main Bulb Log page, meantime, and I'll ask him later to find such pix or make some for posting here or in a future Bulb Log.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on May 01, 2008, 08:22:43 PM
Rob,

Have a close look at your doubles.  Sometimes they produce pollen.  A
breeder of double primulas said that the last flower on a plant may be a
bit too tired to be completely double.  (I don't think she put it quite like that,
but that's the way I understood it.)

I got pollen from someone's double trillium ovatum that had been divided
the year before and was blooming as a single while it recuperated.

I used the pollen on one of my singles and one seedling was partly double.
 The next generation should produce some doubles.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on May 01, 2008, 08:31:42 PM
Good advice there, Diane.

Ian thinks he has the young Trillium photos you need, Rob, but he hasn't the time right now to find them, so watch this space!
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on May 01, 2008, 08:55:17 PM
There are some pictures of newly-germinated seeds on Harold Holmes'
website:   http://www.trilliumresearch.org/

Also some older seedlings in
BULB LOG 14 --- 4th April 2007

and
BULB LOG 49 in 2004

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on May 01, 2008, 09:13:35 PM
More great advice, Diane, you win tonight's Best Help Award! Thank you!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 01, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Here is a few pots of Trillium seedlings.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: ashley on May 02, 2008, 08:51:27 AM
How long to flowering from that stage Michael?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 02, 2008, 08:32:44 PM
Three or four years , depending on how well you feed them. Usually three.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 04, 2008, 01:14:40 PM
Several dealers were selling Trillium grandiflorum doubles ('Snowbunting'/fl.pl) at the Glasgow show. Three flowering stems for £12 was the best deal I saw.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: mark smyth on May 04, 2008, 01:56:29 PM
please think of me next time ;)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Diane Clement on May 05, 2008, 12:23:26 PM
I've been growing seedlings from Trillium grandiflorum Roseum for some years and today one opened for the first time.  Ron Beeston has a lovely clump of this pink form in his garden and kindly gave me some newly germinated seedlings in 2002, if my memory serves me correctly.

You will see that it's still pouring down here, as it has been almost non stop for 2 days. Typical Bank Holiday weather.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on May 05, 2008, 12:58:40 PM
What a lovely colour Diane.  Beautiful!!
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 06, 2008, 09:48:24 AM
please think of me next time ;)

I can't go to the Aberdeen show Mark, but Ian Christie does mail order, or you could ask Maggi?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: ArneM on May 06, 2008, 04:01:38 PM
I would be interested, too.  ;D
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 07, 2008, 08:20:43 PM
Not sure why trilliums are in the bulbs thread, but heigh ho, here is Trillium grandiflorum 'Jenny Rhodes' flowering in the garden today?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 07, 2008, 08:54:15 PM
Not sure why trilliums are in the bulbs thread, but heigh ho, here is Trillium grandiflorum 'Jenny Rhodes' flowering in the garden today?

Because trilliums come under the general heading of bulbscormsrhizomestubers. :)

Lovely Jenny. A true double, i.e. 6 instead of 3. One I could get to love if she were to venture south some day.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2008, 11:56:52 AM
Because trilliums come under the general heading of bulbscormsrhizomestubers.

Lesley is quite correct.... this is the broadest definition of "bulbs"... to include, bulbs, corms rhizomes and tubers... as used in SRGC Show Schedules!!
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Gerry on May 08, 2008, 12:19:49 PM
Anthony - Thanks for the link to JR. I got there in the end! ::)

Gerry
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 08, 2008, 12:50:35 PM
Why are cypripediums / orchids not in the bulbs section? ::)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2008, 01:15:19 PM
Why are cypripediums / orchids not in the bulbs section? ::)
For the same reason... orchids are excluded from the "bulb" classes !!
Pay attention , everyone, we may ask questions later!!
It is also the habit of the SRGC to include Trillium still in Liliaceaea classes, notwithstanding the Trilliaceae, reclassification...... ;D

