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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Tony Willis on January 01, 2016, 11:46:45 AM
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Cyclamen pseudibericum forma roseum flowering am onth earlier than in other years
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very nice Tony. Despite the mild weather I don't have much out. A few coum in the garden but not under glass. The C. alpinum are starting and seem alot happier in the frame. It seems under glass they dry out and when I water them they just keel over. In the frame I can open up the lights, they get a good soaking but are fine. Probably a function of much better ventilation. Hopefully they'll continue to enjoy this treatment.
I also have something labelled C.elegans from Cyclamen Society seed. For some reason these have either flowered as coum or coum and possibly elegans mix. This one is in a mixed pot but I think this one is actually elegans. Can anyone confirm? It's been a while since I've had genuine C.elegans.
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Looks like C.elegans to me Mark.
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Cyclamen alpinum
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A couple of young plants of C. alpinum, one quite floriforous and the other with good leaf markings.
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Cyclamen coum with a good leaf and C. coum 'Golan Heights'. The latter is a bit miffy with me...
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Two great looking coum's you have there Steve, happy new year mate(it's late I know, but I thought what the heck)😄
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Two great looking coum's you have there Steve, happy new year mate(it's late I know, but I thought what the heck)😄
Thanks, John, and the same to you. I'd be happier in the new year if this blasted rain and wind would stop!
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Yeah it's the same down here mate.
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A couple of young plants of C. alpinum, one quite floriforous and the other with good leaf markings.
how old are these plants?
where did you find the seed?
Thank you
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how old are these plants?
where did you find the seed?
Thank you
Hi Rimmer.
Both plants are the same age -seed packet was sown in January 2012, so about three years old. The seed was from Cyclamen Society expedition plants and I'd have got these through the annual seed distribution. The Cyclamen Society is worth joining just for the seed list alone - they have a large and varied selection of species and cultivars listed every year.
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The Cyclamen Society is worth joining just for the seed list alone - they have a large and varied selection of species and cultivars listed every year.
Absolutely! AND, the seeds are distributed before they have dried out too much, so germination rates are excellent.
The info contained in the journals and other member benefits are great too.
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Er, it's been a long time since O level maths, should have said four years old! Not as young as I thought...
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Some more coum. Meaden's Crimson with dark flowers and plain green leaf, and ex Maurice Dryden seedling but with a blush pink flower.
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This C. coum in the bed by my front walk caught my attention -- the flower is flat and 4 cm across. The leaves look like ordinary coum. I'm not sure I like it. It lacks the character of the regular flowers. (It's covered with plastic fencing to keep the squirrels from digging up the bed. Also not attractive!)
...Claire
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Claire, you may find this is due to the weather - it might look different next year.
Here are some of my C. alpinums. They seem to be alot happier in the frame. I managed to get some white ones in a pot of CSE seed which is a real bonus.
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Thanks, Mark. It has been unusually rainy here, with days of heavy downpours. I like the charm of C. coum and hope these plants return to normal next year.
...Claire
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It has been unusually rainy here, with days of heavy downpours.
Sounds just like here, Claire, over many moons!
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An unknown cyclamen blooming in a pan full of hederifolium.
the flower tepals are 1.5" or over 4 cm long, the stems are about 10" and i think this is the leaf.
is this also hederifolium?
i have been informed this mystery 'hederifolium' is C. persicum.
it obviously can take some cold to 20F in a pan
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It was mentioned in this forum earlier that this may be Cyclamen coum forma pallidum.
Does this opinion still hold?
I have been told - Yes, the coum is f. pallidum - typically called 'Album'.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.msg346570#msg346570 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.msg346570#msg346570)
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Rimmer, that looks like persicum.
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and the next one is pallidum.
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum has responded to recent rain and cooler weather by producing a couple of flowers,
cheers
fermi
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C.coum
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nice. Philip and Fermi.
I rather like the plain leaved coum. Typically perverse I guess.
Fermi, I do like to see them in a more natural setting. Poor flowering of rolfsianum here this year.
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some Cyclamen coum - a type from Lake Abant (Turkey/red) and Porcelaine
Gerd
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Cyclamen coum
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Quote Today at 03:45:38 PM
See you at the Cyclamen Show on Saturday SUNDAY 7th? This weird weather has been playing havoc with flowering times. At this rate everything will be over before the end of the month!
I know that sometimes the Cyclamen Society events are members only, but I do not understand why more effort is not being made to advertise them and drum up members :-\
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If I could just clarify. The actual show is not members only and never has been. The problem is because it is held at Wisley unless you are a RHS member you cannot access the gardens without paying. The exceptions to this are exhibitors and helpers who have to be there before 9am and cannot leave till 4pm. If you leave the garden between those times and you are not a RHS member you will have to pay to re enter. Crazy I know. I agree we should do more to publicise our shows but hopefully our new website which is close to completion will do much to address this.
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Ahh, it seems that a confusion has arisen from the RHS membership thing.... what a shame - even so, it's more of a shame that the C.S. doesn't use its friends to make more of its assets :(
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Cyclamen Society events dates for 2016
Diary Dates - 2016
Wisley Winter Show 2016
The Wisley Winter Show will be held on Sunday 7th February 2016 in the Hillside Events Centre at the RHS Wisley Gardens(clearly signposted from the A3 just south-west of the M25's junction 10).
Wisley Spring Show 2015
The Wisley Spring Show will be held on Saturday 9th April 2016 in the Hillside Events Centre at the RHS Wisley Gardens(clearly signposted from the A3 just south-west of the M25's junction 10).
Birmingham Conference Show 2016
The Birmingham Conference and Show will be held on Sunday 11th September 2016 at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens. See below for directions to the Gardens
Joint Conference with SRGC Show 2016 – Penrith
A show will be held at the joint conference in Penrith on Saturday 24th September. It isn’t clear yet whether or not this will be competitive. ** See SRGC announcment here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13340.msg348073#msg348073 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13340.msg348073#msg348073)
Wisley Autumn Show 2016
The Wisley Autumn Show will be held on Sunday 9th October 2016 in the Hillside Events Centre at the RHS Wisley Gardens(clearly signposted from the A3 just south-west of the M25's junction 10).
Directions to Shows
Wisley
From London, the west, soutwest, north, east and Kent
Leave the M25 at junction 10 and head southwest on the A3 towards Guildford. After about 1½ miles take the slip road for 'Ripley', turn right under the A3 and right up the sliproad to join the A3 northbound. After about 100 metres turn left for the RHS Wisley Gardens.
From the south
From Guildford head northeast on the A3 towards London for about 6 miles. About 1 mile before the turn-off for Wisley you will pass a BP service station on both sides of the road. As you reach the bottom of the hill past the service station, the turn left for RHS Wisley is on the left.
Birmingham
http://www.cyclamen.org/shows/ (http://www.cyclamen.org/shows/)
The Birmingham Botanical Gardens and Glasshouses are situated in Westbourne Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 3TR. Tel: (0121) 454 1860.
FROM M40 - Take M42 West to M5 North and then follow directions from M5.
FROM M5 - Leave at Junction 3 and take A456 signposted to City Centre. Turn right on to B4129 (Norfolk Road) signposted to Botanical Gardens.
FROM M6 - Leave at Junction 6 and take A38(M) to City Centre. Follow underpasses signposted Birmingham West to A456. At Five Ways island turn left on to B4217 (Calthorpe Road) signposted to Botanical Gardens.
The gardens are well signposted with brown and cream tourist signs from at least two miles away. If you have a De Luxe Birmingham A-Z map, the reference is page 116 4B. On the Ordnance Survey Street Atlas of Birmingham and West Midlands, the map reference is page 85 7F.
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Thanks for doing that. I will make sure it doesn't go unnoticed.
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Ahh, it seems that a confusion has arisen from the RHS membership thing.... what a shame - even so, it's more of a shame that the C.S. doesn't use its friends to make more of its assets :(
seem to be more interested in RHS members than those who pay their subs to the society - not everyone wants to be a RHS member
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There must be a reason for using the Hillside Events Centre at RHS Wisley rather than an alternative venue?
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I'm sure there is :-\
Even for a one day ticket inf you're not an RHS member, its still pretty dear ......
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We cannot all afford to be members of everything , or afford such ticket prices.
