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Title: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 07, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
This Japanese Iris has finally flowered but has been affected by the heat :'(
Maybe a secondary bloom will be okay,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Roma on January 07, 2016, 11:59:45 AM
Lovely colour, Fermi.  I have a different problem.  Reticulata irises coming into flower because of the mild weather and not opening properly because of the lack of light.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 10, 2016, 10:17:58 PM
The ensatas are very late here Fermi, just coming into their own now. Hot, cold, wet, dry, the weather has been totally rubbish for weeks. 30C one day, 14 the next.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Robert on January 11, 2016, 05:26:11 AM
The ensatas are very late here Fermi, just coming into their own now. Hot, cold, wet, dry, the weather has been totally rubbish for weeks. 30C one day, 14 the next.

Lesley,

Is this typical summer weather in your parts? It seems quite extreme to me. We might get extreme weather like that (only) in the springtime once in a blue moon.

Maybe "El Nino" is lost.  ;D
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: SJW on January 27, 2016, 05:27:56 PM
Iris unguicularis 'Peloponnese Snow'
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
Gorgeous plant Steve.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: SJW on January 27, 2016, 07:37:47 PM
Gorgeous plant Steve.

Thanks David. It's a really nice compact form.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Matt T on January 27, 2016, 07:53:00 PM
Absolutely gorgeous and really well grown with a potful of tidy green foliage.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: SJW on January 27, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
Absolutely gorgeous and really well grown with a potful of tidy green foliage.

Thanks, Matt. Now if it could just hang on for a month or so until the shows start!
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 28, 2016, 02:07:00 AM
A lovely thing, Steve.
I missed out of seed of this from one of the exchanges - but of course, no guarantee that I'd get anything as nice!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: SJW on January 28, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
A lovely thing, Steve. I missed out of seed of this from one of the exchanges - but of course, no guarantee that I'd get anything as nice!
cheers
fermi

Would that be the AGS exchange?! I did manage to get some unguicularis cretensis seed so look forward to seeing how that goes. Last year I received I. unguicularis alba seed from both SRGC and AGS (belt and braces!) and have been pleased that they germinated OK. Interestingly, the SRGC seed (on the left) was sown in late Jan 2015 and it germinated in May. The AGS seed (on the right) was sown in late December 2014 and germinated in October 2015. The SNP could make political capital out of that - yet another thing faster and more reliable north of the border! ;D
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Matt T on January 28, 2016, 05:40:45 PM
Would that be the AGS exchange?! I did manage to get some unguicularis cretensis seed so look forward to seeing how that goes. Last year I received I. unguicularis alba seed from both SRGC and AGS (belt and braces!) and have been pleased that they germinated OK. Interestingly, the SRGC seed (on the left) was sown in late Jan 2015 and it germinated in May. The AGS seed (on the right) was sown in late December 2014 and germinated in October 2015. The SNP could make political capital out of that - yet another thing faster and more reliable north of the border! ;D

Fine looking seedlings, Steve! Can I ask, what treatment did they receive?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: SJW on January 28, 2016, 06:56:52 PM
Fine looking seedlings, Steve! Can I ask, what treatment did they receive?

No special treatment, Matt. Just left outside in a cold frame until they germinated then brought into the greenhouse. Can't be sure, but I think I soaked the seed to plump them up a bit before sowing into a gritty compost.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Matt T on January 28, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
No special treatment, Matt. Just left outside in a cold frame until they germinated then brought into the greenhouse. Can't be sure, but I think I soaked the seed to plump them up a bit before sowing into a gritty compost.

Thanks, that's exactly what I did with mine. I shall keep waiting patiently.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 19, 2016, 09:06:40 AM
I replied to a post here and several others on my phone then realized they weren't going through for whatever reason so better stick to the tried and true.

I hope the seeds mentioned above of the white unguicularis do, in fact, come true. I have twice tried it from seed and both times the plants have eventually flowered purple, albeit in good forms.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 31, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
Iris unguicularis 'Peloponnese Snow'
I acquired a plant of this from Glenconwy at the Kent Show recently, looking forward to it flowering.

