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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Hans J on May 17, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
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Hi all ,
here are some pics from my Salvia :D
Salvia 'Nachtvlinder'
It is a breeding from Frank Fischer ...a specialist for Salvia ( his nursery is not so far away from me )
http://www.franks-salvias.de/ (http://www.franks-salvias.de/)
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here is Salvia 'Wendy's Wish ' ( a breeding from Australia )
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here a species from Peru
Salvia discolor ( with a small animal :D)
Enjoy
Hans
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Salvia discolor ( with a small animal :D)
Very nice Hans - one of my favourite salvias, including the scent of the foliage, although it tends to flop about without some support.
'Nachtvlinder' is rather fine too 8)
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S.discolor is my favourite too. I lost mine this winter when the greenhouse electrics shorted out.
Are we allowed to share ours here as well - I have a few.
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Good to know that here are other Salvia fans ;D
I have also lost earlier S.discolor ...in this year I had luck and could buy a new plant
Are you know any sources for seeds of S.discolor ?
...only in case ...
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I love Salvia too :D I have lost many of them in harsh winters so I still have only a few ones
I have never seen seeds on my S. discolor
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I'm told that S.dicolor rarely sets seed even in its natural habitat.
In bloom at the moment I have;
S.algeriensis...............
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7601/16970034679_3f7d1cdd53_z.jpg)
S.gesneriiflora.............
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5463/17487038435_a3892ff08f_z.jpg)
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Have you Salvia lovers seen this thread from Tomas Roantree ?
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13011.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13011.0)
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yes Maggi ! :D
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Thank you , Nicole!
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yes Maggi ! :D
Have you Salvia lovers seen this thread from Tomas Roantree ?
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13011.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13011.0)
No Maggi ;D
An interesting new member by the looks of it!
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Tomas is new to the Forum but he has been an SRGC member for quite some time. 8)
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Slowly the Salvia awaken. Salvia confertiflora has come back as has S.stolonifera. S.atrocyanea is growing like crazy now.
So the only losses or no show (so far) are S.discolor, S.breviabra, S.involucrata and S.cacaliaefolia.
Pink Blush has come into bloom.............
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5337/18030348892_04d4cb8448_z.jpg)
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I have a few in bloom now;
S.algeriensis is proving to be a good small Salvia.............
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8854/18533451901_049a636567_z.jpg)
"Raspberry Royale".............
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/265/18531448614_faa2d3e4ab_z.jpg)
Both the red and white forms of S.microphylla..............
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/412/18533387853_d1e05d973e_z.jpg)
Salvia forsskoalii.............
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/418/18966281800_68a3bc12df_z.jpg)
S.patens.............
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/457/18579414593_b5cb100386_z.jpg)
And Salvia radula..........
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/302/18982248973_385880abf6_z.jpg)
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Salvia 'African Skies' x2;
Salvia muirii x 2
cheers
fermi
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Lovely Salvias Fermi!
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I'd forgotten about this thread.
Lovely Salvias Fermi!
I agree! S.muirii looks interesting!
Here S.leucantha is enjoying the mild weather thet we've had so far.............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5708/23338737112_8b71808835_z.jpg)
Salvia confertiflora has finally started to bloom four months late which sums up the summer of 2015 rather well!
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5741/23115702834_e637b25fb8_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/626/23661494481_ffc9369588_z.jpg)
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meanie,
Salvia confertiflora will bloom in the late summertime for you? Here in our part of California it has always been a fall - winter bloomer. I am not sure how it behaves near the California coast. Maybe it blooms late summer there too?
Are the Salvias growing outside? Even at our bungalow in the Sacramento Valley there has been frost. S. confertiflora always seemed tender and needed to be grown next to a wall or the house to survive the winter. S. leucantha was tender too, but could withstand a bit more frost and still remain alive.
Right now Salvia semiatrata is the only Salvia in bloom at our Sacramento bungalow. At the farm it tried to snow last night and we had black ice everywhere this morning. At the farm, winter weather looks to stay for awhile. Needless to say there is not much activity in the garden now.
