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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Neil on January 08, 2016, 10:07:35 PM
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Anacamptis morio subsp. longicornu this used to be pure white but there is pink tinge is that is getting stronger each year. I don't think you can see it in the photo though.
added picture of flower sorry about quality had to use my phone
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I see no pink! But then I wouldn't if it was really bright, which might be one advantage to colour-blindness.
Nice plant, and like so much else, really early.
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I will have to take a close up of a flower tomorrow
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Corybas incurvus for the first time in flower over here, with thanks to a very generous forum-member.
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Lovely!
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Corybas incurvus for the first time in flower over here, with thanks to a very generous forum-member.
These tiny plants have a BIG cute factor!
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Added photo to original post http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13912.msg347837#msg347837 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13912.msg347837#msg347837)
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Easy to see the pinkness now.
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Speak for yourself ;D
This is why I like white, yellow and blue flowers.
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Mr C2,
Would I be OK trying some new terrestrials this year? I have started moving forward with Cyps and Dacts in 'cat litter' so should I attempt some Orchis in the same media?
They seem to like full Sun so should I create a 'sand plunge?
I'm looking at getting Orchis militaris and apifera once they become dormant.
Am I getting a little too ambitious?
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Stenorrhynchos speciosum
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/IMG_0007_zpsuo85wvry.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/2111aldo/media/IMG_0007_zpsuo85wvry.jpg.html)
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Stenorrhynchos speciosum
Great colour - and trying to look like a Serapia at this stage of its development!
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Now that is spectacular. Information on how you grow it please.
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Mr C2,
Would I be OK trying some new terrestrials this year? I have started moving forward with Cyps and Dacts in 'cat litter' so should I attempt some Orchis in the same media?
They seem to like full Sun so should I create a 'sand plunge?
I'm looking at getting Orchis militaris and apifera once they become dormant.
Am I getting a little too ambitious?
I am sure others will chip in on this one, (I hope) but as you asked me then here goes. My view is "Go for it!" There are so few people growing these plants that it is all one big experiment and I think you have to accept that a few failures are inevitable, but they are fascinating.
I cannot comment on the cat litter angle as I have never used it. OK for Cyps, doesn't feel" right for Dacts but if it works for you that is all that matters. A sand plunge is a handy thing to have, but if you are talking about an outside one then once again outside my experience. Mine is in the greenhouse and at the moment is packed with wintergreens wondering if winter is finally going to start.
What I can say is that the two species mentioned are not the easiest. Because Ophrys apifera is a late flowerer it can be upset by hot dry springs when the other Ophrys have already finished, and Orchis militaris has found its way onto my banned list due to a couple of losses, but I know others grow it well (Are you reading Steve Garvie?)
Just be careful where you buy them from. Some very dubious plants surfaced last summer, and some very silly prices were being paid, (£50+ for an apifera on eBay)
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Beautiful plant Aldo!
Please can you show the leaves?
There is much confusion around Stenorrhynchos - do you know from which country your plant originally Comes from
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I grow my dactylorhiza outside in a shady sand plunge. They are potted in John Innes and extra grit. I would not use cat litter it is too free draining.They need lots of water when growing.
As to ophrys and orchis I use the same mixture but have them in a frost free sand plunge in the greenhouse.
I have only used cat litter for cyps and I have proved useless at growing them so cannot give any advice.
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I gwow my Dacts in 2 parts peat, 1 part coarse perlite, in an outside sand plunge, which is kept wet all year round, in light shade. Except for D. fuschii which is 1 part John Innes, 1 part coarse perlite. Dact sambuncina I gorw in 6 parts perlite, 2 parts coarse sand, 1 part composted bark and Dact romano which is 5 parts perlite 2 parts coarse sand and 2 parts composted bark, both these are grown under glass frost free.
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For almost one month i can admire Ophrys tenthredinifera.
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These tiny plants have a BIG cute factor!
Which is more than can be said for the donor!
Delighted the Corybas incurvus is flowering for you Wim. I struggle to flower this one, unlike diemenicus which flowers easily. The parent pot of incurvus looks to have a single flower bud amongst twenty plants, and a flower is so rare that I suspect it might be a stray diemenicus!
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Thanks for the replies.
The reason for the cat litter is that I have managed to kill a fair number of terrestrials over the years and now, in litter, I have finally seen some good results. So much so that all my house orchids are now in LECA.
It probably just works well for me because with LECA (and cat litter) it is very difficult to over water and the stuff doesn't degrade.
I might re-think the two I mentioned earlier. Are there any 'easy' alternatives?
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Leca has changed the grain size, to reduce their assortment, it's up to 6-8mm now.
I know the guy who resell the products in my country and asked him if they still have stock of 2-4 and 4-6mm, the answer is not at all. That's a shame.