Always much later than I. unguicularis, here's Iris lazica today.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on March 31, 2016, 07:00:29 PM
I acquired a plant of this from Glenconwy at the Kent Show recently, looking forward to it flowering.


  Thinking you might mean Aberconwy Nursery from Glan Conway?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 31, 2016, 08:53:20 PM
Quite right - senior moment!
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on March 31, 2016, 10:03:22 PM
Quite right - senior moment!
;) I have so many myself, Ralph, that I'm getting good at spotting them!
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on May 17, 2016, 07:04:34 PM
The first seedlings are unfolding their maidens.  These two are purpotedly a cross with I. typhifolia as seed parent.  The pollen unknow, but one would suspect a siberica.  They are apparently from two different pods/plants, as they have different lot numbers (from SIGNA seedex).
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on May 18, 2016, 05:11:54 PM
A shot of the third seedling to bloom from the above cross, fully unfolded. After posting on the SIGNA forum, I found out these crosses, done by Niswonger, are part of a series he made exploring the typhifolia gene pool.  They are about two weeks or more than the earliest sibericas and considerably more delicate in foliage and plant habit.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 20, 2016, 04:02:10 AM
I hope therefore, that he or someone goes on with this line. I've seen few plants of I. typhifolia and just have a couple of tiny seedlings myself, but it looks to be an elegant and stately plant, well worth the growing and the garden room.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on May 27, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
A stand of Iris siberica
Steve Varner- a very strong grower
Sutan's Ruby - one of the best violet-reds
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 01, 2016, 07:05:40 PM
A few more iris have opened despite the constant rain.  Blossoms could be better.
Lemon Veil sdl, which I rather like.
I. pseudacorus alba: popped up in the pond. Great branching and bud-count.  Looks like ink on parchment
laevigata sdl x reversicolor (versicolor x ((versicolor x ensata) x versicolor): has six falls, small blossom, but strikingly marked.
I. bulleyana ? This looks wrong, from wild collected seed.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2016, 08:02:08 AM
I like the white pseudocorus Jamie. A species which is not merely "not permitted" here but actually "prohibited."

The bulleyana is not right. Looks more like a sibirica seedling of some kind. Same section of course but the colour and shape are wrong for bulleyana.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 02, 2016, 08:18:08 AM
Lesley,
exactly my thoughts on the 'bulleyana'.  There are other seedlings in the bunch and I'm hoping this is a one-off mistake that found its way into the bag/pot.  With the somewhat rectagular fall, it may be a typhifolia hybrid that blooms late.

Truly a shame that pseudacorus untamable is.  Fortunately, the alba and another pale cultivar I have are less robust.  For us, of course, it is a native iris.  Doesn't change its nature, though.  An absolute thug in the small garden.
cheers,
j.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 02, 2016, 11:06:28 PM
Hi regellan I have grown the variegated form of pseudacorus for a number of years and it is very well behaved, doesn't spread too fast, and has yellow flowers which look great with the foliage.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2016, 11:47:58 PM
I do too John and yes, a very attractive plant. When I say I. pseudacorus is prohibited, that doesn't mean we are not allowed to grow it, it means that we may not import seed or plants and we may not sell it or give it away even, and not distribute it in any way at all. The reasoning is that it is known to block farm and other waterways, storage ponds etc. Yes it does but as a general garden plant in regular soil rather than in water, it behaves quite well. As you say, the variegated form is less vigorous. The magnificent Japanese "eyeshadow" irises which are pseudacorus crossed with a particular ensata seedling, are entirely benign in that respect and sterile to boot so no problem with them at all but even so, we are not allowed to have them.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 03, 2016, 07:57:13 AM
John,  I have the variegated form, as well, and it is well behaved, not to mention quite striking in full bloom.  There is a dwarf form from France, but it is rather vigourous.  I grow all of these in water (my pond), which does give them more support than they need.  Along with the Louisianas, I need to divide the pond plants this season, which means draining the affair.  i started this a few weeks ago, but the constant rains filled it right back up again! about 60cm!

