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Title: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Rick Goodenough on April 01, 2016, 06:21:14 PM
I have the privilege of growing G. 'Polar Bear' which is in near full bloom here today April 1, 2016 in SE Massachusetts, US. This was recently registered by its introducer, Patrick van den Berg of The Netherlands.

Best wishes to all for your "off-season" gardening! Rick
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on April 01, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
'Polar Bear' is a beauty isn't it, Rick?  Quite a lot of 'drops still in good condition here in the cold weather - brrrr!
I suppose we'll soon be into the  Southern hemisphere  autumn 'drops!

 Three  galanthus registered  by Patrick van den Berg  in Spring 2016:  'Beluga'  'Snow Fox' and  'Polar Bear' ....[attachimg=1]
'Beluga'

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'Snow Fox'

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'Polar Bear '
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Rick Goodenough on April 01, 2016, 07:00:06 PM
Maggi, yes, G. 'Polar Bear' is quite nice, a substantial drop which finishes out the season strong. Also, the name is a good fit as it is such a pure white color. Rick
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: SusanH on April 01, 2016, 07:18:01 PM
My 2 Polar Bears arrived from Avon Bulbs yesterday - stunning plants and reduced for end of season - what a bonus!!!!
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Rick Goodenough on April 01, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
Susan, good luck with them....I bet they will grow vigorously for you. Rick
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: SusanH on April 01, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Thanks Rick - missed out on them first time round from Avons catalogue so to get them at just over half price was a real bonus. Will keep you posted on their progress.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: kentish_lass on April 02, 2016, 03:44:31 AM
Yes Rick, Polar Bear is slightly different in many ways and I just had to grab a couple from Avon in their sale despite being a snowdrop crisis here!

I have been religiously digging, washing, fungiciding and potting a large area of my woodland area which seems impossibly infested with Swift Moth larvae.  They had all become very large clumps so the job has been huge.  Most were nibbled, some only slightly and others beyond hope....but anything badly damaged has been given a last chance in vermiculite in the dark as if chippings.  Will be interesting to see what happens to them.

I was so relieved to find my clump of Gloria, Rogers Rough, Whittallii and Alan's Treat were absolutely untouched.....phew!  I wanted all of those for so long and they were clumping nicely.

Now I have the worry of what to do with them now with this pesty moth all over the garden.  At the moment they are all repotted and safely in my garage near the double frosted window.  Will it be OK for me to let them go dormant in the safety of the garage while I think of a place to put them?  Can anyone advise me please!!??

I have purchased a couple more coldframes but am still working out a way of attaching fine mesh.  I saw very fine mesh wire on ebay but still confused on how to attach to the metal on a coldframe.  I have also purchased fine mesh cloches & pop up tents galore for when I replant into uninfected soil.......not sure where yet!

Any advise or ideas very gratefully accepted.

Also I have a spare 2oz packet of Actinovate imported from the USA - I ordered too much in my panic.  Mine is half the price of what they ask on Amazon UK.  Inbox me if interested.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 02, 2016, 07:58:17 AM
In principle. swift moths will not be on the wing until May at the earliest.  I would have thought outside under some fine insect mesh netting will give your pots more light and rain than inside a garage - but this is what I do so I would think that, wouldn't I?  What I think was my 'Wandlebury Ring', which completely failed to appear in 2009, somehow reappeared with a flower this year after I thought it was long gone.  This probably indicates that badly-eaten bulbs can regenerate, even if left in-situ.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 02, 2016, 11:45:17 AM
I would go along with Alan there, and yes
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badly-eaten bulbs can regenerate, even if left in-situ
which is why I grow mine in lattice pots in the ground despite the extra work!  I was very pleased this year to see G.alpinus var bortkewitschianus in the garden for the first time flowering after eight years missing!  All the attention it got was weeding and feeding. 
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Josh Nelson on April 02, 2016, 11:54:26 PM
a couple of late flowering plicatus today
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 03, 2016, 08:55:49 AM
Here is my G.alpinus v bortkewitschianus last week. I planted three bulbs in 2013, they have not increased much but are doing ok otherwise.
In the background there is G.plicatus 'Oreanda'.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 03, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
From my experience, if you can get G.alpinus v bortkewitschianus to flower you are doing pretty well.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 03, 2016, 09:53:59 AM
From my experience, if you can get G.alpinus v bortkewitschianus to flower you are doing pretty well.

