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Title: Fungi 2015
Post by: Peter Maguire on August 29, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
We don't seem to have a topic for fungi yet this year, so as we are entering the fungi season (at least here in the northern hemisphere) I thought I'd take the liberty of starting one.

To start with an i-d puzzle...... This little fungus was part of a small group of 4-5 fruiting bodies, all around 2-3 cms high, seen last week on wet, acid moorland (Simonside Hills) in Northumberland. My first thought was that it belonged to the Chantrelle family (Cantharellus sp) from the funnel shape, but they seem to be mainly woodland species, and seem to have many more gills, at least on the ones I've seen.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: David Lyttle on August 30, 2015, 04:00:14 AM
I would consider Omphalina though it may be difficult to make an ID from the specimen you have photographed. Since I have a very rudimentary knowledge of Northern hemisphere fungi I may be entirely wrong.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Peter Maguire on August 30, 2015, 11:56:36 PM
David, many thanks for that clue about the genus. Based on descriptions of the various species and also the habitat where I photographed it, I've tentatively identified it as Omphalina ericetorum.

Interestingly, it's the fungal fruiting body of a lichen Lichenomphalia umbellifera:
www.lichens.lastdragon.org/Lichenomphalia_umbellifera.html (http://www.lichens.lastdragon.org/Lichenomphalia_umbellifera.html)
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Chris Johnson on August 31, 2015, 08:13:36 AM
Bit late on this one Peter, I've been away for a few days.

Certainly the Ophalina group and could be Lichenomphalia umbellifera but it's a bit too old for definite determination. This species is very common in wet moorland habitat so it's worth looking out for more fruit-bodies.

Lichenised fungi are complex and involve a lichen-like basal thallus and an alga. However the lichen and fungus don't carry separate names. Omphalina ericetorum is an earlier synonym of Lichenomphalia umbellifera.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: David Lyttle on August 31, 2015, 11:20:47 AM
It was a bit of a stab in the dark, Peter.
Interesting Chris considers it could be Lichenomphalia umbellifera. We have several Lichenomphalia species here in New Zealand. I am posting two photos of Lichenomphalia alpina which is a lichenised basidiomycete (most lichen fungi are ascomycetes) You can see the little green scales of the  lichen thallus in the first photo.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: ian mcdonald on August 31, 2015, 12:01:44 PM
Hello Peter, here is a similar one among grass on peat.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: ian mcdonald on August 31, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
Another on peat. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Peter Maguire on August 31, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
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Omphalina ericetorum is an earlier synonym of Lichenomphalia umbellifera.
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I noticed that there were many synonyms mentioned in the article wasn't quite sure which was the most recent - or whether it will be the same next week.  ;)

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....it's worth looking out for more fruit-bodies

Having returned from that walk somewhat footsore and more than a trifle fatigued, I won't be again in the area in the near future!

Thanks for your comments Chris, it's been a fascinating search for the identity and also delving into the lichen symbiosis. I'm not used to lichens fruiting bodies being so large, the little cups of Cladonia being more more familiar.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on August 31, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
Another on peat. Any ideas?
Orange peel fungus? Don't know the latin!
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Chris Johnson on August 31, 2015, 07:56:23 PM
Orange peel fungus? Don't know the latin!

Aleuria aurantia. That was my first (and only) thought. Not really typical of peaty habitats but if it was at the side of a track it would make more sense.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Chris Johnson on August 31, 2015, 08:10:14 PM
Interesting Chris considers it could be Lichenomphalia umbellifera. We have several Lichenomphalia species here in New Zealand. I am posting two photos of Lichenomphalia alpina which is a lichenised basidiomycete (most lichen fungi are ascomycetes) You can see the little green scales of the  lichen thallus in the first photo.

It was a 'best guess' given the habitat, David, but the specimen is really past its best. The perceived wisdom is, if it's a single specimen or old, keep walking. :o

Ian's image also shows mainly mature specimens but has a typical Omphalina look. The nearest I can get is Omphalina pyxidata, however, this species colonizes burnt ground and Ian doesn't mention this.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: ian mcdonald on August 31, 2015, 10:19:52 PM
Hello Chris, there was no burnt ground. The fungi were on short grass among birch on peat.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Peter Maguire on September 15, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
On the face of it, this is an unremarkable fungus. The photograph was taken on Sunday on Newcastle's Town Moor (a large area - 1000acre/400 hectare - of open grassland in the centre of town where the Freemen of the city of Newcastle can graze cattle). The grassland at this time of the year is liberally spattered with the droppings of cows, and at first sight I thought that this was one of those. At about 20+cms across it was most impressive, especially as it was unblemished. If my identification is correct it is Agaricus arvensis which is edible (I didn't try it!) but it was large enough to be the plate to eat a meal off, rather than the meal itself.  :o
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: David Lyttle on September 15, 2015, 12:43:21 PM
Peter, if your ID was correct they are edible and quite good . The flavour is stronger than the normal field mushroom ( Agaricus campestris). We get field mushrooms here late summer and we gorge ourselves with them. We get Agaricus arvensis which we call horse mushroom as well but not in the same quantities.
When I was growing up my parents did not consider it edible; most people in those days considered anything other than Agaricus campestris poisonous and to be avoided at all costs.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Peter Maguire on September 15, 2015, 02:20:33 PM
We call them horse mushrooms here too. I found out when I got home that I could have confirmed the i-d by sniffing it (smells of aniseed apparently) and cutting it off at ground level - correct i-d as long as the cut surface doesn't turn yellow. I'll know for next time.  ;)

To be honest, from the monstrous size of the thing I don't' think that there's much else it could be!
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: ian mcdonald on September 15, 2015, 03:37:25 PM
We used to call them horse mushrooms as well. I don,t think we ate them as they were too big. It pays to look for maggots in old or big mushrooms.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Ulla Hansson on September 15, 2015, 08:05:22 PM
It is one of the tastiest mushrooms I know. Young mushrooms are also good to eat raw. The only problem is finding them.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on September 25, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
Some unusual forms of fungi shown here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12958.msg341829#msg341829)  - I don't think too many will have seen these!
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Chris Johnson on September 25, 2015, 01:10:54 PM
Some unusual forms of fungi shown here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12958.msg341829#msg341829)  - I don't think too many will have seen these!

 ;D ;D Inspired ... also time on her hands.
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on September 25, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
;D ;D Inspired ... also time on her hands.
Well, I'm not so sure about that - it's part of a project for her website/blog - to promote her business - selling, patterns etc. so it's done with more purpose than as a pastime. It just looks more fun thatn the average promotional project!  :)
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Chris Johnson on September 25, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
Well, I'm not so sure about that - it's part of a project for her website/blog - to promote her business - selling, patterns etc. so it's done with more purpose than as a pastime. It just looks more fun thatn the average promotional project!  :)

Yes, I did visit the website. The comment was meant jokingly. :)
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on September 25, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
Oh good, I'd hate to think you weren't a fun guy  :D
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 28, 2015, 02:08:48 PM
Oh good, I'd hate to think you weren't a fun guy  :D
To be fair, Maggi,
You didn't leave Chris mush room to move :(
 ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Fungi 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on September 28, 2015, 04:27:01 PM
To be fair, Maggi,
You didn't leave Chris mush room to move :(
 ;D
cheers
fermi

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