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 08, 2008, 02:12:05 PM
OK, but Lesley didn't need to shout ;)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2008, 02:43:36 PM
Lesley didn't shout... I edited her post... I tend to speak very loudly, as you know  :P
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 08, 2008, 08:09:51 PM
Wow Maggi! YOU did that to my little note?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 08, 2008, 11:54:45 PM
Here's another pic of 'Jenny Rhodes'. None of these show the lovely delicate shade of pink. Carl Denton says: "it was a Mr Frank Rhodes who found [the original plant] on the East side of the Parkway [in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia] when he stopped for a picnic in 1971 [and took it back to England]. His daughter Jenny was born that year so he named it after her.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on May 09, 2008, 12:46:26 AM
Great plants everyone. Here are a couple of mine the first is like Diane's a roseum from Ron Beeston's plant and the second I think is quite old and is a bit from Roy Elliot's garden many moons ago
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Kristl Walek on May 09, 2008, 02:13:00 AM
I'm rushing around right now, but quickly wanted to post a few pictures....
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Kristl Walek on May 09, 2008, 02:32:20 AM
and, here is JUST ONE of Brian Carson's grandiflora doubles...
he has found hundreds of them locally....

once I have more time, I will tell you about Brian....our nose for Trillium grandiflora doubles....if a double is out there (and many seem to be in our area, for some interesting reason), Brian finds them...

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 09, 2008, 09:00:36 AM
Now that's different Kristl. I like it. 8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Philip MacDougall on May 11, 2008, 06:12:05 AM
I had the pleasure to hike through a few areas in North Carolina this spring and a friend has suggested the group would be interested in these pictures. I can't swear that the plant I have labeled Trillium catesbei wasn't T. grandiflorum var roseum but many individuals in this large colony (behind a truck  stop!) seemed to fit the more typical form of catesbei.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Paul T on May 11, 2008, 09:05:33 AM
Beautiful pics everyone.  Those pink grandiflorums are amazing.... far pinker than I thought roseum was usually? 

Phillip,

Welcome to the forums.  What a great first post.  Those first two in particular are fantastic.  Love the form of the pink catesbei and that silver leaf cuneatum is pretty special too.

Kristl,

Interesting double.  If it is like that permanently and doesn't infect anything else nearby then it is a corker.  I tend to worry about greening virus when I see green flowered Trilliums, as so often they ARE the result of a virus or the like.  That one with the white picotee edges is rather spectacular, to say the least.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Ian Y on May 11, 2008, 09:39:20 AM
Welcome to the forum Philip and what a lovely series of trillium pictures.
Without your comments I would have said your first picture was T grandiflorum roseum - what ever it is a beautiful trillium.
I hope you stick around our on-line comunity and share many more pictures with us.

Kristl -  I am not sure what to make of that green streaked double, I am not always keen on doubles but that one is different.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: johnw on May 11, 2008, 03:47:52 PM
Philip - It's about time you joined this group, they've all been waiting for those pictures for more than a week.

Fantastic shots.

I am still in shock and envy over that huge clump of Shortia galacifolia you discovered in North Carolina.

By the way folks, this former Haligonian is working on starting a nursery specializing in woodland perennials and has an incredible collection of plants to start propagating. Is the nursery to be called Chlophyllia? Unfortunately for us, this Nova Scotian packed his bags and moved to the lower mainland of British Columbia about 10 years ago. (It might have had something to do with a bicycle ride to work one Halifax February morning at 6:30am in a blinding blizzard at -17c.)

Luckily he visits twice a year and keeps us posted on his far-flung travels in search of rare plants... Taiwan, Tasmania, Chile...no country or seed pod safe from his keen eye.

johnw


Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 11, 2008, 10:53:29 PM
A warm greeting, Philip, from New Zealand too. The welcome is warm but the weather is NOT, an early winter has grabbed us by the throats this year.

We can never have enough pictures of Trilliums and yours are gorgeous. I'm looking forward to further news of your nursery and travels. Perhaps to NZ one day?
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 12, 2008, 11:42:23 PM
I like that pink trillium Philip. I wonder if anyone on Trillium-L has seen it?

Here are three Trillium grandiflorum doubles I have had for a few years: first is 'Snow Bunting' from PC; the second is 'Flore Pleno' from Blooms of Bressingham and the third is 'Flore Pleno' from another supplier whose name escapes me (sorry). Finally, a close up of 'Jenny Rhodes'.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Carlo on May 13, 2008, 01:06:18 AM
I'm excited to report Trillium vaseyi blooming here for the first time...a beautiful dark flower on a long(ish) pedicel. Very nice.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 13, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
I know how you feel Carlo, having had several imposters in the shape of erectum and sulcatum, the real vaseyi is stunning!
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Kristl Walek on May 14, 2008, 01:03:33 AM
I am not sure if I like Brian's double that I posted above, but then I am not fond of many doubles  particularly if too "frilly" or if the sense of wildness and simplicity is missing from their appearance...