Thanks for sharing the photographs! It brings back good memories when I grew tender plants such as many of the Salvias. I guess this is my vicarious fix with these types of plants. :)
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S.confertiflora is a late summer through to the frost bloomer here. I just dig it up and chuck it in a large pot late October as it seems too tender for the UK. This photo was taken at the beginning of September last year.................
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3842/15107236642_f229e417c7_z.jpg)
S.leucantha is just about hardy in a sheltered spot with sharp drainage.
My first year from seed S.semiatrata is just budding up along with S.gesneriiflora and S.lasianthe.
A few of note from 2015;
For some reason S.patens was especially good..............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5829/21499540322_f0b0d029a1_z.jpg)
S.urica struggled a bit..............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5731/21519327141_dbac8b5dfd_z.jpg)
S.atrocyanea..............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5705/21488602333_32ee096bae_z.jpg)
Salvia Royal Bumble from seed sent by Hans...............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5827/21598495094_2f394804a5_z.jpg)
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meanie,
Great looking Salvias! 8)
It was a good year for the various forms of Salvia patens here at the farm (only in containers). The Salvias planted in the ground were completely destroyed by the rodents. :P They did not eat the roots, they just continued to tunnel under the plants all summer until the plants gave up (the irrigation went somewhere else). I covered them with row cover to get them through last winter hoping for a good show this year. Only S. guaranitica surrived the whole summer season. I did not bother to cover any of them with row cover this fall and I am sure that they are all dead now. Lots of frost this autumn!
I do have a few tender species in containers that I brought down to our bungalow in Sacramento where they will survive the winter.
There are some nice California native Salvias in the garden here at the farm. They look good and survive without much care at all. Many have very fragrant foliage which is a balm all year! :) I am trying some of the xeric African species and will see how they do.
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Robert,
I have found S.guaranitica to be perfectly hardy here in the UK given good drainage so I would have thought that yours would be ok. As with all drainage dependent plants if the prevailing soil is less than perfect I lift them every couple of years in the spring, turn the soil in the area adding a bit more grit and sand before replanting. My thinking behind it is that soil does compact and "silt up" over time. It's also a good time to nab a few of the creeping rhizomes for new plants.
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Meanie,
You grow a lot of beautiful salvias!
I have wanted to grow a red/crimson salvias outside here but none seems to be hardy enough. Do you have any to recommend?
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Meanie,
You grow a lot of beautiful salvias!
I have wanted to grow a red/crimson salvias outside here but none seems to be hardy enough. Do you have any to recommend?
How extreme are your Norwegian winters?
The hardiest will be S.microphylla...................
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/466/20371365676_b1a7b13ec9_z.jpg)
Royal Bumble is probably closest to the colour that you're after but I have no idea about the absolute hardiness so far...........
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5827/21598495094_2f394804a5_z.jpg)
S.stolonifera is surprisingly hardy and actually prefers moist conditions............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3785/19689727548_a46873f6cc_z.jpg)
It's not the most floriferous but the foliage is not unattractive...........
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/402/19691115919_801f6b9a2a_z.jpg)
If a frost free greenhouse or similar is available S.gesneriiflora is a good spring bloomer in northern Europe............
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/474/18527072072_266da40044_z.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5463/17487038435_a3892ff08f_z.jpg)
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Trond,
Meanie is correct. Salvia microphylla in its various forms are fairly cold hardy. I have some plants that have over-wintered every year (well over a decade) without any protection at all. I have not even given any consideration for soil drainage in our clay soil. It has easily been -8 C some winters and it generally always gets to -7 C.
Salvia microphylla var. grahamii is low growing and has good red flowers over a very long period of time. Some of the other forms of S. microphylla will grow much taller, however there are many color selections. There is also a long list of red flowering hybrids. A list that gets longer every year, at least around here.
I think that there is a good chance that one of the red forms will grow well for you.
meanie,
Actually quite a number of the "tender" Salvias have over-wintered and regrown from the roots here at our farm. Generally, they grow much weaker the next growing season after re-sprouting, but then I have to admit that I have made no effort to improve the soil drainage every few years. After a few seasons they have all given up. Part of the situation may very well be climatic. Many species that are "hardy" in the maritime Pacific Northwest U.S.A. are not hardy here with more or less the same temperatures. Our climate is much more "continental" which may explain the different.
