Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: robsorchids on February 23, 2008, 10:00:14 PM
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being a species drop does this one naturally have smaller bulbs?
i decided to grow it under glass this year (alpine house with reginae olgae cultivars) (again to be covered with fleece when the time is right as my last lot got bulb fly as so many others did annoyingly)
thanks
rob
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Rob
I find this and transcaucasica certainly have smaller bulbs. Think I am growing them corrrectly and would be interested to know if our expert growers have large bulbs.
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What do you mean by small?
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Rob, have you got a ruler? It would be useful ::)
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I would say bulbs that are small are half an inch to three quarters, whereas large bulbs start at one inch from base to start of leaves.
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A friend of mine, no longer with us alas, told me that there are two distinct types of peshmenii going around, one of which has large bulbs, and one small - both producing similarly sized aerial parts. (that is, they look the same above ground)
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Hmm...... the plot thickens...
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You've got the answer Maggi! Soil type. The soil in my plot is very thick! ;)
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Here is my answer :
G. peshmeniii grows in my garden like a weed - without any protection !!!
There is no difference in size with other Galanthus ( p.e. with G. r.o. ssp. vernalis )
the only bulbs are really small are the bulbs of G. gracilis .....but no wonder -the plants are also very small
Here is a pic from my Galanthus wall - in the row above grows G. peshmenii+ G.reginae olgae ( plus ssp. vernalis )......
This wall is now new builded ( we must build a new garage ) and the workers has comlete rebuild all
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Rob :
Yes I grow outside the most of my snowdrops !
my only problem is always G. cilicicus .....
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Rob
I grow peshmenii outside successfully. Only problem I find, is that if we do not have enough sunshine, it does not always flower. This can be the same with reginae-olgae.
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Not tried cilicicus, so can't comment. I have peshmsnii both inside and out, both those outsdie flowered in Jaunary! My gracilis is not much smaller than elwesii, i.e. quite large.
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I grow peshmenii outside in a trough.
Anthony if your gracilis is as big as an elwesii you might have one of the cultivars
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Heigh ho. Will have to cross that one off my record list. ???
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Friends, there is a question which has been taxing me... and at least one other forumist..... can someone please help us to understand the difference bewtween G. regina-olgae and G. peshmenii?
From previous discussion on the forum I have got this far........
Some people say reginae-olgae flowers without leaves showing and peshmenii has leaves present or only tips showing ....but this is not certain each year.... I'm told the only way to tell is to cut across a leaf and look at it's cut edge under a microscope. One has hole/s visible on the leaf edge but I don't know which!
It's not enough! Come on, please you 'Drop Fiends.... clue us in, please!
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Maggi, 'The Book' says
"G.peshmenii has leaves that are glaucescent to almost glaucous, not green to glaucescent with a prominent grey central stripe as in G. reginae-olgae. The leaves of G.peshmenii are also narrower , and usually longer, than those of G.reginae-olgae."
Does that help?
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Brian, every little helps, as the advert for a well-known supermarket says!!! ;D
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Last week I spoke in depth to someone about the differences between these two snowdrops. His answer was very simple and along the lines of
there is no obvious difference unless you know exactly where your bulbs came from ie you collected them or you can rely 100% on your source
How about that?
If you do want to know about your own plants eg mine have come from various sources including online suppliers and bulb sales you have to disect a leaf and take a section across the leaf and look at it under a microscope. G. peshmenii has larger tubes.
Are you willings to sacrifice a leaf? I'm not. I'm happy to know I have autumn flowering snowdrops
oops I should have read Maggi's words
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Maggi, 'The Book' says
"G.peshmenii has leaves that are glaucescent to almost glaucous, not green to glaucescent with a prominent grey central stripe as in G. reginae-olgae. The leaves of G.peshmenii are also narrower , and usually longer, than those of G.reginae-olgae."
Does that help?
I used to think they were the same and certainly the presence or absence of leaves at flowering time does not seem reliable. I do however think that when you see them side by side the leaves are clearly different and as quoted by Brian. I had some correspondence with an expert some years ago and we both agreed that we could see the difference when he pointed it out.
Not very helpful if you only have one species. Again looking to compare the tubes only works if you have both to compare.
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Hi everybody : thank you for this interesting post !
I have two forms of autumnal Galanthus, collected in nature ( :-[ ::) ) some years ago : one from Taygetos Mts and one from Epiros. The first form is a little more early in the season, and at the beginning of the second form, I compared the two forms (first photo) : the flower of the second one was smaller, then I asked if it could be G. peshmenii.
Two weeks later (this week end), I compared the flowers : the first form is finishing, but it seems that the flowers of the second one are taller than previous. Moreover, I compared the leaves side by side (photos : left, the Taygetos form) : for me, they are similar, so I think now that I have two true strains of G. ro ssp. ro.
If somebody is interested for comparison with his own strains, I would be happy next summer to swap the form from Epiros and G. ikariae ssp. snogerupii against other strains of known origin ;)
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Hi everybody !
My form from Epiros is still flowering, and the leaves are developping : does it help you to define if it is G. peshmenii or G. reginae-olgae ssp. reginae-olgae ?
Moreover, G. caucasicus from Taurus is beginning to flower, one month before last year !
best regards
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Galanthus[/i], collected in nature ( :-[ ::) ) some years ago : one from Taygetos Mts and one from Epiros. The first form is a little more early in the season, and at the beginning of the second form, I compared the two forms (first photo) : the flower of the second one was smaller, then I asked if it could be G. peshmenii.
Hi Bio..
As far as I know G. peshmenii is endemic to a small area in the Antalya region in SW Turkey [ and not in Greece].
It looks to me like you have two G. r-o.
also most of the peshmenii i saw and grow, bloom without having the leaves, these start to appear towards the end of blooming time.
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Oron
I agree with you they are G. r-o but what I would say about the G. peshmenii is that the amount of leaf growth at flowering time must depend on rainfall. This year the rain was particularly late and so the flowers mostly appeared without leaves but in previous years when they have been in flower in mid October they have had leaves.
If you look at Hagens pictures some have leaves and others do not.
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Thank you very much for this precise answer, now I'm sure of their identity ;)