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Title: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 01, 2016, 03:35:45 PM
Crocus hyemalis, from the Carmel Mountain Park, Israel.
Crocus caricus, from our friend Janis.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 01, 2016, 03:57:53 PM
Crocus isauricus, TK, Gunei, it smells so good i've brought it in my desk.
Crocus biflorus pseudonubigena, playing with light
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 01, 2016, 07:21:13 PM
Crocus isauricus, TK, Gunei, it smells so good i've brought it in my desk.

Oh no, it's highly addictive....withdrawal symptoms are seeing flying Crocusses everywhere and wanting to travel to the mediterranean...
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 01, 2016, 07:57:36 PM
I've the gut feeling that each year i catch the same illness  ;D
I draw crosses on the walls waiting for spring, the plane is already booked for 2 destinations...
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 01, 2016, 08:32:03 PM
Stunning crocusses Yann! A very good start of the new year  :o :o

Here is Crocus biflorus ssp. stridii in flower and also Crocus biflorus ssp. isauricus
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 02, 2016, 07:48:05 AM
Here is ... Crocus biflorus ssp. isauricus
Such crocus was for a long regarded as C. isauricus, but recently Kerndorff, Pasche & Harpke, showed that true C. isauricus comes from more Eastern locality near Sertavul and looks quite different.
The main features of flower are
Flowers – of a very bowl-shape with segment-proportion of outer segments 2.2. (see attached pictures)
Flower segments – Inside all segments are invariably white without any markings.
Outer segments –22-26-33 mm long and 9-12-14 mm wide, outside predominantly very finely speckled light bluish violet, without dark basal blotches.
Those from localities situated west were described as several new species, and on your pictures could be some of those, something resembles C. mawii or C. concinnus. Most likely one of those was selected by O. Erol et al. as type of C. isauricus, but there are some features on attached original herbarium of Siehe (his gatherings were used as type for description of C. isauricus), which force me to follow HKEP opinion, and namely it is dimensions of flower segments. In C. concinnus (if I correctly identified it): “The segment proportion of outer segments is 3.4 signalising comparatively strap-like segments”. But in crocus from Sertavul: “Segment-proportion of outer segments very low (2.2) which signalises a very bowl-shaped flower”. Flowers on published herbarium sheet are distinctly bowl-shaped (segment proportion ~ 2.1-2.5), so they more match with specimens from Sertavul. I would not name C. concinnus flower segments as “strap-like” but its flowers certainly are not bowl-shaped, too.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 02, 2016, 12:02:44 PM
Thanks a lot for explanation janis!
It becomes really difficult for us as amateur growers to identify a plant correctly...

But if i look to this picture the lower one is very similar to Crocus concinnus (http://crocusmania.blogspot.be/2015/01/crocus-concinnus-kerndorff-pasche.html (http://crocusmania.blogspot.be/2015/01/crocus-concinnus-kerndorff-pasche.html))
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 02, 2016, 01:13:00 PM
Thanks a lot for explanation janis!
It becomes really difficult for us as amateur growers to identify a plant correctly...

You are wrong if you think that for me it is easy... So many still unidentified stocks in collection. We had minus 19 last night and after a week offered minus 26... brrrr
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 02, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
You are wrong if you think that for me it is easy... So many still unidentified stocks in collection. We had minus 19 last night and after a week offered minus 26... brrrr

I wish, here temps stay above +5°C constantly, and until the 11th at least the minimal temp. will stay above 5°C. We don't want a winter like yours, Janis...but something akin to a winter would be agreeable.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 02, 2016, 09:16:27 PM
It is still only late evening but outside is already minus 20 and almost no snow. For tomorrow offered heavy snowing, some warming and from Tuesday again minus 20. But it is good time to study flower pictures, literature, herbariums and time for unexpected discoveries and one more species was identified just sitting at table and computer.
Amazingly, but this happened when I started to compare original description with published pictures and found some discrepancies. Looking on my plants under slightly wider concept, and taking in account sometimes quite freely noted localities of locus classicus, was possible to attach correct name (I'm certain for 99%) to another one acquisition, still grown under number and it was
Crocus katrancensis
Pictures from wild and from greenhouse attached. The one with chaotically positioned flowers is included only to show great variability of this species.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 05, 2016, 10:39:43 AM
It is early evening and outside is still +11°C and cloudy. For tomorrow will be sunny/cloudy and +6 to 15°C, get chilly from Friday down to +2°C in the morning through next weekend ::)