 :) :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: kentish_lass on April 03, 2016, 11:26:04 PM
Thanks very much Brian and Alan - phew, so relieved to hear the Swift Moth will not be on the wing for another month as it gives me time to get all the netting in place.  I should have guessed it would be a while as the caterpillars I have been finding are big but still active so they need time to pupate etc.  Mine also have a penchant for Hellebores and now potted Hemerocallis - the latter would be difficult to destroy so I am not so bothered about them.

I have spent the last two days clearing an area to put the snowdrops from the garage - some have already gone dormant - be glad when they all do !!  I am praying next year will be better.

May I ask one more thing?!  I am rather confused how to look after the first year chips during the summer months.  Some are rather precious and all I have left of the original bulbs.  I have them in our outdoor conservatory area where they have been regularly fed and watered and are all looking good.  Will they naturally die down at the same time as the others and what do I do to stop them dehydrating after that and where should they be kept - inside or outside?  Damp or dry?

many thanks in advance
Jennie
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 04, 2016, 09:36:33 AM
Jennie I would have them outside in the shade and, bearing in mind your problems, cover them with one of your pop up cloche nets.  Keep them growing for as long as you can but once they are dormant they should be ok unless there is a prolonged drought, in which case give them a little sprinkling every 10 days or so.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: annew on April 04, 2016, 10:33:02 AM
I have purchased a couple more coldframes but am still working out a way of attaching fine mesh.  I saw very fine mesh wire on ebay but still confused on how to attach to the metal on a coldframe.  I have also purchased fine mesh cloches & pop up tents galore for when I replant into uninfected soil.......not sure where yet!
You can get rigid uPVC strips or aluminium strips from the DIY centre - if you drill small holes along you could sandwich the netting between this and the frame metal using rivets. I love rivets  :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: ashley on April 04, 2016, 12:55:27 PM
What?  Minions and rivets?
Clearly you are a woman of eclectic tastes Anne ;) ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 04, 2016, 01:49:34 PM
Clearly the minions are part-time rivetters ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: annew on April 04, 2016, 09:04:37 PM
If only..
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: annew on April 04, 2016, 09:05:29 PM
The last to flower here outside - Fieldgate Superb.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Josh Nelson on April 04, 2016, 09:34:20 PM
One of the last of mine this year - petals lengthening and ahead of where it was last year around this time as shown in its more typical shuttlecock shape in the second photo.  A distinctively large and rounded receptacle on this plicatus selection.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: kentish_lass on April 04, 2016, 10:15:22 PM
Anne - I had never heard of a rivet before!  Just been watching a You Tube video on them....quite amazing.  Now I have to search through my dads tools to see if he has a rivet gun ;)  Thanks for that idea - I can see you are a dab hand at DIY while I am absolutely useless.

Josh - lovely plicatus.  I really like the big round seed heads too.

Thanks for the advice on 1 yr old chips Brian - I will get there in the end  ::) 
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 07, 2016, 04:51:50 PM
Don't throw those old seed pots out.  Inspecting today I find Pilous' 2012 lagodechianus and my own 'Wendy's Gold' op from 2012 sprouting well.  And I did not let them dry out!  Now the unsprouted pots will be keep piling up....

johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 08, 2016, 08:08:07 AM
I'm not "galanthophile", but this one I want to show here
Crocus nivalis from Eastern Carpathians in W Ukraine - excellent "viridapicis" - collected lasst spring.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 08, 2016, 09:46:54 AM
Excellent indeed Janis, the most beautifully shaped outer petals and fine mark.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 08, 2016, 11:15:29 AM
Don't throw those old seed pots out.  Inspecting today I find Pilous' 2012 lagodechianus and my own 'Wendy's Gold' op from 2012 sprouting well.  And I did not let them dry out!  Now the unsprouted pots will be keep piling up....

johnw
Thanks, John,
I'll keep an eye on a pot of G. Wendy's Gold sown in 2013!(but it hasn't been kept moist)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 09, 2016, 09:02:20 AM
Don't throw those old seed pots out.  Inspecting today I find Pilous' 2012 lagodechianus and my own 'Wendy's Gold' op from 2012 sprouting well.  And I did not let them dry out!  Now the unsprouted pots will be keep piling up....

