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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Maggi Young on December 02, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
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Thanks Cyril. I'm going to propagate this plant ;)
By the way, where have regular formists gone ??? They suddenly disappeared from crocus topic.
There are quite a few regulars forumists posting in the private world of Facebook, Tatsuo.
I think it a shame that they are not sharing their photos and experiences with a wider public, especially when so much has been made available to them here.
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Sorry to hear that, Maggi :(
The reason I started growing more crocuses is because this forum sparked my interest.
I guess unavoidable circumstances made them to go Facebook.
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It is very simple to post pictures to Facebook from a Smart phone and there is the attraction of the "like" button ! Everyone enjoys being liked and for some it seems that is more important than helping to build a permanent searchable resource such as we have here to the benefit of anyone , anywhere, who is seeking information on plants. Sad, but inevitable in a world of instant gratification I suppose.
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December and now started with flowering (all in open ground):
2 forms of Crocus laevigatus
Crocus cartwrightianus late form
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Searching among facebook posts is a challenging task, forum is still the perfect structure for archives ordered.
Back on topic, in the greenhouse the autumn Crocus are wilted and the spring ones are just in spreading.
So i guess it's the same for several of us, this explaining the lull period.
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Too windy here to open the bulb frame, let alone take any photos! :( We might have a calm dry spell just before sundown tomorrow. Here's hoping anyway, as I've been house-bound and not had a good look at my plants in days :'(
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It is very simple to post pictures to Facebook from a Smart phone and there is the attraction of the "like" button ! Everyone enjoys being liked and for some it seems that is more important than helping to build a permanent searchable resource such as we have here to the benefit of anyone , anywhere, who is seeking information on plants. Sad, but inevitable in a world of instant gratification I suppose.
I keep popping in but not many in flower here now. Here's a survivor of the bad weather from a few days ago. Crocus laevigatus.
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Great to see such good, healthy Crocus - especially cheering in December!
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'Just' some C. laevigatus from me too - CEH612 and a form with excellent markings that came from Dirk.
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Matt, nice to see this Crocus laevigatus.
Here some from my garden:
Crocus caspius
'' melantherus, seedlings in several forms
'' laevigatus
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Crocus melantherus
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Very nice Steve,just been to see them in the wild where they were soggy with rain.
Crocus pelistericus in flower.
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Change of the season ....
Crocus macedonicus and Crocus fleisherii both flowering at the same time .....
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beautiful colors contrast
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Change of the season ....
Crocus macedonicus and Crocus fleisherii both flowering at the same time .....
Yes, it is a strange season. The autumn flowering Crocus was very late, and now Pelistericus, one of the latest spring Crocus is flowering, not to mention yours, Kris.
None of mine are in flower, but there are 4 cm leaves and at least one seed pod :) on my Crocus scharojanii.
Poul
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Crocus vitellinus, from JJA 354.706 : Lebanon, M'tein. 875m. Ex. R. & R. Wallis 99-26.
Dear Tatsuo,
I lost this sample some years ago. I got it as corm by wish of Jim Archibald. It happened in first season - it bloomed with me in late autumn and in spring was died. I think it was lost by RRW, too (by their mail when I searched for replacement). Very nice to see that alived somewhere as now revisiting of area is far too dangerous. May be we can swap with some corm/cormlet next summer?
Janis
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By the way, where have regular forumists gone ??? They suddenly disappeared from crocus topic.
Sorry, I had some health problems - it is main reason why I'm not more putting entries (rarely visiting my greenhouses and office), and here started darkest time - very few crocuses still with flowers - nothing new to show, too. And I'm very busy with some writing - must to finish new manuscript before new travel season will start (in March). But I didn't left our forum!
Janis
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Here very strange season, too. Still plenty of flowers on melantherus and laevigatus, much on veneris, few goulimyi, moabiticus still not started (it seems that flower-buds of it will remain inside catafills) but weather is so dark, that they are staying in tight buds. Last week we had one sunny day when I visited my greenhouses, but flowers still remain almost closed. Most dangerous that many, many spring bloomers showed noses out of pots, fortunately still no flowers. Weather broadcast offers minor snow and some frost at Christmas, but Global Forecast predicts still warm January and February with frost in March. That could be quite horrible.
Janis
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Sending you our very best wishes for better health, Janis. I'm sure you always do too much work! :-*
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Take good care of youself, Janis ;)
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Janis yes we all wish you well, keep warm and take care of yourself.
I just went out to the bulb houses to see if we had any Crocus in flower to cheer up the Crocus fans and here are a few not very happy specimens but then it is very cold and damp today just 0C no frost but feels very cold with the dampness.
