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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Tim Harberd on February 04, 2016, 09:32:42 AM
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About six weeks earlier than last year! A tree peony and a herbaceous peony leafing up already. (This in West Yorkshire)
Tim DH
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Not that far forward yet in Sheffield though our young plants in pots are coming through strongly.
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Noticed Paeonia ostii coming into leaf too this morning (South West Scotland).
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We had practically no winter until today (except 2 nights with -10°C) and it is frightening how far the buds of
Paeonia ostii are grown. This Paeonia is always the first to flower of all my peonies and it would be a pity if
frost would damage it.
The picture of the flowering plant is from last year.
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I had a terrible experience buying peonies from a well known UK peony supplier two weeks back. Postage was £32 for 8 plants that were supposed to have been potted in the autumn. They were ordered on March 15th and they arrived on the next day. At the time I didn't knock them out of their pots to have a look. I started planting this week but where are the roots! The roots of all were about 2 inches 5cm long. It's as if they were kept somewhere cold until I bought them and they started to root quickly. I emailed them, they phoned me, I missed them, I phoned back, person not available ..
Their web site says this which I assumed referred to their autumn sales
"Containerised plants are recently potted field grown plants. They will not have rooted through the pot yet, so the compost may fall away when you plant them. This is the normal way to treat field grown peonies & roses, and nothing to worry about. Just incorporate the compost into the planting hole, gently firm in, and water well."
The photo shows 'Claire de Lune'
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The Mouton peonies are blooming about 10 days now. Here are two seedlings I rather like. Probably from Fen Dan Bai x Hana Dai Jin, but I'm not really sure.
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Hello Jamie - we've missed you, welcome back! Astonishing to see the paeonies in bloom when we have been having so much sleet, hail and snow here in the UK - it will be some time before we see paeony blooms I think - which makes your beauties all the more welcome!
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Hey, Maggie! Thanks for the greetings. Hope to post a bit more this season.
Here are a couple more blooms that opened yesterday.
Godaishu is a classic japanese hybrid distinguished by its white sheath and gleaming white tepals. Very similar to Hakuo-Jishi, which has slightly smaller flowers and a bit of gloss to the foliage. otherwise hard to tell apart.
The second pink blossom was given to me unidentified. Probably japanese origin.
The third is a pale seedling with a fine picotee on the floral segments. Curious, in any case.
j.
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A few more have bloomed.
The first is Dutchess of Kent, with enormous, ruffled blossoms. Ungfortunately it must be staked, due to the weight of the blooms.
Then two shots of Hana Dai Jin, one with my hand to give you a perspective of flower size.
Another white seedling, with blunt floral segments, giving it a more cupped form.
The last may be misidentified as Shimane Chojuraki, as i have found two very different version of this in the internet. A beauty under any name.
When one comes to this part of the garden it smells rather intense. Either you like it...or you don't.
Jamie
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Lovely stuff Jamie and nice to see you back.
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Peony time is most wonderful.
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David, greetings! It's nice to slip back into the fold. And, Gabriela, I agree. The peonies simply start the Spring-Summer flowers with a big splash.
Here are Hakuo-Jishi, a japanese white, plus another shot of the pale pink seedling, which produces more intense flowers from the side shoots, largely due to the increased heat as these develope.
P. lutea (ludlowii) has just started and the various P. delavayii and P. potannini are right behind.
J.
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Almost forgot. The violet Rockii hybrid is blooming. Earlier than the actual type by about 2 weeks. The foliage is a wonderful lime green.
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Hi Jamie, nice to read you again ;) Beautiful paeonies !
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Morning, Nicole! I trust all is well with you. Did you bloom any of the peony seed?
Attached are what happens to the Duchess of Kent under heat stress!
Then a P. rockii seedling blooming for the very first time.
And the ubiquitous High Noon, one of the best yellow.
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Not yet Jamie, but I have some strong plants 7 years old from seeds and I hope to get flowers next spring... :)
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Paeonia suffruticosa 'Duchess of Kent'.
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Ralph, a beauty. Mine gets top-heavy and must be supported, the blooms are so weighty.
Attached a shot of Ariadne, a late-blooming Daphnis creation, plus one of the parents P. lutea Ludlowii.
The third is a shot of one of my P. delawayi sdls, obvious hybrids. Seed came from the Cologne Flora botanical garden. Other parent could be lutea or potannini.
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Another top-heavy one, Paeonia 'Shimano-Fuji'.