Thank you John for this!
I sowed some seeds from my own yellow snowdrops last summer, they were fresh when sown, and I sowed at the same time some Corydalis seeds which germinated two weeks ago, so I wouldn't think that the pots next to each other would have dried out because Corydalis germinated, but snowdrops have not germinated yet. I've been a bit worried already, but I will have to be patient. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 12, 2016, 06:34:36 AM
We have had sunny days and cold nights again, last night was -5C, snowdrops are at their best now.
'Lord Lieutenant'
'Ophelia'
'Bill Clark', the bigger clump in the background is 'Mrs Macnamara', it is a very good snowdrop with long flowering period
'Green Light', and last a close up of the flower. The green in the outers is very faint, but the leaves are bright green.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 12, 2016, 06:38:10 AM
'Gerard Parker', I like this very much, the flowers are such round and showy. It was planted last summer, and came up quite early and suffered a little from the cold, but I hope it will adjust itself in the years to come.
'Copton Trym'
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 12, 2016, 08:01:54 AM
'Green Light', and last a close up of the flower. The green in the outers is very faint, but the leaves are bright green.

The quantity of green on the outers varies from year to year but it almost never completely fails to perform.  It also bulks-up in fits and starts with a bumper year where one bulb becomes around 10 bulbs every so often.   
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on April 12, 2016, 11:34:22 AM
Lovely to see your flowers coming out, Leena - and your  photos, are, as ever,  beautiful.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 13, 2016, 07:23:56 AM
Thanks Maggi, this is the best time!

The quantity of green on the outers varies from year to year but it almost never completely fails to perform.  It also bulks-up in fits and starts with a bumper year where one bulb becomes around 10 bulbs every so often.

Thanks Alan. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 13, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
Couple of more pictures.
When 'Rosemary Burnham' came up in March I thought what a small snowdrop, but it has grown a lot since then and now it looks like this.
In the second picture there is 'Ray Cobb'. I have read that it could be difficult to grow but I planted one bulb in summer 2013 and in three years it has grown to this.
Couple of weeks ago I wrote here that my 'Lady Elphinstone has green marks in the petals this year, and at first it did, but now the marks have changed to more yellow like it was last year. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Gabriela on April 13, 2016, 05:39:46 PM
How wonderful Leena! Spring at last!  :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 14, 2016, 12:29:20 PM
I wonder if Leena, as someone who is growing named snowdrop cultivars,  is the most northerly galanthophile?
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on April 14, 2016, 06:46:24 PM
Leena might be Alan, but what about Hoy in Norway? Does he grow galanthus? I sent him some seeds awhile back, I wonder how he got on with them.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on April 14, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
Not sure he'd admit to being a galanthophile, John - he's a sensible chap .... but I think Leena is further north anyway!
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 14, 2016, 07:35:53 PM
I may be most northerly galanthophile (I don't know if I have enough of cultivars to be a true galanthophile) here in this forum, but I know two persons here in Finland who have a lot more named cultivars than I do (and they are also silent members of SRGC  :), I'm just more talkative), they grow snowdrops also in south of Finland, and then there are many more who have less named cultivars than me, one of them is growing snowdrops in Tampere which is 200 km north from my place. Of course I don't know everyone, just people from Finnish gardening forum. :)
I became attracted to snowdrops first because they are the first flowers in the spring, then I wanted to have different kinds, and to find out which ones would be best to grow here and could cope with sometimes long and snowy winter, sometimes cold without much snow.

All my snowdrops are now up and most are flowering, but 'Fieldgate Forte' has just only now come up a week ago, and I was sure I had lost 'Cicely Hall', but today I saw it peaking from the ground. What a relief, I really liked it last year.
The only snowdrop I haven't managed to grow is 'Barnes'. I have tried it now twice, once from dormant bulb in September and it never came up, and now last spring I got two bulbs of it in-the-green, and planted them in two separate places, and neither one has come up, not in December before the winter, and not now.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 14, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Not sure he'd admit to being a galanthophile, John - he's a sensible chap .... but I think Leena is further north anyway!

My climate is colder than Hoy's.  :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Hoy on April 14, 2016, 08:53:22 PM
Leena might be Alan, but what about Hoy in Norway? Does he grow galanthus? I sent him some seeds awhile back, I wonder how he got on with them.