Crocus rujanensis from Janis. Their flower colour is deeper and sepals are broader than C. rujanensis, JJA 351.100 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13806.msg346977#msg346977).
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 06, 2016, 07:55:04 PM
Only just opened but promising:
 Crocus sieberii 'Spartacus'
 Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena JP 8604
 Crocus ushakiensis (former Crocus crysanthus 'Ushak Orange')
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 06, 2016, 10:22:15 PM
lucky Ruben mine 'Spartacus' avorted  :'(
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 07, 2016, 05:12:24 AM

 Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena JP 8604

I suppose that JP 8604 could be regarded as nubigena. It is from Lesbos, but other "nubigenas" from Samos, Ikaria, Karpathos and Turkey - most likely will be another different species, at least they are separable by morphology, without special DNA. May be another one will be selected as typical nubigena, I don't know. That "nubigena" from Goktepe in Turkey was named as C. antherotes (I at least suppose that, as plant from there looks perfectly matching description).
I hope that HKEP will publish them (nubigena series review) sooner or later, I don't want to enter there and I only can agree that - may be soon will be requested DNA certificate attached to each purchased corm... , although I described more than 20 new taxa, but I always looked for clear features to identify even without DNA. I quite recently got reply from one famous Crocus specialist when I asked about possible identity of some of mine acquisitions - "As I told you often before, the final proof can be made only by DNA." I don't think that it is the best. And I can't agree to thesis that for identifying are needed at least 30 randomly selected plants to get average values for features. It is good for description, I agree, but not for identifyuing. I don't think that thesis in key like "filaments 6.5 mm long..." versus "filaments 5.4 mm long..." are the best features for identifying of species if you have 1-3 plants in your pot.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 07, 2016, 05:20:46 AM
But if i look to this picture the lower one is very similar to Crocus concinnus (http://crocusmania.blogspot.be/2015/01/crocus-concinnus-kerndorff-pasche.html (http://crocusmania.blogspot.be/2015/01/crocus-concinnus-kerndorff-pasche.html))
This one could be concinnus and I attached to this (most likely) that name, but it could be C.mawii, too. I still didn't made final decision about identity of my acquisitions from this region where both species are growing. Unfortunately "locus classicus" mentioned in original description covers too large area, to be helpful. It is one of the greatest problems with many new varieties published by HKEP. We simply must trust and can't to make cross-checking...
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: tonyg on January 07, 2016, 11:38:24 AM
Many nice crocus already this year .... and much head scratching over how to name them  :)

Here we hope for a cold spell to slow down the rush to flower for many plants.  Below just a couple of the crocus now in flower, Crocus sieberi sublimis  and Crocus nevadensis.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Gabriela on January 07, 2016, 01:34:21 PM
All very beautiful, thank you - I can pretend spring is coming... :)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 07, 2016, 06:04:55 PM
All very beautiful, thank you - I can pretend spring is coming... :)

Ai, ai, ai - here tonight promissed "only" minus 29 C... :'(
Really was minus 30 C  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 08, 2016, 02:25:02 PM
Ai, ai, ai - here tonight promissed "only" minus 29 C... :'(
Really was minus 30 C  :'( :'( :'(
I've never experienced such severe cold :o
Please take care of yourself, Janis.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 08, 2016, 02:31:40 PM
And still no snow, Janis?  Black frost so dangerous for plants.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 08, 2016, 02:34:50 PM
Crocus danfordiae from blue form, JJA 344.205 Its flower is not blue and pistil is orange.
Should I call it danfordiae or minutus ???
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 08, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
very nice one YT, even how he calls! But i understand you're questions, its very difficult for determination.

Here a very Sunny day with 8 degrees. Forecast for next week is colder overday 4 degrees, and light nightfrost minus 1 degree.

Crocus biflorus ssp. fibroannulatus
Crocus crysanthus 'Sunspot'
Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena JP 8604 : the best one out of the 8 selections i grow of nubigena
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 08, 2016, 08:10:02 PM

Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena JP 8604 : the best one out of the 8 selections i grow of nubigena

