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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: chris on January 04, 2016, 07:44:12 PM
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here the most of the Hellebores are in flower
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and some nice doubles
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very nice
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It is not normal here to see any hellebore in bloom. They start here in April and the leaves are completely brown. This year is so different. Most of them still have green leaves and several have produced flowers with many buds formed deep in the center. Does this mean there will be no bloom in the spring??
1. Helleborus 'Pink Teacup'
2. Helleborus niger
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Beautiful, each of them and so much variation.
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Many helleborus are in bloom here too. Hybrids, mainly.
But Helleborus purpurascens has also opened its flowers... two months early! :o
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Just noticed yesterday morning the flowers have gone off my early Helleborus niger. Roe deer - they will eat anything >:(
There are lots of buds on two later flowering plants. I do have wire hanging baskets covering them as they are on a squirrel pathway and under the bird seed feeder so were being trampled.
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Just after my work i visited Thierry Delabroye and almost met Ruben who just leaved.
again a nice batch of flowers and colors
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even more Helleborus hybrids
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some nice color's tones
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not always easy to photography and render justice to the beautiful flowers
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even more Helleborus hybrids
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which one to bring back at home? 221 was given as gift 8)
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even more Helleborus hybrids
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never enough of these beauties
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it was a bit dark during 1/2h...
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and windy....
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even more Helleborus hybrids, 246 is now in my garden ;D
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Paeonia like
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Outside gale but i was able to shot some plants such as this Ranunculus montanus
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Superbe!! How one would choose between these plants is beyond me - I would never be able to make a choice without spending a fortune - so many gems.
http://www.mytho-fleurs.com/les_vivaces_de_sandrine_et_thierry.htm (http://www.mytho-fleurs.com/les_vivaces_de_sandrine_et_thierry.htm)
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Brilliant show Yann. Thanks for taking the time to post them.
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Each year it's a colors festival, here're 2 more plants inside the kitchen ;)
They're not for public sales and are used as mother plants for next pollination sessions. I was lucky to receive them as gift.
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Your gifted plants are gorgeous! Lucky man!
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You are indeed a lucky man! They are all so beautiful, thanks for showing.
Would I get a gift if I would come and take pictures? I will be happy enough with something like 231 and one like your 246 ;D
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I not only took pictures but also bought other plants. I know Thierry for a long time now and we trade plants friendly.
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It is hard to imagine how you still have place for new plants in your garden!
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Still have few holes to fill, but yes my urban garden is small. Hopefully i now grow bulbs and seedlings pots in a small piece of land an 90'old woman lend me, 300m from the house. I'm still looking a bigger land but it's really too expensive in the area.
In the south of the country i own a dry land that let me multiply bulbs but i can control what's happen there each week. In the southern country side the land is 10 to 15x less expensive than in north.
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Gabriela i'm sure sending living plants to Canada needs phyto, quiet expensive, that's a shame.
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Still have few holes to fill, but yes my urban garden is small. Hopefully i now grow bulbs and seedlings pots in a small piece of land an 90'old woman lend me, 300m from the house. I'm still looking a bigger land but it's really too expensive in the area.
In the south of the country i own a dry land that let me multiply bulbs but i can control what's happen there each week. In the southern country side the land is 10 to 15x less expensive than in north.
That explains the so many pots you show, full of those little cute, bulbous plants!
And yes, I mean no, sending/receiving living plants it's too crazily expensive. Seeds and images :)
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Yann,
What an interesting and delightful selection of Helleborus. We have nothing like this in our area. We have kinda' light and very dark, with of few pinks in between. Nothing like what you have shown. :)
Thank you for sharing the photographs. It is inspirational. I even went out in the rain to see how our Helleborus are doing. Very dormant! No sign of any growth at all. Our plants certainly react to our climatic conditions differently than yours.
We rarely get extremely cold here in our part of California, however in an average winter the plants behave as though the climate was much colder. But then plants survive... I just found a Rhododendron commonae that I left out in the frost. I know that it is one of the few "hardy" Vireya Rhododendrons but it seems very happy enduring what for it must be cold temperatures.