Lesley, you answered the question brooding in the back of my mind.  The eye-lash Pseudatas are also prohibited then.  I have not yet added any to the garden (rare as hen's teeth in Germany), but would like to import some, maybe Gubijin, the ensata cross fertile clone, as well.  They are such stately plants and, if not overly vigourous, will make good garden additions.  They bloom earlier than the spurias and offer a new colour group. Plus, the seem to handle a higher soil pH.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 03, 2016, 03:25:25 PM
Hi Lesley why don't the authorities in nz just ban the ordinary pseudacorus which is causing the problem and let the other less vigorous be more readily available? I suppose they are taking no chances which I guess you can't blame them, but it is a pity.
 Hi regelian can I pick your brains please, I have had a Louisiana iris in my pond for two or three years, it has never flowered, how do you manage with it?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 03, 2016, 10:48:15 PM
John,
they are heavy feeders and need a full-sun, warm spot.  All of mine are actually in water and I do know of a few who grow them in big tubs with water and fertilize regularly.  They do not like freezing, although they tolerate it, it does weaken the plant.  Most are very robust plants, but I have had a few refuse to perform in my pond.  Do you know the name of the one you have?

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 04, 2016, 12:20:26 AM
Banning just the straight species sounds too much like common sense John, and that would never do! When any species is prohibited any hybrids it may have made are also prohibited. Of course we may apply to have such hybrids (or other non-prohibited species not already here, assessed by EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) but this literally costs upwards of $1600 (basic application, then costs plus GST on top of that) PER SPECIES!. So that doesn't happen. On the other hand if a species is OK (generally only those things which are already here) its varieties or subspecies are OK too. A hybrid may be imported so long as both parents are permitted.

You can imagine the frustration and sense of terrible loss and deprivation when we in the far south see the new introductions from China and northern Asia which it seems we will never be allowed to grow.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 04, 2016, 05:07:39 PM
Hi Jamie I don't know the name anymore, I've had it that long. I have fish in my pond so fertiliser is out, I'll have to think of something else. It really is frustrating that I have no problems usually with iris bar Louisiana and unguicularis. Hi Lesley your quip about common sense made me laugh, it is so true though the world over, it is a shame they are so strict about plants in nz, but I suppose they don't want any foreigners causing havoc like Japanese knotweed does here.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 05, 2016, 04:47:02 AM
That's right John. I believe there are 5 criteria in an assessment. They include weed potential, potential to destroy habitats, potential to introduce new pests or diseases, potential threats to commercial crops and I can't remember the other one. You get the picture and none of us would argue with any of those but if Frit. meleagris and F. camschatcensis are fine, why not  F. sibthorpiana or F. monantha? If Iris iberica or I. reticulata, why not II. stocksii or barnumae?  It's just they have never been recorded as grown here previously. We may have what we already have, but not not we currently DON'T have.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 05, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
Hi Lesley it does seem strange to include some species of a certain plant and not others, unless these excluded plants have been know to be invasive, which could explain why they have been banned.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: partisangardener on June 05, 2016, 06:10:45 PM
Today my first Iris chrysographes seedling started to bloom. I think it is the fourth year of growth and the third in my bog.
The mother plants where bought and set into a bog 10 cm above maximum water-level.
There is certainly no danger of it becoming a weed.

Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 05, 2016, 11:35:57 PM
A beautiful plant in a loverly setting, I have one of these myself and it's spreading nicely.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 06, 2016, 08:17:49 AM
Axel,
lovely deep colour.  I find this the most diffcult of the sino-sibericas in my garden for some unknown reason.  Can you tell me about the soil where it grows?
J.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: partisangardener on June 06, 2016, 08:43:16 AM
Just plain peat sand mixture. On a small mound above the maximum water level. It seems to like conditions like the higher Sarracenia species with which they grow at my place.
They make no problem at all, in this conditions. Some fertilising may be positive. My friend Knorbs had flowers a year earlier with fertilizing. I did not fertilize them.