 A real beauty!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 09, 2016, 06:46:53 AM
Crocus danfordiae from blue form, JJA 344.205 Its flower is not blue and pistil is orange.
Should I call it danfordiae or minutus ???
It is good danfordiae. C. minutus has white stigma. Blue and white danfordiae often are growing together, so no wonder for white seedling.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 09, 2016, 06:56:16 AM
And still no snow, Janis?  Black frost so dangerous for plants.
Fortunately all is covered by very powdery snow - around 7 cm, Usually it is sufficient. 5 cm of snow saved everything at even minus 49 at snow level at Christmas in late seventies or early eighties, not remember in which year it was. This winter was great disaster in UK, too. Minus thirty is normal for our winters and usually last around week or so (not in previous 3 winters, when temperature never dropped till minus 20, and we joked, that we had no winter at all).
Tonight started warming. We had only minus 17, although in late evening still was minus 22-23 C. In greenhouse all pots are covered with 5 cm sheets of glass-wool, but yesterday I really worried about them, too. Checking temperature in greenhouse where under cover is temperature sensor it showed still +1 C. So all is OK.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 09, 2016, 07:42:19 AM
Jani,

I hope you're keeping yourself warm too  ;)

Still no frost over here, so Crocusses keep on flowering unprotected:

Crocus ancyrensis
3 x Crocus cyprius
Crocus dalmaticus 'Petrovac'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 09, 2016, 07:43:12 AM
Crocus fleischeri
Crocus rujanensis
2 x Crocus vitellinus
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 09, 2016, 04:56:03 PM
Crocus korolkowii - RI form
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on January 09, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
Yann, what does 'RI' mean please?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 09, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
RI form has straight and well drawn brown stripes, the bud is well tubular which is typical.
other korolwokii can have spotted brown stripes and bud are often conical.

Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 10, 2016, 01:15:27 AM
very nice one YT, even how he calls! But i understand you're questions, its very difficult for determination.
It is good danfordiae. C. minutus has white stigma. Blue and white danfordiae often are growing together, so no wonder for white seedling.
Thank you, Ruben and Janis!

RI form has straight and well drawn brown stripes, the bud is well tubular which is typical.
other korolwokii can have spotted brown stripes and bud are often conical.
A well contrasted bicolour flower, Yann :D
I'm not sure but David asked you What is “RI” short for?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 10, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
I guess initials, but don't know who. Gonna investigate.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 12, 2016, 06:44:13 AM
Crocus michelsonii
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 12, 2016, 07:18:42 AM
Crocuses at their glory!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 12, 2016, 12:58:18 PM
Crocus michelsonii

They look very wonderful, Tatsuo!!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 12, 2016, 08:09:25 PM
Crocus michelsonii
Excellent!!!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Cyril L on January 12, 2016, 08:44:00 PM
Crocus michelsonii
Compact and well grown Tatsuo.

Yesterday was the first time I saw sunlight in 2016.  My C. michelsonii flowers are flopping before they open.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 13, 2016, 11:03:10 AM
Thanks, all :) I'm hoping the weather is getting brighter and dryer soon at your place, Cyril.

Here's the same C. michelsonii pot today.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 13, 2016, 11:04:55 AM
Crocus biflorus subsp. nubigena, from Janis :)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 14, 2016, 05:07:26 PM
Very nice form YT!

Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandri
Crocus versicolor - white selection
Crocus korolkowii from Uzbekistan
Crocus imperatii
Crocus sieberii 'Michael hoog's memory'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 14, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
Crocus (biflorus ssp;) nubigena JP 8604
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 14, 2016, 05:10:57 PM
Crocus sieberii 'Firefly'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 16, 2016, 02:54:51 PM
Crocus sieberi atticus Vardousia
Crocus atticus 'Stunner'
Crocus sieberi atticus Amfiklia
Crocus chrysanthus 'Saturnus'
Crocus chrysanthus 'Uschak Orange'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 16, 2016, 03:04:26 PM
Crocus pseudonubigena
Crocus atticus 'Ronald Ginns' (my camera is already....tomorrow 17/01)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
Your camera is like your flowers, Yann - in a hurry for Spring!!  What a lot of  things you have  coming into flower, not just crocus.  8)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 16, 2016, 04:32:46 PM
+))
Crocus fleischeri - Gulek Pass - Site n2
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Graeme Strachan on January 16, 2016, 05:51:42 PM
Mid week I saw some colour in a pot outside - I took it inside to the warmth today as it was -1 last night and +1.5 (Daytime today) and was delighted with the results - chrysanthus "sunspot".

