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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on November 01, 2015, 08:15:56 AM
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this and that
TRAUMTÄNZER
WEISSE ADVENTSPERLEN
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but who is who?
G peshmenii
G elwesii monostictus
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what's that? Not the typical size...
Mostly without any marks. So it is called MAKELLOS....hm - this year I can see ghost marks
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Are these G. reginae-olgae, Hagen?
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A nose at last! G. peshmenii just appearing through the invasive Oxalis.
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but who is who?
G peshmenii
G elwesii monostictus
Top picture looks like elwesii and bottom G.peshmenii.
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what's that? Not the typical size...
Mostly without any marks. So it is called MAKELLOS....hm - this year I can see ghost marks
Hagen ,These look like G.peshmenii ,are they ?
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Not in a greenhouse, but in the Berlin garden today :D my G. reginae olgae, planted last year.
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Even better that you have some sun to enjoy them, Irm!
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Even better that you have some sun to enjoy them, Irm!
Berlin is very lucky, sun nearly every day an no fog :D
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A few snowdrops that are flowering for me the last weeks. The Peshmenii should have green tips, as I got it with a written label that said green tipped Peshmenii.......but it is flowering for the second year with me without any green tips....
First two are gifts from a very friendly member of our forum, it is great to grow those lovely early flowering snowdrops.
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How pretty Galanthus 'Autumn Snow is - real Autumn snow would not be so good!
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Those are all wonderful Hagen . We are hoping to get more autumn flowerers for work :)
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Richard (snowdropcollector), I'm surprised that you have Naomi Slade still in flower; mine went over a few weeks ago.
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Irm, how nice your snodrop looks in the sun. :)
Over here the nameless G.reginae-olgae is now in flower :), but 'Tilebarn Jamie' and 'Cambridge' are still just peaking in the ground. It has been warmer than usually this time of year (between 5-10°C, yesterday 12°C) and some frosty nights once in a while. I wonder if it is the cool temperature or the lack of sun which slows the development of my autumn flowering snowdrops??
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Richard (snowdropcollector), I'm surprised that you have Naomi Slade still in flower; mine went over a few weeks ago.
My first flower has gone over but a new one has replaced it, a good repeat flowerer!
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Santa Claus has arrived a tad early!
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... a good repeat flowerer!
A snowdrop (or any other cultivar for that matter) that manages to repeat flower when most of its fellows don't is particularly good value. I can count several more leaves than a single bulb should have produced on my 'Naomii Slade' but I only got the one flower this year. We need to track down a survivor of the mythical Galanthus "Rachelae" of which E.A. Bowles wrote:
When robust it sends up two or three blossoms from a strong bulb, and they are larger than those of any other early autumnal form, but for all that leafless
Quote courtesy of Paddy Tobin.
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Santa Claus has arrived a tad early!
That is early - it'll cost a fortune to feed the reindeer till Christmas......
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That is early - it'll cost a fortune to feed the reindeer till Christmas......
You could always kill one a week, put Santa to the same fate and follow him up with all the retailers who think that the World does really want Christmas trees, Carols and twinkly lights in the first week in November.
Yours,
Scrooge in Devon.
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A lovely present arrived in the post today along with a birthday card.
Two reginae-olgae that will stand out in my collection. One is finished but the other is all green. It's not dark green as in Green Mile but apple green with no white. I'll get it the rhs colour chart tomorrow to get an accurate colour.
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Who sells 'Autumn Snow'? Which is better 'Autumn Snow' or 'Foursome'
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Who sells 'Autumn Snow'? Which is better 'Autumn Snow' or 'Foursome'
Without a doubt 'Autumn Snow' is a much better flower, 'Foursome' is the equivalent of Melvyn's 'Tessera'.
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OK. Now to find 'Autumn Snow'
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An unexpected birthday present arrived in the post yesterday with a selection of Galanthus reginae-olgae inside. I've been doing some moaning about not being able to see the difference in most of the new reginae-olgaes. Most are over or badly damaged in the post. One is an unnamed all green one which the eye can see but the camera cant see. Its apple white.
Here are a couple of photos to try and show off the green. I'll try and get better photos when the fog goes
and a green tipped peshmenii from the Mid Anglia bulb sale
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That peshmenii is delicious!
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Galanthus reginae-olgae Tessera is a big disappointment with no flowers showing 4 petals. G r-o Sylvie, on the other hand, is quite willing to oblige!
I just noticed that all the Tessera flowers have different (or no) markings.
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More G. reginae-olgaes: (note - Anmarie Kee should have green tips, I think chipping it disposed of these) Anyone know why Alexandra was named?