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A selection of fantastic hellebores from all contributors.
Down under we are 4-5 months away from our flowering season but this summer I have had more than a few plants in bloom, mostly doubles.
A question, assuming I was starting from scratch and was looking for apricot shaded flowers what would the best parents to use ?
As a colour apricot is achieved by mixing yellow and red, there are now yellows that approach daffodil yellow but no true red hellebores. This may explain the absence of deep apricot shades, although there is a French nursery that seems to have bred a true apricot.
Hope someone can provide feedback. While I have some apricot shades they are always predominantly primrose as the main colour with a tingle of apricot which does intensify as the flowers age.
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Yann, I visited on monday and was once again astonished by the wonderfull variety of Hellebores he grows...he has become one of the (if not THE) best Hellebore hybridisers in Europe. I heard that he started many years ago with seeds and young plants from Maurice Vergote (the godfather of modern gardening in Belgium, he has educated a whole lot of nursery-men and women during the last half century in Belgium), who taught him what to cross to get new colours.
Anyhow: I brought the two below from him.
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Two beauties, Wim ;) I visited his nursery some years ago and I didn't know what I have to choose among all these nice forms and colours
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Two beauties, Wim ;) I visited his nursery some years ago and I didn't know what I have to choose among all these nice forms and colours
Yes, you feel like a kid in a candy shop ;)
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Yann and Wim, those are wonderful Hellebores!
Do you know if Thierry sells ever seeds?
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Yann and Wim, those are wonderful Hellebores!
Do you know if Thierry sells ever seeds?
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so. Maybe Yann will know for sure!
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Yann and Wim, those are wonderful Hellebores!
Do you know if Thierry sells ever seeds?
Totally agree! All of them gorgeous.
Selling seeds - It would be too good to be true...
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Yann - we need about fifty or sixty of those hellebores for this area we have just cleared under the apple trees! ;) I've seen some pictures on Facebook too, amazing range of colour and form. There are fine growers in Japan and N. America as well and a really good book on them published by Timber Press (Hellebores - A Comprehensive Guide, C. Colston Burrell & Judith Knott Tyler). Seed would be good but it still takes three or four years to get a strong flowering sized plant.
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(PS: would also like to grow some of their epimediums!!)
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Neither seeds nor seedlings are sold.
Tim if you wanna populate your woodland i think you should think up a nice budget ::)
If a few hybrids are of interest i can bring some pots to the next AGS show.
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I think you are right Yann! We will go slowly but I must try to cross the channel and visit the Delabroye nursery sometime - too much happens here in the spring though...
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This Welsh Nursery has some lovely hellebores - and I think they have some pretty seedlings for sale from this sort of stock.... http://farmyardnurseries.co.uk/ (http://farmyardnurseries.co.uk/) Llandysul SA44 4RL
They had posted these photos on Facebook " bicoloured Hellebores... some to look forward to, available now as seedlings and seed, flowering plants next year "
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Desirable plants ;) I think I'll order seeds
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Very beautiful. Thanks for posting Maggi. I don't know when you have time to take the tour on all these Facebook pages! :) ???
I am trying to stay away.
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Poor health and insomnia can have some advantages, Gabriela .
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Maggi, those are really wonderful hellebores, especially the third one.
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I liked the first one best :D
The same place has some great "apricot" shades too. #sigh# I have a real weak spot for hellebores but the Boss has made me promise not to get any more - something about no space...... :-X :'(
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Poor health and insomnia can have some advantages, Gabriela .
Oh dear! Not many I imagine.
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Damn few, Ralph! But I'm still here, and I hope, being useful!
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I liked the first one best :D
The same place has some great "apricot" shades too. #sigh# I have a real weak spot for hellebores but the Boss has made me promise not to get any more - something about no space...... :-X :'(
If there weren't so many Erythronium growing like weeds all over the place... :-X
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That is precisely the situation, Matt! There is always room for more Erys, I've noticed.