             Graeme Strachan
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2016, 05:55:26 PM
Nothing more cheering than some Crocus cheer, in my book.   8)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Roma on January 16, 2016, 09:08:44 PM
Especially bright yellow ones in these dull days.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Graeme Strachan on January 16, 2016, 09:48:33 PM
Maggi/Roma,
                      After the wet weather we have had and the now freezing temperatures that we have had in Aberdeen I was surprised to see these flowers. I had a bit of difficulty getting them out of the container I had them in as they were frozen.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 17, 2016, 12:29:49 AM
Two crisp sunny days after endless dreich skies with rain of biblical proportions .........and now it's snowing!
Some cheery yellow crocus:

Crocus korolkowii -a form from Turkmenistan
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1531/24398796846_f5a2991803_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1638/24316750872_60306406f3_o.jpg)

Crocus korolkowii -a form from Tadjikistan
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1648/24398797276_07cdd78879_o.jpg)

Crocus chrysanthus "Uschak orange"
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1598/24129404570_9db79af00b_o.jpg)

Crocus chrysanthus "Sunspot"
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1583/24129405040_34c4a45dc6_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 17, 2016, 08:13:15 AM
Two crisp sunny days after endless dreich skies with rain of biblical proportions .........and now it's snowing!
Some cheery yellow crocus:

Crocus korolkowii -a form from Turkmenistan
Crocus korolkowii -a form from Tadjikistan
Crocus chrysanthus "Uschak orange"
Crocus chrysanthus "Sunspot"
Beautiful and clear pictures as usual, Steve :)
I LOVE the red centre one :P
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 17, 2016, 08:51:02 AM
One of the Crocus alexandri from Janis in 2015 :)
Hoping the other bulbs have more contrasted flowers.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 17, 2016, 12:54:11 PM

Crocus korolkowii -a form from Turkmenistan


You are sure that it is from Turkmenistan? Don't think that it is growing there. Even at very East of Turkmenistan and closely adjacent Uzbekistan regions never saw it.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 17, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
You are sure that it is from Turkmenistan? Don't think that it is growing there. Even at very East of Turkmenistan and closely adjacent Uzbekistan regions never saw it.
I got it from Jan Jilek. It was labelled as coming from Turkmenistan. I bought it in 2014. He also offered it on his 2015 bulb list.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 17, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
What a wealth of gorgeous Crocus' shown here !  :o :o :o

Tatsuo, that Michelsonii is to die for !!!  :o

I love the brown centered Korolkowii, Steve, very rare I believe !

Some flowering here before the frost comes and will take over our early Spring.

Crocus (biflorus formerly I believe) alexandri

Crocus chrysanthus 'Sunspot' - also appreciated by slugs....  >:(

Crocus korlkowii 'Spring cocktail' hiding somewhat between the leaves
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 17, 2016, 04:41:12 PM
sharp details of alexandrii, love it :D
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 17, 2016, 06:52:40 PM
I got it from Jan Jilek. It was labelled as coming from Turkmenistan. I bought it in 2014. He also offered it on his 2015 bulb list.
The origins (localities) of plants for this source not always seem to be trustable - C. korolkowii isn't listed in any publication about Flora of Turkmenistan and not even for adjacent territories of Uzbekistan, Iran. I grows in Uzbekistan, but more to East, in Tadjikistan and adjacent Afganistan. I several times tried to order from JJ and never got any seed or bulb.

Just found its name in list of bulbous plants of Kirghyzstan and I forgot to mention its occurence in NW corner of Pakistan
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 17, 2016, 09:09:02 PM
Crocus caricus
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1638/23797585154_130417b997_o.jpg)

Crocus taseliensis -Not the best of images due to the low light level. The flower was etiolated and lying on its side.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1547/24343348201_f859465284_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1608/24399606986_fd967ab93a_o.jpg)

Crocus minutus -Apart from a slightly paler stigma this to my eyes appears to be identical to Crocus danfordiae.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1530/24425792445_b60a00072a_o.jpg)

Crocus sieberi sieberi
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1518/24317551122_5824f9f446_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 17, 2016, 09:32:40 PM
wonderfull pictures :P, caricus smell so strong all over the greenhouse.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 18, 2016, 10:34:28 AM
Crocus biflorus stridii
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: art600 on January 18, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
I received 3 corms of a Crocus biflorus sp. from Kot - many thanks

The 3 corms produced 10 flowers.  Can anyone identify the crocus please
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: art600 on January 18, 2016, 11:24:08 AM
Several years ago I received seeds from the Crocus Group.  The seeds had been collected i Greece by a member and were identified by his numbers.

This year I was surprised by the first flower from GP06M11  I would appreciate your thoughts on what it might be.

I took the photos over several days and the colour became less with age, but was the startlnig 'purple' at the beginning
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 18, 2016, 12:11:02 PM
Several years ago I received seeds from the Crocus Group.  The seeds had been collected i Greece by a member and were identified by his numbers.

This year I was surprised by the first flower from GP06M11  I would appreciate your thoughts on what it might be.