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There must be a reason for using the Hillside Events Centre at RHS Wisley rather than an alternative venue?
Yes, I can give one reason. Wisley has around 1,024000 visitors a year. That works out at an average of around 2,800 visitors a day. There will be seasonal variations of course, but it's a fair ball-park figure. And for plant societies it's a self-selecting audience in that visitors are already interested in plants and gardens - that's why they're at Wisley. So, in marketing and advertising terms if you are putting on a show - a shop window for plant societies - which location is likely to gain you more exposure to a wider audience? A 6th form college, say, on the edge of a medium-sized town, or an internationally-known garden with around 2,800 visitors a day passing through the gates?
Look, I'm not trying to defend the RHS. As Pat says the set-up isn't ideal and it irritates the hell out of me as well - I've vented my frustration on the forum in the past because there's free entry to the Birmingham Botanic Gardens for CS members attending the September show and at the last show of the AGS season RHS Harlow Carr allowed free entry for AGS members. So it can be done. But I can also appreciate why putting on shows at Wisley can benefit plant societies. In the future, it would be good to explore other options as well. I'm really pleased, for example, to see that the long proposed CS/SRGC collaboration will take place later this year. I just hope we can tempt members down south up to Penrith!
seem to be more interested in RHS members than those who pay their subs to the society - not everyone wants to be a RHS member
Ridiculous. You don't really believe that Graeme, do you?
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Did you say Penrith Steve? . I don't go that far on holiday! .
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Did you say Penrith Steve? . I don't go that far on holiday! .
I'm not going to rise to the bait of one of those tanned individuals living in the banana belt ;D!
See you on Sunday. I'll bring me wallet!
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Hello cycnich,
Why do you not visit Penrith and see a decent part of the country? You will be surprised at how beautiful the county of Cumbria is.
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Hello cycnich,
Why do you not visit Penrith and see a decent part of the country? You will be surprised at how beautiful the county of Cumbria is.
When my wife and I were first married some 35 years ago we holidayed in the lakes. We camped in borrowdale not realising it was the wettest place in England and our tent got washed away then the radiator blew up on the old banger of a car we had. Funny how these things stick in your mind. I agree it is a stunning place I often watch it on the discovery channel . ;D
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With the elevation of C. confusum to species status a few years ago I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing leaf forms to rival those seen in the best of the hederifoliums and ssp crassifoliums? I've seen good leaf forms but most aren't that spectacular. It'd be instructive to see good examples posted on the forum. Anyone seen really good leaves growing in the wild?
I sowed 6 pots of seeds last year from plants from known locations so I hope these throw up some good ones. From the top and left to right:
ex Polyrrina ex Sirikari gorge
ex Dhafni valley ex Topolia gorge
ex MELJ 9729 ex CSE 94217
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With the elevation of C. confusum to species status a few years ago I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing leaf forms to rival those seen in the best of the hederifoliums and ssp crassifoliums? I've seen good leaf forms but most aren't that spectacular. It'd be instructive to see good examples posted on the forum. Anyone seen really good leaves growing in the wild?
I sowed 6 pots of seeds last year from plants from known locations so I hope these throw up some good ones. From the top and left to right:
ex Polyrrina ex Sirikari gorge
ex Dhafni valley ex Topolia gorge
ex MELJ 9729 ex CSE 94217
There are some promising ones there even at this early stage. If melj 9729 is seed I sent you it should read 9728
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Some confusum leaves from the CS seed exchange. In my experience, confusum from seed exchanges is still a bit of a lottery, as quite a lot is actually ssp crassifolium. These look ok though, I think...
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There are some promising ones there even at this early stage. If melj 9729 is seed I sent you it should read 9728
No Pat, your 9728 was sown later than these. I have Roy to thank for the 9729 and the others.
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Some confusum leaves from the CS seed exchange. In my experience, confusum from seed exchanges is still a bit of a lottery, as quite a lot is actually ssp crassifolium. These look ok though, I think...
Like the third one in particular. I will have to chase that roy for 9729.
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Like the third one in particular. I will have to chase that roy for 9729.
That one has a good dark flower as well (you can just see the red label in the pot to remind me) but didn't set seed from its first flowering last autumn. And I'll bear you in mind when I come to pot up the ex 9729 seedlings.
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Cyclamen coum naturalised beneath deciduous azaleas
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Oh, John, how lovely. we cannot get C. coum to do that here - it prefers the gravel paths and sand beds .... but to see them in such numbers - a delight! 8)
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It's taken me a long time Maggi but they are seeding all over the place now even in the grass but I still give them help by lifting the seedlings and placing them in gaps.They seem to like the leaf litter.
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Steve, I seems the amount of variation found so far in Cyclamen confusum is rather limited. The two photos show the best arrowhead leaf form found on a Cyclamen Society fiel study and the second has the brightest leaf markings on the plants that I grow.
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First flowers of Cyclamen hederifolium are appearing in our garden,
cheers
fermi
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The white hederifiolium are always the first here, too, fermi.
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John, your cyclamen are beautiful :)
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I have to thank ants for rather nice Cyclamen coum distributed in my front 'scree'. The third patch is growing through a large patch of Dryas octopetala.
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Cyclamen coum naturalised beneath deciduous azaleas
A Cyclamen fairy land!
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Hi to all just to say hello and i love all the pics of cyclamen of which I am a big fan
I am no newbie to Cyclamen but to the forum yes
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Hello Anthony, welcome!
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What good value cyclamen are the first of these plants started flowering in December it's persicum autumnale which is earlier than the others here but never really autumnal. We have had discussions in the past about this point ???
The other is straight persicum. All with a good scent
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a pots of seedlings that came as Cyclamen africanum sown a few years ago is beginning to bloom now.
are these C. africanum? like a large hederifolium.
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Cyclamen intaminatum is blooming again. this pot of seed was sown in Sept 2014- and bloomed in late winter 2015, fall 2015 and again now in Feb 2016.
now if only all the plants in the pots would boom at the same time
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finally got 2 minutes to take some photos
bottom alpine house - most of these coum had seeded in the plunge
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hederifolium seedlings - finally a good amount of silvers
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Coum - Golan Heights - with plenty of flowers - needs a decent pot next year
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Coum Golan Heights - close up so you can see the teeth on the edge of the flowers
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split seed in one of the tunnels - these have got to be dug out this year as it needs filling - hederifolium and coum
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why are all the best seedlings in the gravel below...........
This tunnel is to be emptied this year and everything in there will be recovered and potted up
some good leaf forms and some bi-colour flowers
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It went down to -5 last night where I live and I had forgotten that I had this tray of cyclamen seedlings from cs seed outside. It doesn't appear that the low temperatures have done any harm to them, c. confusum on the left and c. Coum subspecies caucasicum on the right. There are some nice leaf patterns and leaf shapes among them.
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The recent cooler weather seems to have prompted a Cyclamen graecum into bloom!
The initial pic was taken before some "housework" as recommended by Harry Jans at a photo workshop!
cheers
fermi
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A sure sign that autumn is upon us: my venerable Cyclamen greacum cultivar is excelling itself in its new home - it likes the western Cape! :D
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Cyclamen coum
Cyclamen x wellensiekii (libanoticum x cyprium)
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I found this cyclamen blooming amongst some iris. It's a seedling -- does anyone have an idea which it is? Hederifolium is past and its leaves are definitely not coum.
Thanks!
...Claire
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I found this cyclamen blooming amongst some iris. It's a seedling -- does anyone have an idea which it
Thanks!
...Claire
Cyclamen Pseudibericum
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A few cyclamen flowering now in the greenhouse.
First a seedling of a batch of C. pseudibericum ex OS 743 sown in 2010. This pot, intermingled with Ipheion, is the only one of the batch with any vigour. All other seedlings are only this year producing some flowers, and most plants have only 4 or 5 leaves.
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Next a pot of Cyclamen parviflorum, and a detail of a flower. Don't know if it is commonly flowering for such a long time, must be nearly 3 months now, overlapping with intaminatum which also kept going.
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I noticed some yellowing on young leaves on a variety of cyclamen this year, I don't think it is due to overwatering. Is it some kind of deficiency? Does anyone have an idea?
