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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Yann on November 01, 2015, 03:22:28 PM
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26°c in the greenhouse, i was like a lizard 8)
Crocus biflorus ssp melantherus.
Here're the black anthers melantherus form and seedling from seeds exchange.
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Just came back from Western Liguria in Italy and thought I might share some photos with you.
Crocus ligusticus was flowering on top of every mountain :
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Some close-ups and a special one for which I was searching very hard - found only this single one (sorry, only a fuzzy photos in the dark corner where it grew):
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Chris searching for more whites:
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Some close-ups and a special one for which I was searching very hard - found only this single one (sorry, only a fuzzy photos in the dark corner where it grew):
Thomas, the white Crocus ligusticus is very special. :P
The much divided stigma makes this very appealing.
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A multi-petalled flower on Crocus nerimaniae
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A stunning crocus Cyril!
Perhaps our cool summer followed by the very mild autumn is encouraging these aberrant flowers as I have a C. melantherus with extra petals/sepals and an extra stamen:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5695/22670991462_5c0cae7d3f_o_d.jpg)
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Just came back from Western Liguria in Italy and thought I might share some photos with you.
Crocus ligusticus was flowering on top of every mountain :
Wonderful Thomas - thanks for sharing!
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A stunning crocus Cyril!
Perhaps our cool summer followed by the very mild autumn is encouraging these aberrant flowers as I have a C. melantherus with extra petals/sepals and an extra stamen:
Maybe so - certainly a higher incidence of such seasonal mutations here this year.
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Stunning pictures Thomas! And found the white grail! :o :o :o :o sooo nice!
It looks you have had some nice weather too. Thanks for sharing those nice pictures! Very instructive to see them in there natural habitat.
Very nice nerimaniae Cyril. One of my favorite autumn flowering Crocus.
Some of yesterday:
Crocus ligusticus 'Millessimo'
Crocuis ibrahimii
Crocus pallasii C440 - Karaman Turkey (Crocus group)
Crocus speciosus 901-6 from Eric Breed
Crocus hadriaticus white form
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A multi-petalled flower on Crocus nerimaniae
A real stunner, Cyril ! :o :o
Just came back from Western Liguria in Italy and thought I might share some photos with you.
Crocus ligusticus was flowering on top of every mountain :
Wonderful pictures, Thomas ! Thanks for sharing !
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Chris searching for more whites:
So, was it Chris who found the first white?
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;D No, but he was animated to find another one, after he saw how beautiful mine looked ....
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Just came back from Western Liguria in Italy and thought I might share some photos with you.
Crocus ligusticus was flowering on top of every mountain :
Phantastic pictures, Thomas. Thank you!
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A stunning crocus Cyril!
Perhaps our cool summer followed by the very mild autumn is encouraging these aberrant flowers as I have a C. melantherus with extra petals/sepals and an extra stamen:
very beautiful
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;D No, but he was animated to find another one, after he saw how beautiful mine looked ....
;D 8) 8)
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Crocus laevigatus from Crocus Group seed, sown September 2011
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Crocus kotschyanus var. leucopharynx, pale form
hadriaticus x sativus, F1 cross
'' F2 cross in two forms
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That's a most unusual reddish tone in the throat of the last one, Dirk.
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That's a most unusual reddish tone in the throat of the last one, Dirk.
Many thanks, Maggi
The F2 hybrid from free seeds are very variable, here two pictures from last years.
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Super variation. All attractive, for sure.
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Crocus gilanicus blooming today- tiny thing
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Just came back from Western Liguria in Italy and thought I might share some photos with you.
Crocus ligusticus was flowering on top of every mountain :
Wonderful pictures of wonderful crocus. Highly impressive. It is the most beautiful crocus ligusticus I've seen - nice bloom shape and elegant long divided stigma, which is very appealing. The white specimen, is indeed, a great find!!! Coldn't emagine there could be any whites. Conratulations, Thomas!!!
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Crocus kotschyanus var. leucopharynx, pale form
hadriaticus x sativus, F1 cross
'' F2 cross in two forms
Mine F-2 from your cross hadriaticus x cashmirianus looks exactly as yours. This autumn bloomed the first individual and I wrote in my notes - looks close to mathewii.