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I am still on the steepest section of the learning curve incline when it comes to orchids but I am evolving a system that seems to work for me.
Most Mediterranean Ophrys are easier to grow than O. apifera under (frost-free) glass. I use an inorganic mineral mix containing cat litter (Seramis substitute), perlite, grit, pumice and coarse gritty sand. The exact proportions vary with the quality of the ingredients (mainly the sand) but the mix should be very porous and free-draining. Pumice, cat litter, perlite and coarse sand will all hold moisture -especially in a sand-bed plunged clay pot. It is rot that kills the majority of terrestrial orchids. I no longer add any organic material or use loam with these plants. I do fertilise regularly with proprietary orchid fertiliser (a type that DOESN'T use urea or ammonium salts as the nitrogen source). I add powdered dolomitic lime to my mix and add a trace element mix at the first autumn watering.
Most of my ophrys have winter-green rosettes by late October. I water around the side rim of the pots keeping the leaves as dry as possible. I use no shading in the autumn/winter but find that some shading from early March keeps the rosettes in growth for longer. I continue to keep the substrate damp as long as the rosettes are a healthy green colour. Once the leaves start to show signs of yellowing I withhold water. At this stage it is very tempting to give water but this will simply encourage rot. Most ophrys are lost when the collar of the rosette rots in early Winter (compost too claggy/wet or organics in compost) or in late Spring when the previous year's tuber starts to rot (compost too moist) as the plant becomes dormant.
With a very porous mineral mix, regular dilute feeds, a careful watering regime and protection from extremes of heat and cold whilst in growth I find that Ophrys will produce progressively larger tubers and can then produce more than one replacement tuber after a good growing season.
I have a few Ophrys in flower now:
Ophrys leochroma
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1473/24317075342_cca496eafc_o.jpg)
Ophrys spuneri
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1461/24425347715_dc3a25f1d5_o.jpg)
Ophrys lutea
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1538/24129727290_18179f7ca7_o.jpg)
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Which is more than can be said for the donor!
Delighted the Corybas incurvus is flowering for you Wim. I struggle to flower this one, unlike diemenicus which flowers easily. The parent pot of incurvus looks to have a single flower bud amongst twenty plants, and a flower is so rare that I suspect it might be a stray diemenicus!
Darren, it seems to like it here :) ;) The other 3 ones are just leaves, diemenicus were all in bud and is starting to flower at the moment, see pics below!
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For almost one month i can admire Ophrys tenthredinifera.
A masterpiece Yann!
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I am still on the steepest section of the learning curve incline when it comes to orchids but I am evolving a system that seems to work for me.
I have a few Ophrys in flower now:
More masterpieces!
You should all put together an orchids calendar and sell it in the benefit of SRGC! I would buy a few of them...
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Time, I think, for a little reminder that the IRG for December 2015 included a calendar for 2016 you can print out - with fabulous photos from Steve Garvie and Jamus Stonor......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Dec231450895981IRG_72_plus_Index.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Dec231450895981IRG_72_plus_Index.pdf)
8) 8)
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Steve, your Ophrys are exquisite and so is your photography. :)
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Time, I think, for a little reminder that the IRG for December 2015 included a calendar for 2016 you can print out - with fabulous photos from Steve Garvie and Jamus Stonor......
Thanks Maggi! Very well done! Downloaded but it will have to wait a bit for a new printer cartridge...I also appreciate the index, very useful.
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I am still on the steepest section of the learning curve incline when it comes to orchids but I am evolving a system that seems to work for me.
Most Mediterranean Ophrys [...] With a very porous mineral mix, regular dilute feeds, a careful watering regime and protection from extremes of heat and cold whilst in growth I find that Ophrys will produce progressively larger tubers and can then produce more than one replacement tuber after a good growing season.
That sounds a bit more encouraging. I think that the mistake I have always made is the organics. Trying to replicate the kind of stuff they might be found in naturally.
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The quiet common Ophrys speculum
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Yann it may be common but blue lacquered lip is lovely when the sun shines on it.
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That's for sure Neil, captivating specie. Every year i walk in fields of speculum near Sigean-Leucate (Fr,Aude) and i now found them "common". But you're right when i make it discover to someone new to orchids it's the whaah effect.
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That's for sure Neil, captivating specie. Every year i walk in fields of speculum near Sigean-Leucate (Fr,Aude) and i now found them "common". But you're right when i make it discover to someone new to orchids it's the whaah effect.
You grow them beautifully but there must be spectacular to see them in the wild!
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Ophrys aesculapii
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1488/24638930821_2f0d504eb2_o.jpg)
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Nice photo Steve,
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Nice greek Ophrys, not common in culture.