Two species in flower are Crocus laevigatus and Crocus caspius, poor pictures because it is like twilight here.
Just noticed the thread is still for November, now it is 14 December.
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A little rest and I prepared some pictures from last week. Today all flowers were tightly closed.
The first is interesting Cretan form of Crocus cartwrightianus. Brian Mathew recommended for me to give more attention to this one and he wrote a lot about it in his Monograph. May be in autumn will try to visit Crete again.
Then Crocus hyemalis from Israel. Nice black anthered species, blooming quite late here.
And few pictures of Crocus laevigatus.
Janis
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Just noticed the thread is still for November, now it is 14 December.
Yes, well there were comments pertaining to November!! Have moved your posts to December now.
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A little rest and I prepared some pictures from last week. Today all flowers were tightly closed.
The first is interesting Cretan form of Crocus cartwrightianus. Brian Mathew recommended for me to give more attention to this one and he wrote a lot about it in his Monograph. May be in autumn will try to visit Crete again.
Then Crocus hyemalis from Israel. Nice black anthered species, blooming quite late here.
And few pictures of Crocus laevigatus.
Janis
Take care, Janis. Fine flowers showing in last week's sunshine. Very cold, damp and dark here now.
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Here some Crocus mazziaricus from Greece.
Two pictures from Moni Romvou is close to locus classicus from very W of Pelopones.
Those from Thiva and Larissa are from E side of Greece. Sorry, flowers regardless of sun remained closed.
Now outside is snowing and raining - horribly wet and cold.
Janis
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The label reads - "Crocus biflorus sp. ex Gothenburg"
Can anyone hazard a guess at what it might be. With the dismal weather this is the best photo I could take
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The label reads - "Crocus biflorus sp. ex Gothenburg"
Can anyone hazard a guess at what it might be. With the dismal weather this is the best photo I could take
Impossible to identify by picture. Do you know Gothenburgs aquisitiion number?
Janis
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May be last pictures this year (of course if will not start blooming of spring crocuses - weather is so strange...)
The first is Crocus laevigatus from Ikaria Island, originally collected by Arnis Seisums.
Then Crocus pumilus (?) from Crete, but in this pot seems that some mix occured - there were typical plants from Crete which finished blooming some time ago and now suddenly came out few identical, but looking more as laevigatus. How it happened - I don't know but all were marked to take out at harvesting.
And the last is very nice Crocus tournefortii 15GRS-019 from Rhodos Island, collected by me only this spring, so the first blooming with me.
Janis
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Very nice Crocusses Janis
Here today 15 degrees celcius! Much to warm for the time of the year. But Crocusses do not flower earlier as usual here
Crocus laevigatus 'Fontenayi'
Crocus korolkowii from Mongol tau Mts in Uzbekistan
Crocus laevigatus CEH 612
Crocus reticulatus from Moldavia (Thanks to Dirk Schnabel)
Crocus imperatii ssp. suaveolens 'De Jager'
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Pretty Crocus korolkowii, Ruben. I sometimes think this species is a bit overlooked.
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Excellent korolkowii, Ruben!
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Crocus biflorus subsp. punctatus
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Crocus biflorus subsp. punctatus
Sorry, Wim, but this is Crocus babadagensis - punctatus has blue ground colour. Very characteristic for C. babadagensis (described in 2012) is blackish tips of anthers. Although with same petals outside both are very distant geographically and has different morphological characters, too. Before 2012 both were distributed under name punctatus but now better to correct name.
Schocked by so early bloomiong. What when will come frost?
Janis
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Sorry, Wim, but this is Crocus babadagensis - punctatus has blue ground colour. Very characteristic for C. babadagensis (described in 2012) is blackish tips of anthers. Although with same petals outside both are very distant geographically and has different morphological characters, too. Before 2012 both were distributed under name punctatus but now better to correct name.
Schocked by so early bloomiong. What when will come frost?
Janis
Thanks for the correction, Janis! I'll change my label. It's flowering a month earlier than last year....no frost over here, at least until the end of the month. Minimum temperatures stay around 10°C during the night.
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Wim
I really like your Crocus babdagensis :) Could you please tell me who supplied the corms.
Arthur
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Wim
I really like your Crocus babdagensis :) Could you please tell me who supplied the corms.
Arthur
Arthur,
they came from Kirsten and Lars Andersen, the collection number is HKEP9708
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Benefitting from the fleeting sun -
Crocus adamii
A Crocus from Kot - can anyone suggest which sub specie it is.