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Another problem is the perpetual struggle against baby greenfly. Initially they are nearly invisible and suck on the young leaves which consequently develop in a deformed way- a bit hunched. With spraying oil (like croptex) suggested in Pleione culture so hard (impossible- think it's off the market) to come by and systemic pesticides surely best not used too often, what do people use to prevent/ kill these? I have limited greenhouse space, everything gets crammed in to survive the cold spells, so re-infection is inevitable... Any practical solutions would be very welcome.
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Sorry same pic twice..
Here's C. alpinum with yellowing, and the greenfly on Allium atroviolaecum...
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Bart I had some similar yellow leaves on my parviflorum last year - looks a bit like your plant as it has shiny leaves and white flowers. This year it's ok. If anything I managed to overfeed it last year so unless what I managed to overfeed it with then caused a problem with it taking up some mineral then I don't think it's a deficiency. Propbably not overwatering either. (I've noticed you get yellow lreaves when you underwater too. Or they get too hot).
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It's amazing how bulbs continue to thrive, despite everything I do. Cyclamen coum Tilebarn Graham recently rediscovered after years of neglect.
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Margaret, sorry to say I don't think that is Tilebarn Graham. TG is very distinctive, Peter Moore describes it as looking like elegans with longer petals but I'd compare it to forms of C.pseudo-ibericum. I barely manage to keep it going here after buying a tuber from Peter, I suspect it's coming to the end of it's life and hasn't ever set seed. When I've tried to get it from Cyclamen Society seed so far it's turned out to be something else.
This is a pic from a few years back.
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It's amazing how bulbs continue to thrive, despite everything I do. Cyclamen coum Tilebarn Graham recently rediscovered after years of neglect.
No idea what the ID is of it - but what a good plant it is!
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That's a beautiful plant MargaretB. The silvered leaves compliment the shade of the flowers so well. Great when plants thrive with little intervention from us!
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The scruffiest lot of Cyclamen I've ever posted and indeed if I didn't need a picture for my own records I wouldn't have bothered:-
Cyclamen coum ex Nymans, one from Mike Quest
C. libanoticum, from seed
C. x wellensiekii, from seed that came as libanoticum
C. pseudibericum, from seed
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I don't think that is Tilebarn Graham. TG is very distinctive, Peter Moore describes it as looking like elegans with longer petals but I'd compare it to forms of C.pseudo-ibericum.
Hi Mark
These are seedlings reported from Tilebarn Graham started one year ago. Do any resemble TG?
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Rimmer, TG has silver/pewter leaves so there is one candidate there I think. But it's the flower that is unlike any other coum I've seen and you will know when it flowers.
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A pot full of mixed rhodium and repandium Or is there a better identity?
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A pot full of mixed rhodium and repandium Or is there a better identify?
flower looks like cyclamen rohlfsianum to me
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Found this Cyclamen flowering in my rockgarden,
where I thought to have only C. coum,
but this one doesn't look like coum to me ..... what do you think ?
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I think it is C.coum...but a very nice form.
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Thanks Melvyn.
I was not sure if this is among the variation in C. coum or
maybe another species....I'm not a Cyclamen expert
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Hello,
Could it be C. libanoticum, because of the visible "M"?
Already flowers in C. repandum at the moment.
Many C. coum.
Flower buds in C. libanoticum and C. pseudibericum.
All the best.
Gert-Jan
Achel (BE)
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The recent cooler weather seems to have prompted a Cyclamen graecum into bloom!
A month later and it is still flowering
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen libanoticum
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Hello,
Could it be C. libanoticum, because of the visible "M"?
Gert-Jan
Achel (BE)
Thanks Gert-Jan, sorry for the late reply - just realised your reply.
Do you think C. libanoticum could survive outside in Germany?
It must grow there for several years now - probably a seedling....
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flower looks like cyclamen rohlfsianum to me
Definitely repandum/rhodium. Cyclamen rohlfsianum has the anthers showing as well as the stigma.
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Thanks.
Are these the species or hybrids ? I like to separate these out but in Sept I only have the Cormbs to go by
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Fine portrait of the cyclamen of Spring, De.da - Cyclamen coum is always cheering to see.
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Found this Cyclamen flowering in my rockgarden,
where I thought to have only C. coum,
but this one doesn't look like coum to me ..... what do you think ?
looks like C.pseudoibericum close related to coum, crosses to libanoticum are possible
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Cyclamen hederifolium in white and pink flowering now,
cheers
fermi
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Thanks a lot, Maggi.
Daniel
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Cyclamen coum subsp. elegans, from Kurt Vickery.
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Cyclamen pseudibericum
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Cyclamen pseudibericum (OBS9) in the garden.
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Cyclamen parviflorum sown September 97
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Neat height to the flowers, Tony.
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Neat height to the flowers, Tony.
They are all like that.I collected the seed at the top of the Zigana Pass at just over 2000 metres its highest elevation. I think the lower level ones grow taller.
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Can someone with relevant experience please help me out with a bit of advice? I have a couple of pots of Cyclamen graceum seedlings, one year old bulbs now actively growing. I need to pot these up into a bigger pot but they are clearly over-crowded and I'm not sure if it's safe to break them up and space them out a bit? See attached picture.
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I sometimes use a bowl full of water and float them apart. The roots are quite long, but not too tangled together. If the compost is loose, I just gently tip the pot out and pull them apart without the need for water.
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And that won't set them back Anthony? I haven't unpotted and repotted cyclamens except when they are dormant so I wasn't sure...
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Does anyone know who donated seeds of Cyclamen rohlfsianum #1236 to the SRGC seed ex for 2014-15?
I have grown a small pot of these seedlings are they are very distinctive with thick shiney leaves (shown in first 2 photos)
that are quite different from the standard form of Cyclamen rohlfsianum that i have seen (shown in 3rd photo).
i was wondering if this was a locality variation.
i have tried 3 times to rotate and re-post these photes but they still are sideways.
i added 2 more picture of the succulent seedlings that should be upright.
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It's a loverly plant rimmer.
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Nice leaves, Rimmer,
here are some Cyclamen mirabile seedlings showing some nice pink colouring on the new foliage.
They were raised from AGS Seedex 2005 (so they're not really seedlings anymore)designated as "ex Tilebarn Nicholas"
cheers
fermi
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The pink Cyclamen graecum is still flowering 7 weeks after the first blooms but the white form is just starting,
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen repandum
Cyclamen repandum exJCA5157
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nice plants - I think they have been moved to C. rhodium and they'd be C. rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum.
as an aside - my December Cyclamen Society journal said the new Cyclamen Society site would be up in January - I'm still seeing the old one which is way out of date - anyone knows what happened?
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Thanks Mark.The top one is not as good as last year.The bottom one is second year flowering.
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Here are some of mine flowering now. C. purpurascens from Ashley and sown August 2014; C. cyprium and C. mirabile.
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Philip, I find it actually quite a robust plant when unbound. I had one escape into a trough and then I put it in the garden and the leaves are big. My strongest ones in the greenhouse are self sown into large pans or the plunge where the leaves get as big or bigger than C.africanum.
Anthony, nice plants!
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Mark,I took the top one to our last group meeting,where our judge/top grower said they are better in the ground.
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Beautiful repandum. I will try mine this year outside.
I found today between the seedlings from a motherplant originating as seeds from Jan Bravenboer, as a Lysander form, this special seedlings. Some are quite pink, but one looks from afar pur white. Its no albino form and underneath red.
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The underside from the white leaf one
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Axel,
geile Idee mit dem Spiegel!
j.
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Just took it from the snowdrops scene where it is important to have a look at the "unmentionables"
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Just took it from the snowdrops scene where it is important to have a look at the "unmentionables"
;D ;D ;D
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Seedlings of C. miracle 'Tilebarn jan' are certainly good seed-setters! Four inch pots and pods stacked high.
john
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Seedlings of C. miracle 'Tilebarn jan' are certainly good seed-setters! Four inch pots and pods stacked high.
john
Wow that is excellent seed set
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Yes it is.
Thats what C.hederifolium looks like just now after some Borax spraying.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14027.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14027.0)
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hello friends,
some years ago I received two purpurascens alba plants,
which flower this year first time.
unfortunately, the many flowerbuds dont open the same time. :(
Cyclamen purpurascens albiflora
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/purpu_alba_small.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
enjoy
cheers
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Maybe the plants will mature to open more flowers at the same time when thy are older and more established?