This is one of the places it grows well besides the Gladiolus palustris is another plant of this species not yet in flower, but with bud.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 06, 2016, 08:47:25 AM
Axel,
that really helps.  My soil is a sandy, slightly alkaline clay, typical for my side of the Rhein.  Maybe this species is pH sensitive.  I'll get some seed and try again with a peaty soil.
j.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: vanozzi on June 07, 2016, 04:16:20 AM
Axel, that is a beautiful chrysographes you posted in a wonderful natural  setting!Thanks for relating your growing method,especially water requirements.My only two chrysographes flowered last year, but failed to set seed, despite several attempts .Now I'm down to one and it's the only 40 chromosome specie that I have in this sub-species.Mine also is not as black as yours.
I'm now growing quite a few siberian hybrid seedlings, both diploid and tetra, the first will flower this year.My stock plants (40) are mainly noid,which I'm trying to id.  A lady gave me several hundred seed and I imported 500 seed from the main siberian breeder in the USA.
I. chrysographes
I.''Golden Edge'' (maybe)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 07, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
Lovely velvety chrysographes forms Vanozzi. The sibirica is rather similar to one called 'Silver Rim' though the edge doesn't seem to extend right round. A lovely plant whatever it is.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: FrazerHenderson on June 07, 2016, 09:29:17 PM
Is this Iris linifolia? Identification welcome
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: partisangardener on June 08, 2016, 05:41:47 PM
The second flowering plant of Iris chrysographes in my bog is even darker than the first one. While the first was quite low (30cm) this one is 52 cm.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 10, 2016, 08:48:36 PM
Quite a few irises have come into flower with me, the first is the hybrid I x hollandica eye of the tiger, I've had it for years and it gets better every year, next is I. sibirica Perry's blue another good garden plant, next is I. tectorum, a beautiful blue iris, next is I. Setosa which has lilac flowers, the only problem I have found with this iris is that aphids love it, so I have to keep my eyes peeled. Lastly is a bit of a pride and joy iris for me I. orientalis, i grew this from seed set about two maybe three years ago. Always great to see your hard work come to fruition.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 10, 2016, 09:16:01 PM
I think the second one is 'Perry's Blue'. All lovely.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: ashley on June 10, 2016, 09:29:02 PM
Some beautiful irises, including these various crysographes forms and Paul's fine sibirica hybrid. 
John, your photos show very well the rich colour of x hollandica 'Eye of the tiger' as well as the unique shape and markings of tectorum.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 10, 2016, 10:10:58 PM
Thanks for your photos John. It's really nice for me to see some irises when all of mine are in winter mode. I haven't even seen buds yet on I. unguicularis. I feel a bit like an addict whose supplier has gone AWOL. :) WhenI see your obviously very fine 'Perry's Blue,' I am mindful of how reliant we in NZ have been on American importations for so long. I doubt if anything has come from the UK for at least 50 years, in sibricas or TBs anyway.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 10, 2016, 11:46:30 PM
Hi Ralph, Ashley and Lesley thanks for your kind words, I really tried to make sure the photos were doing the plants justice as the iris is one of my favourite plants, so many different species and hybrids, and I love them all. TBs? Lesley?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 11, 2016, 06:35:57 AM
Hello John,
Yes I love TBs too but have to admit to liking more, the older, more tailored forms rather than the ultra frilly and laced modern kinds and over all I prefer clean, clear colours to the sometimes bizarre combinations we see today. The so-called splashed forms I don't like at all. So yes, call me old-fashioned if you wish. :)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 11, 2016, 11:14:16 AM
I wouldn't call you that Lesley, I wouldn't be so rude😉 To be honest I'm a bit that way myself, I'm a bit of a species freak, if I like a plant I will try to get the species rather than any hybrids that are available, not that there is anything wrong with hybrids, each to his or her own as the saying goes.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Philip Walker on June 11, 2016, 12:46:58 PM
My Iris sibirica from mixed a seed packet
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: TC on June 11, 2016, 08:35:03 PM
Iris Delavayi.   It has taken me about 6 years to finally get flowers from seed.  I had almost given up as I had lost the label and kept wondering what the pot of leaves were going to flower as.
Now I know.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 12, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
  not that there is anything wrong with hybrids, each to his or her own as the saying goes.
Absolutely John. :)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 12, 2016, 12:46:10 AM
There's hope for mine then Tom. This spring coming will be its 6th year though the first 4 were all in a pot so it may take a bit longer as the growth was very restricted. I had 4 seedlings from NZIS seed and one of them is regularly strongly variegated as it comes through, a good clean light yellow and green striped form. Even without flowers it has been very attractive. The variegation ages to full green but not until well into the summer. It should be spectacular in bloom especially if it reaches its full height potential of 1.5 metres or, as one I know, even more.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on June 12, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
Thanks for your photos John. It's really nice for me to see some irises when all of mine are in winter mode. I haven't even seen buds yet on I. unguicularis. I feel a bit like an addict whose supplier has gone AWOL. :) WhenI see your obviously very fine 'Perry's Blue,' I am mindful of how reliant we in NZ have been on American importations for so long. I doubt if anything has come from the UK for at least 50 years, in sibricas or TBs anyway.

