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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: udo on January 24, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
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a good start in the new year,
Fritillaria karelinii from middle asia, right Colchicum kesselringii x luteum
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Wow, Dirk,
that's a lot of flower on a short stem!
Do they elongate as they mature?
cheers
fermi
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Yes Fermi, during the next days the stem should stand straight.
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Fritillaria ariana -a form from Afghanistan.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1471/24875438336_036d9b7a43_o_d.jpg)
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In the greenhouse today -
Fritillaria pinardii
Fritllaria crassifolia
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In the greenhouse today -
Fritillaria pinardii
Fritllaria crassifolia
Nice result Arthur. I'm still waiting.
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From the Fritillaria Icones site : Fritillaria name list updated, version 5.6 #taxonomy
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/pub_names_az.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/pub_names_az.html)
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Today in the Alpine House:
Fritillaria sewerzowii
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From the Fritillaria Icones site : Fritillaria name list updated, version 5.6 #taxonomy
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/pub_names_az.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/names/pub_names_az.html)
....and an update on descriptions with super montages of parts etc.... http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/description.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/description.html)
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Some of the frits are starting to move here.
Fritillaria serpenticola
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1621/25081299149_6b331234db_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria alburyana LST 247
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1715/25355886201_d276403e49_o_d.jpg)
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That picture of Fritillaria serpenticola is just perfect! I love it!
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Fritillaria gibbosa from Iran
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Some rhinopetalum Frits now in flower here:
Fritillaria ariana -Two forms from Afghanistan
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1686/25330403292_a70005b9c5_o_d.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1648/25422662506_d25b5fa68a_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1549/25448890735_bdf6cbfc40_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii -An almost white form.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1489/25422663426_aaccc4d80f_o_d.jpg)
I bought this as Fritillaria karelinii but I think it is a pale pink form of Fritillaria stenanthera
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1538/24822180323_55eb1ccc67_o_d.jpg)
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It is a great joy to see this pictures!
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A little reminder of the superb Fritillaria Icones site of Laurence Hill - new pages are being added all the time -
http://www.fritillariaicones.com (http://www.fritillariaicones.com)
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In my bulb house yesterday
Fritillaria carica
Frit. crassifolia
Fritillaria sororum
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Arthur, exciting to see these frits starting to flower now. It's been cold here for the past fortnight but here are some in flower today.
Fritillaria aff. crassifolia, Iran (seeds from Norman Stevens 2005)
Fritillaria latifolia
Fritillaria koidzumiana
Fritillaria drenovskyi Large (SRGC seeds 2006)
Fritillaria carica (F. saldensis) JJA 0.492.402 (2002 seeds)
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Nice to see the Frits starting to flower. Thanks for showing.
I particularly like Arthur's F. carica.
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Cracking Frits Cyril & Arthur!!!
Fritillaria pinardii -A form from Ilgaz Dag, Turkey.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1579/25707594106_84031a0f6a_o.jpg)
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Lovely specimen and image, Steve.
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Fritillaria aurea BATM-371. A couple of other forms have flowered and gone over during the recent poor weather, so this one will be self-pollinated.
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I hope everyone is taking note of the toothed edges to the floral segments in the Fritillaria koidzumiana shown in reply 16 by Cyril, above? Fascinating flowers!
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Fritillaria armena
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Lovely frits, all :D
This is my poor Fritillaria aff. karelinii, JJA497.680. I'm growing this frit outdoors with other winter growing bulbs, in pots, regular watering and feeding with slow release fertiliser (N:P:K=5:10:15). What did I wrong with this frit? :(
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Tatsuo, abortion of flower buds may be caused by various factors, e.g. too little or too much moisture at the wrong time, sudden change in temperature, disturbance whilst in growth, etc. or maybe the bulb is just not mature enough. Your plant looks healthy and is growing well, building up reserves for flowering well next year hopefully. I tend to keep the rhinopetalum frits fairly dry during dormancy and repot later than most bulbs.
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Thank you, Cyril :) Your practical advice is very helpful. I restarted watering them mid September and last autumn was unusually warm (nearly hot). I'll restart watering this frit at the beginning of October next season.
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F. meleagris, snakes head, in the front "lawn" several weeks earlier than usual img. 1010089.
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Hope to see photos of the Fritillaria meeting, Arthur must had, i guess, a busy day.
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Frit. Group meeting is tomorrow at Wisley, Yann.
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Some Frits. from today's SRGC show at Kincardine - pix from Alan Gardner
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F. aurea
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F. gibbosa
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F. pudica 'Richard Britten'
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I thought we were the 20th today... :o
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I thought we were the 20th today... :o
Ohh! Someone stole a day from you!