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Ophrys leochroma, very compact.
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Some of the Ophreys are so similar I wonder if they are variations rather than separate species? Bee orchid is seen in various guises.
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Ophrys leochroma, very compact.
This one may win a contest for the most exquisite and delicate Yann!
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Ophrys attica This one chases cats and barks at the Postman!
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1632/24534126619_c40e93aa37_o_d.jpg)
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Ophrys attica This one chases cats and barks at the Postman!
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1632/24534126619_c40e93aa37_o_d.jpg)
I'll just bet it does!
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Ophrys attica This one chases cats and barks at the Postman!
I will have it then in the 'beasty' category (from 'a beautiful beast') ;D
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Anacamptis (Orchis) papilionacea
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1648/24826453491_e77bd77dd8_o.jpg)
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Very nice, mine is just spreading.
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Is anyone in the UK or Ireland successful at growing Med Orchis or Ophrys outside in the ground, trough, plunge or ...
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while Habenaria, orchis are emerging, the pots of O. speculum are all blooming
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while Habenaria, orchis are emerging, the pots of O. speculum are all blooming
Nice preview Yann. Only two more months to go until and you can see them in the wild!
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Ophrys leochroma
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1481/25356066841_019e590940_o.jpg)
Ophrys ferrum-equinum
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1472/24822282573_3135c62bd7_o.jpg)
Ophrys oestrifera
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1557/25422846846_de18db8533_o.jpg)
Orchis anatolica
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1641/25448995585_edb4522840_o.jpg)
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Ophrys leochroma
Ophrys ferrum-equinum
Ophrys oestrifera
Are these Ophrys trying to tell us something Steve? :o
I may be be hallucinating from working at the tax statements but they made my day :) Absolutely fabulous, like all your other images!
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Lovely photos as usual Steve
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Sorting Ophrys pots i found this 3's old seedling.
It seems to be an araneola but i'm not sure until flower is fully open.
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It's spring, orchids are all in buds or in bloom.
Anacamptis papilionacea
Aceras anthropophora
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Ophrys ferrum-equinum
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1451/25105311054_f5ce5f7279_o.jpg)
Ophrys calocaerina
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1444/25105200354_bb7f98b127_o.jpg)
Ophrys helenae
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1455/25108996023_f1fe801148_o.jpg)
Ophrys lutea subsp. melena
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1584/25640674511_5055f2f0fd_o.jpg)
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Not upto the standard of Steve's photos.
The first two are Ophrys kotschyi subsp. cretica
Ophrys oestrifera subsp. dodekanensis or Ophrys apifera
Ophrys speculum subsp. regis-ferdinandii these plants are from seed I sowed back in Jan 2014, which is quite early for it to flower
Ophrys tenthredinifera
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Yann : which soil do you use to grow ophrys?
I've tried several times with the spontaneous O. apifera from the garden, and they always die, even just moving them with the whole soil around them to put them 2 meters away ended up killing them (even when done during their summer dormancy, they start making leaves normally in autumn but soon those turn brown and die)
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Neil, your kotschyi subsp. cretica and regis-ferdinandii are cracking looking plants. I have never been able to source either.
I wish I had the skill and capabilities to grow ophrys (and others) from seed.
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Dactylorhiza are just beginning to show in the garden.
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Orchis quadripunctata Two slightly different forms:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1545/25749400691_3251cd9ba6_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1696/25723565982_34a2b942d5_o.jpg)
Orchis italica
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1616/25213991464_34b90afb91_o.jpg)
Himantoglossum robertianum
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1717/25543808680_8f5ebbed67_o.jpg)
Ophrys reinholdii
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1600/25723564172_402846289e_o.jpg)
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Julien, apifera is probably not the easier specie to grow. I grow mine in clay pots using a mix of dark clay, gravel, and rich forest soil. In winter they need lots of water.
All my bulbs are from a mother plant ex-vitro, so no mycorrhiza problems.
All my mediterrean species are grown in 80%seramis + 10% clay +10% grit, unlike the legend they need plenty moisture during growing period. After they're in buds i only water once a week + NPK 5-10-40.
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it's dark outside, no more sunshine for the week end :'(
Hopefully Ophrys lutea bring some colors to make my day
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Orchis papilionacea
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1713/25616740630_90753596ef_o.jpg)
Ophrys helenae
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1441/25284597654_5385100d0b_o.jpg)
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Himantoglossum robertianum -A lilac flowered form.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1715/25462575223_f3a857057a_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza romana -A pale form
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1663/25460399394_f1fd11f814_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza romana -A dark form
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1619/26065168125_e24f34976e_o.jpg)
Ophrys speculum
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1628/25972626142_ea135daf18_o.jpg)
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Ophrys scolopax
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Ophrys lutea x sicula x fusca
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Nice plant Yann
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Calypso bulbosa occidentalis -It has produced two flowers this year and the single leaf is still going strong with a large plump new pseudobulb underlying. Hopefully it will produce two growths next year.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1444/26546429775_92f0ebb72f_o_d.jpg)
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whouah this isn't an easy one to grow, do you use pine in the compost?