Article in the June edition of 'The Plantsman' on Cedric Morris (there is usually a 'Plantsman Biography' in each edition and very interesting they are too) In the article it mentions that Morris was "a very private man in the world of horticulture. Any publicity about his planting emerged from his connections in the 1940's with growers such as the highly active active Orpington Nurseries in Kent and [Perry's Hardy Plant Farm in Essex]"................ I wonder if this is where the name for 'Perry's Blue' came from?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 12, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
Could well be David, I'd be pleased as punch if it was named after me ;D
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 12, 2016, 01:38:31 PM
Nice delavayi!  I've been trying to get true seed for years.  I hope a selfing takes.

Here are a couple of Louisianas and a I. forrestii.  The forrestii has been a task, as the snails and slugs love the stems!  This is the only bloom that survived on 3 seedlings.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Roma on June 12, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
Iris 'Broadleigh Carolyn' is flowering well this year.
Iris sibirica grown from seed.  The flowers are quite small but there's a lot of them held well above the foliage.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on June 13, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
Iris spuria ssp maritima
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 13, 2016, 04:40:47 PM
Very nice, David. I got this one as Iris species KR3739. Probably would have been a good idea to also record where I got it from. Any suggestions as to ID?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 13, 2016, 05:02:24 PM
Ralph,
could be I. clarkei, which holds the stands horizontally.  Looks very similar to chrysographes, but more violet and the plant is a bit stiffer, but I've not seen them together.  That comment is from Köhlein.
J.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 13, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
Iris chrysographes would be a good fit, a paler violet form. Looks like the one advertised here: http://www.letsgoplanting.co.uk/iris-chrysographes.html (http://www.letsgoplanting.co.uk/iris-chrysographes.html)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 13, 2016, 05:17:26 PM
KR is K. D. Rushforth apparently. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5957408 (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5957408)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 13, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
Ralph,
I. chrysographes never has horizontal stands.  Only I. clarkei shows this (only species in the sibericae/chrsographae).  After the flower spike is done, cut it.  Other siberica types have a hollow stem, not I. clarkei.

There is another undescribed plant tentativley under I. clarkei, but not yet investigated.  May be a new species or wild hybrid.

If the seed was garden harvested, a hybrid is a strong possibility. Normally we see a white signal in I.clarkei.  A hybrid with I. chrysographes may not show this, but still have the horizontal falls.

here a link for I. clarkei.

http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Spec/SpecClarkei (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Spec/SpecClarkei)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on June 13, 2016, 06:58:44 PM
KR is K. D. Rushforth apparently. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5957408 (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5957408)
  It is.  You can see many collectors' references here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.0)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 13, 2016, 07:51:33 PM
My favourite iris is in bloom I. graminea, with a great common name, plum tart iris.

Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 14, 2016, 01:14:13 AM
 Do you mean Jamie that the FALLS of clarkei are not horizontal?
I. chrysographes never has horizontal falls.  Only I. clarkei shows this. 