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Arthur,
they came from Kirsten and Lars Andersen, the collection number is HKEP9708
Thanks Wim - I must try to get some as I think the stippling on the outside of the petals is excellent.
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Thanks Wim - I must try to get some as I think the stippling on the outside of the petals is excellent.
HKEP 9708 is the single acquisition in cultivation at present. Grown in Gothenburg BG and I suppose that will be offered by my successor Liga in her catalogue sometimes in January - she now is working on it.
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Spring feeling in December, very strange and much to hot weather. I grow almost all my bulbs in open ground so they are not much earlier than usual (thanks god) pff
Crocus imperatii ssp. suaveolens 'De Jager'
Crocus fleischeri 'Gulek Pass'
Crocus sieberii 'Bowles White'
Crocus korolkowii from Mongol tau mts in Uzbekistan
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Some nice-looking crocus Ruben!
Here in West Fife the weather has been very mild but also wet & windy (as usual).
I grow almost all of my crocus under glass as most crocus flowers don't last long in the open garden here. This year the cool summer and warm winter have brought many plants into flower ridiculously early. The warmth, humidity and poor light levels encourage lax growth, flopping floral tubes, flowers that don't open ......and then botrytis. Here are three that should not be flowering at this time of year:
Crocus michelsonii -A form initially collected from Turkmenistan by Jan Jilek.
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Crocus caricus -Straggly asymmetrical flower due to low light.
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Crocus x goteburgensis -a very attractive and robust hybrid of impeccable parentage. This particular clone was created by Tony Willis. Once I have enough I will try it in the open garden.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/750/23238428844_5326f53262_o.jpg)
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Some nice-looking crocus Ruben!
Here in West Fife the weather has been very mild but also wet & windy (as usual).
I grow almost all of my crocus under glass as most crocus flowers don't last long in the open garden here. This year the cool summer and warm winter have brought many plants into flower ridiculously early. The warmth, humidity and poor light levels encourage lax growth, flopping floral tubes, flowers that don't open ......and then botrytis. Here are three that should not be flowering at this time of year:
Fantastic pictures! The last at first look as pure scardicus, but later noted brownish veining and flush confirming hybrid origin with C. pelistericus,
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Here today +12 C - the warmest since 1932 for 20th December. In greenhouse still blooms melantherus, laevigatus and few others and for great surprise all cambessedesii regardless of very dull weather had completely open flowers. Another surprise - finally C. moabiticus pushed flower buds out of cataphylls, but they still did not open. Extremely late, although it is late bloomer, but never was so late. Between spring bloomers only few flowers of C. hittiticus were out but finished blooming without opening. I hadn't camera with me, so not pictured those few blooming crocuses, only noted very strong scent of C. melantherus.
Janis
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Ruben i love the ray of light on the imperatii, you catched it!
Steve as always fantastics photos, if you have surplus of goteburgensis you can knock on my door ;D
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Wow Steve .....great plants and great pictures . Congrats !!!!!
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Once again Crocus fleisheri from Chios ....
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Once again Crocus fleisheri from Chios ....
That's a really bonny looking Crocus Kris!!!
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Yup, it's got a style with Style!!
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Thanks Steve and Maggi . Chios delight ..... ;D
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Thanks Steve and Maggi . Chios delight ..... ;D
Yes. tasty!
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Very nice pictures of stunning Crocus Kris and Steve!!
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Chios plants of C. fleischeri quite often has dark brownish stigmas, but not always. I gathered some corms on 8 localities in Chios (was accompanied by Kees Jan) and stigmas varied from pale yellow to almost dark brown, most interesting was one gathering where two individuals had black connective on anthers (picture from last spring). I'm adding few more picture fragments from Crocus flaischeri on Chios - pictured last spring in my collection - note variability of stigma and throat colours.
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Chios plants of C. fleischeri quite often has dark brownish stigmas, but not always. I gathered some corms on 8 localities in Chios (was accompanied by Kees Jan) and stigmas varied from pale yellow to almost dark brown, most interesting was one gathering where two individuals had black connective on anthers (picture from last spring). I'm adding few more picture fragments from Crocus flaischeri on Chios - pictured last spring in my collection - note variability of stigma and throat colours.
Very interesting Janis , thanks for adding this information .I have two other forms with dark petals (outside of the flowers) But they are not flowering yet . Here some pictures from 2014 ....
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Excellent forms, Kris! I have only striped and never saw with completely purple outside. How looks inside?