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whouah this isn't an easy one to grow, do you use pine in the compost?
I grow it in a very open mix of pine bark, pine needles, chopped sphagnum, perlite and seramis. I only water with rain water and its pot always sits in about 0.7 cm of water. It grows in a cold greenhouse where it gets full light from late October to early March (Scottish Winters are not bright!) -it is then grown "under the bench". The longer it is kept in growth the bigger the replacement pseudobulb will be. I give only two feeds per year of quarter strength orchid feed (no urea/ammonium salts).
The main killers are dryness, scorched leaf (->early dormancy) and slugs/snails. It needs to be kept just moist and fairly cool during summer dormancy.
Having just written all this I have probably now signed its death warrant! :o
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thanks Steve for these details, i never succeed with Calypso :'(, summer are too hot and dry i think, even under shade.
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Well done Steve have never managed to keep them alive,
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Steve ... Your photography is stunning.
Quick question ... I have obtained some Mediterranean Ophrys (tenthredinifera). They are dormant ATM ... how often should they be watered? Couple of times a month?
I'm really impressed by the Calypso bulbosa BTW. Where on Earth did you obtain it?
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Steve ... Your photography is stunning.
Quick question ... I have obtained some Mediterranean Ophrys (tenthredinifera). They are dormant ATM ... how often should they be watered? Couple of times a month?
I'm really impressed by the Calypso bulbosa BTW. Where on Earth did you obtain it?
Many thanks!
I would keep the Ophrys in dry sand with no water. Re-pot into moist compost (various mixes have been suggested on the forum previously) towards the end of August, or earlier if they start to show new growth. Once into growth keep keep them slightly moist.
I got my Calypso some years ago from a grower in England (from US lab-raised seedlings). Laneside Hardy Orchids are offering young plants currently: http://lanesidehardyorchids.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php/calypso-bulbosa-alpine-house-orchid-p-199 (http://lanesidehardyorchids.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php/calypso-bulbosa-alpine-house-orchid-p-199)
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Early purple orchid, Orchis
masculata mascula, I believe. Growing on the High Weald in East Sussex close to the Kent border.
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Anacamptis morio
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1480/26730018296_9346b608db_o_d.jpg)
Dactylorhiza sambucina
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1593/26151547863_e059d91ae2_o_d.jpg)
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Article on Jeff of Laneside Hardy Orchids.... http://www.garstangcourier.co.uk/news/yes-you-can-grow-orchids-in-your-lancashire-garden-says-expert-jeff-hutchings-1-7890732 (http://www.garstangcourier.co.uk/news/yes-you-can-grow-orchids-in-your-lancashire-garden-says-expert-jeff-hutchings-1-7890732) - with some interesting photos too.
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very nice sambucina :)
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Ralph, it is early purple, Orchis mascula. It looks as if my previous post has been removed? Ralphs picture appears in two threads?
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Yes, it's in British Wildflowers as well.
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Ralph, it is early purple, Orchis mascula. It looks as if my previous post has been removed? Ralphs picture appears in two threads?
Nothing removed, Ian - your reply was to Ralph in the other thread ...
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11299.msg356964#msg356964 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11299.msg356964#msg356964)
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I,m easily confused. :D
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Orchis ustulata -the Burnt-tip Orchid
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7273/26260942743_54684e0ddc_o.jpg)
Orchis militaris -flower spike starting to open.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7166/26592496590_478c577361_o.jpg)
Thelymitra megacalyptra -the flowers open in temperatures above 20C
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7062/26865313105_925bbf5f84_o.jpg)
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Steve, is the military orchid in captivity? I have tried it by seed from the exchange without success. The only orchid I have grown from seed is D. praetermissa. It seeds its-self in the troughs.
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Yes Ian.
I have bought a number of terrestrials from Heinrich Beyrle over the years. He raises many species from seed. The plants are of good quality.
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Steve, is the military orchid in captivity? I have tried it by seed from the exchange without success. The only orchid I have grown from seed is D. praetermissa. It seeds its-self in the troughs.
It is a very difficult to germinate, under sterile conditions. I sterilise the seeds in sulphuric acid at 1% concentration then sterilise them in a 10% solution of household bleach. And then they are ready to be sown on the media.
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Dactylorhiza alpestris
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The last Ophrys to flower here.