John, i am growing galanthus but I don't collect names ;D So Maggi is right! I do try to get different forms though and hope for a little variation among my plants. Haven't seen any germination of your seed yet but it is still hope.

Galanthus has been grown in Norway at least since 1779 and is grown far north - more than 70oN (Vardų and Karasjokk).

The season is over in my garden. Here are two pics form March 10 (don't know the names):

[attach=1]  [attach=2]

I don't know exactly where Leena lives but the climate there is much colder than here, especially in winter.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 14, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
What an interesting day we've had! Drove to Truro, Nova Scotia to meet up with Bernard Jackson and Darwin Carr at the rock garden of Dalhousie Unversity's Truro Campus to check out a reported snowdrop wood north of Truro.  A one-way 00 mile trip, we feared we'd never find the site, we did in but a few moments upon arrival.  A wonderful glade with small streams running every which way through some of the richest moist brown soil I've seen in this province.  Most of the Galanthus were nivalis doubles (still bravely hanging on) and while yes there were large patches of singles (mostly over)  throughout the woods the largest swathes of seedlings seemed to be concentrated round the double patchs. Now why would that be? Found one nice long-flowered nivalis.

Huge drifts of Crocus tommasinianus seedlings, thousands upon thousands of them but only a few flowers left.  Scilla siberica as you might expect but numerous seedlings of Narcissus really surprised us.

johnw

1 single G. nivalis
2 double G. nivalis
3.   Galanthus & Leucojum, latter in stream
4. C. tommasinianus
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 14, 2016, 11:45:39 PM
What really stood out were the Leucojum vernum, they too were everywhere even growing in the streams.  A few had green markings  - very rare here    - and otherwise nothing notable until I happen to venture well into the woods on the opposite site of the road to see more nivalis. Something caught my eye in the distance, a lusty clump of vernum which I thought might be worth a look. Should or shouldn't I venture on with the others waiting with the truck running.  I should and they were worth it, a number of double ones and even one with fused ovaries and extra large flower.

The other big surprise was back at the Truro Campus where Darwin pointed out a bed of elwesii. He bought a few bulbs 15 years ago and they had spread everywhere throughout a sandy bed. They were even under dense spreading junipers, growing and seedling in the total darkeness.  I have never seen elwesii seed like that before, they were rampant.  I trust Ian Christie saw them when he visited 2 years ago. 

1. Leucojum vernum find.
2. L. split ovary double-flower
3. Heaths still loking find in Truro
4. typical elwesii seedling
5. more elwesii seedlings hanging on in a bit of shade.

The day ended with a memorable horticultural Thai meal of Khanom Jeen garnished with Boesenbergia rotunda.

What a day.

johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 15, 2016, 07:07:37 AM
I don't know exactly where Leena lives but the climate there is much colder than here, especially in winter.

The latitude where I live is about little over 60°, I think, but winters can be quite cold. This year the coldest week in January it was between -20 and -28°C, but mostly it is not so cold, and even now last night was  still -5°C, but days are warmer and the ground is not frozen any more. It always amazes me how snowdrops can come up from frozen ground.

Hoy, beautiful snowdrops! :)

John,  you had a great day, and I like especially your L.vernum finds. Has there been houses in the past where the snowdrops and Leucojum have escaped or why are they growing in the woods?
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 15, 2016, 08:01:52 AM
I may be most northerly galanthophile (I don't know if I have enough of cultivars to be a true galanthophile) here in this forum, but I know two persons here in Finland who have a lot more named cultivars than I do (and they are also silent members of SRGC  :), I'm just more talkative)....

Well 'Green Light' has not been widely distributed so I bet you have the most northerly example of that particular snowdrop.

I'm surprised that Barnes has proved quite so difficult.  One might imagine that it would flower and then fail to survive the winter but not to appear at all after being planted in the green seems just wrong.  Slugs and snails will attack autumn-flowering snowdrops here in the UK; could that be your problem?   
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 15, 2016, 09:49:17 AM
... even one with fused ovaries and extra large flower.

What fun that one is, and what a day indeed!
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 15, 2016, 02:02:44 PM
Drove to Truro, Nova Scotia ...  to check out a reported snowdrop wood in northern NS.