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How extreme are your Norwegian winters?
Meanie,
My winters are not extreme - at least not when it comes to temperature. Last winter the coldest month was February with a monthly mean of 3.9C. The coldest night was -7.6C.
Precipitation is another issue. Rain, rain rain; and fog; and wind!
Here at home the moisture is the worst enemy I think. At my summerhouse the temperature is slightly colder in winter but warmer in summer and it is much drier. I think I will try those you mention both places!
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Robert,
think I will go for microphylla! But I will try the other ones as well :)
Any hue of red will do!
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Meanie,
My winters are not extreme - at least not when it comes to temperature. Last winter the coldest month was February with a monthly mean of 3.9C. The coldest night was -7.6C.
Precipitation is another issue. Rain, rain rain; and fog; and wind!
Here at home the moisture is the worst enemy I think. At my summerhouse the temperature is slightly colder in winter but warmer in summer and it is much drier. I think I will try those you mention both places!
A good source for Salvia seed is Robin Middleton. Send an email to him using the link at the bottom of the following page to request a seed list which comes out in the new year..................
http://www.robinssalvias.com/index.html (http://www.robinssalvias.com/index.html)
Robin is a good bloke so you may want to ask him for advice as well.
I may have some seed left over for "Royal Bumble" from HansJ - I'll take a look over the holiday period.
meanie,
Actually quite a number of the "tender" Salvias have over-wintered and regrown from the roots here at our farm. Generally, they grow much weaker the next growing season after re-sprouting, but then I have to admit that I have made no effort to improve the soil drainage every few years. After a few seasons they have all given up. Part of the situation may very well be climatic. Many species that are "hardy" in the maritime Pacific Northwest U.S.A. are not hardy here with more or less the same temperatures. Our climate is much more "continental" which may explain the different.
I agree as far as the more tender species/cultivars go but when it comes to S.guarantica I do consider it hardy given that small bit of extra love.
A few weeks ago we saw -5°c and all my S.urica were cut to the ground. All are now reshooting from the base of the plant now and if that is as bad as our winter gets they'll survive. But I suspect that more frosts later on will finish them off for good.
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A good source for Salvia seed is Robin Middleton. Send an email to him using the link at the bottom of the following page to request a seed list which comes out in the new year..................
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Robin is a good bloke so you may want to ask him for advice as well.
I may have some seed left over for "Royal Bumble" from HansJ - I'll take a look over the holiday period.
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Thanks meanie :) Think I will contact Robin also.
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I have read about a new source for Salvia seed ( and other plants, too) : www.salvias.com.ar (http://www.salvias.com.ar)
2016 INTERNATIONAL SALVIA SEED CATALOGUE
NOW AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
150 VARIETIES LISTED, MANY RARE AND EXCLUSIVE
WORLDWIDE SHIPPING
Contact us: salvias.com.ar@gmail.com
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Maggi - thank you :D :D
I have asked there for a seed list - just received
:( sorry but I cannot post it here ( too big )
To the Prices :
one Portion of seeds for 5 Euro
for shipping costs : 11 Euro
...I find this not cheap ...when I send seeds worldwide I ask for 4 Euro
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I have read about a new source for Salvia seed ( and other plants, too) : www.salvias.com.ar (http://www.salvias.com.ar)
2016 INTERNATIONAL SALVIA SEED CATALOGUE
NOW AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
150 VARIETIES LISTED, MANY RARE AND EXCLUSIVE
WORLDWIDE SHIPPING
Contact us: salvias.com.ar@gmail.com
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Rolando Uria has a good pedigree in the Salvia world. Well known for his expertise he also the man who discovered Salvia "Amistad" and bought it to cultivation.
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Salvia semiatrata blooming in our Sacramento, California garden. It blooms all winter - great for the hummingbirds! I appreciate the pebbled texture of the foliage of this species.
My wife and I have some other winter blooming species planned for the garden - mostly for the hummingbirds!
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Salvia semiatrata blooming in our Sacramento, California garden. It blooms all winter - great for the hummingbirds! I appreciate the pebbled texture of the foliage of this species.
My wife and I have some other winter blooming species planned for the garden - mostly for the hummingbirds!
That is lovely Robert!
