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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: johnw on April 16, 2016, 09:28:42 PM
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A smattering of 2016 Podo seedlings in photo #1, followed by a few early expanded leaves on older ones and emerging shoots here on a cold but sunny day. The best time of year!
johnw
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I could easily sit and watch these expand the day long. A few more:
johnw
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A great selection John. Yes they're fascinating to watch emerging; primaeval x 1970s special effects 8)
What's the second last one with the furry buds?
Seedlings here are at a similar stage. They were potted on last year en masse but should probably be separated now.
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Ashley
Funny you should mention it as I was thinking as I was photographing that 4 & 5 remind me of those kitsch horror movies with V. Price that we'd go to see in the 60's.
Second last is P. mairei ex Green Mile, the furry buds are not a consistent feature of mairei sorry to say.
Of note I was at a friend's garden this afternoon and she was lamenting that her P. versipelle got hit by a hard freeze two or more weeks ago, -7/8c when it was up 3 inches. With some fancy footwork Ken got to the shoots and found the brown was a shoot sheath and the leaves were thoroughly unscathed. I suspect P. aurantiocaule and P. delavayi might not be quite so accomodating.
johnw
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A smattering of 2016 Podo seedlings in photo #1, followed by a few early expanded leaves on older ones and emerging shoots here on a cold but sunny day. The best time of year!
johnw
Fantastic collection John! You are so right - best time of the year here! Only new peony leaves will put me in the same trance.
My seedlings are slow, I started them late, but I saw a first tiny true leaf on P. delavayi - thanks a million! I will take a picture tomorrow.
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Great leaves! Here Podophyllum are not yet up (which is good), but I'm waiting for the ones that germinated last year from seeds I got from ashley to come up. :)
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Very nice specimen, Johnw. In my garden there are only 'Spotty Dotty'. I think buy others if I find at fairs plants. I made several pictures within days. I thought I was the only one to be fascinated by this show.
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Our plants in Sheffield are not yet through (either in the ground or last year's seedlings in pots) and nor have seeds germinated yet. Last year seeds germinated on April 12th so a little anxiety has been fomented.
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Our plants in Sheffield are not yet through (either in the ground or last year's seedlings in pots) and nor have seeds germinated yet. Last year seeds germinated on April 12th so a little anxiety has been fomented.
Neither are mine here in SW Scotland. I hope the prolonged winter wet has not caused a problem.
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It does seem odd that Podos would not yet be up in Scotland or England. Our winters are certainly colder than years but this year there's been no frost in the ground, snows lasted but a few days, rains very heavy indeed and yet frosts have been persistent even till now. We just need a few days around 10-15c but they're elusive, so in short our soils are very cold yet the Podos are up about 3" / 8cm though just in southernly-exposed beds. We've even saw tiny seedlings up. Trusting all be well with yours.
johnw
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The strange thing is that Ian Young reported new shoots on a podophyllum in January, in cold Aberdeen.
I will let you all know if and when mine appear.
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Mine are all through in NW England and Spotty Dotty has it's leaves expanded. Some are just showing and others three inches high.
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Here they are, miniature Podo leaves - P. delavayi, seeds from John :)
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It's hard NOT to want to add these to your garden....
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So true, Carlo - I find them irresistible for sure. Mind you, the list of my weaknesses is a long one, I must admit!
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Apparently we suffer from the same malady...(and I know we're not alone...).
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Something reptilian emerging from the ground...
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First seed germinated yesterday. Nothing above ground for the parent plant on the allotment nor for last year's seedlings in pots though roots look healthy.
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Great colour on that one Ralph. Do show us how it progresses.
john
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Anyone here growing 'Red Panda'? How does it do?
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Wim - We passsed on 'Red Panda' as Philip MacD.'s hybrids of the same cross are far superior.
john
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Wim - We passsed on 'Red Panda' as Philip MacD.'s hybrids of the same cross are far superior.
john
Oh, pics?? Will probably never be available in Europe :'( but still, pics?? ;D
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Podophyllum 'Red Panda' was named by Ernie and Marietta O’byrne of Northwest Garden Nursery -
this photo is from an article by Dan Heims for the PHS (http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/podophyllums-the-mayapples-of-asia-and-america-2/ (http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/podophyllums-the-mayapples-of-asia-and-america-2/) )
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'Red Panda' - uppper left - others are Dan's Terra Nova hybrids.
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Podophyllum 'Red Panda' was named by Ernie and Marietta O’byrne of Northwest Garden Nursery -
this photo is from an article by Dan Heims for the PHS
Thanks Maggi! I had seen that pic, they look great but now I'm curious in Philip's cv's...he does post on the forum now and again, no?