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After very cold weak again returned warmer weather but very dark and cloudy although still extremely dry. As our house are supplied with drinking water from dwell we introduced "saving regime". Garden is watered from pool, so there are not so great problems although water level felt for more than 1.5 meters, but there still are more than 1 m of water level. No new crocus flowers came yet, so it is time to work on pictures and botanical material collected during this season.
I'm always collecting corm tunics, too - I have quite large collection of envelopes with many tunics, seed pods, cataphylls and some seeds. And it is time to order pictures. Sometimes very great discoveries can be done even in this "silent" time when you are sitting at computer. One of such happened yesterday when I ordered pictures of one European representative of biflorus group (sorry, name still kept in secret). Having four samples - two different gatherings from one region and two different from another region (distant, but not very far), I suddenly found that regardless of almost identical flowers their corm tunics are absolutely different. I even supposed that may be I mislabeled pictures. Then went to my tunic envelopes and found, yes they are different, pictures are correctly labeled. If there would be only one sample from locality (no one is collected by myself) could remain possibility that there is some mix in collection of my source of this plant, but each gathering is made by different person and that confirms that there really are two species hidden under very common name. So new crocuses comes not only from Turkey, Iran, Greece - but they are even in Europe.
You could ask - why I didn't see this at harvesting? But when you are hard working, there are no time to think about such things. Repotting of crocuses takes for me more than one month of full daylight without weekends. So I'm only checking aren't some mix, ill corms in pot and taking samples + pictures of corms without great thinking and I can't more remember how must look rings of each species, especially when you don't suppose something new in "oldies"
I must inform all my correspondents that for the 4th day no e-mails are coming - great problem in my server, so not getting reply - it means that I didn't receive your mail. Hope today it will start working again
Seems that now started to work!
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Some newly opened crocusses:
Crocus hyemalis HVB 309-07 from Jordanië
Crocus asumaniae JP 8845
Crocus pumilus from Crete
2 forms of Crocus hadriaticus
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Crocus biflorus ssp. melantherus
Crocus thomasii
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Some newly opened crocusses:
Crocus pumilus from Crete
A neat little crocus.
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Perhaps our cool summer followed by the very mild autumn is encouraging these aberrant flowers as I have a C. melantherus with extra petals/sepals and an extra stamen:
Maybe so - certainly a higher incidence of such seasonal mutations here this year.
Here is another interesting mutation, a bicolored Crocus banaticus with 4 outer and inner petals. I have not noticed this aberration in C. banaticus before. Will almost certainly not be stable.
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A very steady performer. Going to get some saffron threads from this one.
Crocus cartwrightianus albus
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Lovely crocuses everyone. nothing exotic or exciting here.
I was pleased to find a couple of Crocus speciosus among all the pulchellus. I have been dumping old potting soil in the hope of getting other species to naturalise. The Crocus pulchellus are coming up all over the garden. I photographed the first flower on September 8th and they keep on coming. I think they are lovely at this time of year but the leaves can be a nuisance when they come up too thickly among other plants.
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus speciosus
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Some new this year from Pottertons
Crocus pulchellus albus
Crocus speciosus 'Albus'
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Albus'
Crocus goulimyi 'Mani White'
I do like white flowers but maybe I ordered too many? ;D
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Crocus cartwrightianus 'Albus'
Don't like flowers of cartwrightianus albus. Very suspicious to virus infection.
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Yes, Janis. I did wonder about that. Crocus 'Dream Dancer' from the same source didn't look too good either
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Crocus tournefortii and Crocus wattiorum today
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After several cloudy and wet (only fog, still no rain) days today again shined sun and so crocuses continued blooming.
The "Jewel of Day" was of course C. laevigatus form 'Gold". You must to trust me - no Photoshop applied. I was surprised by myself for intensity of colour. Never before so deep yellow tone was observed.
Another is laevigatus from Peloponnes, Greece - PELO-013
For long I was looking for pure white C. robertianus. Now I found it near Varnakovo Monastery in Greece. To compare with more traditional I put picture where both blue and white can be seen
Crocus nerimaniae is with last flowers, but C. wattiorum at its peak. Here the last.