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Paeonia mlokosewitschii and tree paeonie Paeonia rockii "Bing Shan Xue Lian"
Paeonia officinalis
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Flowering today.
Paeonia emodi
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The first paeonies to flower here are P.obovata and P.mairei. P.mairei is flowering now for the first time, it was sown in 2011.
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Souvenir de Maxime Cornu is legend amongst the tree peonies. The first in a series of large yellows, this massive blossom hangs its head in a kind of suplicant humility, almost shaming itself for its massive size and fascinating beauty, luring the passerby to reach out and raise its intricate face. The reward is an indescribable beauty coupled with a perfume of sublime complexity. This shrub is about 8 years old and 150cm high. The array of blossoms hang like forbidden fruits and I love sitting on the steps and contemplating this wonderful shrub.
I'm sure we have all heard the story that the name is a left-hande compliment to Mons. Cornu, who proclaimed that P. lutea, one of the parents, had little worth for the gardener!
The next three shots are grafting seedlings from tree peonies. Not large and impressive, but with a charm we no longer find in this genus (other than the species). I particularly like the clustered one, whose blossoms are a mere 8-10cm max. A delight for the flower arranger.
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In my garden, first blooming species paeoina
Paeonia mlokosewitschii [attachimg=1]
Paeonia x litvinskajae (Paeonia wittmanniana х Paeonia caucasica)
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Paeonia x litvinskajae (Paeonia wittmanniana х Paeonia caucasica)
This looks very nice :) and is new to me. Is it natural hybrid or man-made cross?
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The yellow species is a superb colour and form.
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From seed, Paeonia arietina
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Billy Carruthers and Binny Plants have won a Silver-Gilt Medal at Chelsea for their exhibit of paeonies and other perennials.
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All of them are exquisite!
Souvenir de Maxime Cornu is legend amongst the tree peonies. The first in a series of large yellows, this massive blossom hangs its head in a kind of suplicant humility, almost shaming itself for its massive size and fascinating beauty, luring the passerby to reach out and raise its intricate face...
I saw it once and did exactly what you so well described in words :) There was no label so I had no idea about its name.
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David, wonderful colour. One of the few species i do not have at the moment. Hmmm, what is it, 6 years from seed?
Gabriela, glad you enjoyed the fotos. Souv. Max. Cornu will always remain a favourite, A truly one of a kind, although I have been told Dou Lu, the green peony, has a similar habit, but never as tall.
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David, wonderful colour. One of the few species i do not have at the moment. Hmmm, what is it, 6 years from seed?....................
Thanks Jamie, it was sown 2007/8 and probably handled quite badly until it was released into the garden about 4 years ago. Since then it has done rather well.
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Flowering today.
Paeonia emodi
Arnold- Beautiful to see it. I love the unique foliage on Paeonia emodi. How are you growing it? I have a few seedlings now, and would like to move one out in the landscape, but my concern is about winter hardiness. The web seems inconclusive on the amount of cold emodi can handle. Other tree peonies are doing very well here (Renkaku, ostii 'Phoenix White', High Noon, rockii, suffruticosa alba), so perhaps I should just take a chance with it.
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All from seed.
What is the correct name of this yellow tree peony? Paeonia delavayi?
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And this red one, also P. delavayi?
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Paeonia 'rockii'. Not as many flowers as last year.
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Also from seed.
Probably a hybrid. Nice big flowers though.
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Paeonia obovata? The leaver are not quite right though. 10 big flowers this year.
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Paeonia wendelboi?. Attractive for all kind of insects.
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Hoy,
your yellow look to be P. lutea, maybe var. ludlowii. How tall is it? Ludlowii can reach 3 meters. The flowers are larger than the type.
The second red one looks to be a hybrid of P. delavayi, as there is some yellow cast. Probably with P. potanini trollioides. That said, there are reportedly yellow delavayi. P. delavyi and P. potanini are easy to distinguish as the former is shorter and not stoloniferous. P. potanini and its hybrids tend to make loose clumps. Their leaves are somewhat finer segmented, but, as pure plants are rare in cultivation, I find the point moot.
hope this helps a bit,
j.
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Thanks Jamie :)
The yellow one is 3m tall! The reds are hybrids, yes. I once grew a peony that should be delavayi but it died and left a lot of seedlings in different shades of red. (Crosses with the yellow one.) The clumps are all tight in my view.
