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General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: papapoly on June 04, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
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I went yesterday on a trip to mnt Olympus climbing on the Western side up to 2760 m.
Still too early for most plants. I need some help on identifying some plants.
First, next 5 pics are Corydalis sp. This one is not solida. It is very short, 4-5 cm. It occurs only above the 2500 m line.
Please, can anyone identify the species?
George Papapolymerou
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Pics 11, 113 and 212 are from 2600 m. They look like a Draba sp. I am not sure.
Pic 343 is from 2000 m. Different leaves, different anthers and style.
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Next two species look like saxifragas.
Pics 106 and 108 from 2600 m
Pics 116, 121 and 183, yellow sp, from 2700 m.
George
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I'm wondering if your first yellows are not a draba but maybe an alyssum?
Perhaps those as saxifraga, (the yellows) are a draba?
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I went yesterday on a trip to mnt Olympus climbing on the Western side up to 2760 m.
George Papapolymerou
Hi George,
Next time you go take me with you :)
Corydalis parnassica
Saxifraga sempervivum (red) and close to it probably Draba compacta - I may be wrong.
First ones I also think not a Draba, but it's late and nothing else comes to my mind.
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Perhaps those as saxifraga, (the yellows) are a draba?
Yes, not Saxifraga given that they have 4 petals, and they do look like Draba.
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The Corydalis should be C. blanda ssp. olympica
111, 113 &212 is Allyssum handelii
343 perhaps an Erysimum
The Sax 106 and 108 is S. sempervivioides
116, 121 & 183 is a Draba perhaps athoa
This is my humble opinion....
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Thank you all.
From your precious feedback and comments and searching photos on the internet:
pics 111, 113 and 212 are Alyssum handelii
pics 106 and 108 are Saxifraga sempervivum
pics: 116, 121 and 183: PROBABLY Draba athoa
George
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Also, one more. I believe it is Saxifraga scardica. I found this one at 2200 m.
PS In 2-4 weeks most alpine flowers will be flowering. Gentiana verna was in bud. In some places it is growing profusely.
George
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Saxifraga scardica,
waiting for Sax. spruneri, the third Popophyllum Saxifraga that occurs on Olympus ;D
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Also, one more. I believe it is Saxifraga scardica. I found this one at 2200 m.
PS In 2-4 weeks most alpine flowers will be flowering. Gentiana verna was in bud. In some places it is growing profusely.
George
I look fw to see Gentiana verna carpets flowering George! if you could add a bit more details about where precisely you are going on Mt. Olympus, how to get there....it would be great.
Maybe this thread can be moved to Places to travel? please Maggi?
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Good idea, Gabriela - I have done that. :)
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I want to show you some more plants from this same trip (Western side of mount Olympus) I took on June 3rd. I am sorry for not concluding earlier.
Exactly one month later I went in the same area (up to 2817) and saw different plants. This will be coming in another Post.
On June 12 I went to the Eastern side up to 2300 m. This will also be coming in another Post.
Pics 005 and 008: Globularia sp., 2100 m
Pic 33: Several sp on the slope up at about 2200 m but, mostly violas and ranunculus
Pic 036: Aethionema (?) sp.
Pic 052: Centaurea sp., possibly the white form of Centaurea triumphetii
George
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Next, from about 2300-2500 m.
pic 055: Myosotis alpestris
pic 060: Gentiana verna in bud
pic 043: Veronica thessala
pic 090: the wild goats of mount Olympus. They not not doing much damage. The damage is done by the wild horses which, lately, in the past 10-15 years, have multiplied.
pic 126: Veronica thessala, but from 2700 m, forming mats of about 2 m.
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pics 131 and 192: unidentified sp. Short, about 5 cm tall and beautiful. I tried to identify it by looking up flora of mount Olympus but I could not find anything to match.
pic 292: Gentiana verna in bud and in flower (2360 m), later on (July) exploding in flower forming large colonies at 2700 m. Prefers meadows but also grows in gravel.
pics 150 and 152: Crocus veluchensis at 2760 m. Not too many flowers. In mid May at 2400 m the meadows are full of Crocus veluchensis.
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Viola rausii (?) or Viola greaca (?). It occurs in many different colour forms. However it is at its peak in mid May. The slopes are just carpeted with Violas. Some mats are up to 70 cm wide and occur next to each other, overlapping, making it a unique spectacle.
I see this Viola sp. flowering all the way to early October but occuring then in just one flower here and there.
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As in the previous pics (2300-200 m) going down on my return, more Violas and Doronicum columnae.
George
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131 and 192 must surely be a Ranunculus? In their way they are similar to our own native scree species, even down to the bluish foliage, though ours are thicker and more succulent-looking in the leaves. Many more lovely plants and pictures George. What a great time you're having. :)
Just noticed, in picture 262, is that a Corydalis species with the viola? It looks like an exciting one, with lovely foliage as well as flowers
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Hello again George.