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Maggi,
maybe.........
these are about 5 years estimated, 3 years for me in the same pots.........
well fertilized.
tks.
dieter
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Oh, then maybe not! I thought they seemed younger, Dieter.
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I have two white Cyclamen purpurascens. I can't remember how old they are but probably as old as Dieter's. They are also very poor flowerers. I do not feed them so it's maybe time they were repotted.
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hello Roma,
repotting most times is no good idea for Cyclamen.
they dont like disturbing the rootsystem...........
just get a larger pot if necessary and feed slightly.
my plants are growing in 12 cm pots.
cheers
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...........as an aside - my December Cyclamen Society journal said the new Cyclamen Society site would be up in January - I'm still seeing the old one which is way out of date - anyone knows what happened?
It seems to have a gestation period of elephantic proportions, is it any nearer now?
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just been in the alpine house and C.Hederifolium 'Red Sky' is already putting up flowers - seems very early
does anyone have any advice about large corms which appear to have lost their growing points/eyes - the corms are solid and appear healthy but the growing points have rotted off
also I tend to be very tidy and remove all dead leaves - unformed seed - is it best to do this or tidy up later when they come into growth
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Cyclamen Hederifolium 'Red Skies' - not had a hederifolium flower on me this early before
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same again but seed is not yet open, just hope some of these are dark flowered forms
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good seed set on C.Coum
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C.Hederifolium - good seed set considering size of plant
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just been in the alpine house and C.Hederifolium 'Red Sky' is already putting up flowers - seems very early
does anyone have any advice about large corms which appear to have lost their growing points/eyes - the corms are solid and appear healthy but the growing points have rotted off
also I tend to be very tidy and remove all dead leaves - unformed seed - is it best to do this or tidy up later when they come into growth
As long as the corm is firm I take of the top dressing to expose the crown and then treat it as normal. Hopefully then some dormant buds will come into growth and it can be saved.
I clean mine of dead leaves and stalks as soon as they die down and the leaves are brown.
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As long as the corm is firm I take of the top dressing to expose the crown and then treat it as normal. Hopefully then some dormant buds will come into growth and it can be saved.
I clean mine of dead leaves and stalks as soon as they die down and the leaves are brown.
thanks Tony
I think I might have splashed a bit too much water about early last August /September - I have poked them tonight and the corms are firm enough - just hope they spring into life - if not I will try a light spray of superthrive
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Hi! Been for a while.....
C.purpurascens "Green Ice" is now in bloom in my garden. The smell is wonderful :)
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Lovely plant, Naoto.
I sowed some Cyclamen purpurascens seed from Thomas Huber two years ago in the cold frame (lost count about 280). A few germinated the first year but turned out to be hederifolium. Most germinated last year. I kept them moist so they kept growing. In June I pricked them off. From one overcrowded tray I now have 4 trays and one large bowl. Probably about 200 plants. The bigger tubers are in the bowl and at least 7 have flowered or about to flower. There are a few interesting leaf forms. I'll keep them at least another year so I can pick out the best.
I was surprised today to find Cyclamen mirabile coming into flower. This plant is usually early but not this early. Looks as if it will flower well this year. It did not have many flowers last year.
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Lovely to see all those different leaf forms, Roma. It might be difficult to choose the best next year!
My cyclamen all seem to be very early this year. The first C hederifolium in the garden opened on 18th June, and C intaminatum in early July. Acis autumnalis has been in flower since mid July. I hope there will still be flowers for Sept/Oct.
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I was surprised today to find Cyclamen mirabile coming into flower. This plant is usually early but not this early. Looks as if it will flower well this year. It did not have many flowers last year.
Roma - third picture down - does the one in the middle have a red upper leaf edge?
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Yes Graeme, it does have a red edge. The silver leaf, bottom left in the fourth picture has a thin red edge and the leaf it produced last year stayed pink all year.
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Autumn has arrived in the Outer Hebrides with the first Cyclamen hederifolium flower of the year! This is the first flower from a potful of about a dozen seedlings out of Jean Wyllie's Forrest Medal winning form.
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Cyclamen mirabile
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What a stunner!
...Claire
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Lovely Roma, when did you start watering. I haven't really started yet apart from a bit to stop the. Getting too dry.
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Thanks Claire and David. I had not started watering when the first flower appeared. There may have been a drip from the roof or some dampness at the base from other plants watered on the bench. Lewisia rediviva beside it are producing leaves.
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Mine is very early too Roma. I am glad to see yours as I thought it must be my memory at fault but was sure it is usually much later. Same goes for graecum, I have had two plants in peak flower for over a week and the rest are showing buds and leaves too. They got some water on Thursday as they clearly want to grow. I can see flower buds on graecum candicum or whatever we are supposed to call it now. I bought a tuber from the Wallises several years ago and though it has lovely leaves it has never produced a flower when plunged in the greenhouse. I liberated it to a frame this summer and it is now covered in buds :).
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Here are some pictures from the bulb frame yesterday. Same three plants from two angles: two C. graecum originally from a batch of seedlings from the late David Mowle, and a mirabile.
A quick count in the open garden revealed five species in flower: hederifolium, intaminatum, mirabile, cilicium, confusum.
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Cor! Crackers, Darren!!
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Thanks Maggi,
There are several other graecum elsewhere in the frame that are only just showing. I suspect some water must have seeped in under the frame at that end.
This is the best show I've ever had from graecum and didn't expect it because everything has been moved and repotted this year - many of the thick permanent roots were broken in the process of moving as they had extended beyond the pot drainage holes in the old frame. Just goes to show nothing is predictable about plants except their unpredictability!
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very nice Darren
Not got any Graecum at the moment - lost all of them the bad winter when the doors of the building they were in was frozen for over a month
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I lost a couple of really nice ones in the last cold winter in 2011. They were in a very thin walled wooden frame and froze right through. Hopefully the new frame bases, which are 20cm thick walls, combined with our usually very mild winters, will prevent this happening again. These plants shown survived the same freeze so hopefully are hardier. I can probably send you some seed next summer.
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Purpurascens
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Cyclamen mirabile with the leaves showing now
Cyclamen hederifolium at the front of the house
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This Cyclamen graecum looks a bit cramped
More comfortable now I hope
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Hello Roma,
Nice pictures of the path with Cyclamen.
Are these C. hederifolium?
Greetings
Gert-Jan, Belgium
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Yes, Gert-Jan. Cyclamen hederifolium. A few planted but mostly self sown.
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The new Cyclamen society website is up and running. www.cyclamen.org (http://www.cyclamen.org)
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The new Cyclamen society website is up and running. www.cyclamen.org (http://www.cyclamen.org)
Excellent news! And in time for the Birmingham Show on 11th September and the joint SRGC / Cyclamen Society event in Penrith on 24 and 25 September!
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sorry ....the new Website of the Cyclamen Society is not running for me !
I cannot understand why all other Websites have no Problems ...
Why is it not possibly to make it for all members ?
Hans :(
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if anybody is interested for pics of my plants/seedlings of
Cyclamen purpurascens v. carmineolinatum
Cyclamen purpurascens f.album
so please look here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14720.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14720.0)
Hans
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Hello,
Please find some pictures of C. graecum. After 5 years the first flowers. Plant grows close to a south facing wall.
Did not water them during warm and dry periods.
Kind regards and nice weekend.
Gert-Jan (BE)
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Some of my first Cyclamen in the greenhouse.
Cyclamen cilicium- the usual form. From seed.
C. cilicium- a nice dark form from my mate Mike Quest.
C. mirabile forma niveum ex 'Tilebarn Jan' from a 2009 sowing
C. hederfolium ssp. confusum from seed, a 2010 sowing
C. mirabile again from Mike Quest
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Cyclamen graecum ssp. anatolicum ( seed from Cyclamen Society sown 2004 ex CSE 91326 collected Monte Smith)
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sorry ....the new Website of the Cyclamen Society is not running for me !
I cannot understand why all other Websites have no Problems ...
Why is it not possibly to make it for all members ?
Hans :(
A wonder is happens ...I can open the Website of the Cyclamen Society ;D
Maybe it is a result from a higher DSL rate which we have since few days ::)
But there is a new Problem ( for me ) :
I cannot log in :
http://www.cyclamen.org/login/?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyclamen.org%2F (http://www.cyclamen.org/login/?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyclamen.org%2F)
I dont know my username and my Password ....or is this only for the Editor ?