If the seed was garden harvested, a hybrid is a strong possibility. Normally we see a white signal in I.clarkei.  A hybrid with I. chrysographes may not show this, but still have the horizontal falls.

here a link for I. clarkei.

http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Spec/SpecClarkei (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Spec/SpecClarkei)
I don't believe clarkei ever has horizontal falls, only standards and this varies. The fact is that it seems ALL species within sibiricae will hybridise with and among each other and even in the wild it may be almost impossible to identify "true" (i.e. unadulterated) species. I. clarkei is perhaps the most easily identified as its solid, not hollow stem is constant as is the butterfly-shaped signal which can be yellow or white. I seem to drag this photo out every so often here or on Facebook and it is, I believe, true I. clarkei.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 14, 2016, 04:07:40 AM
A couple of years ago I was promised seed of Iris spuria ssp maritima by a member living in France and I think it was to be wild collected seed but in the event, it never arrived (twice), so you won't be surprised David if I ask you to keep an eye out for seed on your lovely plants and perhaps sent a little my way?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 14, 2016, 05:00:03 AM
David, I'm sure the sibirica 'Perry's Blue' would have come from that nursery. Back in the dim, distant I seem to remenber that it was the source of many good hardy plants, new varieties and with the Perry name attached.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 14, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
Lesley, thanks for catching that.  I meant to write 'stands', and have now corrected it above.

Also, I think your foto is of a hybrid, not the species.  In short, too well formed!
cheers,
J.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on June 14, 2016, 03:39:16 PM
A couple of years ago I was promised seed of Iris spuria ssp maritima by a member living in France and I think it was to be wild collected seed but in the event, it never arrived (twice), so you won't be surprised David if I ask you to keep an eye out for seed on your lovely plants and perhaps sent a little my way?

Done Lesley. If it produces seed some of it is yours.

Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: GordonT on June 14, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
After almost a year of silence from my end, I am back at home (house renovation 90% finished)! Martin and I have been feverishly at work - doing our best to eradicate the chickweed and sheep sorrel that invaded the gardens last season. My testing of Pacific coast iris for winter hardiness continues, and the first to bloom this year have been the species Iris innominata
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 and an open pollinated seedling of Iris innominata x Iris tenax
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I am a bit ruthless about testing for winter hardiness. Many in my neck of the woods would cover these plants with straw or fir boughs to help them evade the worst of winter chills, but I have purposely let them weather the full effects of the season, only going so far as to plant them on the southern lee side of rocks in the landscape. Both of these plants have steadily expanded over the past few years, withstanding some winter temperatures that dropped to -25C in 2014-15. Last winter was mild by comparison, so the display was great over the past two weeks.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 17, 2016, 09:10:14 PM
Two more beardless Iris are in flower here, the first is I. versicolor, had this plant for years and it never fails to please, the next one is one I have grown from seed, I. tenax I didn't expect flowers so soon, but it's surprised me with a single bloom.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on June 17, 2016, 09:14:58 PM
Nice to see you back, Gordon - first things first ..... how is the dog?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 18, 2016, 08:19:19 AM
I think I'm becoming paranoid about iris names. I wonder John, if maybe you mean tenax (not tenet)? Tenax is a species from the Pacific Coast of North America and like so many of those it hybridizes with the other species in the section. However, I'm also thinking that your second picture above doesn't really look like tenax, particularly the foliage which looks longer, thinner, finer than other PCs. I can't think what else it might be though. Where was your seed from?
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 18, 2016, 09:34:00 AM
Hi Lesley I bought it from a local nursery Iris tenax. Ignore any spelling mistakes it's this predictive spelling on this iPad and I can't turn it off.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 18, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
Hi Lesley I've just been on the Pacific bulb society website and looked up the pci section, the tenax look grassy on the pictures like mine does, take a look and see what you think.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on June 18, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
First flower on Iris goniocarpa 5 years after seeding.  :D
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 18, 2016, 05:56:42 PM
Loverly Iris Luc
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 18, 2016, 05:57:33 PM
Luc, I'm very jealous!  I've tried I. goniocarpa twice without germination.  Any trick you can pass on?

Very beautiful!

