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Title: Scilla 2008
Post by: Hans J on February 24, 2008, 05:26:52 PM

Hi all ,

here are some Scilla pics from today
sorry -but the most are unamed -exept the first :

Scilla miczenkoana

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on February 24, 2008, 07:42:41 PM

I think I feel the beginnings of another obsession, what nice little plants.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Armin on February 24, 2008, 09:51:13 PM

Hans, nice scillas.
Mine are still sleepy...

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Hans J on February 24, 2008, 09:54:51 PM

Thats all pics from Scillas ( single pots ) from my bulbframe ....all other are also sleeping !

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: dominique on February 26, 2008, 01:21:52 AM

Splendid Hans ! Thank you

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: gote on February 29, 2008, 04:13:07 PM

Hans,
Is not the second one a Puschkinia? I have always believed that Scilla (in the narrow old sense) has thin filaments to the anthers.
I am glad you start on this. The scillas are overlooked in my view.
Göte

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Hans J on February 29, 2008, 06:56:25 PM

Quote from: gote on February 29, 2008, 04:13:07 PM

Hans,
Is not the second one a Puschkinia? I have always believed that Scilla (in the narrow old sense) has thin filaments to the anthers.
I am glad you start on this. The scillas are overlooked in my view.
Göte

Göte ,

I'm really not so familar with this genus - I think the third one is a Puschkinia ...but which ?
Also I really dont know which species are this....
I have some more but the wether is not so nice.

Greetings
Hans

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Hans J on March 01, 2008, 01:55:40 PM

Some new pics from today :

Chionodoxa siehei
Scilla sibirica 'Alba'
Scilla spec. WK
Scilla spec. Sum

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: dominique on March 02, 2008, 03:50:39 PM

Hans
Scilla WK looks like Scilla greilhuberi ou hohenackeri. Great pics. Thanks

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Hans J on March 02, 2008, 03:53:45 PM

Dominique ,

I had the same idea with Sc. greilhuberii -but I was not shure .
Thank you for the ID !

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on March 27, 2008, 11:32:47 PM

A picture of a scilla in my raised bed.I have lost the label but Mrs W. thinks it is a hybrid.

The others are scilla bythinica from woods near the Black Sea coast in Turkey.It is my favorite one,graceful and a lovely slaty blue colour.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on March 28, 2008, 11:51:28 AM

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I am glad you start on this. The scillas are overlooked in my view.
Göte

I agree , thank you , Hans.... I must say that I find myself getting very confused with Scilla, Chionadoxa, Puschkinia and all their varieties..... I like them a lot but I cannot tell one from the other when I have not got half a dozen with labels in front of me! :-[ :-X So these are plants which I have just decided to enjoy, without any proper knowledge of their lives!!

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Armin on March 28, 2008, 09:39:05 PM

Tony,
very nice scilla cuties 8)

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Gerdk on April 15, 2008, 06:04:40 PM

Here is Scilla reverchonii - fine plant but nearly a weed

Gerd

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: ChrisB on April 15, 2008, 07:10:43 PM

Gerd, could you please send me some of these German 'weeds'?  They are lovely!

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Carlo on April 15, 2008, 07:32:50 PM

Good to know Gerd. I've got a few bulbs in a pot, but think I will loose them in the grass...a nice little drift of blue would be wonderful...

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2008, 10:58:37 PM

My general rule of thumb has always been that scillas have blue pollen while chionodoxas have white. But I don't know if that is always true.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Otto Fauser on April 17, 2008, 02:01:40 PM

Tony ,a little late , but I just came across your photo of the Scilla in your raised bed .It looks very much like my x Chionoscilla allenii ,a bigeneric hybrid . Yes Scilla bithynica is lovely , but here in my garden seeds itself all over the place ,and I have to weed it out.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: tboland on April 19, 2008, 11:17:34 PM

Two months later, my S. miczenkoana is just starting...better late than never!  You can all re-live the Scilla season through myself!

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: gote on April 20, 2008, 08:37:53 PM

Lesley,
I believe the difference is that Scilla have thin spreading filaments to the anthers. Chionodoxas have fat filaments that keep together.
Tony
My chionoscilla also looks like that. Triangular filaments but spreading.
First a close up of Scilla melaina
Second. a closeup of a chionodoxa forbesii or something like that.
Three We have a hybrid swarm so I am not sure about the names of our chionodoxas
Four. A close up of my Scionoscilla allenii.
Göte

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on April 20, 2008, 08:58:53 PM

Thank you! I believe I am learning something here about the plants which I find so confusing!  :-[ :-X
NOW:   who can help with descriptive photos of Puschkinias.....and   P. scilloides, Scilla puschkinioides etc??  ::)

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on April 20, 2008, 09:13:19 PM

Quote from: Otto Fauser on April 17, 2008, 02:01:40 PM

Tony ,a little late , but I just came across your photo of the Scilla in your raised bed .It looks very much like my x Chionoscilla allenii ,a bigeneric hybrid . Yes Scilla bithynica is lovely , but here in my garden seeds itself all over the place ,and I have to weed it out.