Mine got badly frost burned whilst I was away as did S.lasiantha which was even closer to blooming.
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meanie,
What misfortune! Hopefully your Salvias will recover.
Salvia semiatrata has been highly satisfactory at our Sacramento bungalow as well as S. chiapensis. By the way, did you have any success growing it (S. chiapensis) from seed? Our plants do set viable seed and I have grown a few on. I have to admit that I do not get much seed from the plants - they are all the same clone. Many Salvias set copious amounts of seed when selfed - clearly not S. chiapensis. Not in our garden anyway.
We are planning to add Salvia gesneriiflora to the garden - mostly for the winter bloom and food for the Anna's Hummingbirds. We have had good luck cutting back S. semiatrata every season. We still have a fabulous blooming season and can keep it in bounds. Hopefully the same protocol will work with S. gesneriiflora. It can get huge, at least around here.
I may regret it, but we plan to try S. madrensis too. The winter bloom is perfect, but it is such a large beast.
One more item on the Salvia front around here - I was gifted seed of the yellow, yellow-orange and lavender forms of Salvia spathacea (God bless you Ginny Hunt!). Germination was fantastic and we should see flowers next spring. For us, a prefect xeric species for the shade.
A number of annual species (some California natives) are coming on well, as are other types. I will post photograph as they develop.
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meanie,
What misfortune! Hopefully your Salvias will recover.
They are already.
A new pane of glass broke in one of the greenhouses and the temperature dropped down to about -5°c. Cubanola and various succulents are deffo dead. Deppea splendens (it was in bud), Lantana, Tibouchina, Clianthus (both the red and white forms were in bud too), Solanum and Iochroma were cut down. They should survive but the Deppea was immediately moved to the bathroom where a new shoot has just emerged from the base of the plant.
By the way, did you have any success growing it (S. chiapensis) from seed? Our plants do set viable seed and I have grown a few on. I have to admit that I do not get much seed from the plants - they are all the same clone. Many Salvias set copious amounts of seed when selfed - clearly not S. chiapensis. Not in our garden anyway.
Yes and no. I had germination but for some reason (overwatering possibly) they died after a few weeks.
We are planning to add Salvia gesneriiflora to the garden - mostly for the winter bloom and food for the Anna's Hummingbirds. We have had good luck cutting back S. semiatrata every season. We still have a fabulous blooming season and can keep it in bounds. Hopefully the same protocol will work with S. gesneriiflora. It can get huge, at least around here.
S.gesneriiflora does not grow overly large in a pot here................
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/474/18527072072_266da40044_z.jpg)
Mine was in the other greenhouse and should be in bloom in a few weeks.
I may regret it, but we plan to try S. madrensis too. The winter bloom is perfect, but it is such a large beast.
One more item on the Salvia front around here - I was gifted seed of the yellow, yellow-orange and lavender forms of Salvia spathacea (God bless you Ginny Hunt!). Germination was fantastic and we should see flowers next spring. For us, a prefect xeric species for the shade.
S. madrensis and S.spathacea are really nice Robert. I need to grow more of the yellow species.
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meanie,
S.gesneriiflora does not grow overly large in a pot here................
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/474/18527072072_266da40044_z.jpg)
This and many of your other comments and observations I find very useful.
I grow Salvia sinaloensis in a pot. It is survives the winter outdoors in the ground at our Sacramento home, however it has been difficult for us to have consistent flower production every years. Maybe too much root competition from neighboring trees and shrubs. In a pot it blooms well every year.
Your success with container culture has prompted me to consider some other "tender" species in pots. There are a number that I have grown in the past that I would not mind having again as container plants, S. melissodora and S. blepharophylla to name a few. :)
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"Almost a salvia" and often sold as one, is Lepechinia salviae, which we re-acquired this year and it's doing extremely well in one of the new beds, with plenty of summer water,
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
Thank you for sharing the photographs.