I don't know most of these but fortunately others do!
036 is Iberis sempervirens
090 are chamois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprinae) not goats (related but a distinct group). Are they introduced to Olympus? I know they have been introduced to various mountains for hunting.
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Lesley,
I think you are right. It looks like a high altitude ranunculus. Very fleshy leaves. Species, I will search in the internet. Very nice standing next to the snow patches.
Tristan, they are certainly not introduced. I just said <<wild goats>> because I did not even know the genus. People refer to them as the <<wild goats>> of Mount Olympus. They could be a ssp occuring only on Olympus.
Continuing to conclude tonight for the June 3rd trip,
pics:334, 374: more violas, 2100 m
pics: 338 and 417: astragalus sp., 2100 m
pic 423: Smyrnium rotundifolium, 1900 m
George
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pics 346 and 364: Lotus corniculatus (?)
pic: 392: Ranunculus sp
pic: 440, Astragalus angustifolius
pic 423: Geranium subcaulenens, past its best
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Finally,
pic 409: Salvia sp., 1900 m
pic 442, silene sp., 1800 m
pics 444 and 449, linaria sp., Linaria peloponnesiaca, 1700 m
pic 469, Centaurea sp., possible the usual form of Centaurea triumphetii
Yesterday, July 10th, I went to a place I have not been before. Northern Agrafa region, bordering with Central Pindus. I went up tp 1800 m. Peaks across (Karava mnt) were at about 2250 m. I could not walk there because I did not have enough time and it was too hot (24 oC).
Season had progressed at this altitude so I did not see many species. Some, worthwhile, I will transmit images possibly in the next 2-3 days. Higher up probably season would be better and more species would be flowering.
After this short transmission, I will transmit in two different files images of my July 3rd trip to the Western side of mount Olympus, showing you different species and omitting those of my June 3rd trip. Shortly, after that I will transmit images of June 12th trip to the Eastern side of Mount Olympus. Although I went there somewhat early in the season I saw and photographed, Viola delphinantha, Jankaea heldreichii, Campanula oreadum, e.t.c.
George Papapolymerou
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pics: 338 and 417: astragalus sp., 2100 m
George perhaps this could be Anthyllis montana? Nice plant, I have one in the rockery I am hoping will flower this year.
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Both anthyllis are very nice. When I've had A. montana from the seed lists it has always turned out to be the scarlet Anthyllis vulneraria. :'(
George, does Scutellaria orientalis grow on Mt Olympus? I've never been there but remember seeing great mats of it, mostly in the disturbed shingle at the road sides, when in the southern part of Greece in 1993 with an AGS tour. Karpenisi I think, a winter ski resort but summer when I was there.
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Dear Lesley,
I found 3 scutellarias growing on Mount Olympus:
1) Scutellaria alpina: http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/1336/Scutellaria-alpina (http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/1336/Scutellaria-alpina)
2) Scutellaria orientalis ssp pinnatifida: http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/1334/Scutellaria-orientalis-subsp-pinnatifida (http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/1334/Scutellaria-orientalis-subsp-pinnatifida)
3) Scutellaria rupestris ssp olympica: http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/3569/Scutellaria-rupestris-subsp-olympica (http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/3569/Scutellaria-rupestris-subsp-olympica)
Also,
4) Scutellaria orientalis ssp alpina is reported as growing in Parnassos, Giona, etc., see map: http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/1335/Scutellaria-orientalis-subsp-alpina (http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/1335/Scutellaria-orientalis-subsp-alpina)
Other Scutellarias are described at the end of the Webpage (Lamiaceae): http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowersIndexByFamily.aspx (http://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowersIndexByFamily.aspx)
George
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I think Scutellarias are very underused in gardens. I grew S. sevanensis (http://www.seedsite.eu/product/scutellaria-sevanensis) (close to S. orientalis but with lobed leaves) and it's very nice - hopefully there will be seed for the exchange. It looked completely stone dead in early spring but re-emerged from below ground.
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I've always wanted a decent plant of S. orientalis (probably ssp pinnatifida as I remember it having quite cut leaves) since I saw it growing so well in Greece. I had a plant for a few years then lost it and since then have tried seed from the exchanges a few times but with no germination. This last summer I received this one and what is supposed to be orientalis x alpina. The latter has not germinated but orientalis sent up 3 seedlings in March. Two damped off but the third is still hanging on, very small but coping with the winter all right. My fingers are crossed!
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Having just typed the above, I realized I hadn't noticed the scutellaria for a week or so so have been out for a quick look at my seeds. The one is doing fine, slightly burnished-looking (we've had nasty frosts since the beginning of July) but now into its second set of true leaves and yes, they are pinnate. As well, there are two brand new, just germinating seedlings. They can't be anything else so I hope to bring them on as well. I suppose the frosts have had the right effect. Many irises and some other things are germinating too, in mid winter.Still nothing from the putative hybrid scutellaria though.