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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: johnstephen29 on January 03, 2016, 07:08:31 PM
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Another great start to the new year, two massonia's in flower here with me. The first is M. Tenella, I got this from Paul, last autumn I think it was. It's a great little plant with a slight scent. The second plant is M. Pustulata, another new plant for me, also has a faint scent. Both also have the little bumps on the leaves which none of my other massonia's have so far. Great additions to my collection.
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Very nice John
this Massonia tenella is from the same source originally from Nieuwoudtville but it bloomed a mouth ago outside in a fish box of sand and pumice that was brought inside when the temps went too far below freezing. the leaves seem to lay more flat under bright light. the inside temps are about 60F with a fan on when the lights are one, and about 50F when dark. it bloomed white but faded to pink. i wonder if it is self fertile. i have kept it away from there other massonias so i don get hybrid seeds.
the second picture is from 23 Nov 2015, the flowers look different from yours,
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Hi rimmer you are right the flowers are different, I have no doubt that we both have tenella as I trust Paul who I bought it off and I know he wouldn't dream of pulling a fast one as we say over here. I wonder and I'm just guessing on this, you had yours in a fish box and I have mine in a small pot, would that have made a difference? Yours had more space to grow than mine? Yours looks a lot larger plant.
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Massonia pustulata: the second image taken when the flowers had fully opened.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1640/23798560283_3965c9e3b4_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1613/24057555889_ecbcb083f8_b.jpg)
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Great photos Steve of a superb plant.
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Massonia have been good this year, collection has grown this year due to a generous friend.
Hans J this is for you, thanks.
Angie :)
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Compact and very nice!
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Great plant Angie
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Angela, the plant is lovely - but your photo is really super - that low angle shows the shape beautifully and it looks like a wee sculpture.
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A wonderful plant Angie and, as Maggi says, beautifully shown 8)
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Thanks, I just love them. I forgot to put the name of this sweet Massonia it's
Massonia bakeriana . Such a wonderful gift from special forum friend.
Angie :)
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Two Massonias up this month, 1 M. saniensis from Paul C.'s seed and 2 M. wittebergensis, likely from him as well. The latter I mistakenly sowed one autumn but managed to shift it back to the correct growing season.
johnw
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Here's a Massonia sp. from Hans, sown August 2011, and flowering for the first time. Alas, the snails have had a munch. :'(
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Anthony at least they left the flower :D
Angie :)
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My snail eaten unknown Massonia has opened all its flowers now.
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My snail eaten unknown Massonia has opened all its flowers now.
The snail never came back then. Enjoy your Massonia .
Angie :)
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No. Put the pots on the twilweld mesh covering the tortoise enclosure. They would have to be tight rope walkers to reach them. ;D
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No. Put the pots on the twilweld mesh covering the tortoise enclosure. They would have to be tight rope walkers to reach them. ;D
;D ;D ;D
Angie :)
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Massonia jasminiflora, which is very like my unknown species.
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Massonia jasminiflora, which is very like my unknown species.
Very nice Anthony.
Angie 😀
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Massonia depressa in bloom in a pot in the shade-house
cheers
fermi
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Massonia depressa in bloom in a pot in the shade-house
cheers
fermi
Aren't they so lovely 8)
Angie :)
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The two subspecies of Massonia pygmaea. (ssp pygmaea with hairy leaves, ssp kamiesbergensis with smooth leaves)
I often wonder about the status of these two. They flower at the same time but leaves and habit are quite different (ssp kamiesbergensis flowers when the leaves are still emerging, ssp pygmaea when they are mostly expanded). They do both have the diagnostic feature of two sets of 3 stamens of differing lengths, yes, but in my plants one ssp has a style longer than the stamens, whereas in the other it is shorter.