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He does, Wim - we'll see if John can tempt him out to show photos of his cultivars!
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I wonder how many times one needs to cross P. delavayi and P. pleianthum to get a Red Panda?
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I wonder how many times one needs to cross P. delavayi and P. pleianthum to get a Red Panda?
Brian - I don't think it matters which you use with delavayi, pleianthum or versipelle. What does matter is how great the delavayi is and we used Philip's best in our cross. As you see in the frame - left - hohums, mid 50% are pretty good (best is mid-upper-right), right some delavayis. Colours are much better in full sun and these are in a fair amount of shade..
Somewhere in iPhoto I have a pic of Philip's best of this cross but where is the question.
johnw
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Now I really need to get them all! Take a peek at the article Maggi referenced. Good information from Dan and more great photographs!
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Brian - I don't think it matters which you use with delavayi, pleianthum or versipelle. What does matter is how great the delavayi is ...
Will get the paintbrush out to N due course :)
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Brian - I don't think it matters which you use with delavayi, pleianthum or versipelle. What does matter is how great the delavayi is and we used Philip's best in our cross. As you see in the frame - left - hohums, mid 50% are pretty good (best is mid-upper-right), right some delavayis. Colours are much better in full sun and these are in a fair amount of shade..
Somewhere in iPhoto I have a pic of Philip's best of this cross but where is the question.
johnw
Wow :o I wouldn't mind even the 'hohums' (I assume 'bad' ones, I don't really know this word).
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Gabriela. "hohum"- ordinary, nothing special.
John
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Given one's using a very good delavayi as mother I think the cross delavayi x mairei will give some nicely marked plants.
Just a baby here.
johnw
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John, a seedling of P. marie you gave to me. I was a skeptic about it being a separate species but seeing it bloom it looks distinct
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I'll try that again.
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On P. delavayi colours seem variable from year to year but seem to improve as the plants get older, contrary to what Stern's monograph indicates. These 2 got a lot of sun last year, one had a meltdown. Neither are as good this year.
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And the bed at Far Reaches Farm
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And some goodness from this year, our garden
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Crikey, Philip, every one a gem!
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Now it wasn't bad enough PMcD was texting me Paris pictures all through the night which meant the Blackberry was dead by 6am & I still wide awake, now these stunners!
Time for those Paris pix here.
johnw
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John, a seedling of P. marie you gave to me. I was a skeptic about it being a separate species but seeing it bloom it looks distinct
re: P. mairei
Thirty years (this year!) and so little faith.... ;)
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Two selections of our hybrids using PMcD's best delavayi as mother & versipelle as dad. BTW Philip Ken is getting a good number of your two best delavayi propagated by root cuttings, that is to say pre 'Down for Brown' and 'Red Hot Mama' delavayis.
What will be useful are the really late emerging delavayis here. Just lucky this year with such an early spring and then more than a few unexpected April frosts that the delavayis hadn't emerged, there was however a lot of carting pots of them in and out every day.
john
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Amazing shapes and colours ! Nice to look at them ;)
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The same E5-#1 yesterday. Lots of cold sun but maybe better if it had had warm sun.
john
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WOW Philip, those look great!!
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My goodness Philip and John, don't do this to me! Love that 'Red Hot Mess' and 'E5-#1' but all of them are stunning. I shall have to go and have a lie down :o
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Great colour on that one Ralph. Do show us how it progresses.
john
Here it is now, somewhat eaten and less attractive! Any idea as to species?
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Podophyllum peltatum emerging.
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Went looking for P. peltatum that may keep a darker colour later, after the leaves expand. A bit early to say but found what looks to be an interesting 'chimera' specimen. It is the beginning of Trillium flowering in Ontario.
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Lovely to see these peltatum in the wild Gabriela, and T. grandiflorum too 8)
Are those taller plants with pleated leaves Diosporum or something else?
Such a beautiful time of year.
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Lovely to see these peltatum in the wild Gabriela
And one that's best left in the wild Ashley as it is sheer hell in a garden, impossible to eradicate. Worse than that it harbours mayapple rust which will obliterate the Asian species.
Here it is in a nearby county along with 3 other pests that are over-taking this old garden, violets, Berberis vulgaris and norway maple..
john - +11c & overcast
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Ah. I was just about to release a batch of plants from pots after they had finished flowering :-X
Maybe in an area where spread can be curtailed, and well away from other spp.?
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Lovely to see these peltatum in the wild Gabriela, and T. grandiflorum too 8)
Are those taller plants with pleated leaves Diosporum or something else?
Such a beautiful time of year.
The graceful plant is Maianthemum racemosum Ashley. I took the pictures in a particular wooded area with a rich species association, unfortunately not often seen.