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Roma on June 18, 2016, 11:35:24 PM
Iris setosa from Magadan.  It has plenty flowers but has been a bit battered with the heavy rain we had for a few days.  Iris setosa from Alaska has only one miserable bud this year.  Both flowered well last year and set lots of seed.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 19, 2016, 02:36:27 AM
I think you are right John, and I'm wrong. Sorry to mislead you. :)

That is a beautiful form of setosa Roma. Such a wide variation within that species, being just about circumpolar as it is. Your white markings are lovely and lively.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 19, 2016, 11:13:13 AM
It's ok Lesley were all human and make mistakes, I've made loads on here and folk have pointed them out. All a learning curve.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Regelian on June 19, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
Lesley, John,
I've raised quite a few I. tenax from collected seed and find the leaves can vary in width. The species is noted for its tough leaves, however.  Most are not as wide as I. douglasiana and never as thin as I. thompsonii. As the species, like most of the PCIs are defined in swarms, all being more or less closely related, it may be impossible to find truly homogenous genomes. Intergration and segregation over millenia being the means of speciation for this group. There is quite a bit of info at the Pacific Coast Native Iris Society.

http://www.pacificcoastiris.org/ (http://www.pacificcoastiris.org/)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 19, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
Hi Jamie thanks for getting in touch and for the link, lots of great information on there.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on June 20, 2016, 01:24:15 PM
Luc, I'm very jealous!  I've tried I. goniocarpa twice without germination.  Any trick you can pass on?

Very beautiful!

Jamie

Hi Jamie, it was pure luck I guess, I sowed it as I do with all other species, standard mix of sand and commercial seeding compost - the seed was from Vojtech Holubec and just 1 germinated... fortunately it survived and made it to flowering size.  Hope this is the start of a long and happy life  :D
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 21, 2016, 07:06:16 PM
Two more Iris in bloom here the first is the dark flowered I. Chrysographes and the second is a new species for me I. Hookeri, a loverly little Iris and a great edition to my collection.

Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Roma on June 22, 2016, 11:07:18 PM
Iris setosa white form
Iris chrysographes black form
Two self sown seedlings - one forrestii and one chrysographes - or hybrids :-\
Another Iris ?chrysographes
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Roma on June 22, 2016, 11:12:06 PM
Irises forrestii or hybrids
3 different yellows and one mauve
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: ashley on June 22, 2016, 11:20:41 PM
Beautiful irises Roma.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Roma on June 22, 2016, 11:26:24 PM
Thank you, Ashley.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 23, 2016, 12:14:40 AM
Super clump of I. forrestii Roma. It must be a few years old by now. I think the three yellows may all be forrestii, showing the variation that's possible. Certainly the 2 paler ones are. The stitching on the third is very attractive and so is the hybrid. And I really like the mixed up clump of forrestii and chrysographes (possibly a hybrid with forrestii but I'm beginning to think that unless in a botanical collection, it doesn't really matter. They're all lovely.