Out of reciprocity, where can I see a wood full of Trilliums in England?
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
Out of reciprocity, where can I see a wood full of Trilliums in England?

I don't know about 'a wood full' but I've seen goodly quantities at Knightshayes and in Beth Chatto's garden
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 15, 2016, 03:52:55 PM
Leena  - Yes these bulbs are escapees from a former garden, the very small foundation of the former house was quite visible.  In pictures it appears the house was not tiny, perhaps only one part had a foundation, regardless the house likely collapsed into the basement about 35 years ago.  The entire property is 35 hectares, the bulbs are in about 2 hectacres.  Those 2h are in serious need of branch and tree-thinning, the understory has a good deal of brambles and blackberries and it wasn't until we got to the restaurant and looked at one another that we realized we looked like we'd been in a cat fight or two.  Still picking thorns out.

The tommies unlike the other bulbs were concentrated on the sunny roadside of the property as one might expect.  One can only imagine what an incredible woodland garden this could be with not too much work, as long as that wasn't goutweed coming up; especially perfect for Primulas, Shortias, Epimediums etc..  I'd bet there's a darn good smattering of Trilliums waiting to erupt.

I wish I had taken more and better pix but we lost track of time and reason.

john
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Hoy on April 15, 2016, 05:39:07 PM
......  The entire property is 35 hectares, the bulbs are in about 2 hectacres.  Those 2h are in serious need of branch and tree-thinning, the understory has a good deal of brambles and blackberries and it wasn't until we got to the restaurant and looked at one another that we realized we looked like we'd been in a cat fight or two.  Still picking thorns out.
........

john

Nobody owns it ???  Seems to be an extraordinary place to make a gardeners heaven!

Maybe the brambles are an advantage, not many venture a trip into them ;)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Hoy on April 15, 2016, 05:44:36 PM
My last galanthus singing the last verse. No name though ;)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 15, 2016, 09:11:48 PM
Nobody owns it ???  Seems to be an extraordinary place to make a gardeners heaven!
Maybe the brambles are an advantage, not many venture a trip into them ;)

The Province was bequeathed it but they've done nothing with it.  I intend to look into the matter.  And yes the brambles are certainly a help.

john
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 16, 2016, 07:20:30 AM
Well 'Green Light' has not been widely distributed so I bet you have the most northerly example of that particular snowdrop.

I'm surprised that Barnes has proved quite so difficult.  One might imagine that it would flower and then fail to survive the winter but not to appear at all after being planted in the green seems just wrong.  Slugs and snails will attack autumn-flowering snowdrops here in the UK; could that be your problem?   

Yes, thanks to you Alan. :)

About slugs and snails, we have them but not much and I doubt they could have destroyed 'Barnes', and not in both places. I have kept close eye on those places since last autumn and no sign of them. At the same time I planted three G.reginae-olgae's and they all came up, the first in October and the other two in November and all of them have still now leaves.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on April 16, 2016, 11:11:06 AM
Could they have rotted away Leena?
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 16, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
Could they have rotted away Leena?

Yes, I think that is what has happened. Why this particular cultivar is prone to it here, I don't know.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on April 16, 2016, 11:45:07 PM
Another though Leena, what is the soil like where you are planting Barnes? If you do try again it might be an idea to improve the drainage so it survives the winter, grit or sharp sand something like that and mix it in with the soil.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 17, 2016, 07:55:06 AM
Thanks John  :), but I planted them in my best places. The other one beside 'Mrs Macnamara' (and others) and the other one in a bed where for instance 'Ray Cobb' does well and also 'Rosemary Burnham' came up ok.  I'm glad that 'Barnes' is not something extra special which I really wanted to grow, so it doesn't matter if it doesn't like it here, it is just curious and also interesting.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 17, 2016, 08:54:20 AM
My most expensive snowdrop, but worth it. :)
'E.A.Bowles', one bulb planted last summer and many flowers now
But I also like common G.nivalis. These have grown here the longest and produce seedlings as you can see in the picture.
And I also like G.nivalis 'Flore Pleno'
And 'Gerard Parker' -  what snowdrop I don't like I don't know..
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 17, 2016, 09:04:16 AM
I've just had my best ever year for snowdrop losses, or lack of them to be more precise.  I have only lost one that I am aware of and that looked unhealthy when I potted it up last year.  This might be good fortune or it might mean I am getting better at caring for my snowdrops.  One thing that I did last year was to cover the majority of my snowdrops, the ones where it is possible, with a fine insect-mesh netting from the end of May to the beginning of September.  If that worked then it means that many losses in previous years were down predation by insects that arrived from above and were blocked by the mesh netting. 
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on April 17, 2016, 01:59:15 PM
It's a mystery leena that's for sure.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 17, 2016, 07:25:00 PM
I've just had my best ever year for snowdrop losses, or lack of them to be more precise.  I have only lost one that I am aware of and that looked unhealthy when I potted it up last year.  This might be good fortune or it might mean I am getting better at caring for my snowdrops.  One thing that I did last year was to cover the majority of my snowdrops, the ones where it is possible, with a fine insect-mesh netting from the end of May to the beginning of September.  If that worked then it means that many losses in previous years were down predation by insects that arrived from above and were blocked by the mesh netting.