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I was asking on the facebook snowdrop page what makes one named reginae-olgae stand out from another. Flowering time in one garden may be different in another. I now have a wee collection so might be able to comment on size and flowering times next year.
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I had not concentrated on G. r-o previously until Brian Ellis advised me to get 'Autumn Snow'. I contacted Melvyn Jope and arranged to pick one up from the Cyclamen Show at Wisley.
Autumn Snow certainly lives up to its billing - it is stunning. Melvyn kindly brought along 'Eleni' and 'Lefki' and suggested I might also like these varieties. i was happy to relieve him of both!
The perfume was incredible, even my acquisition team remarked on it.
To my further delight, once the leaves emerged it was clear that the pots contained a number of offsets and possibly additional bulbs!
I will certainly be adding to my collection at the earliest! Thanks Melvyn!
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'Remember Remember' pretty much on schedule. I was warned before I bought it that it has a tendency to flop. On the plus side, I bought a single pot from Wol and Sue Staines in February 2014 and already I have five flowers.
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Galanthus Gracilis which usually flowers in January with me is already showing above the soil in this pot.
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It has been exciting to see the first drops push through for so many of you over the last several weeks, and the excitement builds again with the first bloom in one's own garden. My first bloom was in last week of October on an un-named G.r.o. that had a misshapen outer, so not too photogenic. And yesterday, November 5, 2015 this G. elwesii monostictus Hiemalis Group opened up. This a selected, but un-named cultivar by Nancy Goodwin of Montrose Gardens, North Carolina, U.S. Thrilled to have it blooming in early November.
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Galanthus peshmenii ex greece in open frame, the ex Turkey form bloomed already,
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Forum members may be interested to see this website http://www.revolution-snowdrops.co.uk/ (http://www.revolution-snowdrops.co.uk/)
Olive
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This Galanthus peshmenii from Kurt Vickery may be a dwarf form, flowering at 11cm high. Last year if flowered at a similar height - or is this normal for G. peshmenii?
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This Galanthus peshmenii from Kurt Vickery may be a dwarf form, flowering at 11cm high. Last year if flowered at a similar height - or is this normal for G. peshmenii?
Just went an measured mine which are from various sources - 9, 7 and 6cm
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until 30cm no problem, Mark......... :)
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I would consider 10cm to be a 'giant'. All my peshmenii are below this with most being 7cm.
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In my meadow, I discovered two self seedlings of Galanthus reginae-olgae
Galanthus reginae-olgae in weadow
Galanthus reginae-olgae self-seedling
Galanthus regiane-olgae self-seedling
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Very nice
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Beautiful seedlings, Franz.
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Note from Matt Bishop about the next version of the Galanthus book - " We're splitting it over two volumes now. The first G. nivalis and cultivars of other, mainly applanate species. Vol. 2 will be come out later and will concentrate on G. elwesii and other cultivars of supervolute species. The idea of splitting it is give me more time to complete both halves as they require. SO PLEASE keep responding to my requests for information. I can only include cultiivars/selections that I know about."
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Sounds expensive.. ::)
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Very likely, Anne!
I'm still trying to find out where the supposed "remaining " copies of the first book might be sourced ( outside Amazon/Ebay. ) Bishop and Grimshaw seem determined to be inscrutable on the subject. #Tsk#
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Expensive, but sensible...and how many of us would spend the likely cost on one bulb anyway?
I always think that Matt should also do yearly updates to keep everyone up to speed.
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Matt should publish what he has now !
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Matt should publish what he has now !
The new reginae-olgaes posted ::)on this site over the past month have likely put the kibosh on that. Good there will be two volumes as now they'll likely fit in the mailbox. Or maybe not........
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Trouble is there will always be new ones to add to the books , so when do you decide to stop ?
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Stop when you drop ;)
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Might have been wiser to publish initially online - where updates are possible to add or subtract, as necessary.
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Very likely, Anne!
I'm still trying to find out where the supposed "remaining " copies of the first book might be sourced ( outside Amazon/Ebay. ) Bishop and Grimshaw seem determined to be inscrutable on the subject. #Tsk#
I've seen it on Keith's Plant Books site at £50.
If the new one(s) are (is) being commercially published bear in mind that the idea is that the publisher makes a profit!
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There are lots of clever schemes the publishers could use if they were a bit more inventive. For example, they could sell the book to pre-order but with online access to proof copies so you could see the work that has been completed (and suggest corrections if appropriate).
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I am now given to understand that the RHS DOES still have copies - but that one must ask them for it (- it is not available on the RHS website - daft or what?) Yes, David, it would be better for our dosh to go to the authors/printer than some fourth or fifth party - but it's been damned hard to find that route!