Three late flowering plants that I wrongly labelled as Ophrys apifera. At least two of them are probably forms of Ophrys cornuta.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7587/27158593186_8799b9990a_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7277/26585856324_ec39daf92a_b.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7426/26585855884_f402d019cd_o.jpg)
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Think you might need to check your labels or your typing Steve. Don't think any of those are apifera. Scolopax maybe?
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Thanks Steve.
I bought them 2 years ago -supposedly as lab-raised apifera from northern Balkan (Bulgarian seed). This is the first time they have flowered. To me at least two of them look like cornuta. All of my other Ophrys flowered at least 6w earlier and given this later flowering I didn't question the label. Perhaps I need to check my plants more carefully -and not down the barrel of a lens! ;)
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Variations of bee orchid flowers in the wild img. 3688. Also img. 017.
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I am with you on that Steve, it was only my lumper self which said scolopax. This time last year my two cornuta were at Chelsea so they can be late flowering, but long since finished this year.
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They're all scolopax x apifera, this typical hybrid has the gibbosity as a spike.
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The first of my Dactylorhizas is in flower.
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.... and my first Dactylorhiza
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This little fellow just showed up in the garden. I believe it is Corallorhiza striata (Striped Coral Root)
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It's, and a nice plant shown ;)
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Ken, you should be so lucky!
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This little fellow just showed up in the garden. I believe it is Corallorhiza striata (Striped Coral Root)
Gotta love a volunteer!
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Galearis spectabilis -A wee twin-leaved North American woodland species.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7471/27192007975_74eb430eeb_o_d.jpg)
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How beautiful! I've been looking after it in the wild and never find it.
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This little fellow just showed up in the garden. I believe it is Corallorhiza striata (Striped Coral Root)
Ken, have you also noticed Epipactis in your garden? I'm trying to see if they may use the same hosts.
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These two Dactylorhiza have appeared in what purports to be my lawn. We have been in the house for only a year so they must have germinated prior to our arrival and I must have run over them with the lawn mower many times last year and a couple of times this year before I spotted them. I will remove them shortly and plant them somewhere safe.
There are some growing wild on the nature reserve about half a mile from the house. Perhaps these are wind borne seedlings.
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I have this problem too, Graham. It's amazing how fast they pop up after cutting the grass. Almost as if they duck when the lawnmower passes over.
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Dactylorhyza purpurella
They have been sharing a pot with Gentiana 'Compact Gem' for a few years now but I planted them out today. Must try to separate them in the spring.
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Roma it is best to separate them once they have died back for the year , and before the roots start growing again during the winter
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Anacamptis laxiflora
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7363/27741365196_b2926eb901_o.jpg)
Anacamptis pyramidalis
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7330/27775238115_ebecc36dba_o.jpg)
Gymnadenia conopsea -This plant stands almost a metre tall in its pot. It has increased in size each year but so far has refused to produce more than a single growth. It is strongly fragrant.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7326/27775237645_3dcd68eac1_o.jpg)
Platanthera chlorantha -The flowers have a hint of vanilla in their scent.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7423/27221713530_13b251b1ae_o.jpg)
Platanthera bifolia -There is not much of a scent during the day but at night this plant has a pleasant perfume.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7038/27221714180_69e02b0e3e_o.jpg)
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Exquisite, Steve!
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Some Amitostigma cultivars (not really my cup of tea, I prefer the natural species):
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7367/27497238050_6782383b61_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7284/27498647355_ed777ed574_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7363/27399619462_8a08bf5d0e_o.jpg)
Amitostigma sp. -A tiny Chinese species which has a single slightly pustulate basal leaf.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7350/27498646525_f67661b0f3_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7346/27498646145_fc549a5a57_o.jpg)
Amitostigma simplex
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7643/27498646885_e9b65900a7.jpg)
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Lovely photos as usual Steve
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Pictures from this evening, by Ian - wild orchids in a field west of Aberdeen
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Beautiful site Maggi.
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It is indeed, John. There were many groups like this - though not, I don't think, quite as many as last year, which was REALLY fantastic. I think the grasses etc are higher than last year though, so perhaps the orchids are just not so visible in some areas. Hard to tell exactly.
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A couple of dactylorhiza orchids in flower here, on the right in the picture is a hybrid and on the left is D. fuchsii, I got both of them from Anne up near York.
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This clump which arrived in a tub in the garden last year entirely of its own volition is doing rather well: Dactylorhiza fuchsii.
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The last Dactylorhizas in my garden this year: D. praetermissa, a bunch of D. incarnate forma ochrantha and seedlings from a majalis x maculata cross. The maculata was almost white, and the seedlings all have different patterns on the lip. The purpurellas are also at their peak now, but my camera simply can't capture the color.