If it could only be May forever... :)
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And one that's best left in the wild Ashley as it is sheer hell in a garden, impossible to eradicate. Worse than that it harbours mayapple rust which will obliterate the Asian species.
Here it is in a nearby county along with 3 other pests that are over-taking this old garden, violets, Berberis vulgaris and norway maple..
john - +11c & overcast
John – with all due respect, to put P. peltatum on the same ‘weed list’ with the Norway maple it is absolutely ridiculous and I’ll say no more for now…One picture from an old garden doesn’t say all about a species.
Planted on a dry- side location the mayapple is manageable and since it will expand mostly vegetatively (lucky if you’ll get fruits) it can be easily allocated its own space (combined with other woodland species works fine).
The rust I can’t comment much, that’s a different problem anyway. I never found plants with it in this part of Ontario but it would surely spread to the Asian mayapples.
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Here it is now, somewhat eaten and less attractive! Any idea as to species?
Podophyllum hexandrum ;)
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Maybe in an area where spread can be curtailed, and well away from other spp.?
Ashley
Is it relly worth the risk? These rusts are impossible to eradicate and at least here come they will if there are any peltatums about.
john
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Despite our very cold springs P. delavayi has a tendency to emerge too early, with little frost tolerance it can get clobbered by the late frosts that seem to be a routine event away from the immediate Atlantic coastline. So this delavayi D16 looks very promising as it is just emerging this week - a month later than others, given the stronger sun the foliage is particularly well-coloured. One of the great things sbout growing from seed is that sometimes nature can give you just what you need.
john
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Podophyllum hexandrum ;)
Thanks. Here's a leaf - does it look right for P. hexandrum?
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Rest at ease, not P. peltatum but looks right for P. hexandrum (emodi) Ralph. Here are ours and yours may well change shape as it matures.
john
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Well, I'm getting the fever! I ordered 2 hexandrums, Spotty Dotty and, maybe a mistake, peltatum (all I could find). SD is beautiful, of course. Does anyone know if this hybrid is fertile and what the parents were? As it is producing flowers, I may know soon enough. Are podo-sinopodos self-fertile, or on the fussy side? Ralph, John, anyone?
cheers,
j.
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Jamie - Spotty Dotty does not produce seed here but its pollen may be ok. Avent says it's a delavayi hybrid and a few other brave souls mention difforme as the other parent but I think that's sheer conjecture. Robin could surely tell us more.
The other species require pollination from another clone or species to set seed, the pollen can be reluctant to release from the anthers but it can be teased out with a toothpick or scalpel. Can't say anything about peltatum but there is a hybrid of it with hexandrum I think, don't know if it too is a carrier of rust.
There seems to be an obscene number of flowers coming this year so I reckon seed set will be excellent.
johnw
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John,
thanks for the infos. I'll attempt some crosses with Spotty Dotty, as who knows. Beginners luck, maybe. Do you know if the seed stores well, or does it prefer immediate planting. I need to keep my eyes out for some, as well as other clones.
I took two shots, today.
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Who knows, indeed but do use SD's pollen.
Send me a PM in September and I'll send you some seed. We collect just before the seed pods drop, clean - a horribl;e slimey job, place in ziplock bags in damp live sphagnum moss and store in the refrigerator for 3 months, then sow. You could plant right away, keep the soil evenly moist outdoors and let them emerge on spring.
john
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Thanks for the offer, John. I'll report back on the pollination attempts.
cheers,
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Big sheets of P. peltatatum in flower in the Botanic Gardens bit P. hexandrum only just emerging. I guess the separation of P. hexandrum as Sinopodophyllum hexandrum makes sense ?
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Podophyllum hexandrum-sown December 2010
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Now here's a puzzle and I cannot say I've ever seen this phenomenom to date. This Podo - pleianthum or versipelle or a hybrid between the two - surfaced normally and with a good deal of vigour this spring. The leaf was extremely thickened, almost like a tetraploid. However it failed to expand, started to turn black and then was engulfed in the horrible brown-black streaking. Nevertheless it bravely tried to open its flowers. Binned.
Initially I suspected virus and it may well be that. We also get the odd plant that has yellow segments in the leaves and we've been tossing them too, I suppose all not surprising given the numbers we grow. Anyone with experience in these matters?
johnw
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That reminds me of Fusarium or Botrytis, which I occaisionally see in other plants during the wet Spring, especially when we have sudden warm spells.
Thanks for sharing the fotos! As I am aquiring as many Podos as I can find at the moment........ forewarned.
j.
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Jamie - Thanks. Our springs are usually wet, foggy and damp so with only one plant so affected it must not be a common problem. The green bin was the right place for it. The thickening of the leaves is rather odd though.
john