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Photos from Matt Bishop's facebook posts of a green-tipped Galanthus peshmenii from Jörg Lebsa
Matt wrote on 1st November :
" ... these are images taken yesterday of a delightful GT G. peshmenii from Joerg Lebsa and the outer segment markings are remarkably stable. One or two of you might have had this clone from me at Myddleton this year. It's vigorous and grows outside perfectly well in wet old Devon with the usual caveat of prevention of cruelty to snowdrops from molluscs! Cultivar name to be confirmed ........"
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A very normal Galanthus reginae-olgae ;D This is the earliest snowdrop here in this season.
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G. Peshmenii growing outside in my front garden, this is its second year now and it's doing well.
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I was rather startled to find 'Barnes' in full flower in my front garden this morning. I don't remember it being quite this early before.
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Mine are up and looking great
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... I don't remember it being quite this early before.
I bought early elwesii 'Peter Gatehouse' enough years ago that I have been able to try it in various spots around my garden. The flowering times in different locales can be weeks apart, even some that are not very far away from each other. I expect the same thing applies to other early elwesiis like 'Barnes'. That said, it's an early year but no more so than last year in my garden. Also bulbs that are unsettled can flower unusually early or late.
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The same thing happens to me when I am unsettled. ;D It's awfully hard to get up in the morning, or else I'm awake at dawn....
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elwesii 'Barnes'
green tipped peshmenii, not named, from Glenchantry
Joe's green flushed reginae-olgae 'Green****'. Named but I cant read his writing
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FOTINI found its first friend.....a green tipped Gem (not SMARAGDSPLITTER)
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Two out in the garden at the moment.
1 & 2. Galanthus 'Advent'
3. Galanthus reginae olgae 'Naomi Slade' The second flower so it has now been in flower for over a month.
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Two out in the garden at the moment.
1 & 2. Galanthus 'Advent'
3. Galanthus reginae olgae 'Naomi Slade' The second flower so it has now been in flower for over a month.
Lovely...cracking photos David ;D
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is 'Advent' normally this early, David? I had assumed form the name that it was typically December-flowering.
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That said, it's an early year but no more so than last year in my garden. Also bulbs that are unsettled can flower unusually early or late.
I refer you to your earlier answer.
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Actually, David, I wandered down the garden and found that my 'Advent', which I only got in February, was showing with a tiny bud although still a week or two away from flowering.
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I wandered down the garden and found that my 'Advent' was showing with a tiny bud although still a week or two away from flowering.
Bears out what you said before.
The flowering times in different locales can be weeks apart.
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An unusal reginae - olgae, discovered northeast of Tripoli
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Herbert,
keine Ahnung, dass da auch Schneeglöckchen wachsen.
Sagen uns die Botaniker zwingend dass das Gr-o sind?
Thanks for sharing tese pics!!!
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In what way is it unusual Pauli?
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Have you seen reginae-olgae 'Pink Panther?
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look to the inners Mark, very very wide open. Remember to G peshmenii.
Green leaves?
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Hagen,
Tripoli on Peloponnes, Greece!
Has a normal white center in the leaves.
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Over here the unnamed G.reginae-olgae is flowering but the days are so cloudy so it doesn't open the flowers wide, but I'm very happy that is has flowered so early now. 'Tilebarn Jamie' and 'Cambridge' are still only coming up, very little progress in the last two weeks, and there is still no sign of 'Barnes' yet. It seems that cultivars which flower well in Europe now are much later here.. :(
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elwesii 'Barnes'
green tipped peshmenii, not named, from Glenchantry
Those green tips can vary from year to year and most of the time disappear so why would you name it.
A good idea though to sell it whilst they are showing
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Galanthus reginae-olgae in the wild ten days ago
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A simple Galanthus reginae-olgae looking pretty among the Cyclamen this afternoon in the garden.
The Snowdrop season is underway.
Cheers!
Rick
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'Santa Claus' is making an early appearance as well - it's in flower in the frame, along with Faringdon Double and Colossus both coming up strongly. Seems to be an early season all round.
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G. Smaragdsplitter is progressing well and is now showing the distinctive flared outer petals which resemble a tricorne hat.
It is described as being highly variable, evidenced by one of these having very strong green parallel lines on the inside of the outers with the other having hardly any mark at all.
Interestingly, when it was first offered I was not particularly enthused. Photos, including mine, don't do this variety justice. However, it is a very pretty drop and makes a lovely contribution to the early period. ;D
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I got G. Smaragdsplitter in a trade earlier this year. I went to look at the pot and I can see a nose about 1mm out of the soil. It's very frustrating to see these lovely pictures of this snowdrop in full flower. However I do at least have something on it way - which is a lot better than nothing at all.
