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Title: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on February 24, 2008, 06:04:39 PM
Difficult photographing today, below freezing outside, too warm in the greenhouse, fans buzzing and reflected light from snow outside.

'Martha MacLaren' probably came out yesterday and nivalis ssp. imperati from a German source just out.

I attach Trym but it's a poor photo and it didn't like going to 20c this morning before I could crack the door.



johnw -                     -1c / 10cm of snow on the ground / brilliant warm sunshine.
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: David Nicholson on February 24, 2008, 07:38:08 PM
You take a good picture John!
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on February 24, 2008, 07:49:09 PM
David - Thanks but I fear I really don't know quite what to do with this camera   - Coolpix 8700.  It is too complicated and no anti-shake or whatever it's called.  I tried to get Trym to focus but the camera is obviously a fussy Galanthophile, Trym simply would not come into focus.  Finally resorted to BSS - best-single-shot function - it takes 5 shots and chooses the best.  So Mr. Nikon deserves the credit.

I meant to say Martha has an incredibly clean shape. John Grimshaw certainly has the eye!

johnw
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: David Nicholson on February 24, 2008, 07:58:36 PM
David - Thanks but I fear I really don't know quite what to do with this camera   - Coolpix 8700.  It is too complicated and no anti-shake or whatever it's called.  I tried to get Trym to focus but the camera is obviously a fussy Galanthophile, Trym simply would not come into focus.  Finally resorted to BSS - best-single-shot function - it takes 5 shots and chooses the best.  So Mr. Nikon deserves the credit.

I meant to say Martha has an incredibly clean shape. John Grimshaw certainly has the eye!

johnw

John, I am fairly sure there are other Coolpix 8700 users on the Forum, you may be able to share experiences, afraid I'm strictly a point and shoot man.
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 24, 2008, 09:42:21 PM
Are you sure that's 'Trym' John? It's very different from mine.
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: mark smyth on February 24, 2008, 11:51:27 PM
My thoughts also Anthony. I dont think the outer mark should bleed quite so much
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on February 25, 2008, 12:47:45 AM
Tony & Mark - Thanks for the alert, this is the way to learn your snowdrops!

I got that 'Trym' from John Grimshaw back in 1999, so the label & records state.  I will take another shot if it's cloudy tomorrow, it was a bit wilty a couple of hours beforehand.  But why do I not see the reflex outer petals now that I read up on it?  Not a chance it's Trymlet & I missed the 'let', but then the tips are quite different.

johnw 
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 25, 2008, 12:57:02 PM
Different is good John as you can use it to exchange for the "real" McCoy, assuming you have been given a different variety; possibly a better one? My 'Trym' is still in tight bud.
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on February 25, 2008, 01:02:59 PM
My thoughts also Anthony. I dont think the outer mark should bleed quite so much

Had a close look this morning, the markings are very erratic... not a good sign and will have to keep it isolated. However I do think it is Trym and I will try to dig out a shot from last year.

johnw
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: David Quinton on February 25, 2008, 01:06:20 PM
Hello John,

For comparisson, I have attached a couple of photos taken of 'Trym' in my garden 2 weeks ago. I got this plant from Foxgrove Plants last year. I hope that this helps.

David

Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: mark smyth on February 25, 2008, 01:22:32 PM
Chat on Friday at a lunch turned to the possibilities of green tipped snowdrops being virused
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 25, 2008, 01:55:03 PM
Hello John,

For comparisson, I have attached a couple of photos taken of 'Trym' in my garden 2 weeks ago. I got this plant from Foxgrove Plants last year. I hope that this helps.

David



Even that doesn't look like my 'Trym'?
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: KentGardener on February 25, 2008, 02:30:01 PM
Even that doesn't look like my 'Trym'?