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Crocus melantherus Gold is only pale shade of laevigatus Gold
C. nerimaniae is less uniform than wattiorum and there are striped individuals, too
Crocus hellenicus from Varnakovo belongs to my favourite speciosus
Crocus goulimyi AGIA SOPHIA is one of most unusual goulimyi
And as last today - striped form of C. boryi.
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So many beauties, Janis - C. laevigatus form 'Gold" is quite extraordinary - yes, a real jewel.
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Again that's a pleasure to see these beauties, Janis thanks for sharing.
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C. laevigatus form 'Gold".
:o :o :o I'd like to see the inside, please, Janis :P
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:o :o :o I'd like to see the inside, please, Janis :P
It was only first day when buds came out. Of course I will picture open flowers at first sunny day, but inside will be white. It is only flower segments outside colour. It is not the first year with me, but the first when outside colour is so intensive. I'm surprised by myself.
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Some more pictures from yesterday. In this entry Crocus melantherus
common view
Brian Mathew's form
and stippled form from my gatherings - PELO-028 #1
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Some more crocuses from Greece
Crocus cartwrightianus Anabelle - selection made by Antoine Hoog
Crocus laevigatus from Metochi - Archibalds collection
Typical Crocus mazziaricus from my gatherings
and as last Crocus pumilus from Crete
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Wonderful to see so many flowers, Janis.
Here is your C archibaldiorum in flower now.
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Crocus 'Purple Heart' and C mathewii are very similar - the branching of the style seems distinct, however.
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Lots of nice crocus here at present - not much sunshine though. Here are a couple of seed raised forms of Crocus laevigatus neither of which is much like it's parent!
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It would appear that there are two plants going around under the name Crocus hadriaticus 'Purple Heart'?
Here are a couple of quick shots of my two today.
Type 1
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Type 2
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And a better photo of my Type 1 taken a while ago:http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13626.msg343838#msg343838 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13626.msg343838#msg343838)
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I think the Type 1 (from Janis & Liga) is the correct plant, with the Type 2 (from a well-known purveyor of rare plants) an imposter, probably a selection of C. cartwrightianus but not its own selection also named 'Purple Heart'?
Assuming that Anne's plant below is the C. hadriaticus 'Purple Heart' and not the cultivar of C. cartwrightianus by the same name - this fits with my Type 1: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13710.msg344402#msg344402 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13710.msg344402#msg344402)
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Ruben has shown a plant that fits with my Type 2: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13626.msg343663#msg343663 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13626.msg343663#msg343663)
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It would appear that there are two plants going around under the name Crocus hadriaticus 'Purple Heart'?
Yes, there are two types in original stock coming from its riser from very start as mixed together. It took long time for us to sort them out and we still are not certain that occasional paler will not be between those which we suppose to be correct clone. Some season both looks very close. I think it happened at first selection of seedling to be named. Such things can happen because seedlings sometimes can start to split before the first blooming and then you took out 2-3 very similarly looking plants supposing them as clone. Especially I noted this in breeding of Tulipa, but I think this is the case with hadriaticus Purple Heart, too. AH simply didn't note the difference between them at very start and so in increasing went two clones mixed together.
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nice Sunday weather, some more flowers:
Crocus clusii 'Poseidon'
'' longiflorus from Nebrodi Range, Sicily
'' kotschyanus, a late and smaller form with good contrast
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'' kotschyanus, a late and smaller form with good contrast
That's a really beautiful form, Dirk!
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Crocus lycius, devasted by rain, had to bring some pots in the greenhouse
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Ooof! We have heavy rain too - horrible.
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My 'Purple Heart' can from Janis also.
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Some impressions from Germany:
Crocus speciosus Artabir + Albus and C. ligusticus growing well here
Crocus cambessedesii in my coldframe
mixed planting with melantherus, hadriaticus + mazziaricus
C. laevigatus with 11 petals
my crocuslawn
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A new discovery from the Athens area: the most western location of Crocus pallasii
mixed planting with C. robertianus, ligusticus, tournefortii + goulimyi bicolored form
autumn in Neustadt
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Very nice striped kotschyanus Dirk! Really love it!