I took the photos over several days and the colour became less with age, but was the startlnig 'purple' at the beginning

Quality of pictures far too poor. If leaves without white midrib on surface - pelistericus.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 18, 2016, 05:12:18 PM
Crocus baytopiorum
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1654/24130172630_d5dc068bdc_o.jpg)

Crocus nubigena
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1561/23798978563_7fc3c7cac0_o.jpg)

Crocus michelsonii -Unfortunately there was insufficient light for the flower to fully open.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1533/24146120860_8ddcbc5780_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1503/23813544754_f2fd1e34ce_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: papapoly on January 18, 2016, 05:55:37 PM
With regard to:

GP06M11

Arthur I will have to check my records.  I believe it is Crocus veluchensis which, I collected on mount Ossa in 2011 where some very fine specimens occur.

Janis, it is not Crocus pelistericus since I have never collected in Macedonia.  I have collected, so far, only from various regions in Thessaly.

George Papapolymerou
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 18, 2016, 06:44:30 PM
Steve your photo are very sharp, do you use the EF 100 mm?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 18, 2016, 08:25:39 PM
Stunning crocusses where shown! Here lots of rain the first two weeks of january followed by some frost so no flowering crocusses here :-(
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: art600 on January 18, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
With regard to:

GP06M11

Arthur I will have to check my records.  I believe it is Crocus veluchensis which, I collected on mount Ossa in 2011 where some very fine specimens occur.

Janis, it is not Crocus pelistericus since I have never collected in Macedonia.  I have collected, so far, only from various regions in Thessaly.

George Papapolymerou

George

Whatever it turns out to be, it is a very fine Crocus.  Thanks for collecting the seeds

Arthur
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 18, 2016, 11:57:00 PM
Steve your photo are very sharp, do you use the EF 100 mm?
Thanks Yann.
Yes I use the EF 100mm IS macro lens.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 19, 2016, 08:30:46 AM
Crocus baytopiorum
Crocus nubigena
Crocus michelsonii -Unfortunately there was insufficient light for the flower to fully open.

Truly amazing pictures Steve !  :o
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 19, 2016, 01:40:44 PM
Crocus michelsonii -Unfortunately there was insufficient light for the flower to fully open.
A lovely dark coloured michelsonii, Steve 8) Where did you get it from, please?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 19, 2016, 02:44:03 PM
some in flower today,no sun brought into the house to open

Crocus michelsonii
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Crocus nevadensis
Crocus baytopiorum
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 19, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
A lovely dark coloured michelsonii, Steve 8) Where did you get it from, please?

Thanks Tatsuo!
I got this clone as a smallish corm from Jan Jilek two years ago. It came from stock that Jan collected -probably in Turkmenistan but I have no details of its exact provenance. It seems to be darker than the selected clone "Turkmenian Night".
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2016, 03:42:07 PM
some in flower today,no sun brought into the house to open

Crocus michelsonii
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Crocus nevadensis
Crocus baytopiorum

With the dark days we're having  it's lucky  that crocus are so obliging  to open when you take them indoors.  Every little helps!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 19, 2016, 08:35:23 PM
With regard to:

GP06M11

Arthur I will have to check my records.  I believe it is Crocus veluchensis which, I collected on mount Ossa in 2011 where some very fine specimens occur.

Janis, it is not Crocus pelistericus since I have never collected in Macedonia.  I have collected, so far, only from various regions in Thessaly.

George Papapolymerou

When our team (Kurt Vicklery, Henrik Zetterlund and I) found both species (veluchensis and pelistericus) side by side in Republic of Macedonia, flowers of both were so similar that only leaves and corms allowed to separate them
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 20, 2016, 07:49:10 AM
Thanks Tatsuo!
I got this clone as a smallish corm from Jan Jilek two years ago. It came from stock that Jan collected -probably in Turkmenistan but I have no details of its exact provenance. It seems to be darker than the selected clone "Turkmenian Night".
Thank you, Steve :) I'll order some bulbs to him this year!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 20, 2016, 07:57:21 AM
Crocus caricus from Janis. It's the first blooming here :)
Crocus chrysanthus JJA 343.211. Turkey, Kartal Geçidi. 1560m. Ex LST 068A.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 20, 2016, 08:30:46 AM
some in flower today,no sun brought into the house to open

Crocus michelsonii
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Crocus nevadensis
Crocus baytopiorum

Verrrry nice series Tony !
Crocus caricus from Janis. It's the first blooming here :)
Crocus chrysanthus JJA 343.211. Turkey, Kartal Geçidi. 1560m. Ex LST 068A.

