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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: arilnut on March 14, 2016, 12:07:13 AM
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Here is I pumila today.
John B
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Starting for me this year with the dainty Iris suaveolens 'Helvolus Group'
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and Iris lutescens glowing in the morning sunshine
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This is the first flowering from seed bought as Iris lutescens ssp. lutescens. I was fortunate to get both colour forms. However, I've not been able to find any information as to why this has subspecific rank.
Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?
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One that lost its label on the move north. If anyone can provide a name, I would be grateful.
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This is the first flowering from seed bought as Iris lutescens ssp. lutescens. I was fortunate to get both colour forms. However, I've not been able to find any information as to why this has subspecific rank.
The other subspecies is subbiflora from western Spain, Portugal and northern Africa wich is taller, see http://www.flora-on.pt/#/1Iris+subbiflora (http://www.flora-on.pt/#/1Iris+subbiflora) and Flora iberica (http://www.floraiberica.es/floraiberica/texto/pdfs/20_185_01_Iris.pdf).
Iris lutescens have more than 2 colour forms, at least 4 very different forms (white, yellow, violet, blue) and 2-4 more variations, all can be found in the same populations. There are also lot of differences in robustness, some are tall , some are very short : flower on first picture is 9 cm tall, on the second picture, they are almost 30 cm
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Thanks for the reply, Yvain.
With so much natural variation within the species, it emphasises my query as to what is so special to justify the subspecific name 'lutescens'?
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Because subbiflora is an accepted subspecies at least by some botanists (see the plantlist), this need at least an other subspecies to include all the other populations.
subbiflora is sometimes recognized as a true species (see flora-on). Even Flora iberica recognize that there are some differences between western populations (cf. subbiflora) and eastern ones (cf. lutescens). Infraspecific rank for subbiflora is a position between Flora-on and Flora iberica.
This is also true that Iris lutescens is very variable, many subspecies have been described (chamaeiris, olbiensis...) but few have any taxonomic value.
sorry for my english, I hope to be understood but this is not so easy for me to explain...
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This is the first flowering from seed bought as Iris lutescens ssp. lutescens. I was fortunate to get both colour forms. However, I've not been able to find any information as to why this has subspecific rank.
Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?
I'm not sure it has subspecific rank Chris. I can't say that I'm uptodate with Iris taxonomy but Mathew didn't credit it in 1981/9 and the SIGNA species list doesn't credit it either.
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I'm not sure it has subspecific rank Chris. I can't say that I'm uptodate with Iris taxonomy but Mathew didn't credit it in 1981/9 and the SIGNA species list doesn't credit it either.
Thanks David, nice iris though.
EDIT - deleted nonsense.
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variety ? Finally, I don't understand your problem. Is it about the colour ? ssp. lutescens does not refer to the colour. ssp. lutescens can be yellow violet, white... This name is just the autonym, depending of wheter subbiflora is credited as a species or a subspecies.. SANBI does not credit spp. lutescens because they credit I. subbiflora as a species. Flora iberica consider that there is all the intermediate between subbiflora and lutescens and thus, subbiflora is not even a subspecies. Other taxonomist take an intermediate position with one species and 2 subspecies but, one more time, this in not about colour.
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Hi Chris,
looks very much like Iris Bicapitata to me.
Cheers John.
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variety ? Finally, I don't understand your problem. Is it about the colour ? ssp. lutescens does not refer to the colour. ssp. lutescens can be yellow violet, white... This name is just the autonym, depending of wheter subbiflora is credited as a species or a subspecies.. SANBI does not credit spp. lutescens because they credit I. subbiflora as a species. Flora iberica consider that there is all the intermediate between subbiflora and lutescens and thus, subbiflora is not even a subspecies. Other taxonomist take an intermediate position with one species and 2 subspecies but, one more time, this in not about colour.
I was concentrating on the colour but got the jist of it now.
Thanks again. :)
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Hi Chris,
looks very much like Iris Bicapitata to me.
Cheers John.
Hi John
Thanks for that thought.
As I understand it, Iris bicapitata is twin-headed (hence the name) and mine are single. ???
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Has anyone a correct name for this very tiny DB hybrid (American, I'm pretty sure, and quite old) please?
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Iris babadagica
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What super, rich colour this has. A real gem for someone currently suffering from Iris bloom deprivation. :'(
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It's great that here we can switch hemispheres, especially for genera with short flowering seasons.
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You're right Ashley, the Forum is a great extender of seasons for everyone everywhere because someone in another part of the world has in bloom something we haven't seen for months. I have recently joined the huddled masses of Facebook adherents and this morning there's a stunning picture from our Onco friend Han Achilles, of the south eastern American (but photographed in Spain), Iris nelsonii. In recent days there have been wonderful pictures of Mongolian irises and so many more. Also today, the tiny miniature dwarf bearded form called 'Ablaze' which I haven't seen for at least 40 years but remember my mother grew it back, way back, in the day. :) A real delight that one.