Anders
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Here is the last maculata x majalis. And a small yellowish thing.
Anders
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And a small yellowish thing.
Anders
Herminium monorchis, Anders?
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Yes, Herminium monorchis. And speaking of small and yellowish, I just noticed that a few Liparis kumokiri seedlings are also flowering.
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Hi,
my Ponerorchis graminifolia seems to like it here. This year it won a few 1st prizes at local shows and a Cultural Commendation from the RHS. Well done, my little plant, I'm proud of you. I wish I had a few more like this and with pretty colours. Actually, I do have some but they don't grow as well as this one. Must be a good clone.
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Hi,
my Ponerorchis graminifolia seems to like it here. This year it won a few 1st prizes at local shows and a Cultural Commendation from the RHS. Well done, my little plant, I'm proud of you. I wish I had a few more like this and with pretty colours. Actually, I do have some but they don't grow as well as this one. Must be a good clone.
Simply STUNNING, Maren! Here are a few which are flowering here now.
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And a few more...
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I never had any luck with Ponerorchis, I tried several times with plant from several sources and I always end up killing them before they even set flowers, watering is something I have not mastered with those, especially with the conditions here where one day can be really warm and the next kind of cold... So far I have tried seramis, perlite, akadama.. and they always rot at the base of the stem :(
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On a side note, does anyone know where I could get seeds from Ophrys sphegode, holoserica and insectifera?
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Here's the invasive pest of the back of the garden... Epipactis helleborine
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Calopogon tuberosus and Pogonia ophioglossoides seem to like the (thus far) cool summer.
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What a superb display of these bog orchids!!! :o
Wim do you grow these with some overhead protection?
Are they in full sun?
What soil mix do you use?
Sorry for the many questions but I would be very grateful for your advice.
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The last one to flower here is an odd seemingly alba form or Epipactis helleborine.
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I don't quite understand where this one is from, it just mysteriously appeared 10 years ago in the middle of the others. It is taller than the other form (80-100cm when the others are rather 50-60cm), grows in tight clumps of 8-10 spikes and seem to increase only vegetatively since none of the spontaneous seedlings are of that form.
I never succeeded to germinate them in vitro (but I have really poor germination rates in vitro with the others as well, there's something I don't really understand with Epipactis seeds, either dormancy or too thick seed coat), but it does multiply well from pieces of roots, which seem able to generate shoots easily.
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Various forms of Dactylorhiza in bloom here:
Dactylorhiza elata -probably with some purpurella blood.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7437/27370437303_1a2aee79fc_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza purpurella -a dwarf plant in the wild (it grows a few hundred metres away from my garden) which grows taller in garden soil.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7386/27371243944_ebe93069b1_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza maculata -garden hybrid, probably with elata blood.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7405/28001915151_6382a5fbf2_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza maculata -probable hybrid with a rather plainly-marked lip.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7442/28001913221_ba4882fe40_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza maculata -a form with a well-marked lip.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7357/28001912381_e380da3717_o.jpg)
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Steve - Are you holding out on us? I see a well-grown Rhododendron proteoides there!
john
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Steve - Are you holding out on us? I see a well-grown Rhododendron proteoides there!
john
You have a keen eye John, though I'm not sure how well-grown it is as it has yet to flower.
I bought it as a small plant from Glendoick about 18 years ago.
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These epipactis can't compare to Steve's dachtylorhizas. E. helleborine came into my garden of its own accord and has spread around; E. gigantea was a gift. This year they've both bloomed better than they usually do.
...Claire
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Nice ones Claire.
I just love how variable E. helleborine is, in the same colony there can be many totally different colors.
I unfortunately have no luck with my E. gigantea, it's really sulking and refuses to flower since 3 years :(
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E. gigantea grows next to water and likes its feet fairly wet. Mine is now shaded a little too much for a good bloom because my plum tree didn't read its label: "semi-dwarf". :D
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Early July is a second flowering period for orchids in Ontario with Pogonia ophioglossoides in full flower.
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The second image is not too great but for the ones interested in growing it in the garden it shows that can be tried like this - in a calcareous meadow-marsh in association with other species (in the image: Lobelia spicata, Polygala senega, Castilleja and others…).
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Calopogon tuberosus and Platanthera psicodes just starting to flower.
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The second image is not too great but for the ones interested in growing it in the garden it shows that can be tried like this - in a calcareous meadow-marsh in association with other species (in the image: Lobelia spicata, Polygala senega, Castilleja and others…).
Lovely combination, Gabriela.
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Your bog orchids are wonderful Gabriela!!!