It's a wonder I've managed to sneak in the number of hellebores I have - that and the paeonies! ::) :-X
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Poor health and insomnia can have some advantages, Gabriela .
Very sorry to hear about this Maggi. It is certainly to our benefit :-\
My favourite is also the first one, but who know what comes out by seed...
It's a wonder I've managed to sneak in the number of hellebores I have - that and the paeonies! ::) :-X
Well, since the Erys are going dormant at some point and the garden has to look good year long, what else could you do? ;)
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I agree- who knows what one might get from seed - waiting for seedling to flower is like waiting to open presents!
I'll be telling the Bulb Despot about your understanding of my scheme!
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:)
About presents, keep in mind that once in a while you get exactly what you wished for!
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Ashwood Nurseries, Gift Shop and Tea Room
Hellebore Tours Tomorrow!
"Come and join us on Saturday 13th February for a unique opportunity to ‘go behind the scenes’ and discover the fascinating story behind our award-winning hellebores.
Fully guided tours operate between 10:15-2:30pm
(Duration approx 1 hour)
No need to book, just turn up…
Tickets will be available on the day from the advice desk in the garden shop £2.50 each.
All proceeds donated to our Charity of the Year 2016,
High Flyers | Wombourne, Staffordshire " https://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/ (https://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/)
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Helleborus Event in Ireland - thanks to Carl Dacus for the note
Helleborus Days, Special Weekend at Mount Venus Nursery
27th & 28th Feb. 2016
11am - 4pm
http://www.mountvenusnursery.com/MVN/SpecialDays33.html (http://www.mountvenusnursery.com/MVN/SpecialDays33.html)
Mount Venus Nursery
Walled Garden
Mutton Lane
Rathfarnham
Dublin 16
Phone : 01 4933813
mountvenusnursery@gmail.com
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In my garden today
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one more
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Very good double, how old are the plants?
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Most of the hellebores are between 2 and 6 years old, the majority from seed,
a lot from ashwoods bought and sown over several years, but this is my new house
that I've only had since September, so they were moved and appear to have survived,
but I've still got another 40 to move, and I haven't moved
any named snowdrops yet, the garden is full of nettles and weeds so it's taking time
to clear areas before I can plant. It's very damp soil, with a stream, the soil seems
quite forgiving, I've moved 20 camellias this week and I think they will recover,
fingers crossed.
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Relocating to a new garden is always a challenge as in many cases the old garden houses a collection of plants that have adapted to conditions and many do not thank us when we relocate them to a new garden. Suspect the camellias were of a good size so good to hear that have settled into their new home.
When we relocated I moved my hellebores in the middle of summer, not a smart thing as the temperatures at the time were low 30's degrees, Celsius that is. However we had to be out of the old home by a certain date and the new owners were not of a mind to allow us to return to remove the plants in autumn. Needless to say there were the inevitable casualties and many old favourites left behind..
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Hold on, Bernadette! I moved about 750 plants including a dozen hellebores (duly repotted all along the 6 previous months) in july 2005, and have only lost 2 or 3 of them (and no hellebore)! They were replanted in a damp clayish soil, and even if many took 2 to 3 years to recover completely, and it was very hard work to prepare them and keep them alive until the new garden was ready, I never regretted the effort!
Three of my (new) favourites this year:
- a dainty double from Ashwood
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- a lovely red anemone centered, with lighter colour in the center, gradualy darkening to nearly black at the tip of the petals, both inside and outside (the pictures don't do it full justice), from Delabroye origin,
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- and a double "slaty blue", form Pepinière de la Thyle origin.
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The new house is having work done on it so I've got several months
of still being able to take things from my old house before I put it up
for sale, to be honest I had so much crammed in there a lot of it needed
pulling up, as there wasn't room for them to grow to full size,
but there are so many things if I don't take I'll never come across them
again. Plus things, like hellebores grown from seeds, until they've flowered
you can't be sure you've taken the most eye catching.
Last week I had some sleepers delivered and I'm going to have a raised bed to
use as a temporary holding bay for things I'm not sure what to do with!
