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Title: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 14, 2016, 02:55:08 PM
The chums in East Lancs  have their show on 19th March - which gives a great alternative for those not able to get to Kincardine  for the SRGC Show that day!

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Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 14, 2016, 04:13:21 PM
Many thanks, Maggi … publicity sharing is always appreciated and, hopefully, mutually beneficial.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 14, 2016, 04:28:45 PM
You are most welcome, Cliff - I am aware there may be members unable to reach Kincardine that day who may be in dire need of  a plant fix - and cake!  :D
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 19, 2016, 06:21:39 PM
Another magnificent East Lancashire AGS show at Whitworth, near Rochdale today (19th March 2016) and congratulations to Carol Kellett and her wonderful team of helpers on such a successful event. The Farrer Medal for the best exhibit at the Show was won by Derek Pickard from Stockton-on-Tees with a superb plant of the very tricky Dionysia bryoides that had been sown in 2003. Congratulations to Derek and all the other successful exhibitors at the show.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 06:29:41 PM
What a great Dionysia - Derek is a great grower - Carol K and Team must be pleased with a show that turns up such a winner!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 19, 2016, 06:48:25 PM
Farrer Medal Dionysia bryoides Derek Pickard Stockton-on-Tees

Leander Trophy Brian Burrow Lancaster

Merlwood Trophy Primula 'Joan Hughes' Frank Dobson Scarisbrick

Booker Trophy Saxifraga 'Coolock Gem' David Morris, Caton

Eileen Lever Memorial Trophy David Morris, Caton

Mona Knowles Trophy David Morris, Caton

Allanson Trophy Diane Clement, Wolverhampton

Jim Lever Memorial Trophy Hepatica japonica 'Gyousei' Brian & Shelagh Smethurst, Bury

Grainger Trophy Don Peace, Yarm

Jeanne Finch Memorial Trophy Norman Davies, Bacup

AGS Medal Don Peace, Yarm

Cert. of Merit Hepatica japonica 'Gyouesi' Brian & Shelagh Smethurst

Cert. of Merit Ypsilandra thibetica Ian & Maria Leslie, Bangor
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
David Morris went 'south' for the East Lancs  show - you can see from Cliff's list that he did rather well - here a  few of his plants ....

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Congratulations, Dave- and all the other exhibitors too!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2016, 06:58:54 PM
What's happened to the Pudsey Piglets?
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 19, 2016, 07:05:15 PM
Devoured in hamburgers, hot dogs and kebabs mostly, David.

We are all in training for the 2016 event at Southport Show on 14th May … we enjoyed a boot camp at Kendal Show recently and have plans for multiple inculcations over the weeks to come.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Dave M on March 19, 2016, 07:28:19 PM
Really enjoyed the East Lancs show today Cliff and meeting all the team, my first visit here having got snowed off the year before last. I was talked into coming by a few of your members at Kendal last week and wasn't disappointed. A great team effort from you all and the pie and peas were top notch. Im going to have to come back next year if only to return the silverware!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2016, 07:33:10 PM
Devoured in hamburgers, hot dogs and kebabs mostly, David.

We are all in training for the 2016 event at Southport Show on 14th May … we enjoyed a boot camp at Kendal Show recently and have plans for multiple inculcations over the weeks to come.

Thanks for the update Cliff, just make sure that any reports of meetings are fed here where they will have significant historical and cultural significance and not to that Facetwit upstart.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
Oh David, quit grumpin' - Cliff would never let us miss out on the PP updates!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 19, 2016, 07:54:53 PM
A great team effort from you all and the pie and peas were top notch. Im going to have to come back next year if only to return the silverware!

We snare all our regular exhibitors like that, David … potato pie and peas and a trio of trophies … we never lose them after that.  Congratulations on your recent successes.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Dave M on March 19, 2016, 07:56:29 PM
Some fantastic colour today at the show, spring is really moving along now after the slow start!