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Paeonia Lactiflora 'Shirley Temple'
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From seed, Paeonia arietina
Very nice. :) I have now second year seedlings so maybe in a few years I will have flowers. :)
I love the unique foliage on Paeonia emodi. How are you growing it? I have a few seedlings now, and would like to move one out in the landscape, but my concern is about winter hardiness. The web seems inconclusive on the amount of cold emodi can handle.
I have grown P.emodi from seeds, but for some reason it has never yet flowered although it is already at least six years old. So it is hardy here, and I have a friend who has it also flowering in Finland.
Paeonia obovata? The leaver are not quite right though. 10 big flowers this year.
How do you mean the leaves are not right? My P.obovata ssp willmottiae has different kind of leaves than P.obovata ssp obovata.
Very beautiful P.wendelboi? What kind of place do you grow it? In the rock garden?
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Some of my peonies from last week.
P.anomala, a big clump, about 1 meter tall but doesn't need any support. It holds its flowers in very typical way. This plant is one generation from will collected P.anomala, so it should be right.
I have several seed grown P.veitchii, and they flower the same time here as P.anomala, and have hairy carpels when P.anomala has glabrous carpels.
In the third picture there are P.veitchii and on the left a Finnish P.officinalis cultivar 'Kesähamonen' (Little summer dress)
Fourth picture seeds grown P.daurica sp (the white bits are fallen apple tree flower petals)
Fifth picture Paeonia x hybrida, which a natural cross between P.anomala and P.tenuifolia. It is a tall plant, I meter high with quite big flowers.
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Beautiful peonies from all! :)
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I agree. Here's my Paeonia mlokosewitschii, image taken last weekend.
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How do you mean the leaves are not right? My P.obovata ssp willmottiae has different kind of leaves than P.obovata ssp obovata.
Very beautiful P.wendelboi? What kind of place do you grow it? In the rock garden?
I'll take a picture of the leaves tomorrow ;)
I am growing P. wendelboi(?) in a well drained place with sandy and rocky soil. It seems to like the spot and increase every year. (I have to remove large quantities of Circaea lutetiana which try to invade.)
You have quite some peonies yourself, Leena ;)
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I agree. Here's my Paeonia mlokosewitschii, image taken last weekend.
Impessive, Dave! My plant do not flower this year :-\
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I agree. Here's my Paeonia mlokosewitschii, image taken last weekend.
Fantastic Dave. How many years till my 3 years old plant will look like yours? :)
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Thanks, I think my plant is about 9 years old.
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I am growing P. wendelboi(?) in a well drained place with sandy and rocky soil. It seems to like the spot and increase every year.
Thanks Trond. :)
Dave, how beautiful and big P.mlokosewitchii. :)
Mine grows in woodland bed, and I suspect it would flower better if it got more sun. It is not always easy to find an ideal place for plants. :)
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Leena,
Here are the P. obovata leaves - two different plants. The second is a bit smaller in stature but the pedicel is longer.
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1) Paeonia caucasica (=P. daurica subsp. coriifolia) ex cult.
2) idem: leaf
3) Paeonia daurica subsp. daurica, from seeds collected Crimea.
4) Paeonia daurica subsp. wittmanniana, from seed collected Caucasus
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The bumblebees are always interested in the peonies. I get literary hundred of seedlings all over in the garden (the slugs don't like them). Almost all are removed but not these.
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Leena,Here are the P. obovata leaves - two different plants. The second is a bit smaller in stature but the pedicel is longer.
I agree, they look like different plants, but the first one is the same that I have as P.obovata ssp willmottiae, which I believe is true to name.
Could your second one be P.obovata ssp obovata alba?
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1) Paeonia caucasica (=P. daurica subsp. coriifolia) ex cult.
2) idem: leaf
3) Paeonia daurica subsp. daurica, from seeds collected Crimea.
4) Paeonia daurica subsp. wittmanniana, from seed collected Caucasus
Very interesting to see these! Especially these P.daurica subspecies are very confusing to me, there are many lumped in together as one name, and they also seem to be quite variable.
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Paeonia 'Early Windflower'. (or possibly 'Late Windflower' - I've lost the label), a bit past its best. It is very slow - I've had it for years and this is the first time it has really produced a good display.
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Paeonia lactiflora ‘Bowl of Beauty’ About 30 buds still to open.
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Here are couple seed grown P.daurica ssp mlokosewitchii.
In the first picture the other plant is quite pale and it has some pinkish inside, but they are both good plants.
The plant in the second picture flowered now for the first time with two flowers, and it is better yellow.