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You have 2 of my most liked double forms, picotee and slate blue.
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Last week I had some sleepers delivered and I'm going to have a raised bed to
use as a temporary holding bay for things I'm not sure what to do with!
...and snowdrops? :-*
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A few hellebores flowering now
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...and snowdrops? :-*
Sorry Brian only just read that, of course!
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Don't tell her I said so but some of my wife's hellebores are not that bad looking:
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Don't tell her I said so but some of my wife's hellebores are not that bad looking:
They are undoubtedly very nice Steve but it has to be said that the photographer has made the very best of them.
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Many will be aware of Judith Knott Tyler, either from her book, mentioned earlier on this very page, or from her nursery Pine Knot Farm where she had great success, along with her husband Dick - who took all the photos for ther talks etc. I'm sorry to bring the very sad news that Judith has died. - this from Dick and their family:
To All the Friends of Judith Knott Tyler,
Earlier this week Judith was diagnosed with an aggressive cancer. It was impossible to treat, and earlier today Judy passed away. We know this will come as a shock to many people since most did not even know she was sick. What started two weeks ago as a case of pneumonia has led to a place none of us could have imagined.
Judy first went to the hospital for the pneumonia, and that’s when we learned of the existence of growths in her lungs. She came home to finish recovering before further tests would be done. Last weekend we had to take her back to the hospital for breathing difficulties. As she was being treated, she had a number of scans performed. It was Wednesday evening when we learned the nature of her cancer and that she only had days left. During the entire last week in the hospital, Judy was sedated. She felt no pain. Even amidst the chaos of the past few days, Judy died peacefully surrounded by family.
Judy touched many lives and her loss is felt by many. We are all joined in grieving for such a wonderful person. Over the next few days the family asks for some privacy. There will be a private Celebration of Life for Judy.
The Family of Judith Knott Tyler
Such very sad new.
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A shock to learn of Judith's death. I had many e mail conversations with her on hellebores a genus she was total fascinated by and had received seed gifts from the Tyler's. Her partnership with Dick was on an equal footing and while Dick focused on breeding it was Judith who spread the hellebore message.
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The Helleborus x hybridus are pretty much at their best just now.
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Mine are well over Ralph.
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Colder here, David.
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They have just started here.
These two seedlings flower for the first time.
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Very pretty.
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Both would tick all my boxes, origin?
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Lovely. Is it unrealistic to expect flowers from 2 years old seedlings of H. x hybridus?
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Unusual but under ideal growing conditions, nutrients and a vigorous plant possible. For me 3 years post germination is the norm for hybridus seedlings, niger a year earlier.
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Yes, 3 years after germination is my experience, too. The mother plant to my two seedlings came from Ashwoods and looks like the one in the second photo.
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Thank you all. The first signs of spring are making me impatient. I got the seeds from someone who hybridized double purples, with H. torquatus in the blood line, so I have great expectations!
What else I would really like to know is if there is a way to hurry up H. purpurascens - the seedlings seem to remain at the cotyledons stage for ever ::)
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Sorry but in my experience species are always much slower to flower than hybridus (is influenced by species seedling vigour), the closer the cross is to a species the more likely flowering will be delayed. I am of the opinion that early breeders may well have selected for early flowering but the need for this diminished over time.
Niger is very quick to flower, thibetanus very very slow.
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It's been a bit of a disaster year for me as far as Hellebores are concerned. Given the very wet Autumn, carried through an even wetter winter I didn't get to remove the leaves at all. The rain spoilt the flowers and the wind decimated the plants. I have one plant though that is always the last to flower and seems to be in pretty good nick. This is the one:-
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Very nice, David.
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David
Great double, like the sepal shape and abundance, can I ask of its provenance?
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David
Great double, like the sepal shape and abundance, can I ask of its provenance?
Sorry Jeff, haven't a clue.
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Sorry but in my experience species are always much slower to flower than hybridus (is influenced by species seedling vigour), the closer the cross is to a species the more likely flowering will be delayed. I am of the opinion that early breeders may well have selected for early flowering but the need for this diminished over time.