Mine is still in tight bud - I shall try and get a photo once it opens.

regards

John
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 25, 2008, 03:11:53 PM
David, your plant looks far too elegant for 'Trym'. :)
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: mark smyth on February 25, 2008, 04:15:43 PM
what's happening is Trym is proving to be a prolific seeder. A garden I was in during January had around 100 flowering sized Trym seedlings. These all looked identical to the parent and I'm sure closer inspection would reveal slight variations. Maybe those posted above are Trym seedlings?
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: KentGardener on February 25, 2008, 04:32:27 PM
Phil Cornish finds that Trym seeds very freely too.

John
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: David Quinton on February 25, 2008, 04:37:17 PM
All I can add is that I bought it as Trym and it doesn't look a million miles away from others that I have seen in the flesh and also on-line. I know that it came from a twin-scale but not having seen the parent, it is not possible to say if it was more in keeping with what you expect to see. The flower does change quite considerably as it ages and even this week the outers have splayed out further. Unfortunately I don't think that I'll get an opportunity to get another photo before the weekend and the flower is likely to have gone over by then. My other Trym hasn't flowered this year and therefore I can't show you another for comparisson.

David
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on February 25, 2008, 10:42:55 PM
David - It could be that my Trym flowers are simply over.  Usually if it gets to warm in the greenhouse the flowers recover at night. These ones definitely have had the biscuit. I will re-check them in the morning.

johnw
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Paul T on February 28, 2008, 10:01:55 AM
Well whichever they are (to Trym or not to Trym, that is the question!?  ;D) they are very nice.  If I ever get Trym seed and flower the likes of those I'd be mighty happy!!

The 'Martha McLaren' is a stunner.  Such perfect form and colouration.  Very very nice!!   :D
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Paddy Tobin on February 28, 2008, 12:18:34 PM
For comparison purposes, here are two photographs of my G. 'Trym', a one and only flower, from yesterday.

Paddy
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Paddy Tobin on February 28, 2008, 12:24:07 PM
I meant to comment with the above posting: do people allow their G. 'Trym' to seed about or is it that they collect the seed and sow them in a different location or in a pot, perhaps.

It is my practice to deadhead all  my snowdrops so prevent self-seeding so as to keep a clump pure and true to type.

What do other people do?

Paddy
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 28, 2008, 03:45:48 PM
Ah, that's 'Trym'. I've never had seed from my 'Trym'. I tend to collect seed, assuming the slugs don't eat the pods.
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: David Quinton on February 28, 2008, 10:24:30 PM
Paddy,

Your Trym looks like mine did 2 weeks ago although the ovary does look a little longer than the one in my photo. Unfortunately I didn't get an opportunity to photograph the flower in the earlier stages of development. Never mind. I'll have to make a point of checking again next year.

I was going to try and collect seed last year. I waited for the seed pod to ripen and you guessed it, the day before intended harvesting I noticed that it had disappeared. I'll keep a look out for Trym-like seedlings but don't hold your breath as they are likely to take a few years to flower  ;D

David
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on February 28, 2008, 10:28:55 PM
Ah, that's 'Trym'. I've never had seed from my 'Trym'. I tend to collect seed, assuming the slugs don't eat the pods.

The plot thickens.  I do have a pot of ?Trym? seedlings so.............

Checked the flowers today and it's definitely quite over.  The markings are worrisome, I do fear a virus.

johnw
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: mark smyth on February 28, 2008, 11:29:07 PM
I got Trym in the post and very grateful. Thanks! I know you're watching!  ;)
Title: Re: Martha MacLaren & nivalis ssp. imperati
Post by: johnw on March 03, 2008, 09:01:07 PM
Possibly the last word on the Trym thread.

I had an email from John Grimshaw today, I had sent him the ?Trym? shot I posted.

He says;

"My first thought is that it's a seedling from 'Trym' not the original clone, but perhaps the outer segs have elongated in the heat.
Doesn't look virused to me; that usually shows as variable intensity of the green mark. ... All these Trymmy things' marks can break up sometimes."

Weather to break tomorrow with the rains forecast, after an ugly cold snap.

Is frost holding off over there? Friends in Denmark have Leucojum in bloom along side Rhododednron strigillosum!

johnw
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