But it *is* fascinating what one can find in the woods...and Brian seems to find them all!!!

Brian now has two flowers of it from his single plant (3rd year). And of note is that this particular clone blooms for THREE MONTHS!!!!!!!

Another picture of erectum, still blooming strong in our area.



Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Kristl Walek on May 14, 2008, 01:52:20 AM
A great day in the woods with John Gyer and friends...

John works intimately with Trillium in the eastern USA and was one of the speakers at the recent "Trillium Symposium" at the Mt. Cuba Center in Delaware.

http://www.trilliumsymposium2008.org/sessions.html

One of the particular reasons for his visit was to visit the local site of a large population of T. grandiflorum doubles that Brian Carson (of course) had made him aware of. The doubles first began to appear in this location some 30 years ago, and have been slowly increasing in number ever since (indicating that this patch --of singles--has the genetic propensity to produce doubles.)

John spent some time with tripod and props photographing "the queen of the day"....

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Kristl Walek on May 14, 2008, 02:18:12 AM
And here are some of the variations I saw, including some 4-petal clones.

Particularly fascinating to see the doubles side by side with the species.

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Magnar on May 18, 2008, 10:27:49 AM
Most interesting postings, Kristl. Thank you  :)

Here is T. hibbersonii in my garden today

(http://magnar.aspaker.no/Trillium%20hibbersonii%2008.jpg)

Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Magnar on May 21, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
2 more Trilliums from my garden today:

T. kurabayashii
(http://magnar.aspaker.no/Trillium%20kurabayashii%2008.jpg)

T. erectum
(http://magnar.aspaker.no/Trillium%20erectum%2008.jpg)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Magnar on June 02, 2008, 07:17:35 PM
Trillium flowering is still going on here in the north:

T. grandiflorum
(http://magnar.aspaker.no/Trillium%20grandiflorum%2008.jpg)

T. camschatcensis
(http://magnar.aspaker.no/Trillium%20camschatcensis%2008.jpg)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: johnw on June 08, 2008, 06:49:05 PM
A couple of Trilliums emerging with interesting foliage tonight - T. cuneatum & T. albidum selections by the late Don Armstrong of Vancouver, BC.
johnw

As a follow-up to my posting on the 29 April 2008 of Don Armstrong's good T. cuneatum, here it is in flower today. what a change on the foliage.

johnw
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on June 09, 2008, 07:52:52 PM
I see from this page ( and the Paeony pages) that Mr Don Armstrong has a very good eye for a plant!
These fat T. cuneatum flowers are super.....do they set good seed, perchance?  ::) 8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: johnw on June 09, 2008, 08:38:37 PM
I see from this page ( and the Paeony pages) that Mr Don Armstrong has a very good eye for a plant!
These fat T. cuneatum flowers are super.....do they set good seed, perchance?  ::) 8)

Maggi - I'm not sure when they ripen but send me an email when you think they might be ready. If they set seed you'll get some.

johnw
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on June 10, 2008, 12:55:16 PM
I see from this page ( and the Paeony pages) that Mr Don Armstrong has a very good eye for a plant!
These fat T. cuneatum flowers are super.....do they set good seed, perchance?  ::) 8)

Maggi - I'm not sure when they ripen but send me an email when you think they might be ready. If they set seed you'll get some.

johnw
Will do, John, thanks  :-*
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: johnw on June 12, 2008, 09:34:03 PM
A fine Trillium in the garden of Bodil Larsen, Outer Cove, Newfoundland yesterday. I was surprised to see Podophyllum delavayi surviving in her garden.

johnw
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 12, 2008, 10:07:20 PM
Mmmmmm. That's VERY nice.
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anastasia on June 12, 2008, 10:45:10 PM
I too would like to show the Trillium  :)

1. Trillium grandiflorum
2. Trillium luteum
3. Trillium sulcatum
4. Trillium camschatcense = T. rhombifolium
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Anastasia on June 12, 2008, 10:53:55 PM
Is still here such interesting Trillium  ::)
We have defined it as a variation Trillium sessile.
It differs from usual  8)
Title: Re: Trillium 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 13, 2008, 12:13:14 AM
They are all beautiful Anastasia. It is lovely to have these very long seasons for each species. I think trilliums and the lovely things on the Tromso thread are well past now in the UK and Europe but they are still flowering in Russia and Norway. It seems as if spring could go on for ever. :D
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