The caricus is to die for, YT
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Crocus caricus from Janis. It's the first blooming here :)

Such a delicate flower with fine colouring.

Quote
quote from Tony Willis
Crocus baytopiorum
Not sure how anyone could ever resist being captivated by that blue!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 22, 2016, 09:24:43 AM
The caricus is to die for, YT
Such a delicate flower with fine colouring.

Thanks Luc and Maggi :) Janis' C. caricus is extremely fascinating :o
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 22, 2016, 09:29:51 AM
Another Crocus caricus from Janis

Crocus sieberi subsp. sieberi JJA 352.401

Crocus ‘Sunspot’ has just started to bloom
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 22, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
Marvellous Tatsuo :P
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 22, 2016, 05:56:04 PM
Some in flower today

Crocus atticus
Crocus biflorus issauricus
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor white
Crocus C.x gothenburgensis x C. Pelistericus
Crocus chrysanthus
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 22, 2016, 05:58:31 PM
a few more

Crocus fleischeri
Crocus self sown in sand bench
Crocus sieberi
Crocus vernus
Crocus versicolor
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 22, 2016, 08:17:53 PM
Tony your  gothenburgensis x pelistericus is whaouhh!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 24, 2016, 12:35:06 PM
Crocus x paulineae 'pauline'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 24, 2016, 01:27:30 PM
Crocus sieberi sublimis
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 24, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
Crocus cyprius
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 24, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
Crocus vernus ssp napolitanus
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 24, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Crocus x paulineae 'pauline'

Really Yann?? WOW, WOOOW I think I need an ambulance now!!  ;)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 24, 2016, 03:23:59 PM
Wim, I have an  oxygen tank - would you like to share it?  It helps!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Gabriela on January 24, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Mesmerizing these Crocus flowers! I promised I won't open the Crocus section when I have other more important things to do (like fixing my lights stand)
but is so addictive  :o
I could use the C. x paulineae instead of lights!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 24, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
Yann

very nice. Your C.vernus looks very much like mine which came from Italy,Gargano.

The C. x paulineae is very similar in colour to some of the hybrids between C. biflorus pulchricolor and C. chrysanthus which are really lovely. Again like them arising from blue and yellow flowers.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 24, 2016, 04:19:28 PM
Tony the vernus comes from Monte San Angelo, i found it along a dirt road under construction.
I also have other bulbs from 2 different sources, they look different.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 24, 2016, 07:41:00 PM
Wim, I have an  oxygen tank - would you like to share it?  It helps!

Yes, please.... It's really stunning, isn't it?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 24, 2016, 07:47:22 PM
I'll have another surprise later  ;)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 25, 2016, 06:39:09 AM
I'll have another surprise later  ;)

I'll have the ambulance on speed-dial  ;)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 25, 2016, 07:22:13 PM
The warmest 25 january ever in Belgium. Up to 14 degrees celcius.

Many Crocus in flower:

Crocus versicolor from VAR in France
Crocus adanensis
Crocus crysanthus 'Goldene Sonne'
Crocus crysanthus 'Sunspot'
Crocus sieberii 'Ronald Ginns'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 25, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
Crocus versicolor Alba
Crocus sieberii ssp. nivalis
Crocus alatavicus 'Alma Ata 1'
Crocus hartmanianus
Crocus taseliensis
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 25, 2016, 07:25:26 PM
Crocus mouradii
Crocus kerndorfiorum
Crocus versicolor 'Alpes Maritiemes'
Crocus ushakiensis
Crocus sieberii 'Firefly'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 25, 2016, 07:27:12 PM
Crocusbed overvieuw
Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena JP 8604
Crocus crysanthus from Mt katara Pass Greece
Crocus orphei
Crocus dalmaticus 'Petrovac'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 25, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
Crocus biflorus ssp. biflorus var parkinsonii
Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii
Crocus biflorus ssp. biflorus MS 948
Crocus rujanensis
Crocus biflorus ssp. stridii
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 25, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
And the last ones (all in flower today) it was crocus heaven :-d

Crocus imperatii
Crocus cyprius
Crocus baytopiorum
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 25, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
What a batch Ruben!! funny to see your Petrovac in flowers, mine underglass is just in buds ???
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 25, 2016, 10:35:44 PM
Ruben,a lovely selection. I wish I could grow mine outside but it is just too wet.