Great show Thomas :o :o :o! That pallasii from Athens region is special and very nice!
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Nice to see your crocuses Thomas. :)
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Crocus cartwrightianus, JJA 342.810
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Crocus wattiorum is certainly one of my top 5 favorites
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The collection of autumn crocuses in Istanbul University botanic garden. For understandable reasons it was impossible to get closer to them. There is a big collection of flowering bulbs (also raised beds like these but wooden) in the second botanic garden of Istanbul, а much bigger one. Both gardens there are not that easy to find.
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They do keep everything very neat!
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Crocus cartwrightianus, JJA 342.810
Lovely plants Tatsuo!
Forgive me for asking but what compost mix do you use? Is it pure pumice?
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Hi Steve. I usually use pre-mixed soil. There are several kind of pumice and loam in it.
No organic matter for preventing root/bulb rot during relatively hot temperature season - summer and early to mid autumn.
The largest grains for bottom (or top, sometimes) of the pot, middle ones for top dressing and the finest ones for growing medium with some perlite, charcoal chips and montmorillonite grains.
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Crocus laevigatus, JJA 347.421. "Greece, Crete, Mt. Vouvala. Ex an A. Edwards coll."
Is this Crocus pumilus now?
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Crocus laevigatus, JJA 347.421. "Greece, Crete, Mt. Vouvala. Ex an A. Edwards coll."
Is this Crocus pumilus now?
Yes YT, they are C. pumilus now!
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Thanks for your quick answer, Wim :)
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The collection of autumn crocuses in Istanbul University botanic garden. For understandable reasons it was impossible to get closer to them. There is a big collection of flowering bulbs (also raised beds like these but wooden) in the second botanic garden of Istanbul, а much bigger one. Both gardens there are not that easy to find.
I think those are raised beds of Osman Erol (looks just as his).
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Crocus laevigatus, JJA 347.421. "Greece, Crete, Mt. Vouvala. Ex an A. Edwards coll."
Is this Crocus pumilus now?
Yes
edit by maggi to add this information :
Crocus pumilus (Rukšāns) Rukšāns status nova. Syn. Crocus laevigatus subsp. pumilus Rukšāns. The Alpine Gardener; 81: 193 (2013).
The Alpine Gardener**: The taxa (other than C. macedonicus C. vaclavii) named in this paper have since been raised to species status by J. R. The IRG issue #52 of April 2014 has Jānis' reiteration of his decision to re-classify some of his earlier naming, as published in The Alpine Gardener; 80(2012) and 81(2013) from subspecies to species status.
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Many thanks Tatsuo!
This is very helpful guidance for a man who gardens in perpetual rain. ;)
How often do you fertilise and do you use a similar mix for summer-growing bulbs?
(No more questions after these! :) )
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Wonderful tassels of stigmas in the Crocus pumilus, Tatsuo.
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Tatsuo, I have a question too if I may. Do you repot every year ,since you use inorganic soil which does not decompose and therefore may not need to? Also, do you grow moisture-loving species like pelistericus or vallicola in this soil?
Thanks very much,
Alex
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Thanks, Janis and Anne :)
How often do you fertilise and do you use a similar mix for summer-growing bulbs?
I feed slow release fertiliser (NPK:5-10-15, 5mm pellet), 6 pellets for 15cm pot twice, at November and March with organic liquid (3-3-2, diluted in 1000 times) roughly every 10 days.
Yes, I use the same mix for temperate and alpine plants. Normal rich soil for sub-tropicals and larger hybrid daffs.
Do you repot every year ,since you use inorganic soil which does not decompose and therefore may not need to? Also, do you grow moisture-loving species like pelistericus or vallicola in this soil?
Hi, Alex. I usually repot them every 2 or 3 years. So I use organic liquid fertiliser to feed them decomposed substances rather than nutrients.
Unfortunately, it seems impossible to grow such cool and moisture loving crocuses at my place.
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Very many thanks Tatsuo.
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Thank you very much, Tatsuo.
Alex
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Crocus laevigatus, JJA 347.402.