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Fritillaria aff poluninii Iran (first 2 pics)
Fritillaria aurea x pinardii
Fritillaria gibbosa (same clone)
Fritillaria kurdica x aurea? (own seeds from F. kurdica Turkish Glow)
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Wow!!!
Stunning frits!
I have a few Frits in flower here though none come close to Cyril's gibbosa.
Most are labelled as Fritillaria karelinii but some look very similar to Fritillaria gibbosa -What is the difference?
Fritillaria gibbosa-??
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1602/25930383926_d115f29fed_o.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii-??
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1539/25930383426_22a3c597e9_o.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii-??
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1498/25930384376_4a7e8bb19c_o.jpg)
Fritillaria bucharica-?? This one came as "Fritillaria aff. karelinii white
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1498/25861325141_5b7ebfa5ca_o.jpg)
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Steve, I am no frit expert but my understanding is that the flowers of F. gibbosa are flattish whereas they are more cup shaped or bell shaped in the other rhinopetalum species. The nectaries at the base of each petal which show as humps on the outside are equal or unequal depending on species. In F. gibbosa the uppermost hump is more pronounced. Tessellation on the flowers and the shape of the capsules (winged or smooth) also differentiates the species but in the case of hybrids, these are not helpful features.
The Fritillaria aff. karelinii white may well be F. bucharica as there is some green on the humps but it is a most attractive form. As far as I am aware there is no green in the other species, except perhaps for the white form of F. stenanthera (see picture). If it is F. bucharica it should be easier to grow.
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Many thanks Cyril!!!
I will check the floral details as you describe.
I had read that the seed capsules are an important defining feature perhaps making it easier for seed-collectors -but only relevant to me if I can get my plants to set seed. ::)
A few more frits in flower here:
Fritillaria carica
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1577/25655750550_9169cc256b_o.jpg)
Fritillaria crassifolia hakkariensis
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1498/25680261530_93163ddac6_o.jpg)
Fritillaria obliqua
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1494/25323636274_87b1ca6c11_o.jpg)
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First time I've grown a crown imperial. Bought this one from John Amand in October 2014. It flowered last year and I hope it is going to flower this year. I found 2 lily beetles today less than 2 metres away so will have to watch it closely.
Fritillaria imperialis 'Sunset'
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Fritillaria erhartii from Vickery seed sown 2009. Not a great photo but light level not good here in North Wales.
F. minima also flowered for the first time for me but even harder to get acceptable pic.
Erle in Anglesey
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I would be very grateful for any advice on the names of the following Frits.
The first is possibly a form of Frit. pinardii. ???
The second is possibly Frit. ehrhartii but it looks different from that posted by Menai.
The third may possibly be Frit. rixii or euboecia. ???
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1562/25885661981_9f39d6c83e_o_d.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1565/25327610493_ab1161e19c_o_d.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1654/25930430356_ef71a9ba2f_o_d.jpg)
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Steve the third one is rixii.
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Steve the third one is rixii.
Cheers Yann!
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Right now, the garden:
1) Fritillaria raddeana
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In the greenhouse :
2) Fritillaria uva vulpis
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Your F. raddeana is earlier than here, Fred.
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My F. raddeana is also in flower in the garden.
Here are a few in flower today:
Fritillaria acmopetala wendelboi 'Zwanenburg'.jpg
Fritillaria collina, seeds Pilous 2007.jpg
Fritillaria crassifolia hakkarensis SRGC seeds 2007.jpg
Fritillaria euboeica.jpg
Fritillary pinaridii, a yellow form from AGS wild collected seeds 2000.jpg
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Very nice, Cyril, thanks for sharing.
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Yes you all have early blooming, mine are just spreading in the coldframe.
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Fritillaria kotschyana
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1501/25972820262_40fb4e3fd4_o.jpg)
Fritillaria crassifolia crassifolia
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1526/25999025521_91898463fa_o.jpg)
Fritillaria shikokiana -A delicate and rather underwhelming wee thing.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1678/26065167425_6ee26ff717_o.jpg)
Fritillaria gibbosa -A plant purchased from Janis Ruksans.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1560/25998777311_74ef5ba24b_o.jpg)
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Fritillaria imperialis 'Sunset' - flower buds showing
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The wind is too strong today, it is a disaster. The Fritillaria raddeana broke and no longer holds that not one rod flap. I straightened and tied in Hoping that the stem will feed the bulb so that it survives.