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Darren I couldn't agree more and I personally think these are two different species. Do you - or anyone else - have a good English version of the original description of M. pygmaea? I have a very rough translation of the original Latin. If I have understood it correctly it describes the leaves as glabrous (without hairs). On this character alone, the ssp kamiesbergensis would be nearer the true pygmaea leaving the other hairy/pustulate plant as a new undescribed species? That's just a guess. I'll see if I can find out any more from the botanists working on this genus.
Paul
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Glad you agree Paul, and I'd be very interested to hear your findings. I don't have a good description either.
I recently did a dissection with a view to illustrating both as I'm working on a series of paintings of the genus. I had originally thought to illustrate both on one sheet but became so convinced whilst working that it was only a matter of time before they were separated that I changed my mind.
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Massonia jasminiflora grown from seed from Hans J.
Massonia pustulata the seed of which I think came originally from Darren
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Massonia pustulata from seed from Arnold
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Massonia tenella, from Paul Cumbleton.
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Massonia tenella, from Nieuwoudtville, just opening. And 2 photos from a day later.
last photo, a few more days on.
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Massonia jasminiflora grown from seed from Hans J.
These are such lovely plants. Does jasminiflora have the scent implied in the name?
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here are some pics from another interesting Massonia :
Massonia spec. Roggeveld
Those both plants have I received from a nice friend :D
He has grown it from seeds ex Silverhill ...
We are not 100% sure if that are the same plants which are descriptet in PHYTOTAXA as Massoia roggeveldensis ...
Hans
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These are such lovely plants. Does jasminiflora have the scent implied in the name?
no that I can detect but it might be too cold for any to be produced.
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Thanks Tony - am I right in remembering that Massonia are pollinated by rodents?
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Wow some lovely Massonia there. Mine are all happily growing so thanks friends for sharing these wonderful plants, aren't they so cute.
Angie :)
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Massonia depressa from NARGS seed in bloom now
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Massonia echinata from NARGS seed on bloom now.
This is the second year to bloom from a spring 2013 sowing and the leaves are now quite large.
In the past there have been discussions of hybridization in this species. Does thos look like the named species ?
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Massonia echinata from seeds collected in Bredasdorp
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Massonia depressa from NARGS seed in bloom now
Wow, Rimmer,
a great selection! Were they all from one packet of seed?
cheersfermi
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Wow, Rimmer,
a great selection! Were they all from one packet of seed?
cheersfermi
For the Massonia echinata one packet had about a dozen seeds that made seedlings that looked all the same but some are bigger than others.
For The Massonia depressa only one plant of the 10 or so seedlings looked anything like M depressa.
These 10 pots are what I kept from the 2013 seeds of M depressa and echinata and there is one purple M pustulata in there.
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The two subspecies of Massonia pygmaea. (ssp pygmaea with hairy leaves, ssp kamiesbergensis with smooth leaves)
I often wonder about the status of these two. They flower at the same time but leaves and habit are quite different (ssp kamiesbergensis flowers when the leaves are still emerging, ssp pygmaea when they are mostly expanded). They do both have the diagnostic feature of two sets of 3 stamens of differing lengths, yes, but in my plants one ssp has a style longer than the stamens, whereas in the other it is shorter.
Darren, the botanists at Graz University in Austria who are working on the Massonias have got back in touch to say they agree that the holotype of M. pygmaea is glabrous (not hairy) so they are at a loss to explain why Müller-Doblies described the glabrous one as subsp. kamiesbergensis. They say that there are several problems to sorting out the pygmaea complex - they are working on it but it will take some time.
Paul
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Thanks for asking Paul. That fits with our thoughts too. Will keep my labels in pencil until someone works it out :)
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Beautiful Massonia pygmaea.
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Beautiful Massonia pygmaea.
Very nice - rather like a form I grow from Penrock seed originating at Vanrhyns Pass. Flowers remind me of jasminiflora. I also note that the stamens appear to be all the same length (as they are on my plants) which doesn't see to agree with pygmaea.
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Massonia depressa,seed from Hans J.