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Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 08:19:45 PM
We snare all our regular exhibitors like that, David … potato pie and peas and a trio of trophies … we never lose them after that.  Congratulations on your recent successes.
  Cunning plan in place, clearly ! Growing hungry work, after all.......
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 08:21:46 PM
Lovely photos, Dave - benches look very colourful. 
( I made spaces between your pix to show them off better  ;) )
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Dave M on March 19, 2016, 08:41:08 PM
  Cunning plan in place, clearly ! Growing hungry work, after all.......
and a bar to celebrate successes!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 19, 2016, 08:48:13 PM
See, you even noticed the more subtle nuances.  :D
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: astragalus on March 19, 2016, 08:55:32 PM
Looks like agreat Show.  Wonderful color, wonderful plants.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Proof of the success of Dave Morris' day.....

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 Pretty good, eh?
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
Stewarding, eating, socialising and various other duties prevented me from capturing as many images as I had hoped (and a faulty flash reduced the quality and quantity of those that I did manage to take), but (for what they are worth) here are a few images of the East Lancashire AGS Show held yesterday at Whitworth.  Beginning with STAGING.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 11:57:23 AM
JUDGING
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
SHOW OPENS
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 12:05:17 PM
MORE ...
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 12:07:48 PM
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Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: astragalus on March 20, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
Great photos, Cliff.  Looks very colorful. Must have been a lot of fun doing the staging. I notice you managed to get a photo of Pulsatilla vernalis - why am I not  surprised?!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Lawrence on March 20, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Great pictures Cliif and an amazing haul of prizes Dave Morris, well done mate
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 20, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
There seem to be no shortage of fine plants on those benches!
 I am taken by that Primula  'Ellen Page' - unusual colour and very nice  shape to it.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 03:10:32 PM
More ...
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
And more ...
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
And some more ...
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
And some more ...
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 20, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
And finally … a lovely little Serapias neglecta from Barry Tattersall.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Dave M on March 20, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Great pictures Cliif and an amazing haul of prizes Dave Morris, well done mate
Cheers Lawrence, might have been a different result if you were not off galavanting and spending! How was it?
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Matt T on March 20, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
Cracking plants on display there, thanks Cliff. Someone get me to a show ASAP!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: shelagh on March 21, 2016, 07:37:20 AM
Rather late in posting this we were at the  Hepatica Day yesterday.