Otto thanks for the identification.You are quite correct I have found a labelled picture from last year.The bythinica is also seeding around but not yet a weed.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: tboland on April 20, 2008, 10:13:34 PM

The X Chionoscilla allenii in the bulb frame at our Botanical garden opened in the last few days.  Here is a close-up

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: tboland on April 20, 2008, 10:19:20 PM

The first Puschkinia scilloides are opening too.  Outdoors, these are still a couple of weeks from blooming.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 21, 2008, 01:27:14 AM

Otto, maybe you could save a little seed for me of Scilla bithynica? Pretty please?

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: gote on April 21, 2008, 07:47:00 AM

As I understand it, the filaments are fused to a short tube at the base in Puschkinia. I do not need to show a picture. there is a good one above.
Göte 

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on April 21, 2008, 11:08:16 AM

Göte, thank you  :-*
So, with these filament arrangements we have already covered, I am making good progress.... I think :-\
There is still scope for confusion for me with some of these bulbs though!!

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 21, 2008, 12:50:35 PM

Hans

Scilla sibirica newer turns it’s petals back like Cyclamen. And it has several flowers usually. Your
(http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1424.0;attach=48192;image)
could be a white form of S. rosenii. It has exactly Cyclamen-like flowers.

Could somebody ID my Caucasian Scilla?

(http://photofile.ru/photo/olga_bond/3535239/middle/76733762.jpg)
http://photofile.ru/users/olga_bond/3535239/76733762/#mainImageLink
Possibly S. vinogradovii?

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: gote on April 21, 2008, 01:00:47 PM

Olga,
You are right about the blue Scilla siberica but the white one does turn its tepals backwards. I grow both that one and Scilla rosenii and the genaral habitus, earliness, ease of cultivation are identical with the blue siberica but definitely differs from rosenii which is larger in all parts, has wider leaves and is more difficult in my place.
I know that it is an anomaly but the books and my observations coincide.
Göte

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 21, 2008, 03:12:10 PM

Gote

I can't disput with books.  :D But I have S. sibirica Alba - it's the same to spesies. Another clone?

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 21, 2008, 03:22:11 PM

(http://photofile.ru/photo/olga_bond/1356770/middle/76853328.jpg)
http://photofile.ru/photo/olga_bond/1356770/76853328.jpg

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: tboland on April 21, 2008, 07:11:27 PM

Olga, I cannot comment on the ID of the possible S. vinogradovii, but it certainly is a beauty! 

In regards to siberica alba, I'll have to keep an eye on mine when they open.  I started with one clump but now they are popping up all over the garden...makes me wonder if some of my blues ones simply mutated as I have tons of those.

My X Chionodoxa allenii arose spontaneously when I conveniently planted C. forbesii  'Pink Giant' next to S. bifolia 'Rosea'...I was hoping for a pink allenii but genetics being what it is, they turned out standard blue.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Otto Fauser on April 22, 2008, 02:40:24 PM

Olga ,does'nt your Caucasian Scilla look almost identical to Gote's Scilla melaina ?

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 22, 2008, 03:26:28 PM

Otto

Thanks for version! Main is lighter. It is light blue turning to almost white with blue veins. Scilla melaina is endemic to Turkey… Too far from Sochi. :)

Oh, I see image #4 from Hans! Scill.-spec.Vin.jpg Hans, does “Vin” mean vinogradovii? I can not open big image but this scilla seems to be similar to mine!

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: gote on April 22, 2008, 05:28:15 PM

Olga
Your Scila siberica alba looks like I think it should. However, there is a different one - not a clone; it seeds itself - that has been around in west Europe for many decades that seems to be white Scila siberica with tepals turned back. That is the one I have and which has been shown above. The one you have is new to me.
My Chionodoxas occasionally turn out white but although I have as many Scilla sibericas, there has never been any one like yours.
Talking about Scillas; do you think the name on my melaina is correct. I have no other authority than the suppliers name. A confirmation would be welcome.
Göte
 

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 22, 2008, 06:43:13 PM

Gote

My S. sibirica Alba sows itself to. I grow it far enough from typical form. One day they will mit… It is not Russian selection. I remember I bought it at flower shop. We can swap. :)

I also have my own white and pale-blue selections. But only several bulbs. Every spring I am planning to go for scilla selection. And every spring I find more interesting things to do.

Here are S. sibirica forms in my colleague’s garden:
(http://photofile.ru/photo/olga_bond/2015606/middle/76887062.jpg)
http://photofile.ru/photo/olga_bond/2015606/76887062.jpg

I’ve never seen S. melaina. Wish I visited Turkey. :) But shown by Hans scilla looks like mine.

Title: Re: Scilla 2008
Post by: gote on April 23, 2008, 10:43:27 AM

Nice difference between the scillas Olga. I have tried to select scillas but i have very little variation.
Just like you, I try to select various spring flowers but spring is such a busy time so I do not even get half done :-\
Göte