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I've just been admiring a lovely photo from the talented Fred Depalle of Iris cycloglossa- but the problem is, in Facebook it become either utterly unfindable, or searchable by a tiny number of people - pictures here can be found and enjoyed by ANYONE, anytime. there is some interesting stuff on Facebook - but sadly it's of little use in adding to the sum of knowledge.
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You too are right Maggi. Even when I find something lovely and go back later or next day, it has vanished into the ether. I have taken to saving special iris pictures in a file but I'm not sure if I should do that, except that if not, I suppose they wouldn't be savable. I don't plan to use them except just to check, sometimes, that what I've grown from seed or bought somewhere is the right thing (or show my equally addicted iris friend).
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It annoys me too, that so many photos are posted with no sign of their names. Some are findable but many are quite absent.
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I reichenbachii
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maybe not the wright place to post a pictures of one of my Iris ?
Please remove if it's wrong, Thomas
Oh, it's called Iris "Gingerbred Man".
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It's in the right place!
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Dwarf Iris "Larrikin" with a Flower
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'Larrikin' is a pretty one Thomas. I like the blue and purple combination.
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Yes Lesley, i love this colours as well. Here is an other one. It's called Orangekern
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This is a screenshot from last night's Chelsea footage on BBC2. We were rather taken with the Iris in the foreground, which was only briefly glimpsed. May be a new variety but can anyone hazard a guess?
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It's hard to tell Darren from the picture here but if it is a dwarf bearded iris as seems likely, we have one here, an American form I think and not recent, called 'Blue Moss.' It's quite like that, with blue or violet blue standards and similar falls but washed with a sort of grey/green mossy-coloured overlay. It's very nice, one of my favourites. They're not in flower now here of course but from memory it does have a sort of yellowish mustard beard too, a bit bumble-bee-like. But if it's at Chelsea, yours is probably a new variety.
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Thank you Lesley :)
Apparently today's footage will concentrate on the displays in the floral marquee so we might get a better look.
Good job too - I was starting to worry about it being the Chelsea Garden Design Show rather than flower show.
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Darren, if you can identify the garden the Iris was in, there are plant lists available for the show gardens online.
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Ooh - didn't know that Maggi. Thanks :)
Picture of their stand on their website suggests it is likely to be Cayeux Iris. Picture is too small but I think I can make out the plant on it.
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Hello Darren,
It looks very much like tall bearded 'Dangerous Mood' (Schreiner 2004) which is listed by Cayeux.
http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/TbAthruE/TbDangerousMood (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/TbAthruE/TbDangerousMood)
Lawrence Ransom
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It does indeed!
Thank you Lawrence :)
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Here are two shots of Saturn, one looking under her tresses.
And the ubiquitous Iris tectorum, which I seem to often receive under another name!
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Check out Jim McKenney's very arty shot on his blog - enlarge the picture to appreciate it .. http://mcwort.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/tall-bearded-irises-painterly-view.html (http://mcwort.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/tall-bearded-irises-painterly-view.html)
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Iris germanica Davy Jones.
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Iris germanica Davy Jones.
Wow, that is "true blue".
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Maggi, here is the same plant from 2012 and the colour is much darker in this pic.
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Still gorgeous, Michael! Good enough to eat- if blue food were not such an odd idea!
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Years ago as kids we were able to an icecream called Blue Lagoon. It tasted awful and my mother complaind she couldn't get the stains from my schoolroom pinny. ;D
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We saw this recently in Scotland ;D I have asked on another thread, but if anyone knows what it might be we'd be most grateful as several of our group were quite taken with it and the owner was unsure.
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Looks like 'Little Blue Eyes' Brian, Maggi gave it a possible ID in the other thread
https://www.shamballasgarden.com.br/10-sementes-iris-little-blue-eyes-p42.html (https://www.shamballasgarden.com.br/10-sementes-iris-little-blue-eyes-p42.html)
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Thanks David and Maggie, it's a lovely little thing. ;D
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I don't think it IS that but may as well be. Yours Brian seems to have a band of lighter yellow around the falls. and the flowers are maybe a little stiffer in stature. :-\
The problem with identifying such plants, especially bearded irises, is that the UK, France, the USA, Australia, NZ and no doubt other places too, all have active breeders and all or most seem to be following similar breeding programmes so that what appears to be the same plant can turn up from a few sources and be registered under different names as a result. I saw a number of dwarf bearded forms in the Czech Republic, all of which I have in my own garden yet none had the same name as mine do.