The next Problem is about the payment p.e.with Paypal ...
If I press the Paypal button nothing happens ....
All my normal payments with PayPal are easy
Maybe could please anybody answer to my questions ...I know we have some members of the Cyc. Society here
Thanks in advance
Hans
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I think that link is only for the C. S. Editor, Hans.
The payment link for membership does not work for me either - best I think to email membership@cyclamen.org for help.
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Many thanks Maggi ;)
you are really helpful !
OK - the link is for the Editor
OK - I will write for the other question to the membership adress
Have a nice day
Hans
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I'm sure that there will be teething problems with the new site but once the society is aware of them they will be rectified. Also only the very basics are there at the moment there will be much more content added in the coming months.
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Thank you Pat :D
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Many thanks Maggi ;)
you are really helpful !
OK - the link is for the Editor
OK - I will write for the other question to the membership adress
Have a nice day
Hans
Hans - I was wondering if they were going to move the Cyclamen-L discussions onto there at some stage?
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I think the fresh new look and feel of the site is great. Well done to all the the Cyclamen Soc.
Looking forward to seeing it grow as more content is loaded.
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Graeme ,
it is long time ago that I have visit the Cyclamen L list ...
Hans
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The first C. rohlfsianum has opened and the others are close. The flowering one has nice short flowers and sturdy stalks which don't flop.
I thought I had lost the graecum growing points but they've made a miraculous recovery, even buds. The last pic shows a 30 year old graecum.
john
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John should these cyclamen be planted so high? with the tuber entirely above the soil/ gravel level?
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C. africanum with corm just showing, another 30 year old and a tight squeeze in a 16" pot. Another one from Cyclamen Society 1987 seed and hundreds of buds yet to open. And an old shot from 2008 in a 12" pot.
johnw
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High is mandatory for graecum and rohlfsianum here otherwise their crowns will rot away from botrytis in the once (?) dismal, foggy and damp days of November. They're 30 years old and flower reliably.
Here another rohlfsianum that was mistakenly planted as another species. Lacking air and extra grit it made a rather desperate attempt to surface but then the new crown rotted off before it reached the surface. Our climate is quite unlike yours, perhaps not this year but as a rule damp and foggy autumn till June/July.
john in Lycoris-free Nova Scotia
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I also keep graecum up high - that's because that is how it grows from seed here - persicum is another one that sits on the surface naturally.
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A recent Marcus Harvey blog on cyclamen.... http://hillviewrareplants.com.au/ramblings/cyclamen-a-race-of-thoroughly-individual-characters (http://hillviewrareplants.com.au/ramblings/cyclamen-a-race-of-thoroughly-individual-characters)
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I also keep graecum up high - that's because that is how it grows from seed here - persicum is another one that sits on the surface naturally.
Indeed Mark and I missed persicum, which as you say requires high planting as well. Back in the late 80's or early 90's the Cyclamen Society published a little pink-covered handbook on Cyclamen and there was a great little blurb on the planting depths of the various cyclamen species.
john
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Cyclamen cilicium CSE 08123
Cyclamen mirabile tilebarn jan, seeds from CS
Cyclamen hederifolium albiflorum, seeds from CS
Cyclamen hederifolium, seeds i collected near Opi, in the Abruzzo
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This year my cyclamen graecum has produced more flowers than ever before.
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Cyclamen graecum
Last season it refused to spring into life all together, and made only 1 leaf around March which soon disappeared again.
Cyclamen rohlfsianum is still dormant, except 1 plant which has flowered and is displaying nice leaves:
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum
And a cyclamen hederifolium, could be 'Ruby Glow,
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Cyclamen hederifolium
Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas' is finally showing some potential. Are the very floriferous specimens that people show really old plants? This one must be 5 years old and only ever produced a few flowers at any time
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Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas'
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Cyclamen intaminatum
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And a cyclamen hederifolium, could be 'Ruby Glow,
very elegant flower on that one - and colour is good as well
never sure how people get a lot of flowers on cyclamen? Some years I have loads of flowers - some years not - the plants that had loads on last year have very few on this year..... also the C Coum seem very very early this year into leaf (I have always wondered if removing the seed pods off plants makes them flower more the year after?)
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Hi Bart
I noticed that the tips of the petals on your dark hederifolium are bleached out. This is not a critism just an observation. I grow several dark forms including Jan bravenboers dark purple which is almost black. I used to suffer with the same thing. It is caused by exposure to bright light or direct sunlight. I moved my plants to a much shadier place several years ago and the problem never reoccoured. Hope this helps.
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Bart the tilebarn Nicholas - did you buy that or grow from seed - as it looks like most of the plants I have as tilebarn anne?
the Nicholas I had (lost this year) has a christmas tree leaf more like a coum
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I agree it is tilebarn Anne.
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... I grow several dark forms including Jan bravenboers dark purple which is almost black. ...
Having recently planted out a batch of 1-year seedlings I'm really looking forward to seeing them flower in due course.
Germination of this and other seed from JB was close to 100% so the quality is excellent.
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Having recently planted out a batch of 1-year seedlings I'm really looking forward to seeing them flower in due course.
Germination of this and other seed from JB was close to 100% so the quality is excellent.
I have some seedlings from red forms and dark forms which are now a year old - cannot wait to see the flowers
Been all day today in the alpine house where all my cyclamen are - found a tray full of cyclamen intminatum in flower under one of the benches - label said sown 2006 from own seed......... I still have the plant the seed came off and it must be 6" across - not flowered that well this year
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Hi Bart
I noticed that the tips of the petals on your dark hederifolium are bleached out. This is not a critism just an observation. I grow several dark forms including Jan bravenboers dark purple which is almost black. I used to suffer with the same thing. It is caused by exposure to bright light or direct sunlight. I moved my plants to a much shadier place several years ago and the problem never reoccoured. Hope this helps.
Hi Pat, that's interesting. I've had this one for years, and have moved it around, but not with the purpose of getting rid of the white tips. I thought it was a rather special feature! Might try it in a more shaded environment next year. I have one offspring planted in the 'woodland patch', and I think it has bleached tops too, but I will have to check.
I have some batches of Jan Bravenboers 'extreme dark purple' flowering first time this year, but so far none of them are any darker than this' ruby Glow' one...
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the Nicholas I had (lost this year) has a christmas tree leaf more like a coum
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Ok that's useful to know, thanks.
I keep a list of all the seed I get from different sources , and guess what, neither of them are listed in my records! :)
Typical. This must be SRGC seed from some 4-5?years ago. I will have to delve into my old magazines and see if I made a note. But for now I'll re-label it, and keep an eye on its brothers and sisters for a christmas tree.
I spotted another curious hederifolium today with silver leaves, and absurdly tiny flowers. For comparison I stuck a 'normal' white flower from a plant in the garden in the pot:
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Hederifolium tiny
It is perhaps not that clear in the picture, but the biggest flower of the tiny plant is 10mm, as opposed to 24mm for the normal one.
Anyone an idea if this is a named variety, or just a seasonal variation?
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum today.
john - sunny, 25c, humidity 46%
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Hello
i was two month ago in a Gardencenter and saw some Cyclamen. As really don't know this species i asked somebody from the Center if they are winter hard? She told me they don't bother snow but don't like cold. I said aha and bought one.
Could please anyone tell me what i have bought.
Thank you very much, Thomas
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some other species i have and don't know what it is. It had white Flowers.
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Hi Thomas, they look like the miniature florists' C. persicum to me. Some have a fab scent!
Maggi/ someone else, I don't know what went wrong with my previous post, but my own text came as part of a quote. Tried to edit it, but thought better of it...
Came across this sunny picture of C. graecum:
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Thank you very much Bart. So you think both of them are C.persicum ? I am asking because of the second one i took some seed and i have seedlings from them. So it's soon time to take them in the House.
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Such things happen, Bart - often to me! Luckily the readers generally work it out for themselves!
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Hi Thomas, they look like the miniature florists' C. persicum to me. Some have a fab scent!
Indeed, I grow 2 different colours of these. One pale pink that has the power to perfume a whole room, another dark pink that has no smell at all. They respond badly to a summer rest (one died upon receiving a dry summer rest - but I have seedlings of that one), so I keep them growing all year round and they flower even through summer.