One good thing about my cold climate is that we don't have so many pests, but personally I would rather have them and warmer and shorter winters. :)
I don't think we have narcissus fly here, and the end of last December with very little snow and very cold was hard on snails, too. I have found now empty shells.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 17, 2016, 07:57:49 PM
What a disorted view others must get of the weather here on the coast.  The airport 40km inland is the official Halifax weather station yet no one lives there nor within kilometres.  Friday night it was reported Hfx. got 25cm of the snow, they did but the city of Halifax got less than an inch.  Friend 20km inland got 20cm and most is gone today.

1.  A smattering of snowdrops here.

2.  Friend's Galanthus nivalis (Thelma Chapman's #1) early this afternoon, a nice snappy little one but not worthy of a name though we cherish recording the source.

john
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 18, 2016, 07:09:02 AM
How lovely snowdrops in the snow. :)
I have G.nivalis now from several different sources. One is "my own" old G.nivalis which I've grown for 17 years, and which is medium size and good increaser, then there are two different kinds from old gardens in Finland (the other has so small flowers that if it wasn't from here I wouldn't grow it, but the other one is very prolific and though not tall the flowers are in proportion to the stems and leaves and it is a very good plant). Then I have bought G.nivalis four times from garden centers and these plants came from bulk sellers from Netherlands. One year I was lucky and those G.nivalis are good looking, medium size and prolific, but three other "strains" are quite small and not even prolific (at least not so far). And of course then there are seedlings which especially my own G.nivalis produces. Earlier I thought that G.nivalis is G.nivalis and you get the same plant when you buy with that name, but you can get many kinds, and some of them are good garden plants but some are not.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 18, 2016, 08:10:41 AM
In the UK a lot of the 'wild' examples of G. nivalis are sterile, or nearly so.  If you get seedlings then when drifts start to form they will look very natural and sooner or later something interesting will arise. 
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 18, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
Galanthuis lost label, methinks maybe an aged 'Lady Moore'.  If it is it certainly is a feeble cultivar.  Anyone?

johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 18, 2016, 11:02:04 PM
Apologies to Paddy Tobin, who champions 'Lady Moore', but the leaves on that one tend to look a bit virused. 
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 21, 2016, 05:34:31 PM
1.  G. elwesii Government House green-tip, a good-sized one but going over, one of a number of finds in Victoria.

2-3 G. nivalis 'Cinderella', a little charmer and still looking fine.


johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: johnw on April 21, 2016, 10:05:48 PM
Sorry I missed these, I received the seeds as a kind gift from Melvyn.  Galanthus elwesii or gracilis seed cw Mt. Vermion, Greece 06/05/10 and maybe I mixed them up and sowed these instead of his reginae-olgae.  In any case they are obviously gracilis which I was hoping for and especially the split apical mark.

john
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 22, 2016, 10:48:31 AM
A picture to show why snowdrops sometimes fail to appear.  All these snowdrops have suffered attack (presumably by an insect) to the roots and basal plate.  Three of the four have still managed to produce some sort of shoot but one has lost all the basal plate and is spontaneously forming bulbils.