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i had this as well. Is a broken steam always losing bulb? Thank you all Prof's for your answer, Thomas
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Even if a stem is broken off at ground level, a new bulb will form if no rot gets into the wound. It will be smaller than usual, because of not having the leaves to feed the new bulb - but all is not lost.
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It is reassuring, thank you Maggi :D
I will nevertheless attempt to obtain seeds with another plant.
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thank you very much Maggi !
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Fritillaria affinis, modest but nice.
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Fritillaria meleagris in the glass house
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Fritillaria tubiformis
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1597/26039172056_3aaab43c5a_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria latifolia
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1695/25998776491_7e86482cb7_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria aff. karelinii
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1616/25462520033_4971f593f2_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria gibbosa -a rather pale form.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1560/25998777311_74ef5ba24b_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria yuminensis
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1599/26039172826_0b66789cf3_o_d.jpg)
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Has been living outdoors in the same spot for 25 years.
Fritillaria imperialis
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The Fritillaria raddeana seems to go on living after I attached to her guardian. We will see how it looks but to go for now.
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Cfred, would your F. meleagris be better in the garden? Mine are doing well and there is a small wild population near here.
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In the garden, they go very well. However I had sown seeds in pots. I placed a few bulbs in the pot in the seeds, just to see the flowers and young shoots. There is however no seedlings that germinated.
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F. meleagris
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Fritillaria meleagris is surley one of those plants that everyone should try to grow? They are pretty forgiving, growing in all sorts of situations - for instance, even in the dry, rock solid driveway of our house. Can't ask for more from a plant that has such wonderful colours and markings, can you?
Yours are super, Philip. 8)
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I think originally a bag of dry bulbs from Woolworths.
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I think originally a bag of dry bulbs from Woolworths.
In which case a truly worthwhile investment!
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I'm as bad as any of us for wanting to grow the most obscure frits but, to be honest, I think meleagris is one of the most attractive species.
This is fritillaria atropurpurea from frit group seed. The seed was bought from Northwest Native Seed by the frit group and seems to be correct. It has taken many years to flower due to my poor culture. I'm cross pollinating the two clones.
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This was bought at great expense from a certain Welsh bulb dealer as yuminensis. This is the first flowering and it seems to have mutated into Fritillaria walujewii.....
Not complaining as this was also on my wants list. But I still don't have yuminensis.
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Hi Darren,
Could this be Fritillaria tortifolia?
Frit. tortifolia seems to be the default chinese Frit.
In the past I have bought hupehensis, lixianensis, walujewii, ferganensis and albiflora all from the same source. Every one has turned out to be tortifolia -which I now have an extensive collection of! ;)
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I agree with Stever that that is F. tortifolia, Darren - it has the same lovely tendril tips as walejewii. Hard to see how it could be confused as yuminensis though!
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Thanks both :)
The flowers are remarkably big (larger than meleagris) and the stem only 15cm so it is a very attractive plant and I'm quite happy with it.
Ironically I also ordered tortifolia at the same time, from someone else, but that seems to have died!
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Fritillaria reuteri
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Here is a small frit that I obviously planted out from a seed pot. Just as obviously, I've lost the label! :(
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Might be a young affinis, Claire.
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Hi, Maggi,
Affinis was my first thought, but the leaves are wider than my other affinis and lie parallel to the ground. Whatever it is, I'm happy it survived the winter. :) In my climate, beggars can't be choosers.
It is dwarfed by a F. meleagris that seeded itself into the garden.
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Here is Fritillaria tubiformis ssp. moggridgei - originally from the Maritime Alps, Italy.
Gerd
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This is a plant I received from a Polish friend.
A Fritillaria michailovskyi x crassifolia kurdica
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Fritillaria pallidiflora
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These are two Frits that came up first time this year. Both are grown from seed and neither of them still have labels. Any idea what they might be?
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Chris, I'd suggest amana and michailovskyi.
In any case they look very happy in your garden 8)
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In the greenhouse today Fritillaria bythinica.
I obtained the bulbs, in the pot with several flowers, at the 2014 Discussion Weekend.
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Thanks Ashley, I'll put labels on them. Both grown from seed by a friend and given to me to grow on in the garden.
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I have bought Fritillaria acmopetala ssp. wendelboi two years ago, due to a slug attack it didn't flower last year. This year it did, and it turned out to be F. uva-vulpis. How dissappointing. Now Fritillaria elwesii is flowering. I'd say its acmopetala. Is that true?
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Also I wanted to share some of the Fritillarias I saw last week in south france. F. montana (syn. orientalis, tenella, caussolensis)
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and Fritillaria involucrata.