For all Croconuts : Just are published excellent article from Dorte Harpke and HKEP about morphology and development of Crocus plants. Nothing so complete was seen before!
And another one - with 6 more new species - still not studied the last but you can download both on
http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0027-0065.pdf (http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0027-0065.pdf)
http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0067-0080.pdf (http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0067-0080.pdf)
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nice flowers from all, here my first spring species,
Crocus fauseri
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Very nice that Crocus fauseri Dirk!
Here some korolkowii's start to flower:
Crocus korolkowii from Varzob Mountains (1000mtrs) in Tadjikistan
Crocus korolkowii from Talas Mountains (1200 mtrs) in Kyrgystan
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What a festive season,may be snow in June?
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Excellent forms, Kris! I have only striped and never saw with completely purple outside. How looks inside?
For all Croconuts : Just are published excellent article from Dorte Harpke and HKEP about morphology and development of Crocus plants. Nothing so complete was seen before!
And another one - with 6 more new species - still not studied the last but you can download both on
http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0027-0065.pdf (http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0027-0065.pdf)
http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0067-0080.pdf (http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0103_0067-0080.pdf)
That is very interesting Janis. Thank you for sharing these articles with us!
I wish you and all other croconuts a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Thanks to all for posting pics of your lovely Crocus. Next year, I will do my best to show you more from my garden.
Here is a golden jewel which flowered in my garden 17. July: Crocus scharojanii. The leaves in the background are C. pelistericus.
Poul
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MERRY CHRISTMAS AND ALL THE BEST IN COMING NEW YEAR!
Many nice and new crocuses in your collections!
P.S.
Snow in June? Once in my life I saw snow-flakes in air in night from 23rd to 24th of June, but in attached picture you can see me in horribly cold wind even not too high in Macedonian mountains just in June.
A pair of mine favourites from last season attached here too - seedlings from cross between C. concinnus and still unpublished species.
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Excellent forms, Kris! I have only striped and never saw with completely purple outside. How looks inside?
Thanks Janis , inside looks much the same as the other one I posted ...
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A pair of mine favourites from last season attached here too - seedlings from cross between C. concinnus and still unpublished species.
Janis that is a really lovely hybrid,thank you for showing it.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS AND ALL THE BEST IN COMING NEW YEAR!
A pair of mine favourites from last season attached here too - seedlings from cross between C. concinnus and still unpublished species.
Merry Christmas Janis , stunning cross !
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Another nice one ....flowering on christmas ....
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Another nice one ....flowering on christmas ....
A nice early Crocus michelsonii, Kris :)
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Crocus rujanensis, JJA 351.100, ex the type-locality. This crocus usually flowers in February here.
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a beautiful one.
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By a sunny morning some Crocus decided to hatch
Crocus sieberi 'Violet Queen'
Crocus atticus 'Stunner'
Crocus fleischeri sown in october 2011
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Crocus sieberi 'hubert edelstein'
Crocus korolkowii
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A nice early Crocus michelsonii, Kris :)
Thanks Tatsuo . Not easy to open the flowers this time of the year .
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Crocus sieberi 'hubert edelstein'
Crocus korolkowii
Really spring Yann !
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Crocus rujanensis, JJA 351.100, ex the type-locality. This crocus usually flowers in February here.
Very lovely Tatsuo !
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Yes, today 26°c inside the greenhouse, i'm currently taking a sun bath and drinking coffee while sowing. 8)
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Very nice Crocusses everyone! I like you're michelsonii Kris! Mine just showing noses
here 15 degrees outside, thanks god the forecast for next week is some colder (5 degrees in daytime) and 1 or 2 degrees frost in night. I hope it will slow down everything
Here some Crocusses of the garden today:
Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena (3x)
Crocus biflorus ssp. pulchricolor BM 8514 - from Ulu Dag in Turkey
Crocus fleischeri chios form
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Crocus crewei - from Denizli in Turkey (3x)
Crocus corsicus MM01
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Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus 'Stunner'
Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus 'Vardousia'
Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus 'Bowles White'
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Happy to see the seeds from the Crocus group (2015) are doing well ;D
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It is already February where you live Ruben .... ;D
But very nice ....
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It is already February where you live Ruben .... ;D
But very nice ....
And not just February - but also SUNNY February! 8) 8)
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So many fine bulbs making an early start - crocus, colchicum, muscari .... what will be left for spring?
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So many fine bulbs making an early start - crocus, colchicum, muscari .... what will be left for spring?