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G. Smaragdsplitter is progressing well and is now showing the distinctive flared outer petals which resemble a tricorne hat.
It is described as being highly variable, evidenced by one of these having very strong green parallel lines on the inside of the outers with the other having hardly any mark at all.
Interestingly, when it was first offered I was not particularly enthused. Photos, including mine, don't do this variety justice. However, it is a very pretty drop and makes a lovely contribution to the early period. ;D
Lovely inner marks on that one Ingrid, Jorg says it is very variable year on year.
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What a nice variation to have at this time of the year.
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Can Spring really be that far off? My G. nivalis 'Viridapice' in Halifax this morning.
johnw
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They do not know a clock or a weather report, John....
here is BUDENZAUBER, an early Gem with good green tips
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different kinds of green at different places
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You really do have an impressive selection of snowdrops Hagen, especially the greens, thanks for showing us.
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Can Spring really be that far off? My G. nivalis 'Viridapice' in Halifax this morning.
My 'Viridapice' is at the same stage. :) It is always early to show its nose, but it waits then until the real spring comes in March here.
It helps me wait until the spring to see the noses already. :)
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Well a clump of Colossus is showing white here, and we had snow overnight so that should keep things at bay for a while!
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Something exciting if it continues to flower at this time of year
Galanthus elwesii 'Ice Bear'
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Galanthus snogerupii early flowering form originally distributed by Kath Dryden.
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Something exciting if it continues to flower at this time of year
Galanthus elwesii 'Ice Bear'
Is this a Canadian 'drop, Mark?
What is the difference between this and, say, 'Don Armstrong' ? ( Pocs rather hard to tell apart, eh? )
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..................................( Pocs rather hard to tell apart, eh? )
Aren't most of 'em anyway ;D
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Galanthus Cilicicus OS in flower with me and looking great.
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A friend of mine gave me 2 different snowdrops last summer and one of them is blooming. I thought it was G. regiae-olgae as I posted here on 12th Nov.
A very normal Galanthus reginae-olgae ;D This is the earliest snowdrop here in this season.
Then leaves are now appearing and I think it’s G. elwesii var. monostictus. Am I right?
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Hi Tatsuo,
Those leaves are definitely not G. reginae olgae. Your ID is correct.
It's a strange season here - I have some G.r-o not yet showing whilst some spring cultivars ('Atkinsii' and 'Lapwing') are already pushing up noses.
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Thank you, Matt :) A strange season here too. Many bulbs grow much earlier than usual.
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Something exciting if it continues to flower at this time of year
Galanthus elwesii 'Ice Bear'
WOW :D VERY nice ;)
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Lovely drifts of Hiemalis at Montrose on Panyoti FB page today.
https://www.facebook.com/panayoti.kelaidis?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/panayoti.kelaidis?fref=ts)
john - +15c and tallying 4" of rain by the end of this tropical blow, I'm afraid it's likely headed your way.
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Galanthus Cilicicus OS in flower with me and looking great.
Inside to photograph it or always inside? Mine are in the greenhouse and in a pot outside
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Lovely drifts of Hiemalis at Montrose on Panyoti FB page today.
https://www.facebook.com/panayoti.kelaidis?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/panayoti.kelaidis?fref=ts)
john - +15c and tallying 4" of rain by the end of this tropical blow, I'm afraid it's likely headed your way.
This is the photo
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207325431525274&set=a.2696980234957.2130834.1570140429&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207325431525274&set=a.2696980234957.2130834.1570140429&type=3&theater)
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Lovely drifts of Hiemalis at Montrose on Panyoti FB page today.
https://www.facebook.com/panayoti.kelaidis?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/panayoti.kelaidis?fref=ts)
john - +15c and tallying 4" of rain by the end of this tropical blow, I'm afraid it's likely headed your way.
That's Montrose near Hillsborough in the US of A, not Montrose, Angus, Scotland, folks! Lovely garden with a river of 'drops..... right now!
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"River of Galanthus elwesii v. monostictus--one of many plantings of this choice snowdrop at the loveliest of American gardens I was privileged to visit today" Panayoti
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This is the photo
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207325431525274&set=a.2696980234957.2130834.1570140429&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207325431525274&set=a.2696980234957.2130834.1570140429&type=3&theater)
Sadly only viewable by logged in facebook members - I'll ask PK and/or Bobby Ward if they mind us posting some pix here.
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Kindly shared with us from Bobby J. Ward, Raleigh, NC, United States :
"And thus the snowdrop, like the bow
That spans the cloudy sky,
Became a symbol, whence, we know
That brighter days are nigh."
Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus at Montrose, Hillsborough, North Carolina, Nov. 22, 2015, with Panayoti Kelaidis, Jan Fahs and Roy C. Dicks.
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Photos from 22nd November 2015
This garden is famous and very well-regarded. Panayoti has said :
Nancy Goodwin ( is the ) creator of Montrose--America's gem of a garden. I looked forward to her catalogue for so many years (it was the go-to nursery when I began my career in horticulture), and have visited far too infrequently. Nancy and her husband Craufurd, have created the most amazing collection of art and the most beautiful garden imaginable.
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Hi mark I grow this galanthus inside, I bought it off Kirsten and Lars over in Denmark and they told me that they can only grow it inside. I just assumed that it was the same here, how does your plant do outside?
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Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus at Montrose, Hillsborough, North Carolina, Nov. 22, 2015,
I presume this is a mass planting of an autumn-flowering form of galanthus elwesii. If so, I don't know of anything comparable (at this time of year) anywhere else in the world. Even in the wild I have never heard tell of a mass of autumn-flowering elwesii.
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It's a beautiful site to behold Maggi, thanks for sharing.
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Hi mark I grow this galanthus inside, I bought it off Kirsten and Lars over in Denmark and they told me that they can only grow it inside. I just assumed that it was the same here, how does your plant do outside?
Both are flowering now. They survived the freeze in 2010
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It's a beautiful site to behold Maggi, thanks for sharing.
I've thanked Bobby for his permission to share - it's a quite remarkable thing to see, I agreem John. I never thought to see such a thing, even in a photo.
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Doesn't Ireland have a milder climate than here in England Mark? Might explain why Cilicicus survives with you in Antrim? If it was mass planting Maggi as Alan says there must of been some aching backs ;D
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Ken & I went to Montrose in January with Bobby and John Grimshaw back in the 1990's. An amazing garden with exquisite colour combinations throughout. Fond memories.
johnw - an extraordinary amount of rain today...........
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I'm still marvelling at how anyone could manage to achieve such a large display of what is far from a common snowdrop. You simply cannot purchase elwesii hiemalis group in large numbers yet starting with just a few it must surely have taken decades of successful propagation to build-up such a large quantity.
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AlanB : Montrose gardens were first begun in the 19th Century, when owned by a Governor of the State - Mr and Mrs Goodwin bought the property in 1977 and ran a nursery there from 1984 to 1993. It is Mrs Nancy Goodwin who is credited with creating the substantial and beautiful plantings in the garden today.
My guess is that the snowdrops arrived there a very long time ago and Mrs Goodwin has built very successfully upon that.
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My first named snowdrop purchase was the autumn-flowering Galanthus elwesii 'Peter Gatehouse' which I bought in February 2001. Fifteen years later, having lost some and given some away but generally been successful, I have about 50 flowers on that snowdrop. So given the same rate of increase (and more garden than I actually possess) I could aspire to 2,500 by 2031. But there must be many thousands of snowdrops in the picture so "built very successfully" is almost an understatement.
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very late in November ...
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Thats a very handsome snowdrop, Hagen, and a very good photograph of it. I take it that it's one of the many as yet in your sole possession whilst you bulk them up.
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Marvellous Hagen, I like the indentation up the middle of the outer tepal - as the green constricts the tissue? A most attractive feature ;D
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Alan, Brian,
it is in the pipeline already and will go to the next garden this season.
It has very dark green (not blueish green) tips and I would like to see the indentation every year ;)
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Alan, Brian,
it is in the pipeline already and will go to the next garden this season.
It has very dark green (not blueish green) tips and I would like to see the indentation every year ;)
Excellent news, I hope it is not too long before it is available, have you named it yet Hagen?
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no Brian, the Bishop should give his blessing/boon ;) :D
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full crazy
1. Advent here and the first flower of SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT also
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Wow :o :o :o
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I am now given to understand that the RHS DOES still have copies - but that one must ask them for it (- it is not available on the RHS website - daft or what?) Yes, David, it would be better for our dosh to go to the authors/printer than some fourth or fifth party - but it's been damned hard to find that route!
I contacted the RHS mail order folk today but they have responded:
Thank you for your email
The book you are enquiring about has now been discontinued and are unable to supply.
I am sorry we were unable to help you in this occasion
Kind regards
Carmen
Mail order department
Maybe I'm being over-analytical, but "unable to supply" is an interesting choice of words rather than stating that they don't hold any copies...
UPDATE: I'm told the last two copies were sold this morning. No, I was not one of the lucky two.