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When they have finished flowering I put them in the garden (in the warmest place possible). Some last a few years and throw up more flowers, others just fade away.
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I had a beautiful red one, that I treated like any other persicum, so got rid of all the peat around the root as soon as it stopped flowering, repotted it in gritty compost and I had it for 6 years or so, until one year there were so many flower buds it got botryris and I lost the whole plant. Diameter of bulb was something like 18cm. If we hadn't moved on to windows 10, I could have found a picture of it, but I am at a complete loss as to how to get the view per year/ month like we used to have in windows 7... Another matter, but maybe someone can help?
Today glorious sunshine on some cyclamen:
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Cyclamen africanum
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Cyclamen rohfsianum
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Cyclamen hederifolium 'Album'
And a hederifolium with a very odd flower. It is only the second flower, I'll keep an eye out for this one. Any idea what this might be? No auricles compared to normal hederifolium.
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:) wasn't meant to be upside down, wasn't on my computer? 8) ???
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thank you all for your answers, Thomas
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:) wasn't meant to be upside down, wasn't on my computer? 8) ???
Fixed it for you, Bart!
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Thanks Maggi, your a star. So.. what happened, or does that go too far?
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Not a scooby doo, really, Bart! Usually it's a sideways turn that appears - which is something to do with how the pic was first taken/saved in the first place - beyond my technical pay grade, I'm afraid (which is zero, by the way!!) - I can fix it most times though!
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Impressive though how quick you spot someone in need though- have you got a search running for 'MAGGI!!!!' Thanks for that. Great job, great forum.
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Luck of the draw if I happen to be paying attention at the time - can take longer if I'm working on something else ! Happy to help!
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Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Anne' is in bloom
cyclamen cilicium
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Anyone has a cse list with the expeditions dates? thanks
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Yann, they can be obtained here
http://www.cyclamen.org/publications/ (http://www.cyclamen.org/publications/)
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See photos from the Cyclamen Society Show held over the weekend of events hosted by SRGC and the Cyclamen Society last weekend - click here in the Forum to see them (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14598.0).
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See photos from the Cyclamen Society Show held over the weekend of events hosted by SRGC and the Cyclamen Society last weekend - click here in the Forum to see them. (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14771.0)
Maggie - link is broken?
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Fixed now, Graeme - it's in the Events section: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14598.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14598.0)
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thank you David, i'll will order them.
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While weeding in the garden on the other side of a raised mound from where a Cyclamen graecum is growing, I found a number of seedlings!
Obviously the seeds had been carried by ants from over a metre away!
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen hederifolium no longer just available in pink or white, this group includes the rare very fragrant pure white form.
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Cyclamen hederifolium no longer just available in pink or white, this group includes the rare very fragrant pure white form.
very nice Melvyn
Like the topmost one best and the bottom right
Always found that the pure white ones are very vigorous plants - fragrant sounds good
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Cyclamen cyprium ex ES, from seed
C. africanum from seed sown November 2014 and flowering for the first time.
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Topmost plant is a cyclamen society plant from Corfu the plant on the lower right was found by the late David and Ruby Baker.
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Topmost plant is a cyclamen society plant from Corfu the plant on the lower right was found by the late David and Ruby Baker.
thanks Melvyn - I will post some photos of mine in flower later in the week - nothing as striking as yours though - Coum seem very early this year
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Cyclamen cyprium ex ES, from seed
C. africanum from seed sown November 2014 and flowering for the first time.
those cyprium ES are very nice - bought one off Mr Bond at Loughborough last Saturday just waiting to see what the leaf is like - flower is very elegent
gave up with africanum a while back - its too cold up here
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David your africanum's colors are great.
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gave up with africanum a while back - its too cold up here
It's spent all of it's life so far on the windowsill of our spare bedroom.
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Thanks Yann.
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As time goes by, several nice drifts of Cyclamen hederifolium are building in the garden.
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Been for a while!
Just got back from Wisley gardens.....better show than last year's. Cheers!
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nice :)
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I can see a very dark purple hederifolium lurking in the 3rd photo
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Farrer medal winning plant from Bob and Rannveig Wallis at the Ponteland show yesterday - Cyclamen maritimum - Turkish Form - photo from Sandy Leven.
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You can see more pix from the show - including lots os lovely cyclamen! HERE (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14797.0)
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A very good show at Wisley for the Cyclamen Society today.
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The thing is......
Last year (2015)
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This year (2016)
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Is that a Cyclamen elegans in Melvyn's 2nd photo - at the top or far right? I think I've seen November flowering forms seed for sale - unfortunately not been able to keep them.
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Greetings!
I am beginner at this forum , my first post :)
purpurascens from our forests.
I am sorry for my bad style - my English language is an accident
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Welcome Stonehill and thank you for showing these wild purpurascens 8)
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Cyclamen cilicicum is succesfully self seeding around.
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Stonehill, do not worry - we have native English speakers here whose English is also mostly an accident! ;D ;)
Lovely cyclamen pictures, thank you.
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thank you :)
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thanks for posting these stonehill. The few times I've seen C.purpurascens in the wild they have only had a flower or two - that would probably have been June-Aug. Do they build up to flower more later in the season or have I just been unlucky?
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The thing is......
Last year (2015)
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This year (2016)
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;) ;) ;)
Yes, there were some regular exhibitors missing last year, including me.
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Is that a Cyclamen elegans in Melvyn's 2nd photo - at the top or far right? I think I've seen November flowering forms seed for sale - unfortunately not been able to keep them.
Don't recall seeing any C. elegans at the show, Mark.
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Yes, there were some regular exhibitors missing last year, including me.
I am definitely going to go next year - I bet I have missed the CS seed distribution as well this year...
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I think you've missed the main distribution. It usually arrives about now.
But there will be the surplus distribution list published in the December Journal
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The few times I've seen C.purpurascens in the wild they have only had a flower or two - that would probably have been June-Aug. Do they build up to flower more later in the season or have I just been unlucky?
Purpurascens want water if they stand too dry they do not grow much flowers
Main flower is august, september but a bit they bloom until it snows
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I think you've missed the main distribution. It usually arrives about now.
But there will be the surplus distribution list published in the December Journal
I know it's been a poor year for seed, not as many donations as usual, so not sure how much will be left for the surplus distribution. Poor year for CSE seed as well.
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I had a poor year here. Most of the old C.persicums didn't get up, let alone flower & seed.
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This year might be better though if this graecum is anything to go by!
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Cyclamen graecum seed set 2016
Earlier in the year I spotted this seed pod on C. hederifolium album and thought it was unusually large:
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C. hederifolium seed pod
And finally a hederifolium looking lacquered in the drizzle...
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C. hederifolium 'Album' leaves
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Emerging with the first moisture are Cyclamen libanoticum leaves:
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Cyclamen libanoticum
It has been growing and flowering under a cotoneaster bush for some 4 years now and has set seed every year.
And a hederifolium selection from J. Bravenboer,
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C hederifolium.
Earlier I posted a query about a very small flowered hederifolium,(post 183) and another one with a very odd flower (post 192). does anyone have any comments on these please.
Great to see the pictures of the cyclamen show, thanks everyone for sharing! There is a beautiful really plum-black hederifoium in one of the pictures. So far all my plants from seed from 'extreme dark purple' plants have turned out very pale pink- nearly white! I'll keep trying...
Thanks too, stonehill for the great pics of C.purpurascens. Mine are growing near the C.libanoticum, sso probably way too dry for good flowering. I'll find somewhere wetter, although that isn't so easy where we are, it seems to get drier and drier over spring and summer..
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Hi Bart
The dark hederifolium at the show was mine one of three that I have. If you would like seed from it remind me next May and I will happily send you some.
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That would be great Pat, certainly will pm you next spring! Thank you.
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Cyclamen cilicium dans la maison de verre
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The dark hederifolium at the show was mine one of three that I have.
Pat - where did that plant originally come from as it is a real head turner?
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All came from Jan several years ago and all are equally as good although the one shown may be a shade darker. They start to flower in July and last into early November every year. The best advice I can give is if you do get one then never let it see the sun, the more shade it gets the deeper and richer the colour. The same applies if you would like some seeds then please remind me
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The best advice I can give is if you do get one then never let it see the sun, the more shade it gets the deeper and richer the colour.