Niger is very quick to flower, thibetanus very very slow.
Thank you Jeff. I was referring to the fact that it takes a very long time for H. purpurascens to develop the first true leaves; I can imagine how long it will be until flowering.
David - a super nice double flowered specimen! It would be interesting to raise some seedlings; you may never know what else will show up from such beautiful parent :)
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Gunilla's picotee is very nice, and I have similar flower also from Ashwood seeds.
And I love David's double plant. :)
This is a time when Helleborus seeds are germinating here. I sowed H.liguricus from fresh seeds in summer 2014 and for some reason they germinated only now. Perhaps they needed two winters like H.thibetanus?
Also seeds sown in January 2015 started to germinate outside in late December, but then came winter, and now that the frost is melting from the ground, the seedlings continue to develop and more to germinate :). These were seeds from New Zealand and France.
Fresh seeds sown last summer (Onyx Odyssey and Lotus Queen and some others) started to germinate also in December, and continue now.
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Very fond of hellebores, but they don't really give their best up here in our wet and windy climate - in particular black spot can ruin the display of flowers. Here are two that seem to do well though:
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I think this black one is a Will McLewin seedling. It's not very vigorous but always looks great.
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This double picotee is a Harvington one from my local garden centre. Sorry about the blurry photo, it was a windy day here today.
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Nice dark and double as well.
Growth rates/vigour does vary greatly with species being the slowest. Also great variation amongst seeds collected for a dedicated hand pollinated seed pod. Will's seeds are probably from OP plants which will avoid the possibility of reduction in vigour often found with intensive in line breeding.
Botrytis is an issue for me during flowering, have found that removal of all leaves does help but not always 100% successful. Not found an effective fungicide spray for this. Annoying to make a cross only to find it fails due to fungal decay.
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The first Helleborus flowering here is H.multifidus. The first picture is of a plant I have grown from seed ex seeds, and the second is a plant which was grown from wild collected seeds. The latter has bigger flowers but both have similar leaves which are deciduous and both start to flower very early.
In the third picture are H.x hybridus, coming up.
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Hellebores badly hit this year - no snow, unseasonable warmth and then temperatures crashing well below zero. Many buds were killed. Helleborus 'Rose Quartz' is a nice one.
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That is a lovely Helleborus. :)
I'm happy that I have it as just germinated seedlings, so perhaps after three years I will have it flowering.
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These self-sown Helleborus argutifolius are right next to the road, but they seem happy.
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a few species foliage pictures, hercegovinus & torquatus growing on my allotment.
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Very nice, Peter.
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These self-sown Helleborus argutifolius are right next to the road, but they seem happy.
It's almost a weed in my garden but is popular with bees in search of early pollen.
Fine looking plants Peter.
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Leena how old is your multifidus?
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Peter
What is the soil type at the allotment? The plants are definitely very healthy, was wondering about drainage as herco does seem to require good drainage to grow well.
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Hellebores badly hit this year - no snow, unseasonable warmth and then temperatures crashing well below zero. Many buds were killed. Helleborus 'Rose Quartz' is a nice one.
Same here, together with a few other things; it was horrible. Glad the Rose Quartz made it!
Nice foliage all the others and indeed Ashley, all are popular with the early bees. H. 'Cherry Blossom' a week ago with bee :) and today.
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And H. x ericsmithii 'Winter Moonbeam' - some buy it for the foliage, others for the flowers. Myself, I like it after flowering, it reminds of H. purpurascens. Good replacement until my seedlings grow up.
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I also admire the foliage of Peter's Hellebores!
Leena how old is your multifidus?
The green one (from wild collected seeds) was sown in 2010 and it flowered last year the first time, but the bed where it grows is perhaps too dry.
The pale purple one from Swedish seed exchange was sown in 2012 and it flowered now the first time.
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The multifidus subsp hercegovinus plants are now 4 years old and hoping they will flower next year , the soil has excellent drainage a bit sandy but was double dug with a good layer of manure , I give a top dress of calcified seaweed and they love it .