Interesting for me that their pistils are vary in form.
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Crocus laevigatus, JJA 347.402.
Interesting for me that their pistils are vary in form.
I have just been looking at them in the wild and every one is slightly different so no surprising your variation.
Very lovely photographs.
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Thanks, Tony.
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Tatsuo that's marvelous.
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Quote from: YT on Today at 09:19:43 AM
Crocus laevigatus, JJA 347.402.
Interesting for me that their pistils are vary in form.
Are these also now thought to be C. pumilus?
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Thanks, Yann.
Are these also now thought to be C. pumilus?
I don't think so, Maggi. JJA 347.402 is not small to say as 'pumilus'.
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Thanks, Yann.
I don't think so, Maggi. JJA 347.402 is not small to say as 'pumilus'.
Thanks, Tatsuo, I thought that was the case- but better to ask you!
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A few hours ago I returned from a nearby mountain. I am excited because I found Crocus macedonicus. However, unlike last year when I reported having found it in a new area, growing abudantly in the Western foothills of Mount Olympus, today I also found it in the same general area but at a much higher altitude. It was growing again in turf but at 1250 m. Last year I found it in several locations but always between 400-600 m, never higher than that.
I can now pronounce Crocus macedonicus as both a species occuring in low altitudes up to the subalpine area.
I hope you enjoy the pictures (also showing the corm with tunics and some tunics removed).
George Papapolymerou
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Some more pictures. Last picture is typical habitat at 1200-1250 m. Also Crocus chrysanthus and Crocus veluchensis flower in early spring while, at low altitudes (300-700 m) some 15 km away, but in a different habitat (very rocky) Crocus mazziaricus flowers.
pic 121 showing a corm with four flowers and one that has withered.
George Papapolymerou
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Thank you for this, George - most interesting.
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beautiful photos, here one from seed I find in my garden,
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A very fine seedling Chris. 8)
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outside snow and sun, inside some new flowers:
seedling from Crocus oreocreticus ( Crocus Group ), possibly a cross with cartwrightianus
Crocus pumilus from southern Crete, near the coast
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Crocus vitellinus, from JJA 354.706 : Lebanon, M'tein. 875m. Ex. R. & R. Wallis 99-26.
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Lovely colour, YT.
Last Crocus pulchellus for this year. The first was in flower before the end of September.
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Lovely colour, YT.
Last Crocus pulchellus for this year. The first was in flower before the end of September.
That's a pretty good flowering period for just one species, isn't it? 8) 8)
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They have all spread from a few small corms or seeds in used potting compost spread in the garden. Lovely when in flower but the leaves are a nuisance in places where I would like a bit of colour in the summer.
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Crocus vitellinus, from JJA 354.706 : Lebanon, M'tein. 875m. Ex. R. & R. Wallis 99-26.
It is great to see this rare autumn flowering form of vitellinus. Thank you for showing us!
Poul
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It is great to see this rare autumn flowering form of vitellinus. Thank you for showing us!
Poul
Thanks Poul. Strangely, the seedlings have put white flowers from 2012. A ‘true’ orange flower that matches the description on JJA seed list for the first time this year. Probably the seeds were mixed with some autumn white crocuses.
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Crocus vitellinus, from JJA 354.706 : Lebanon, M'tein. 875m. Ex. R. & R. Wallis 99-26.
Thanks Poul. Strangely, the seedlings have put white flowers from 2012. A ‘true’ orange flower that matches the description on JJA seed list for the first time this year. Probably the seeds were mixed with some autumn white crocuses.
A truly yellow autumn flowering (just) crocus, Tatsuo. Remarkable and beautiful.
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A truly yellow autumn flowering (just) crocus, Tatsuo. Remarkable and beautiful.
Thanks Cyril. I'm going to propagate this plant ;)
By the way, where have regular formists gone ??? They suddenly disappeared from crocus topic.
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Dec 02
There are quite a few regulars forumists posting in the private world of Facebook, Tatsuo.
I think it a shame that they are not sharing their photos and experiences with a wider public, especially when so much has been made available to them here.
There is a December 2015 Crocus thread!