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Nice plants, folks :)
I "found" this plant under a shrub in the garden. It is a seedling I planted once but forgot. Now it has two very strong stems with huge leaves. The flowers are pale yellow, not unlike mlokosewitchii.
Any idea what it can be?
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Trond,
could be an obovata, as the leaves are glossy, not glaucous and matt, which is typical for the daurica group.
j.
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should be Paeonia lactiflora.
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Trond,
could be an obovata, as the leaves are glossy, not glaucous and matt, which is typical for the daurica group.
j.
Thanks Jamie. I am still not sure - maybe a hybrid. It is too many leaflets and the leaflets are really big - almost as big as the palm of my hand. The flower looks small but it is about 14cm or more across. Think I have to remove more of the shrubs around it to give it more light and space ;)
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Paeonia rockii -This year the blooms are massive.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7366/27221708820_b2ab01f8e1_o.jpg)
Paeonia ludlowii
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7405/27221709410_2dd8ee4bda_o.jpg)
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Here is a picture of my late P.obovata. It is second generation plant from wild collection in Mt Changbai, China, and looks and behaves just like the mother plant. It comes up late, at the same time when the normal P.obovata is already flowering, and it flowers now. Flowers are small and very cup shaped and it holds it's leaves in very typical manner upwards. Three years ago there was discussion about this peony here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10274.msg278716#msg278716 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10274.msg278716#msg278716)
I can see from the pictures that it has grown well since 2013. :) I grow it in a woodland bed in half shade.
This is how it looked last week.
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Isn't is great to be able to refer back to previous years' posts in the Forum? The growth on this paeony is very good indeed - it's a beautiful plant, Leena.
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Thanks Maggi.
I thought this earlier discussion about my plant was last year or year before, but it was easy to find with search - it was even older :). This is such a good forum, it is too bad so few people write here any more. :( I don't have so much time to write in the summer, but I have taken pictures to post in the long Finnish winter. :)
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Leena,
very beautiful! Do the flowers open when the sun comes out? Or are they always globular? An interesting attribute, which one would expect to serve a purpose. Maybe it is very rainy during the wild bloom season (just like what we are experiencing!!!) and this protects the pollen. Beetles could be the pollinators, rather than bees.
I hope you can set seed for a SeedEx donation.
Jamie
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Thanks Jamie. :) The flowers open a little more when they are in full sun, but they remain globular. They are always pollinated well by insects (I haven't looked which ones) and produce lot of seeds. I'm not sure of it's ploidy, perhaps diploid like normal P.obovata, no other species flowers here at the same time, but hybrids flower now and also the earliest lactifloras, not close to his P.obovata though. I have sent it's seeds to the seed exchange, but they have mixed them with normal P.obovata seeds. If you want, I can send you seeds from it when they ripen in the autumn (late September, early October). ;)
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Leena, thanks for the infos. The ploidy would be interesting to know. I've done counts on iris species, but never bothered on wild Paeonia, as most are 20 chr. It would be interesting to know, as you do know the provenence. I would certainly be interested in a few seed! If you like, I have lots of seed from various P. rockii hybrids and clones. Most of my herbacious peonia are still immature.
cheers and we'll stay in touch. After all, we are virtually neighbours!
Jamie
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I will let you know when the seeds are ready. :)
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Should seed from P. arietina be crimson red please, or is this perhaps non-fertile seed?
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Sorry, David - yes - it is unfertilised paeony seed which is red.
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Sorry, David - yes - it is unfertilised paeony seed which is red.
Cheers Maggi, thought that might be the case.
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Hi David ,
here is a older pic of a peony fruit (P.clusii )
You can well see there the black round seeds ...and the red "false seeds"
Best wishes
Hans
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Thanks Hans, just all red seed in my arietina seed.
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David ,
it is not so easy to get fertil seeds of Peonies ...special in a garden ( where many other peonies grow )
Anyway -my compliment that you have grown my P.arietina seeds from a seed grain to a flowering plant :D
Hans 8)
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This Paeonia kesrouanensis came to us as P. mascula russi - it was a seedling of a seedling from a plant in Otto's garden.
Marcus Harvey was told (?by Hans J?) that it was not P.m.r. and the closest that he could work out to be is Paeonia kesrouanensis.
cheers
fermi
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Fermi
I have no Problem with the ID as P.russoi
P.kesrouanensis is really different ...it has naked carpells
Hans
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Thanks, Hans,
I'll let Marcus and Otto know,
cheers
fermi