John, here I am being a pain again. I think your hookeri is straight I. setosa in a more usual form. What we grow as hookeri is I. setosa hookeri (also grown as setosa nana or setosa arctica quite often) and is a much lower, more compact plant, the stems only to about 25cms. The "usual" setosa has wider leaves like yours and will flower at about 50-80cms, but there are so many different forms of this species, like Roma's lovely white. I have a white but with falls only half the width of Roma's so that it looks thin and almost mean.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 23, 2016, 02:28:37 AM
Hi Lesley your not been a pain at all, I had to admit when I saw it flower I did wonder myself if it was a setosa, now you have confirmed it. It is annoying though when you buy a plant thinking it's one thing and it turns out to be something else.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 23, 2016, 02:43:32 AM
John I'll have seed of the little hookeri  but not until our summer, maybe 6-7 months. If you still would like it then, I'll sent some.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on June 23, 2016, 07:56:30 AM
Hi Lesley that would be great thank you
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 23, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
I'll make a note in my little black book. Send me your postal address in a PM John.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on July 13, 2016, 09:46:24 PM
Iris ensata rose queen in flower, this loverly little Iris gets better every year.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 14, 2016, 08:36:45 AM
A really nice clump John. To my mind, this one and others of similar shape, have the lovliest form of all the Japanese irises. The big so-called doubles and 6 petalled forms are undoubtedly spectacular, but the simplicity of this form wins for me.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnstephen29 on July 14, 2016, 03:40:23 PM
I quite agree Lesley, I've had it a few years now and it never fails to please me every year. I rate it one of my favourite Iris.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 23, 2016, 09:07:50 AM
Not the best form, but the only one we have of Iris unguicularis "Alba"
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: vanozzi on August 03, 2016, 02:58:49 AM
Japanese iris 2015 seedlings, over half should have first flowers this year.And 2016 seedlings just beginning to germinate.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on August 03, 2016, 11:26:14 AM
Just got a few, then, Paul??!!  8) :o 8)
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: vanozzi on August 03, 2016, 11:52:11 AM
The more seedlings I flower Maggi, the more I am encouraged to keep pollinating.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on August 03, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
That's understandable!   A pleasurable and productive pastime!
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: vanozzi on August 05, 2016, 12:57:35 AM
For those that prefer singles.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on August 05, 2016, 09:49:03 AM
Lovely Iris shots Paul.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 03, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
Two brown Dutch Iris in flower today (so of course they had to be cross pollinated ;D )
Autumn Princess is a new one that we got from Jon (mini bulb lover); it looks a lot browner that it appears in the pics;
Thunderbolt is an older hybrid which is marked yellow in bud;
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 04, 2016, 11:55:48 AM
The Iris unguicularis season has begun - must be winter.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on December 04, 2016, 06:43:21 PM
You're up and running before me this year Ralph.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: Alan_b on December 05, 2016, 12:26:14 AM
I see your Iris unguicularis and raise you a few more:
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The colour contrast between the two forms is more striking in life than it is in the photographs.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 11, 2016, 03:57:47 AM
This is an iris which I think is Iris halophila (syn I.spuria ssp halophila) as I got it as I. albertii which it isn't!
It has a peculiar habit of flowering in mid-spring on short stems and a few weeks later sending up taller stems!
These are the later flowers
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: arilnut on December 11, 2016, 02:48:54 PM
Hi Fermi.  Could also be carthaliniae .

John B
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on December 14, 2016, 03:47:03 PM
Here's my first of the season Iris unguicularis. Last year I pictured it on 17 October.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: ashley on December 14, 2016, 04:44:04 PM
Your signage is working well David ;) ;D
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on December 14, 2016, 06:44:10 PM
Funnily enough Ashley they don't seem to bother the Irises, just concentrate on everything else.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 25, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
Flowering on Christmas Day, Iris unguicularis.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: vanozzi on December 26, 2016, 01:48:53 AM
Two new Japanese iris seedlings flowering first time this year, both keepers.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 26, 2016, 06:38:07 AM
Definitely worth keeping, Paul.
What were the parents like?
Have you tried crossing them with I.pseudacorus to raise the "eye shadow" types?
I only have one at present, 'Kinboshi' and this morning it had 4 blooms open at once - and then the rain started! But fortunately the flowers held up to the weather, at least long enough to take a couple more pics,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: vanozzi on December 28, 2016, 04:52:57 AM
Fermi, these are the parents of the above seedlings, crossed both ways.The blue stripe effect seems to be a dominant pattern, or at least in my seedlings.The parent with the blue stripe has rather narrow petals which I wish to ''broaden out.''
I am not fond of kimboschi due to its anemic looking petals, but do like the new ''eye shadow'' types. I've been unsuccessful with that line.I've only used pseudacorus ''sweet charm'' so far.Not enough energy or time I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Iris, non-bearded 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 28, 2016, 06:47:02 AM
...The parent with the blue stripe has rather narrow petals which I wish to ''broaden out.''

Well, your seedling certainly looks "fuller" so you are succeeding!
Does I. pseudacorus flower concurrently with these or do you have to save the pollen?
I've only seen "single" eye-shadow types, I wonder if they will develop "doubles"?
cheers
fermi
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