There is a new class in the AGS Show Schedules this year. "1 pan planted as a miniature garden, see note 22b, which reads with the emphasis on creating a garden setting including , if desired, accessories."  This one wasn't on the Show Bench but on one of the Trade Stands. I was told it had been designed by Ryan Forshaw who is paralized from the neck down. His carers are the ones who turn his ideas into a garden.  Thought you might like to see.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 21, 2016, 12:23:32 PM
Folks may be interested to learn a little about Ryan, his  philosophy and his company;  Grow Your Ideas  :
http://www.growyourideas.co.uk/pages/about-us (http://www.growyourideas.co.uk/pages/about-us)      8)
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 07:12:36 PM
Later than ever, probably folk are looking forward to Cleveland rather than back to last weekend, usual crowd of friendly folk, food might even have been better than ever given the selection of tempting 'morsels' if you can describe large slabs of cake and buns as 'morsels....I did not notice anyone complaining. The only blot on the landscape was the A1 being closed heading south with very little warning or signage and diversion signs were non existent, good job there were two of us in the car to get round the problem...was a cause of much comment from those exhibitors caught out by it.
I have too many pictures that are repeats of what has already been well covered so will edit some out.
Selecting the Farrer Medal winner might have been difficult from the judging point of view because the contenders were all of good quality, just different so when it comes down to it as a judge you go where your interest is, at any rate
Dionysia bryoides from Derek Pickard (60) was the winner, beating (I assume) from Certificate of Merit winners
Hepatica Gyousei (16) from Brian and Shelagh Smethurst, but did win them Jim Lever Memorial Trophy
Corydalis sewerzowii (14) from Peter Hood, as good as it was last week at Kendal and
Ypsiladra thibetica (26) from Ian and Maria Leslie...there were several on the bench (even took one myself), I learned at the show that to propagate all you need to do is pull a leaf off and stick in the sand and hey presto, a new plant
A three pan class from Don Peace, Fritillaria carica, Primula Arduaine, Anisitome imbricata
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 07:23:04 PM
In the main so far it would seem that Saxifraga have not been at the forefront at shows so far this year, however, as you might expect, there are always some that buck the trend
Saxifraga 'Allendale Tommy' from Tommy Anderson (68)
Saxifraga 'Allendale Ghost' (2) again same exhibitor
Saxifraga 'Rubens' (19) from Geoff Mawson , neither of the last two were in small pans, were 25-30 cm
Show scene, unusual for me I know, plus a person...Booker T and the MGs if my memory remember an old 'pop group'
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 07:35:26 PM
I will now show a few pictures of Primula that have been raised by Brian Burrow, he only names good ones, usually by a family connection, the way he is producing such fine exhibits I think he may have to start up more family!!!
Primula allionii 'Rosemary Burrow from Geoff Rollinson (55)
Primula allionii 'Francis Burrow' and
Primula allionii 'Judy Burrow', both shown by the man himself in class 55
Sticking with primula
Primula 'Eureka' from Frank and Barbara Hoyle (56) was an excellent exhibit and
Primula x meridiana 'Miniera' from Peter hood in 7 was as good as I have seen it for such a large pan
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 07:46:33 PM
When you have been around the shows for some years (putting it mildly) you come to expect certain plants to appear every year, such a one is
Fritillaria albuyana from Geoff Rollinson (73)
Bench scene, this one of the small classes of P allionii
Pulsatilla vernalis (66) from Ian and Maria Leslie, one of those plants that always reminds me of the Alps, the excitement when first we saw it
The trough class winner from John and Clare Dower, masters of the art
The most points in the Open section, won by Don Peace with such exhibits as class 4 a three pan
P. Netta Dennis, P.x Arduaine. P nana alba
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: David Nicholson on March 21, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
By any chance had Mr. Booker shoved some (a lot!) plants up his shirt? ;)
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 21, 2016, 08:07:06 PM
Are you referring to my money belt, Mr N.? :P
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 21, 2016, 08:10:19 PM
… And the image was taken just AFTER lunch. :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: David Nicholson on March 21, 2016, 08:11:55 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 08:37:03 PM
There was one plant |I would have liked to have taken home with me above all others and that was
Ranunculus crithmifolius from Don Peace in rare in cultivation (89), grew it for quite a few years then one year did not return, collected the seed but still no germination some 6 years on, now live in forlorn home that something might still germinate...the exhibit and notes
There were two exhibits of
Fritillaria kittaniae one for John Dixon in class 70, the other from Vic Aspland in 79, I show both as at first glance they do not appear to be the same cultivar but the explanation may be that, after talking to Vic Aspland is that his plant, usually grown in an outside sand plunge covered by glass, had this season not had the cover because of gales/storm damage so had full exposure to the elements, hence the reduced size
A Show with a lot of silverware to be won
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 08:38:48 PM
By any chance had Mr. Booker shoved some (a lot!) plants up his shirt? ;)
Nearly creased myself, did make me laugh, really fine comment
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: ranunculus on March 21, 2016, 08:41:39 PM
Nearly creased myself, did make me laugh, really fine comment

Anybody else want a go?   :)
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: David Nicholson on March 21, 2016, 08:42:42 PM
Nearly creased myself, did make me laugh, really fine comment