We Maggi ..... ;D
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We Maggi ..... ;D
Well, I hope so, Kris!! ;) ;D
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early spring, Crocus fibroannulatus from NE-Turkey
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early spring, Crocus fibroannulatus from NE-Turkey
Nice and delicate Dirk .
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Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi a belated Christmas gift to all my forum friends. The second flowering in 2015 for this plant ... crazy weather!
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Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi a belated Christmas gift to all my forum friends. The second flowering in 2015 for this plant ... crazy weather!
I never can wait for spring Tony and our bulbs are following this rule now ....
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From the biflorus group .....
I am happy with it ....
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Kris very nice,very early
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Kris very nice,very early
Thanks Tony ....yes to early but what can we do about it ... I suppose it is Crocus mawii but I am not a botanist ... ;)
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Smashing Crocus everyone ! Mouthwatering beauties !
I found Crocus hittiticus flowering for Christmas :D Too bad the flower is rather small, but still quite attractive !
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It really looks that in Europe started spring. What you will show when normal Crocus blooming time will come? Here I'm very nervous and happy that my crocuses still are not so advanced. Here in first weeks of January offered temperature dropping below minus 10 C and even down to near minus 20. Tomorrow will start preparing for covering, but today still enjoyed holidays and studied new species described by extremely active duet. This case a pair (with others still not worked) was not far difficult to identify and here I'm showing pictures maid by me in wild (2007) and in greenhouse last spring. This is crocus commemorating great Crocus lower E.A. Bowles - Crocus bowlesianus - really very beautiful. May be I sent it to someone under name C. atrospermus as it like this one has black (or almost black) seeds, too.
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And another one from "last" donation from HKEP - again pictures from last spring - Crocus akdagensis
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Again some rare beautys Janis !!!!!
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Very nice crocusses Janis! Thanks for shearing!
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Didn't expect to see my first crocus from seed in December! Crocus serotinus.
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Nice to see the autumn flowering ones Anthony :-d
Here some of the biflorus comples in flower
Crocus biflorus ssp. pseudonubigena KPPZ 108
Crocus biflorus ssp. pulchricolor BM 8514
Crocus biflorus ssp. pulchricolor - collection by Tony Willis (thanks) in Ulu dag Turkije
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Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus
Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus 'Bowles White'
Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus 'Hubert Edelsten'
Crocus fleischeri chios form
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I just love those crazy styles on the C. fleischeri!
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Here started frost. Now outside is minus 7 C and just after new year offered minus 20. All the day passed covering greenhouse plantings. Tomorrow will cover pots with crocuses. There is needed some freezing before covering - to keep low temperature when will start some warming after first frost wave.
But otherwise all free time goes on books, studies on collected material. Today with kindest help of Ibrahim was identified another my crocus gathering from 2007. It turned another species from just published new crocus of HKEP - Crocus salurdagensis. It is reported as plant from Salur Dag but internet shows only one Salur Dag in Antalya Province, close to Antalya, certainly not locality of my gathering. After Ibrahims mail to me I checked on more detailed map locality where I collected this one - and on this (rarely used by me map) I found another Salur Dag - side by side with homeland of my crocus. It was grown by me as "atrospermus affinitas" due its blackish brown seeds. Now I compared my notes and they perfectly match with new species. Here some pictures - I collected it at very start of blooming few days after late snowfall and found very few plants and even less were successfully pictured due extremely cold and strong wind. So here are attached habitat photo, two pictures from wild and my pot with it where you can see variability of Crocus salurdagensis.
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Spring has sprung....
Crocus chrysanthus 'Goldene Sonne'
Crocus fleischeri
Crocus hartmannianus (2 x)
and Crocus korolkowii 'Mountain Glory'
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Crocus michelsonii
and Crocus michelsonii LEE408
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Crocus michelsonii started to bloom here, too.
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It's great to see so many spring Crocus already giving a good display on the continent. Unlike the rest of the UK and Europe, my bulbs are behaving and some are actually later than usual. These photos build the anticipation for spring when it does arrive here...I can already notice the days lengthening!
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HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone forumist and many new and beautiful crocus flowers in coming spring and year! It will come and I hope that some of your early runners will alive coming frosts. Here this night was "only" minus 16 C. When on Tuesday I finished covering my pots in greenhouses, was around zero and I was afraid that I too hurried, but in following night temperature dropped to minus 11, and it is offered to even lower temperatures in coming days. I'm really happy that only very few spring crocuses started blooming (less than in previous two years). Hope that frost will loose power reaching W Europe.
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To these wishes I would like to join, for very flowery 2016.
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Agree with Dirk and Janis ....
With a lot of sunny spots .....
(flowering here today .....)
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