Would it grow well without adequate sunlight? ??? ....Well I'll have bash next year! :)
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gratulation for the very beautiful cyclamen from the show
sry my broken english
seedling from my forest, goes with me at home
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Cyclamen cilicium dans la maison de verre
those are Cyclamen hederifolium
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Here are two pictures of C. Hederifolium grown from seed from one of my plants. The corms are the same size BUT one plant produces flowers before any leaves are visible whereas the other produces leaves before any flowers. Why should this be? Seems very strange to me.
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I have often wondered about this too. According to C. Grey-Wilson in his cyclamen book, this may be partly attributed to seasonal variations, but some specimens always flower before producing leaves. I have some white ones in my garden which do this consistently.
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I thought this was down to the amount of water they get. Keep dry and you just get flowers (of course too dry and no flowers and no plant).
It's a problem with C. rohlfsianum where the leaves can sometimes hide the flowers. Same too with C. graecum.
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Surely seasonal variation includes amount of water the plant gets, as well as temperature and light levels.
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The plants are kept outside in exactly the same conditions so there would appear to be no difference in their treatment.
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those are Cyclamen hederifolium
What do you see? they were bought as Cyclamen cilicium. They have not yet sheets.
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What do you see? they were bought as Cyclamen cilicium. They have not yet sheets.
C, cilicium flowers don't have auricles whereas they are quite prominent in hederifolium. Those little swellings/lobes at the end of the flower.
http://www.cyclamen.org/plants/species/cyclamen-cilicium/ (http://www.cyclamen.org/plants/species/cyclamen-cilicium/)
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I scammed yet. I hate these firms that sell the same bulbs in two or three different names in order to sell more.
thank you for your reply SJW
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I scammed yet. I hate these firms that sell the same bulbs in two or three different names in order to sell more.
thank you for your reply SJW
I know, it's really frustrating. Let's hope your hederifolium at least have decent leaves! I don't know how far away the Dutch Green Ice nursery (Jan en Mieke Bravenboer) is from where you are in Belgium but you can rely on the provenance of their stock. They have some excellent plants and also do mail order.
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Home, the Cyclamen hederifolium are doing well, the Cyclamen coum also elsewhere. They begin to colonize the low hedges.
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I put the larger cyclamens outdoors yesterday to see if I might increase the seed set, they will stay out till frost threatens. When seedling purpurascens, coum and hederifolium are in flower in the greenhouse the pollinators will just about tear the door down to get in, I spend alot of time ctaching them and taking them back outside. On this sunny warm day the honeybees, wasps, flies and hoverflies are out and ignoring the cyclamen completely. In fact the honeybees are wasting their time examing the small to tiny rosettes of encrusted saxifrages, I guess the shape says flower to them but why make such a mistake at this time of year?
1 Cyclamen rohlfsianum
2 Cyclamen rohlfsianum
3 Cyclamen graecum
4 Cyclamen africanum
johnw - +16c
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Couple of nice rohlfsianum there John, not forgetting the africanum.
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a couple from me - a rather nice flowered C. mirabile ex CSE collection and C. intaminatum seedlings which I put in a trough over 20 years ago.
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2selected cyclamen hederifolium
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Cyclamen graecum fully leafed out today.
johnw - +11c & sprinkling, 40mm of the way.
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great colour, Ruben.
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I just received a generous great gift and comes from far away. I just plant them so they are a bit tousled. The flash light does not put them in value. I can now say, "Here Cyclamen cilicium". I would do a photo when they mark signs of recovery.
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hi, has anyone got their Cyclamen society seed yet? I thought it usually arrives early October here in the UK
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hi, has anyone got their Cyclamen society seed yet? I thought it usually arrives early October here in the UK
forgot to order so won't be getting any :( however someone had commented that seed set was poor this year
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Huh? Are you guys talking about the ordinary CS seeds or the CSE seeds? I haven't heard anything about the CSE seeds yet! (or have I missed it? ???)
By the way, I obtained some seeds of Corfu Red and sowed them last year....but the germination is so poor. Only three or four of it just have come up so far....... :'(
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I'm talking about the main distribution.
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I see, Mark.......Even they didn't have any @ Wisley a couple of weeks ago.
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As far as I am aware Roy who has run the exchange for the last few years has expressed a desire to step down but agreed to have the seed sent to him this year. So the seed distribution is going through a problamic period this year until a replacement is found. This will probably explain why the seed is late this year. Also it has been a very bad year for cse seed.
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A 12 month-old Cyclamen hederifolium seedling is flowering :)
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An early baby YT?
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thank you Pat, I didn't want to add to Roy's burden by e-mailing him.
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An early baby YT?
I think so, David. It's the first time for me. C. hederifolium usually requires 1 more growing season to flower at here.
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Razvan Chisu is on an AGS Holiday to Greece and has been posting some super photos in Facebook of the flowers and places he's seeing - however, this compilation of foliage from Cyclamen graecum really caught my eye.....
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Meanwhile, from the USA, Saori ("peppa" ) has posted these Cyclamen hederifolium leaves ....
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And Melvyn Jope has posted these - from England !
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When we find a great new hederifolium the single word response is usually "Melvyn" then verify by the label. A few of his here.
johnw
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I thought this looks like a particularly smart leaved persicum.
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Again from Razvan Chisu in Greece - this time Cyclamen graecum flower forms!
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I thought this looks like a particularly smart leaved persicum.
I'd certainly say so!
john
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When we find a great new hederifolium the single word response is usually "Melvyn" thern verify by the label. A few of his here.
johnw
oooh - I like all of them
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oooh - I like all of them
So do I :D
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hi, has anyone got their Cyclamen society seed yet? I thought it usually arrives early October here in the UK
Hi Mark,
my seeds arrived today. I presume everyone will get theirs very soon! Thanks again Roy Skidmore!
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And Melvyn Jope has posted these - from England !
Fantastic hederifolium leaves everyone! I can look at them for hours in the garden... My collection is steadily growing, thanks to the seed exchanges, and now some spontaneous appearances of interesting forms. Here's one of them, ex cse:
Cyclamen hederifolium ex cse 93073
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One that caught my eye is a silver whirligig- type, as shown in the picture of ' Marco ten Hoope 's collection' , 2nd row 2nd from left, on page 133 of the book 'Genus Cyclamen...'by Brian Mathew. Does anyone grow anything similar, and if so... don't suppose there would be some spare seed at some point...? ;D Or of course a nice picture would do.
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mine arrive too :)
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I have been a bit lazy about posting pics of my Cyclamen this year but here are a few
Cyclamen hederifolium in the gravel at the front of the house Been flowering since August.
Cyclamen hederifolium - seedlings from 'Red Sky'
Cyclamen hederifolium - very small flowers and leaves. Someone asked a while back if their Cyclamen hederifolium with small flowers would have bigger flowers when it got older, well this one has always had tiny flowers and leaves.
Cyclamen cyprium
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Cyclamen graecum
Cyclamen rohlfsianum
Cyclamen purpurascens - about a dozen tubers in the pot. Two years from sowing and one year from germination
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Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas', from the same sowing as the mirabile I showed a while ago. This is a smaller plant and flowers much later.
Cyclamen mirabile - 3 older tubers in this pot. Seedlings from tubers bought in Woolworths many years ago as Cyclamen hederifolium when Cyclamen mirabile was not thought to be in cultivation.
Cyclamen intaminatum in a large pot (with rocks). Two pics of the first taken a few days apart. Both have been flowering a long time but usually only one or two flowers at a time.
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Should have said some of the leaves in the second Cyclamen mirabile photo are Cyclamen hederifolium possibly from re-used grit.
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Should have said some of the leaves in the second Cyclamen mirabile photo are Cyclamen hederifolium possibly from re-used grit.
pale leaf - bottom right? - great photos I am very impessed by the tilebarn plants
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Some leaf forms of Cyclamen rohlfsianum
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Some leaf forms of Cyclamen rohlfsianum
Very nice "babies" and a super selection of leaves.
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Some plants are very slow to get going. C. cyprium is one of them, but I have massive variation in C. mirabile. Here is a picture of some very odd looking tissue, that at first looked as if the tuber had gone off. But now you can see the first baby leaf:
Cyclamen mirabile
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Cyclamen persicum var. autumnale
- the first one of 4 (one plant is still dormant)
Gerd
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Gerdk
I love the twist in the petals absolutely lovely.