I have two which yours could be but can't remember their names until I resurrect them from the surrounding growth, which I'll do in the next week or two. 'Little Blue Eyes' is not one of then however. ??? ???
Best way to get a particular form or colour you like is to visit an iris nursery at flowering time and order what appeals. Bearded iris rhizomes are usually sent out soon after bloom stops or maybe any time if they are potted. I try to arrange a selection of dwarf potted plants to offer in flower at the spring shows locally.
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Thanks Lesley, we should have gone straight to Seagate Irises to see what they had when we returned to Norfolk! Anyway off to Ben Potterton's Iris and Peony day so will keep my eyes skinned although I am certain it is too late! It was certainly doing well for Henry and Margaret Taylor and tumbling down the rockery most attractively too.
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Thanks Lesley, we should have gone straight to Seagate Irises to see what they had when we returned to Norfolk! Anyway off to Ben Potterton's Iris and Peony day so will keep my eyes skinned although I am certain it is too late! It was certainly doing well for Henry and Margaret Taylor and tumbling down the rockery most attractively too.
Well no sign of any miniatures (no surprise there) it was a bad idea to go as I have come back with Iris 'Dardanus' and Iris sibirica 'Summer Skies' amongst other things :D
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Oh lovely I bought an iris dardanus last month from Joe Sharman when I went to
Bungay garden street fair, it's a really stunning plant, the veining on it is very beautiful,
I accidentally planted it next to a cestrum cretan purple and they look very good together.
Good to see you today.
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'Dardanus' is a regelio-cyclus hybrid and is a wonderful gem. It was relatively common in NZ many years ago and my mother had several large clumps of it. I'd be surprised if it is here at all nowadays, though would love to be wrong about that. It is one of a quite large series with Greek mythological names, and most with the beautiful "onco" look to them but so much easier to grow. I think most were the work of the van Tubergen nursery in Holland, early in the 20th century probably.
Be very kind to it Brian, especially good drainage and a ripening through summer. (Feel free to tell me to teach my granny.) :)
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'Dardanus' is a regelio-cyclus hybrid and is a wonderful gem....Be very kind to it Brian, especially good drainage and a ripening through summer. (Feel free to tell me to teach my granny.) :)
Not at all Lesley, the first thing I do with any plant, whether I think I know about it or not, is to google cultivation and listen to all my betters ;)
Good to see you too Bernadette, what a pleasant morning it was.
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Iris albertii
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Frazer, where is this photo taken please? Surely not in Yemen?
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Be very kind to it Brian, especially good drainage and a ripening through summer. (Feel free to tell me to teach my granny.) :)
Flowering today, Lesley ;D
Whoops it was flowering horizontally - must have not liked the ipad photo!
Iris 'Dardanus'
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Oh yes Brian, just as I remember it in my mother's garden. You are not disappointed I'm sure. :)
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Oh yes Brian, just as I remember it in my mother's garden. You are not disappointed I'm sure. :)
Indeed not, absolutely delighted, I hope to flower it next year ;)
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An old favourite now, 'Wanganui Gem' a DBI from NZ
cheers
fermi
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An old iris cultivar known locally as "Pioneer White" or "Settler's White", probably a form of Iris albicans,
cheers
fermi
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Nice distinctive shape to that 'Pioneer White', fermi
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Nice distinctive shape to that 'Pioneer White', fermi
Yes, Maggi,
it seems to be like the images of Iris albicans on the web.
Here's the little Iris species grown from Seedex as "Iris species, Turkey" which we think is Iris taochia,
cheers
fermi
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Some DBI:
Jazzmatazz
Rosy Lulu
A "lost label" DBI
cheers
fermi
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I thought it was time people from the South Hemisphere showed their gems now. But here it is, Iris Turcoman ready to flower here now for the second time this year. The picture was taken yesterday. Hope the bud will have enough time to open before frosts
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DBI Aqua Taj;
DBI Cat's Eye;
Arilbred iris Orb;
DBI Buster;
DBI Lasagna;
cheers
fermi
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DBI Zounds;
DBI Smooch;
DBI Larrikin;
DBI White Bow-Tie;
DBI. maybe Stitches
cheers
fermi
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Aril-bred (or is it Aril-med?) Iris 'Omar's Gold' is in flower - the two blooms look different - maybe because one is a couple of days older - or I've mixed up labels - again!
cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi. The first 2 pics are not Omar and I would be worried about virus on all of them.
John B
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Thanks, John,
I was afraid of that!
I wonder what the one in the first 2 pics is?
I'll have to check if there is another label buried somewhere nearby!
cheers
fermi
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Iris swertii from Pat Toolan a few years ago
cheers
fermi