It takes a Yorkshireman to see and tell the truth George. :o
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 08:47:25 PM
A few Crocus
Crocus kosaninii (76) Vic Aspland
Crocus heuffelianus 'Brian Duncan' (76) George Young and from the same
Crocus vernus albiflorus
Rhododendron 'Linda' from John Savage  (31), he also had
Grevillea Poorindra Rondeau, although he used a different spelling (Gravillea)...more later   
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 08:58:12 PM
Galanthus ikariae ikariae  (71) from Ian Kidman...although he calls it Ikea ikea, doubt that the Swedish brand has ever produced such a fine product!
Two from Barry Tattersall
Serapias neglecta (8)
Anacamptis laxiflora (20), a tall plant not easy to get a good pic of
Leucojum vernum carpathicum (2) Tommy Anderson, a good garden plant
Primula allionii 'Mary Berry', Geoff Rollinson (8), just to show that can be done in the AGS as well as Sam Sutherland did at Kinkardine...well done Sam, keep up the good work
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Narcissus jacetanus from Ian and Maria  Leslie (75)
Narcissus cyclamineus 'Mite' (125) Frank Dobson (wrongly spelt on the label) as was
Iris Katharine Hodgkin by Pauline Carloss in 123...there is just no excuse for wrong labelling given the wealth of information out there, even in the Novice classes
Primula 'Joan Hughes' from Frank Dobson, best plant in the Intermediate section
Back view of the Rhododendron classes
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 21, 2016, 09:10:30 PM
Dear me, the Iris Katharine Hodgkin is badly affected by virus.
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 09:15:04 PM
Tulipa kurdica from Edward Barraclough (22)
Narcissus obesus 'Lee Martin' 77 Anne Wright...suspect it should be N bulbocodium obesus
Corydalis macrocentra (I think) from Don Peace in 13. He also had a nice winning fern in
Cheilanthes lindheimei in class 85
Bench view
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 21, 2016, 09:30:14 PM
I agree Maggi
Now for some help from the Forum community. I attach a picture of Erythronium multiscapoideum plus a close up in the next image showing different spellings plus at the show another such exhibit had a Judges Note re the spelling showing that it should be multiscipideum plus quoting a reference. All the years I have known this plant it was spelt as I have started this post but it seems there has been a review...what do the experts on the Forum say
This brings me on to a 'grouse' that has begun to get at me when going round a show, one is the inappropriate size of the labels compared to the size of the exhibit and secondly, and of more concern. is the amount of miss spelling of plant names that I notice, not just in the lower sections of the show but even in the open section. In addition the quality/legibility of the writing on some labels leads much to be desired, there is no reason from my point of view for labels to be written in long hand that only the writer can decipher when simple neat printing should be so easy.
Dionysia 'Tess' from David Morris (142) winner of much silverware, would for me have looked better with a smaller label given the size of the plant...but still a nice plant   
Two from Geoff Rollinson to finish
Primula renifolia and its notes in class 89
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 21, 2016, 10:01:25 PM
Spelling of Erythronium species  as queried by veteran vet :  this plant has been mis-named for many years, because, I believe of a spelling error that was repeated in various books and so became in common usage.   
 This note is from the Pacific Bulb Society :
 "Erythronium multiscapideum (Kellogg) A.Nelson & P.B.Kennedy (note: spelling of species name corrected from earlier common, but incorrect spelling, Erythronium multiscapoideum , used in many reference books) "

It has never been known as  "E.multiscipideum"  to my knowledge - this must be yet another spelling error on the label.
See also : http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl?25184&expand=1 (http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl?25184&expand=1)

As to the size of labels - I have noticed many show goers straining to read labels so perhaps the bigger labels are a good way to allow  more people to read the plant name more easily?!
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: veteran vet on March 22, 2016, 12:55:27 PM

'As to the size of labels - I have noticed many show goers straining to read labels so perhaps the bigger labels are a good way to allow  more people to read the plant name more easily?!'

Thanks for your thoughts on the labels Maggi but another way of looking at it is that some of the writing/printing on the label is so badly written as to be near unreadable in some cases, I find myself peering at the writing trying to decipher the writing rather than because the label is too small. My other point is that sometimes the label size 'dominates' a small plant or pot when smaller would be in keeping with the exhibit. Can I recommend viewers have a look at the Don Peace labels on his exhibits, this is the standard we should all be trying to achieve

The Erythronium  name spelling issue will no doubt resolve itself in the fullness of time
Title: Re: East Lancs. Group AGS Show 19th March
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
Repeating a pot with a label  that Veteran Vet  states is a goo example - no argument with that!
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