It's a driech day here but some of the dactylorhiza are glowing through the smirr:
Dactylorhiza fuchsii -two pale flowered plants:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7380/27465719194_2b04a056cb_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7464/28001915901_727f71122f_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza fuchsii alba
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7371/27465718764_1e45512fc6_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza maculata alba
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7292/28001910641_2c8b6efac1_o.jpg)
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Early July is a second flowering period for orchids in Ontario with Pogonia ophioglossoides in full flower.
(Attachment Link)
The second image is not too great but for the ones interested in growing it in the garden it shows that can be tried like this - in a calcareous meadow-marsh in association with other species (in the image: Lobelia spicata, Polygala senega, Castilleja and others…).
(Attachment Link)
Saw them near Tobermory four years ago together with Cypripdeium reginae ,wonderful
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Your bog orchids are wonderful Gabriela!!!
It's a driech day here but some of the dactylorhiza are glowing through the smirr:
Dactylorhiza fuchsii -two pale flowered plants:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7380/27465719194_2b04a056cb_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7464/28001915901_727f71122f_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza fuchsii alba
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7371/27465718764_1e45512fc6_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza maculata alba
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7292/28001910641_2c8b6efac1_o.jpg)
Lovely plants Steve,they seem to be at their peak at the moment
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Saw them near Tobermory four years ago together with Cypripdeium reginae ,wonderful
Yes, the Tobermory area and surrounding is good for orchids. I didn't drive that far this time. You must have stayed there for a while though - C. reginae is flowering quite a few weeks in advance than Platanthera. I didn't see them this year, but in exchange catched a small ram's head in flower :)
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Saw them near Tobermory four years ago together with Cypripdeium reginae ,wonderful
That would be Tobermory, Bruce Peninsula, Ontario - rather than the one in Scotland
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Cycling home yesterday I came across a nice varied group of Pyramidal orchids on a main roadside. I have lived in Leeds for the best part of fifty years and never spotted them here before!
Tim DH
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That was a great find, Tim. I wonder if the verge is being cut less than if previous years and that has enabled them to flourish?
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I can't really comment Maggi. Although the site is only 9 miles from my door I don't go that way very often, because the road is so busy! One reason for going that way on Saturday was because of continued road closures following the Boxing Day Floods.. (It's hard to imagine road & rail links in areas South of the [don't laugh] 'Northern Powerhouse' taking SOOOO L O N G to repair!)
Tim DH
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orchids season ends slowly, in the Cevennes forest hosts several species of Epipactis
Epipactis exilis is very rare in the region
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Epipactis atrorubens can be found in beech woods
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the common Epipactis helleborine revealed a typical coloring in these forests
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In the pinewoods Goodyera thives
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the classical Cephalanthera rubra
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Maybe we need a thread for semi-terrestrial orchids:
Calopogon tuberosum
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8039/28476377910_b615c0c767_o.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8168/28476376840_435b13bb35_o.jpg)
Pogonia ophioglossoides
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8336/28145303993_be52720ba0_o.jpg)
Disa uniflora
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8397/28476376120_a2f998647c_o.jpg)
Platanthera grandiflora
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8808/28476377630_725fbd650c_o.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8759/28145349293_108c5d248d_o.jpg)
Platanthera dilatata -The Bog candle. First time flowering for me.
Mature plants can have an impressive flower spike.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8664/28145303243_891e960632_o.jpg)
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Fine orchids, Yann ; we have only found Epipactis palustris in a peat bog before "Les Saisies" ; a good page http://orchidees-alsace.hautetfort.com/media/02/02/738968183.pdf (http://orchidees-alsace.hautetfort.com/media/02/02/738968183.pdf)
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All these beautiful orchids and the bug sitting still on Cephalanthera reminded me about this - for those who don't already know:
Studies have shown that Epipactis nectar (also of other orchids) contains chemical substances with narcotic properties. They have a role in attracting pollinators and making them ‘sluggish’ (so that they spend more time on flowers). There is also ethanol involved, which can lead to the ‘drunken insect behaviour’!
Of course these narcotics are present in ‘minute’ quantities, but it was enough to arouse the interest in 'ethnobotanical' circles. A good thing these are not easy to grow species ;D
WHY DO POLLINATORS BECOME “SLUGGISH”? NECTAR CHEMICAL CONSTITUENTS FROM EPIPACTIS HELLEBORINE (L.) CRANTZ (ORCHIDACEAE)
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interesting
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I got proof of the 'narcotics' - the wasp(?) was totally 'stoned' on the Epipactis and only after I touched it gently to make sure was alive, it moved slowly to another flower (not great pictures, I was in a hurry).
The third image with Spiranthes (most probably romanzoffiana) shows the combination between the perfect camouflage and a sluggish insect.
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It seems the website works better, last night I got stucked on the forum and couldn't log out.
This would be the third wave of orchids flowering in Ontario.
