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SRGC Shows and Events => Events => Topic started by: Martinr on September 17, 2015, 07:52:42 PM
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Frightening how quickly these things come round. All the info you need is in the attached pics of our adverts
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edit by maggi: I've added the pix full size, Martin. ;)
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Thanks Martin - and for posting the list of nurseries - got it booked in my diary - just hope I dont have to go to work - managed to get last year and it was excellent
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Hi Graeme, come and introduce yourself. I'll be the bearded, bespectacled Scotsman running about like the proverbial fly with a blue posterior :o
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Hi Graeme, come and introduce yourself. I'll be the bearded, bespectacled Scotsman running about like the proverbial fly with a blue posterior :o
I do know who you are - and probibly you will have seen me about - I will give you a shout if I see you - I know Eric and Doreen as well who used to run that show - I just don't get out much.........
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Loughborough AGS show is on Saturday.
Yellow lighting notwithstanding we hope to be there.
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Let's hope for lots of sun to ameliorate the effect of the lights 8)
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me too - I need some retail therapy
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A few pictures from AGS Loughborough show today, for further pictures please visit: lawrencepeetalpines.com
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There were some great plants on show today - plant and bulb sales were good as well - managed to get there today before the bacon ran out as well which was really great
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OK, who left the blue carrier bag with 3 plants and 6 packets of bulbs?????? Time to claim them before I declare finders keepers :o
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OK, who left the blue carrier bag with 3 plants and 6 packets of bulbs?????? Time to claim them before I declare finders keepers :o
not me I checked all mine in and remembered to pick up everything from the members stand.
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Not us either.
Slightly confused, The Judges had left a note next to one Cyclamen labelled C. graecum ssp. anatolicum saying the t it was more correctly C, maritimum, BUT the Farrer Medal plant was labelled C. graecum ssp. anatolicum, but did not have the note changing the name. So, are all C. g. a, now C. maritimum or only some of them?
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My question too. I believe it is an 'accepted' name change but not yet in universal circulation. These things inevitably create an overlap in naming so you get both in circulation for a time.
My excuse is we put on the award cards what the Judging Coordinator writes down :P
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...Slightly confused, The Judges had left a note next to one Cyclamen labelled C. graecum ssp. anatolicum saying the t it was more correctly C, maritimum, BUT the Farrer Medal plant was labelled C. graecum ssp. anatolicum, but did not have the note changing the name. So, are all C. g. a, now C. maritimum or only some of them?
It would have clarified things a little if the judges had stated that the comments related to all the plants labelled as C. graecum ssp anatolicum and not just the pan the note had been placed against. Yes, ssp anatolicum has been raised to species level - maritimum - following the latest taxonomic research. It's an interesting issue, I think, from a judging perspective. To what extent can/should show schedules be modified or relaxed 'in-year' to reflect the latest advances in plant taxonomy? Strictly speaking, any anatolicum plants on the bench shouldn't have been in the graecum class because they are now a separate species but they can't be NAS because the 2014/15 schedule was set before this change to specific level took place. And it's unrealistic to expect most exhibitors to know about this so soon after the change was made. Though as the Farrer Medal winner is also one of the Cyclamen Society's most successful exhibitors, I think it's safe to assume he knows about the changes in the graecum family (!) but you go with what's printed in the show schedule; they are always going to lag behind to some extent. However, I was amused to see one plant exhibited had taken advantage of the latest taxonomic research. The winner of the class for 1 pan Cyclamen (excl. hederifolium group and graecum) was a Cyclamen maritimum . As the exhibitor is a senior member of the Cyclamen Society and a prominent AGS judge, I couldn't possibly comment. (Quick thinking, Vic!)
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I was not criticising the Judges or the exhibitor or anyone else for that matter. I only wanted to know so that the picture I took could be properly labelled.
There have been so many changes to names in so many Genus, I am amazed that anyone can keep up with them. No doubt the Schedules will reflect these changes eventually.
Actually it makes it hard for us poor photographers too, in that I will now have to go back through all my Show pictures and rename so many of them.
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I wouldn't rush, I see the change hasn't made it to 'The Plant List' yet. My guess is what will happen in show schedules is we'll have a 'graecum group' which will include C maritinum just like we have the 'hederifolium group' which includes the likes of C africanum.
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Great pix, Lawrence - and interesting stuff re name of the Cyclamen from Ian Robertson which won the Farrer Medal
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This was a fantastic plant shown by Ian Robertson - saw it at the Wisley Alpine day. The comment about the name confused me until I looked back in the guides to cyclamen by Doris Saunders and Christopher Grey-Wilson and found that this was a name once given to this (or a) particular plant from southern Turkey by Hildebrand (and that 'graecum' has often been split into different species in the past). Changing the name doesn't seem to add to any clearer understanding as far as I can see, except perhaps in making you go and look more closely again at the botanical literature and realise more about the natural distribution of these plants. The different forms of 'graecum' all look like 'graecum' more than they look like anything else - a new name just seems to add obfuscation.
On a different level it seems clear that the more you learn about plants, and see their variation, the more names will be split to identify differences in distribution, cytology etc., but it would be useful to explain this more at Alpine Shows rather than simply 'giving' a new name with no explanation. To a degree this might explain why alpine gardening can come to seem rather exclusive - after all a high proportion of gardeners will have no trouble knowing what a cyclamen is but it takes a clear explanation to take in (and want to take in) the genus in more detail and C. graecum itself is hardly a reliable and good garden plant in most UK gardens unless under glass. Most interesting of all are comparative displays which show the variation and relate it to place.
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Hi Everyone
I have now added my photos from the show to the AGS website here:
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows//Loughborough+Autumn+Show+rd+October+/20009/?page=2 (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows//Loughborough+Autumn+Show+rd+October+/20009/?page=2)
This is Rhododendron Schlippenbachii Dwarf Form, from Cheju Island in S Korea, exhibited by Dave Mountfort.
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There have been so many changes to names in so many Genus, I am amazed that anyone can keep up with them.
My answer is why bother. Most of these name changes relate to plants so closely related that nobody will be able to tell the difference particularly with crocuses. Crocus kofudagensis has just appeared on Facebook and it is clearly just a variant of C. assumaniae but if you want one it will cost twenty times as much. On the plus side my collection of species is increasing by the month,same plants ,new names, but making very desirable swaps.
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Thanks for the link, Jon - what great colour on the rhodo - I suppose it must be autumn. :-\