Crocus pelistericus, white form
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 26, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
Crocus x gothenburgensis
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 26, 2016, 02:45:32 PM
Crocus x gothenburgensis
the name that was  given when this plant was  described is
Crocus x gotoburgensis  - just for the sake of anyone searching the  given name so they find the pictures above!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 26, 2016, 03:48:02 PM
This one is certainly the most beautiful of all  :P
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: WimB on January 26, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
This one is certainly the most beautiful of all  :P

I must agree, this one is the most beautiful thus far!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ashley on January 26, 2016, 08:40:51 PM
A stunning plant Tony.
Do you grow it and both parents outdoors for most of the year, or under glass? 
Here C. pelistericus seems happiest in the garden although slugs often damage the flowers. 
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on January 27, 2016, 08:09:01 AM
A stunning plant Tony.
Do you grow it and both parents outdoors for most of the year, or under glass? 
Here C. pelistericus seems happiest in the garden although slugs often damage the flowers.

They are grown outside all year in clay pots plunged in a sand bed. I do have a cover on during winter to keep of excess water. I do keep them watered all summer,they never dry out. They are also in shade and only have sun a couple of hours a day in mid summer.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 27, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Crocus × gotoburgensis R.Rolfe, Quart. Bull. Alpine Gard. Soc. Gr. Brit. 68: 230 (2000).
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: tonyg on January 27, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
The warmest 25 january ever in Belgium. Up to 14 degrees celcius.

Many Crocus in flower:
They all look superb in the sunshine.

Here we have warmth but not so much sunshine  :(
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on January 28, 2016, 02:18:49 PM
Beautiful Crocus Tony ...
Here are the ones that bloom right now at home. Last week, we had 20 cm of snow, -10°C. Today it is 8 ° C.
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Crocus angustifolius
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Crocus corsicus
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Crocus sieberi 'Firefly'
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Crocus tommasianus 'Roseus'
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Crocus vernus 'Grand Maître'

This is a beginning of collection, I do not yet have many rarities but many commercial cultivars. It will take some patience to show you specimens from my seedlings.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
I think that one of the great charms of Crocus is that the  commercially available varieties are so very beautiful. With some plants only the rarest are  the most lovely!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 28, 2016, 03:11:52 PM
Crocus ‘Sunspot’ is in full bloom.
Crocus adanensis JJA 339.701
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on January 28, 2016, 03:43:17 PM

Sunspot is part of what subspecies?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: YT on January 28, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
Sunspot is part of what subspecies?

Hello, Cfred72 :)
‘Sunspot’ is a nursery raised chrysanthus/biflorus cultivar.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 28, 2016, 05:43:00 PM
Hi Fred, nice to see another Croconut from Belgium  ;D.

A very nice Crocus from Dirk. Will say the name later as i use it for quiz in Vrv forum lol
Crovus biflorus ssp. nubigena JP 8604 - in flower for more than a month a still produce more and more flowers
Crocus biflorus ssp. pseudonubigena KPPZ 108
Crocus baytopiorum
Crocus sieberii 'Ronald Ginns'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: ruben on January 28, 2016, 05:45:24 PM
Crocus sieberii 'George'
Crocus tommasinianus 'JMG 04' a good selection from John Grimshaw
Crocus sieberii with visitor  ;D
More and more flowers to see
Crocus paschei
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2016, 06:06:03 PM


A very nice Crocus from Dirk. Will say the name later as i use it for quiz in Vrv forum lol

:) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: tonyg on January 28, 2016, 06:09:40 PM
A couple of 'special' crocuses caught in the rare sunshine - it was a perfect day.

Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii - corms I received from forumist Lesley Cox a few years ago.  They reversed their seasons very quickly although I had them in flower in early June the first year.  They are deep purple when the buds are tight closed but open gloriously revealing the much paler inners.

The other special is the form of Crocus dalmaticus - a Brian Mathew collection M5316 which came here in 1999 from Ray Cobb.  I thought I had lost it many years ago, just a tiny cormlet remained after a disastrous season but today I found it in flower once more in one of my 'hospital' pots where odd single corms are nursed to flowering size.  Alongside it is a flower of Crocus imperati.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
The  free monthly e-magazine, International Rock Gardener IRG 73  for January 2016  is online now :
A new species  of Crocus is described by Janis Ruksans  : Crocus duncanii- named to honour  Brian Duncan

and   a new Galanthus cultivar, 'Longraigue' by Alan Briggs  is also  named and last but not least,  some good, readily available  garden plants are listed to coincide with David Nicholson's  list of Specialist Plant Nurseries (http://files.srgc.net/journals/NurseryListSRGC.pdf)

Read the January 2016  IRG  here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Jan281454019772IRG73.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Jan281454019772IRG73.pdf)

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Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: pehe on January 29, 2016, 09:21:37 AM
A couple of 'special' crocuses caught in the rare sunshine - it was a perfect day.

Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii - corms I received from forumist Lesley Cox a few years ago.  They reversed their seasons very quickly although I had them in flower in early June the first year.  They are deep purple when the buds are tight closed but open gloriously revealing the much paler inners.

The other special is the form of Crocus dalmaticus - a Brian Mathew collection M5316 which came here in 1999 from Ray Cobb.  I thought I had lost it many years ago, just a tiny cormlet remained after a disastrous season but today I found it in flower once more in one of my 'hospital' pots where odd single corms are nursed to flowering size.  Alongside it is a flower of Crocus imperati.

Tony, that's a very fine form of Alexandrii!

Mine are also flowering - but not as beautiful as yours

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Matt T on January 29, 2016, 09:25:29 AM
Agreed, alexandrii is a stunning plant in all its forms, but Tony/Lesley's form is jaw-dropping! I only have it as three potfuls of seedlings, so hopefully something special might appear from them in a couple of year  ;)
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: pehe on January 29, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
Crocus caricus from Janis.

I have placed it in-house for some days in hope of getting seeds

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: pehe on January 29, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
Crocus alatavicus under glass

No crocus is flowering in the garden

Poul

Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 29, 2016, 03:01:23 PM
What a stunning Crocus show people !!!  So hard to choose from !

Here's my contribution :

Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena - can't get enough of it !  ;D

Crocus biflorus ssp parkinsonii in the garden, growing right through the cushion of Arenaria granatensis tetraquetra  ;D

Crocus korolkowii albus
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 29, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Some more :

Crocus malyi with it's first flower

Crocus chrisanthus 'Herald', one of my favourite cultivars

Crocus sieberi nivalis
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 29, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
Last batch :

Crocus etruscus enjoying the sunshine in the garden.... before the rain came  :-\

Crocus ushakensis

Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: udo on January 29, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
very nice Crocus from all,
here some from garden and frame
Crocus antherothes from Göktepe/ Turkey
   ''        hartmannianus, Cyprus
   ''        kerndorffiorum, Turkey
   ''        sublimis, Greece
   ''        suaveolens, seedlings from 'de Jager'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 30, 2016, 04:52:09 PM
It was a gloomy day with a kind of  monsoon :-[
Hopefully in the greenhouse it's spring

Crocus sieberi sublimis
Crocus tauricus
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Crocus chrysanthus 'Constellation'
Crocus x paulineae in full bloom
Crocus chrysanthus 'Blue Peter'
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 30, 2016, 07:19:31 PM
Very nice form of C. tauricus, this dark shading around throat!, Yann; and I like C. x paulinae, too. Seems that it is form raised by me to which Liga recently gave cv. name after her daughter 'Paula' - so if it came from me, must be now named Crocus x paulinae 'Paula'  :D
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 30, 2016, 07:36:38 PM
Yes it's a nice form, the bulbs were collected in the Ai-Petri Yayla mountains.
I also have another pot with one i bought you and it seems it's gonna be a red form, but it's still in buds.

The x paulinae was given in an exchange, but i guess it came from your nursery. So i'll rename the tag with your granddaughter's firstname. Last year it gave me few seeds but flower doesn't have so much pollen.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 31, 2016, 06:10:17 AM
Seeds from x paulinae??? With me no one , nor from two different wild collected, nor from 'Paula'.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 31, 2016, 01:37:37 PM
It was a gloomy day with a kind of  monsoon :-[
Hopefully in the greenhouse it's spring

Crocus sieberi sublimis
Crocus tauricus

Brilliant form of tauricus, Yann !!
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on January 31, 2016, 01:47:35 PM
Janis, i saw a rotten pod when i moved the pot. I could save 7 seeds, but i think 3-4 were safe. Sown them this autumn.
Do you think my bulbs are not x paulinae?
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 02, 2016, 06:19:59 AM
Janis, i saw a rotten pod when i moved the pot. I could save 7 seeds, but i think 3-4 were safe. Sown them this autumn.
Do you think my bulbs are not x paulinae?
They looks as C. x paulinae. although not so compact as here (most likely too little light), occasionaly even such usually sterile hybrids can give some seed, although it is rare occasion. My recommendation - saw seeds immediately and keep pot dry to normal watering time will come in autumn. You will get far better germination rate.
Title: Re: Crocus January 2016
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2016, 10:18:45 AM
ok, keeping fringer crossed.
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