The one with the spider was indeed Spiranthes romanzoffiana, among the first Spiranthes to start flowering. It can be variable in height but with the specific tight spirals of flowers. Not very great looking in this drought year.
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A fragile, slender lady ;) Spiranthes lacera (Slender Ladies Tresses). First image shows the very specific overall look, I apologize is not up to the standards of this thread but is very hard to capture it. I don't get to see it every year so...
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The detail not that bad. The flowers can be one sided or like here in a large spiral.
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Goodyera repens - with variegated foliage. It used to be G. repens var. ophioides but I understand the varieties are not recognized anymore. Yann has posted a beautiful close up.
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And the more often seen Goodyera oblongifolia
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Nice to see a Goodyera repens even it is just a picture ;) It used to grow at our summer house but died of drought many years ago :'(
Nothing will die of drought now though :-\
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It grows in your region?
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Nice to see a Goodyera repens even it is just a picture ;) It used to grow at our summer house but died of drought many years ago :'(
Nothing will die of drought now though :-\
I agree Trond, anything is better than nothing ;) Maybe you could try to establish it again in the same area from seeds?
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It grows in your region?
All I’ve shown are in driving distance for day trips Yann - about 2-3 hours (one way). Goodyera spp. are a bit rare in the region (if to compare with the Cypripedium), there were probably 5 plants of G. repens.
Supposedly you could find orchids all along the so called Bruce Trail that follows the Niagara Escarpment from Niagara to Tobermory; so there may be other spots even nearby but all is very relative, as you probably know.
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Ophrys and Serapias are already in growth, should have really early bloomings.
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What do you do with the watering at this moment and for the further growth?
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Those growing in seramis are watered for debut september, once a week and pots are kept in the shade.
The ones i grow in pure shalky clay have been watered for the first time yesterday with a 2 weeks dry/2weelks water regime up to december, then once a week.
With seramis 2/3 times per week between december and february, then only once a week until the last blossom.
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Thanks Yann, mine are still underground, so keep them dry until they become above ground?
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yes, during this period the bulbs prepare the next root base and the futur flower spike.
Once you see the spike over the soil you can water a lot, such as it occurs in the mediterranean zones.
If you wait too much and don't apply a good rain wash, the bulbs will dry too much and you'll only have foliage.
Do you grow them under glass?
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Yes, I grow them in a greenhouse. And only water them from below?
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No on top, i use an inox radiator faucet to water my bulbs pots
(http://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/19/21/62/18/servic10.jpg)
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Bletilla striata 'Albostriata':
I have a small patch of the above that I obtained from Wildside Nursery a few years ago now. Unfortunately they got buried under a rampant hybrid Daphne and didn't flower this year but the leaves look in good condition. I would like to re-locate them, is this a reasonable time of the year to do this please?
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Anyone please?
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Hi David,
Laneside Hardy Orchids (http://lanesidehardyorchids.com/growing_hardy_orchids.htm) suggest:
Bletillas ... should be planted with the pseudo-bulb just below the surface and unlike many other orchids division should take place in the summer after flowering. This enables the plant to grow well during the autumn producing new pseudo-bulbs for the next season.
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Many thanks for that Matt, I hadn't thought of looking in Laneside's Web Site.
Although it's getting a bit late the weather has been good of late so I think I'll try moving them tomorrow.
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Now flowering in the peatbed: Spiranthes odorata
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In my greenhouse: Pterostylis obtusa
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almost spring ;D
outside or inside glass it's ready for the next season
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Some late flowering species from the end of September:
Platanthera ciliaris
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5347/29737799173_584c8e927d_o.jpg)
Spiranthes sinensis
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8416/30369495395_9b88016171_o.jpg)
Calopogon tuberosus -the white form.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5767/29737797833_3d16aea095_o.jpg)
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Beautiful. I wish there were pink Spiranthes here as well; also fragrant?
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Sadly there is no scent to the Sp. sinensis flower Gabriela.
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Pterostylis truncata
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It always gives me a thrill seeing our Australian terrestrial orchids pampered in little pots on the other side of the globe! To see them I walk into the bush in late winter.
Here are some pictures I took just up the road from us in our local National Park. I think it's a sterile natural hybrid between P. cucullata and P. nutans.
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I don't know if this link has been posted before. Mind blowing - the largest orchid literature database in the world!
Swiss Orchid Foundation at the Herbarium Jany Renz
https://orchid.unibas.ch/index.php/en/bibliorchidea (https://orchid.unibas.ch/index.php/en/bibliorchidea)
A database search will show hundreds or thousands entries for a large genus, everything from botanical illustrations to herbarium sheets, pictures of root, seeds...
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patience... we're in the most difficult period when it's necessary to juggle with extreme cold and watering.