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Hi Helleborus friends ,
I have offered before some day fresh seeds of Helleborus siculus but until now no interest :-\
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14347.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14347.0)
It would be really a shame to give it in the dust bin :o
and it makes no sense to wait for the seed Exchange in fall
Hans
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Hi Hans
I will take some please send me a PM.
Regards
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Hi Helleborus friends ,
I have offered before some day fresh seeds of Helleborus siculus but until now no interest :-\
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14347.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14347.0)
It would be really a shame to give it in the dust bin :o
and it makes no sense to wait for the seed Exchange in fall
Hans
I'm also interested, I saw your post about them but only couple of days later and I thought for sure the seeds were already gone by then so that's why I didn't write.
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Hello Jeff ,hello Leena
your package with the wished seeds are underway ...good luck with sowing :)
I still have 90 seeds ;D
Best wishes
Hans
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Warm enough this afternoon to spend a couple hours in the garden cutting back Helleborus foliage as a small number are in bloom.
One of the messy looking beds before hand .
Plants cut back and light mulch applied .
The bamboo stakes are an aid to identify where Trillium's are planted however I had an uneasy feeling I was stepping on a number of T. seedlings so in the spring once growth is away I'll need to look at the placement of a few stepping stones so I can weed the bed without disturbing plants...... ::)
Even though I try to ensure I cut all seedpods each season , I sometimes miss a few and so seedlings do appear ..... >:(
Cheers Dave.
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Just completed removal old leaves from garden plants, budding up now advanced and some are opening. Flowering season a bit late this year as is germination of 2015 seeds. Been very warm for winter with day temps about 6+ above normal for this time of year. Not good for over wintering aphids etc.
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Just completed removal old leaves from garden plants, budding up now advanced and some are opening. Flowering season a bit late this year as is germination of 2015 seeds. Been very warm for winter with day temps about 6+ above normal for this time of year. Not good for over wintering aphids etc.
Yes aphids on a number of plants here as well .I think there have only been 3 ground frosts that have reached our woodland setting .
Where are you situated Jeff --North or South Island ?.
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Wairarapa
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From a cross or a single pale lightly spotted single with a double primrose (only had 2 rows of sepals), took 4 generations to arrive at these.
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Flowering season late this year along with germination of last years seed.
This is the double used for the previous cross, not that attractive shape but does seem to be good for using to achieve primrose doubles..
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From a cross or a single pale lightly spotted single with a double primrose (only had 2 rows of sepals), took 4 generations to arrive at these.
Nice Jeff ----4 generations , so that's 12 years plus ?........
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Yes as it took it took 3 generations to get the parental double.
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Helleborus niger is starting.
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I noticed that I hadn't posted pictures of my Hellebores last spring, so here are some of the ones I liked the most.
The first is H.niger, this one always flowers late in the spring opposed to some which show their flowers already in December (if there is no frost or snow).
All the other pictures are H.x hybridus. Pictures are from the beginning of May 2016.
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Some more.
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Two more, these flowered for the first time last spring.
I like the first one, and the second is the best of the doubles (or semidouble) which I have. The other ones have too drooping flowers for my taste. I think this one was nicer. :)
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They are very pretty your hellébores, Leena. In my garden, they do not succeed too well. I do not know why.
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The main reason why hellebores fail to flourish as garden plants is usually poor drainage. They will tolerate most soil types with the exception of heavy clay.
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I noticed that I hadn't posted pictures of my Hellebores last spring, so here are some of the ones I liked the most.
The first is H.niger, this one always flowers late in the spring opposed to some which show their flowers already in December (if there is no frost or snow).
All the other pictures are H.x hybridus. Pictures are from the beginning of May 2016.
Wonderful Hellebores, Corydalis and other spring flowers - what a dream Leena.
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Thanks, they are my favourites, too.
I agree with Jeff about soil where to grow Hellebores. Mine grow in woodland beds with plenty of humus (and no clay) and where there is no chance of waterlogging. Maybe I'm just lucky to have found the place where they like to grow. :)