   
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on April 22, 2016, 02:07:13 PM
Tim Ingram, nurseryman and  SRGC blogger ( Rebuilding a nursery - Copton Ash) as well as diarist  on AGS site,  has a new article in the journal of the Hardy Plant Society (http://www.hardy-plant.org.uk) ..... 'Getting the Measure of Snowdrops' 


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Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 23, 2016, 07:32:16 AM
A picture to show why snowdrops sometimes fail to appear.  All these snowdrops have suffered attack (presumably by an insect) to the roots and basal plate.  Three of the four have still managed to produce some sort of shoot but one has lost all the basal plate and is spontaneously forming bulbils.

Thanks for the photos. Just last week the other of my 'Barnes' showed up, growing a tiny leaf so it is alive! The most of the bulb must have rotted, but as I didn't dig it up I don't know for sure.

Some pictures of snowdrops last week.
'Moreton Mill' was planted last summer, I like this one though it is not very big.
In the third picture there is on the right an unnamed late G.plicatus which I got from a forumist Gail. I like it a lot, and it has multiplied well since 2013 when all these snowdrops were planted. The yellow on the left is 'Wendy's Gold, and behind it is 'Bill Clark'. To the right from BC is 'Straffan' and to the right from it is 'Cedric's Prolific', which is not prolific at all here. The tall one in the back is 'Mrs Macnamara'. All other snowdrops were only one bulb when planted, except 'Wendy's Gold' was two bulbs', so it is easy to see which ones have multiplied well: Gail's plicatus, 'Straffan' and 'Mrs Macnamara', but also the yellows are now settled and I hope will start to multiply more.
In the fourth picture there is 'Trymming', and the blurry unfocused snowdrop in bud in front of it is 'Fieldgate Forte' which came up very late. It was a late snowdrop also last year. Last summer I planted 'Fieldgate Tiffany' and also it has only  come up last week, so it seems also to be a late one. Is this normal for it? What part of UK do the Fieldgate snowdrops come from? It seems that they (or at least these two) may do well here being late snowdrops, but time will tell if I'm right.  :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 23, 2016, 09:35:40 AM
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'Fieldgate Forte' which came up very late. It was a late snowdrop also last year. Last summer I planted 'Fieldgate Tiffany' and also it has only  come up last week, so it seems also to be a late one. Is this normal for it? What part of UK do the Fieldgate snowdrops come from?

They were bred by Colin Mason at Kenilworth in Warwickshire.  Modern Art is reputed to be one of the parents.  They are not particularly late here but are all good plants of great stature.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 23, 2016, 04:28:52 PM
Thanks Brian.  :)
I googled  Warwickshire and it is not very north. I liked 'Fieldgate Forte' so that is why I bought 'Fieldgate Tiffany'. FF has increased from last year, and it is indeed good.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 25, 2016, 07:02:07 AM
Couple of snowdrops I like:
'Lady Beatrix Stanley' has increased well from one bulb in 2011 to this clump, I will have to divide it this summer.
'Lord Lieutenant' flowers now the second time, and though I have posted one picture of it, I'll post another. I like very much how it's leaves are short compared to the flower stalk, and it stays erect when some other snowdrops flop over.
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Alan_b on April 25, 2016, 08:22:03 AM
Couple of snowdrops I like:
'Mrs Lady Beatrix Stanley' ...

In German you would address a male doctor as 'Herr Doktor' and I believe a professor could be 'Herr Professor Doktor'.  I don't speak Finnish but perhaps the same principle applies?  However in all the English-speaking countries I can think of, we only use one title and the grandest one takes precedence.  So the name of that particular snowdrop is just 'Lady Beatrix Stanley', no 'Mrs'.  I find 'Lady Beatrix Stanley' to be a 'good doer' that increases well.   
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Leena on April 25, 2016, 09:25:22 AM
Thanks Alan, I corrected the name. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus April 2016
Post by: Blonde Ingrid on April 29, 2016, 12:14:08 PM
The very best way of occupying yourself when the snowdrop season hits a lull? Opening snowdrop parcels from dear friends.

Experience has taught me to be sitting down when Petra sends a gift pack, thank goodness I assumed the position before opening this one!

A vast hole has been made in my AT's 2017 target list, Green Maid, Tante Anne, G.n. Schlyters Dwarg, a number of 'Petra spiky specials' and in addition a yellow from Germany that I only knew by rumour!

A fantastic collection, thanks so much Petra.
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