Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: David Nicholson on February 14, 2008, 08:32:37 PM
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I have just obtained a copy of 'Dwarf Bulbs' by Brian Mathew, it was originally published by Batsford in 1973 but I have the Garden Book Club edition published in 1974 (Garden Book Club Editions are always cheaper to buy-mine cost me £1!)
Obviously time has moved on since the book was written and a fair amount of 'lumping and splitting' has taken place, some of which was probably done by Brian himself. There are a number of species described in the book that are not listed on Tony G's Crocus Pages and I can only assume that they have been moved into other species. I would like, for my own study, to add some notes to the book as to where these species are currently lodged. Can anyone help please-I have not included the written descriptions but could do if needed.
Crocus-
albiflorus
asturicus
balansae
biliottii
clusii
guillardotii (syn. aleppicus)
lazicus
napolitanus
stellaris
suwarowianus
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Search for crocus on this site
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=81EABBAD930DA49F2A9ABCD94C63507A?checklist=monocots%40%40355211220071306848
And you will know what happened.
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Search for crocus on this site
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=81EABBAD930DA49F2A9ABCD94C63507A?checklist=monocots%40%40355211220071306848
And you will know what happened.
Thanks indeed for that. I have been able to sort them all out apart from C. napolitanus
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I started typing this an hour ago and got interrupted - how many did I get wrong ;)
By 1980 Brian Mathew had reached some new conclusions in his book The Crocus. Most, if not all, have so far stood the test of time!
albiflorus = vernus ssp albiflorus
asturicus = serotinus ssp ? I cannot recall which and I am not at home now!
balansae = olivieri ssp balansae
biliottii = ?aerius - see above
clusii
guillardotii (syn. aleppicus) = aleppicus
lazicus = scharojanii
napolitanus = vernus ssp vernus
stellaris = x stellaris (hybrid)
suwarowianus = kotschyanus ssp suworowianus
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Just a few additions to Tony's comments:
asturicus = now enclosed in the serotinus ssp salzmanii group, which is widespread in Spain.
lazicus = exactly scharojanii ssp lazicus - the yellow late-summer flowers from Turkey
while the Caucasus plants are scharojanii ssp scharojanii.
clusii = C. serotinus ssp clusii
stellaris = an old clone, a cross between Crocus flavus and angustifolius.
biliottii = named by George Maw 1881 by mistake, thinking it was a new species, later it turned
out, that it was the same plant that has been described as C. aerius in 1847 by Herbert.
napolitanus = the Italian form of C. vernus ssp vernus
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Tony, between you and Thomas 100%, thanks to both of you. One day I may find a reasonably priced copy of 'The Crocus' ::)
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David stop dreaming and better forget it! :'(
But if you wait 3 or 4 years more you can buy the
new monograph by Kerndorff and Pasche!
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How did I miss out clusii :-[
Glad to hear there is a new monograph in the pipeline. Curiously I had a conversation with a (part-time) publisher this week :o - he hopes to produce a work on crocus when his current subject is complete. Don't start jumping to conclusions though :)
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How did I miss out clusii :-[
Glad to hear there is a new monograph in the pipeline. Curiously I had a conversation with a (part-time) publisher this week :o - he hopes to produce a work on crocus when his current subject. Don't start jumping to conclusions though :)
Well, there you go!!!!! ??? 8) ::)
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very exciting news. Will it be filled with photos?
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More to the point, will it sort out the grey areas of nomenclature? Surely you get enough pictures here Mark! :)
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My computer may be in the bed room but I cant take to bed with me
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Get a wireless laptop then ;D
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David stop dreaming and better forget it! :'(
But if you wait 3 or 4 years more you can buy the
new monograph by Kerndorff and Pasche!
THomas , I,m dreaming too to see a new monograpy by Kerndorff & Pasche, however Erich told me a few months ago , finding a publisher for a limited market =small printrun, has so far proved unsuccessful.
Pity I gave my spare copy of THE CROCUS away recently as a present.
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It doesn't surprise me at all that Kerndorff & Pasche are having difficulties in finding a publisher for a monograph on Crocus. I'm not holding my breath.
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Couldn't SRGC publish it, doing so would fit in well with the aims and objectives? Could be worth exploring further.
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David, book publishing is a special skill and not a project to be undertaken lightly. Publishing and promoting a mongraph like this would take a lot of time and effort for a small company. The SRGC does have one person capable of undertaking the task but I don't think that she is in the least bit interested. To be frankly honest, if a company like Timber Press are not interested, then the probability is that the book is not very saleable.
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Couldn't SRGC publish it, doing so would fit in well with the aims and objectives? Could be worth exploring further.
OK 'twas just a thought.
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I'm afraid David Shaw is right. Times have changed since 1982 & even with its beautiful colour plates, I doubt that BM's monograph would find a publisher today. Twenty or thirty years ago publishers could rely on substantial sales to institutional libraries of monographs but these days such libraries don't have the funds for unnecessary or "luxury" purchases. Glossy picturebooks which sell to the general public are what publishers want now, not scholarly monographs.
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Thats not so bad - I can contribute a bit to a glossy picture-book - just need to piggy-back the important stuff in from Germany without the publishers noticing. A bit like The Great Escape - only hopefully the success rate will be higher :-\
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There is always the option of a CD/DVD book
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Thats not so bad - I can contribute a bit to a glossy picture-book - just need to piggy-back the important stuff in from Germany without the publishers noticing. A bit like The Great Escape - only hopefully the success rate will be higher :-\
Go for it Tony.