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Cyclemen x hildebrandii from SRGC seed ex 1.5 years ago
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Thank you Pat!
Gerd
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Three cyclamen in the garden, bought from the local garden centre. Described as good for hanging baskets. No name and they don,t look all that hardy. We had frost last night. I bought five last year and they coped with last winter. I think the leaves are interesting as well as the flowers. img. 1020150.
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Hello! I would be greatly appreciated if anyone could answer my question for me noob - what is the difference between "ex CSE seeds" and "site-numbered CSE seeds"? ??? Aren't both the same?
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Yes there is a big difference. The CSE list contains seed from the original collected plants that are still alive and are being looked after by members. These will have a number attached to them ie 93159G. This is plant 159 collected in 1993 in Greece. Seed from this plant should hopefully give you some seedlings that have the characteristics of the parent plant. Ex CSE seed is seed from subsequent generations of seedlings from collected plants which may still be showing the characteristics of the original but they may be weakened as generations progress but are still traceable back to the original collected plant. Hope this makes sense.
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in the 2 or 3 million bookmarks i seem to have I remebered this one
http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1 (http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1)
Not sure if any of these plants are still alive but an intersting set of photos - anyone got any links to pictures of any of the other cse plants?
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Not sure if any of these plants are still alive but an intersting set of photos - anyone got any links to pictures of any of the other cse plants?
Yes, some of them are still alive although obviously over time there are casualties. In due course the revamped Cyclamen Society website should have more plant photos uploaded, and I expect CSE plants will also feature - where images are available. The photos you linked to, of plants in the care of Tim Murphy at the time, would be good to have available on the new website, for example.
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Is there a list of all the CSE plants that are still alive
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@cycnich
So.....you meant that the CSE seeds with the certain numbers I obtained last year are F1, and ex CSE seeds are F2....am I right? ???
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@cycnich
So.....you meant that the CSE seeds with the certain numbers I obtained last year are F1, and ex CSE seeds are F2....am I right? ???
If they were from the CSE seedlist then it is the seed from the parent (collected) plant. So first generation. From seed exchanges, ex CSE seed can be from any offspring of the original collected plant - could be seed from a 2nd generation plant, or from many generations down the line. A good example is ex CSE C. coum seed. I don't think any of the parent plants are still alive - they were collected in the late '80s - so any seed these days will be from subsequent generations of ex CSE plants.
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Thanks Steve for explaining that so well.I was beginning to confuse myself.
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@SJW, @cycnich
Thanks a million! Now it's crystal clear.....
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A hederifolium with a pink flush, via Melvyn's seed of course.
johnw - dark, soggy & dismal.
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Gorgeous!
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...A good example is ex CSE C. coum seed. I don't think any of the parent plants are still alive - they were collected in the late '80s - so any seed these days will be from subsequent generations of ex CSE plants.
You never know what's going to pop up but if you know what the parent plant looks like then you can rogue out the seedlings. C. coum ex CSE 88397, for example, should have bright silver leaves with a contrasting green X-mas tree centre. There is one named C. coum plant in cultivation which was introduced from a Cyclamen Society expedition (Israel 1990): 'Golan Heights'. The collection number was cse 90417 and it breeds true in cultivation - an albissimum form with plain green leaves. The field notes say the parent plant was collected from Mas'ada on the road to Odem and El Rom. Altitude 1125 m (3390 ft). North-northwest aspect, coarse terra rossa clay with outcrops of basaltic lavas and areas of loose stones.
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The originals might be alive. I have Cyclamen purpurascens tubers collected in 1981. Until recently I had C.mirabile from the infamous Woolworth's dried "hederifolium" offerings (I bought 4, two turned out to be cilicium, 2 were mirabile).
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i really love the free seedlings of cyclamen coum
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i really love the free seedlings of cyclamen coum
some great silvers next to the fence
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A hederifolium with a pink flush, via Melvyn's seed of course.
johnw - dark, soggy & dismal.
John - they look like the leaf of the ones that are sold as the Silver Me range to me
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F.Y.I......previously unreleased pix @ CS show Wisley last month. While people in the venue were rather interested in prize-winning cyclamens, I was more interested in the following.
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continued.....
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From earlier this month but still flowering
Cyclamen graecum
Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen intaminatum - the flowers have not been damaged by the recent frosts whereas all Cyclamen hederifolium flowers outside are gone
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A particularly well-flowered purpurascens, Roma. Very nice.
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Cheating a bit, Matt. There are about 12 small tubers in the pot. When I separated out the one year old seedlings in June I placed the biggest tubers, some already showing flower buds in a large pot which I have kept in the greenhouse. The smaller ones are in trays in the cold frame.
Same pot in June.
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Roma really lovely. I bought some nice cyclamen from Ashwoods this summer. Can't wait till they bulk up and get a nice display of flowers. The leaves are giving me a wonderful display in the greenhouse at the moment so I am happy but can't wait till I get a pot like yours ;D
Angie :)
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Cyclamen intaminatum first flowering ,a nice pink
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Nice little plant Tony. My first thought was that it is a bit of a strange time for it to flower, but when I checked my pictures they were from January, July and October. I suppose now is more or less normal. Anyone else gets flowers in spring and summer in this species?
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Nice little plant Tony. My first thought was that it is a bit of a strange time for it to flower, but when I checked my pictures they were from January, July and October. I suppose now is more or less normal. Anyone else gets flowers in spring and summer in this species?
Quite normal flowering time for me. The parent plants and these seedlings have been flowering for most of October and November. I still have odd flowers on C. mirable and C. cilicicum.
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on which temperature are your keeping the Seedlings of C.persicum and C. rholfsianum during Winter ?
Thank you for your help, Thomas
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on which temperature are your keeping the Seedlings of C.persicum and C. rholfsianum during Winter ?
Thank you for your help, Thomas
cool room temperature is fine. 40-60ºF (think windowsill or basement floor)
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thank you very much Rimmer for your answer. I have them around 62. I am looking for a bit cooler Place in the House.
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Purpurasens Album, just under a year from seed to flower.
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if you get some C.hederifolium seed at this time of the year so what would you do ? Sow it now and keep around 15-20 C or wait till spring ?
Or any others suggestions? Thank you very much for your help, Thomas
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I'd sow now - I have all my seeds in a room, pots under plastic bags and then I put a black bin bag over them to keep the light out. I also soak them for a day in warm water with a drop of detergent.
After about 3 weeks I check them every few days, when they germinate I move them out into the greenhouse.
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I do exactly the same as Mark although if I have the space I keep the pots of young seedlings on a south-east facing windowsill indoors rather than move them straight to the greenhouse. They appreciate the extra warmth and I find they make good growth throughout the winter if given good light.
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Thank you both for the answer. Will go the way you have suggested, thank you, Thomas
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I was sort of thinking about it as I wrote it but I agree with Steve, if I had somewhere relatively cool and light in the house I wouldn't move them to the greenhouse immediately - but I know they would just shrivel up in the house as it's too hot and dry.
I suspect also it may stop any un germinated seed from sprouting with so great a temperature change.
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I delayed sowing seed until April this year to see if germination rates improved. They were about the same as winter sowing (between 5 and 10%). Photo shows C. rohlfsianum seedlings. They were sown in the greenhouse in April and have been there since img. 1020244.
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C. rohlfsianum seedlings sown 2 September 2016 (3 months ago) started outside and brought inside basement when temps became consistently close to freezing. Both pots have the same lot of seeds.
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This is Cyclamen elegans, flowering since a couple of weeks this season.
Gerd
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Gerd, that looks great, elegans can be a tricky thing.
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Gerd, that looks great, elegans can be a tricky thing.
Thank you, Mark!
Why do you think C. elegans is tricky? For me the species is as easy as 'normal' C. coum.
There is one exception however - I never had seeds from 2 different clones.
Gerd
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Hello,
One week to go for Christmas. Cyclamen did well this year. Wishing you all a lovely Christmas and a very good, healthy and lucky 2017.
Gert-Jan Achel (BE)
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A perfectly festive Cyclamen, Gert-Jan!
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Cyclamen hederifolium is still flowering in the garden after several months, and now the C. coum is starting to flower.