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First flowering of Fritillaria alburiana grown outside from seed. It took it 6 years to flower. And a few promising shoots for the future
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I have added some photos here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13808.msg356727#msg356727) from a population of Fritillaria lusitanica that I found in Spain last month.
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A 1 foot tall brick red fritillary grown from SRGC SX 2008 #1161 seed offered as F. messanensis.
is this identified correctly?
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Fritillaria pontica from SRGC 2008 seed
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Looks like F. messanensis to me, Rimmer. Nice pale F. pontica, too.
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Thanks Maggie
Having a difficult time inserting photos upright no matter how many times i rotate them.
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They're showing the right way up,here, Rimmer.
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Here is a frit I may have posted here before, and if so I've lost the label. Hope someone will recognise what it is for me. First close up of flower second the whole flowering stem and third the foliage
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Nice Frit Chris!
It looks like Frit. affinis var. tristulis.
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That was fast, must be some sort of record, just two minutes to get a result! Wow! Thanks so much Steve. This time I'll put a big label in so I know. It's improved enormously in size since last year and seems to have two tiers of flowers. I'm well pleased with it!
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So, now here are two more. One of them has a label of F. elwesii but not sure which is which, and also whether they are both the same. They look different outdoors but they may just be variations.
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Rimmer's messanensisis a lot paler than mine which came from Evolution seed sown 2012. Is this within the range of natural variation? I prefer his, rats!
Erle in Anglesey
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I do enjoy Frits and, I do agree that F. meleagris is one of the best. Generally, they are quite unheard-of here in southern Africa at least, to the non-specialist gardener. For many years now I have tried to germinate seed and finally have one seedling (the only one!) of F. meleagris on the point of flowering - what anticipation! :)
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I didn't like them either, Rogan, until recently. I think it was seeing them en masse and in such profusion on the stand from the Edinburgh Botanic Garden at our shows, a chance to examine them at close range, that I saw their beauty. But I am partial to green and brown flowers so I guess it was inevitable...
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They must be both Fritillaria acmopetala, Chris
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Thanks Oleg....
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Fritillaria hispanica
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1522/26151545033_c470f02de1_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria liliacea
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1564/26151546533_e76578cef5_o_d.jpg)
Fritillaria purdyi
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1671/26149326744_0699d20965_o_d.jpg)
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Time for fritillaria
1. Fritillaria tubiformis moggritgei
2. One of Fritillaria montana complex
3. Fritillaria caucasica 2 in 1
4. Fritillaria sewerzowii
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Fritillaria pyrenaica var. lutea -a pot-grown plant against the background of my weed-infested garden!
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7143/26260900513_7345d61640_o.jpg)
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Super photo, Steve
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Fritillaria meleagris
Fritillaria pallidiflora - I think it looks good against the Spiraea 'Goldflame'
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Cannot stop admiring your pictures, Steve. Marvelous.
Beautiful, Roma
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1. Fritillaria olivieri
2. Fritillaria reuteri
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No question who we are.......
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the last this season - Fritillaria involucrata
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Fritillaria macedonica
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Oleg all your Frits are grown without any protection during the winter?
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Fritillaria Macedonia
Very nice Tony; what species do you think it is? (... and will you be showing more of the primula? ;) ;D)
I was also fascinated by your Crocus thread (here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14454.msg359640#msg359640)) with such variability in scardicus and cvijicii as well as habitat photos.
Obviously you had a good trip.
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Ashley my apologies the auto correct changed my spelling and I had not noticed. I do not know how to turn it off. You will note I have managed to change it. That is now the species name that is shown.
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Thanks Tony. Yes 'autocorrect' (& predictive text) can be a pain as default settings.
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Oleg all your Frits are grown without any protection during the winter?
No protection at all in winter, Yann, just snow coverage. All of them are in the open garden since no potted plants will survive frost in an alpine house, I recon. But I can't grow Japanese and Californian species (too cold for them). And I have to take care of some fritillaries in summer as sometimes summers are too wet for them here.
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Latest news from Fritillaria Icones site :
The Fritillaria Icones project now has updated Fritillaria seed images, now 91 taxa included in the PDF :
http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/seeds.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/seeds.html)
Chemotaxonomic paper Chinese Fritillaria -
Identification of Fritillariae bulbus from adulterants using ITS2 regions
- abstract http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/news/news_2016/Xiang_et_al_2016.html (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/info/news/news_2016/Xiang_et_al_2016.html)
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A 1 foot tall brick red fritillary grown from SRGC SX 2008 #1161 seed offered as F. messanensis.
is this identified correctly?
It looks like Frit. messanensis from Southern Croatia and Montenegro. The Greek plants don't Show this uniform colour.