Lepechinia is an interesting genus. We have 5 native species here in California. Our local species is L. calycina, a low elevation, xeric, chaparral plant with aromatic foliage. The whitish, bell-like, flowers are fairly large but do not stand out much. I like scented foliage so this encourages me to cultivate this species in our garden. Our other 4 Lepechinia species are native to Southern California and I have never experimented with them. I have grown L. hastata in the past. It is said to be native to Hawaii? ??? Somebody would need to check into this - to confirm. It seemed cold hardy enough in our garden, however it finally disappeared for reason I am uncertain about - most likely neglect but getting frozen out is a possibility too (this was a long time ago - this escapes my memory, maybe one of those senior moments :-[ ). Anyway, I liked your photographs and it has kindled my interest in experimenting with some of our other California species. I might even try L. hastata again if I come across a plant. :)
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I have just collected few seeds so if you want to try sowing... ;)
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I have just collected few seeds so if you want to try sowing... ;)
Nicole,
I very much appreciate the seed offer. :) An import permit is required to import seed into the U.S.A. I do have an import permit, however it will be easier to find the seed or a plant locally. Lepechinia hastata is not common locally but it has been around for a long time. Most likely I will find a plant. Again, thank you very much. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. :) 8) :)
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Sorry Robert ;) Thank you :)
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meanie,
This and many of your other comments and observations I find very useful.
I grow Salvia sinaloensis in a pot. It is survives the winter outdoors in the ground at our Sacramento home, however it has been difficult for us to have consistent flower production every years. Maybe too much root competition from neighboring trees and shrubs. In a pot it blooms well every year.
Your success with container culture has prompted me to consider some other "tender" species in pots. There are a number that I have grown in the past that I would not mind having again as container plants, S. melissodora and S. blepharophylla to name a few. :)
Many of the tender and borderline hardy Salvia adapt very well to pot culture. They will be smaller and ultimately produce a lower number of blooms but on the whole few disappoint in a pot. Also, if the climate is not suited then we have no choice. I also find that lifting them in early to mid October and chucking them into a pot for winter causes most species and cultivars no great distress.
Lepechnia is a genus that I've come so close to success with only for the autumn to arrive. Any tips for growing them in a cooler climate?
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My Lepechinia is grown in a great pot I bring in a polytunnel during the winter ; it grows well and fast from seeds so I sow new plants regularly ; it is flowering in late summer so I can take all advantage of its flowers before first frost ;) Do you wish some seeds Meanie ?
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Many of the tender and borderline hardy Salvia adapt very well to pot culture. They will be smaller and ultimately produce a lower number of blooms but on the whole few disappoint in a pot. Also, if the climate is not suited then we have no choice. I also find that lifting them in early to mid October and chucking them into a pot for winter causes most species and cultivars no great distress.
meanie,
I have not had much luck lifting tender species in the autumn. I suspect that with our long growing season the plants grow too large to transplant well. An additional fact could be warm and dry weather can often occur in November and even December stressing the plants. At one time I planted tender species out in their containers hoping it would be make lifting them less stressful. This had its problems too.
I like your idea of lifting plants, however with our climatic conditions it can be risky. When I have a chance I will continue to experiment with some modifications that work under our conditions. Having some of the tender species in our El Dorado county garden would be sweet. :)
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My Lepechinia is grown in a great pot I bring in a polytunnel during the winter ; it grows well and fast from seeds so I sow new plants regularly ; it is flowering in late summer so I can take all advantage of its flowers before first frost ;) Do you wish some seeds Meanie ?
Merci pour l'information Fleurbleu ;D
Yes, some seed would be nice. Have a look in the following albums and I may have seed of anything that interests you to make a swap with.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35724365@N05/albums/72157651535862337 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/35724365@N05/albums/72157651535862337)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35724365@N05/albums/72157642094996033 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/35724365@N05/albums/72157642094996033)
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meanie,
I have not had much luck lifting tender species in the autumn. I suspect that with our long growing season the plants grow too large to transplant well. An additional fact could be warm and dry weather can often occur in November and even December stressing the plants. At one time I planted tender species out in their containers hoping it would be make lifting them less stressful. This had its problems too.
I like your idea of lifting plants, however with our climatic conditions it can be risky. When I have a chance I will continue to experiment with some modifications that work under our conditions. Having some of the tender species in our El Dorado county garden would be sweet. :)
Most of the time I would do cuttings to keep as a back up but experience tells me which ones will lift without damage. By far the most reliably safe for lifting are the S.gauranitica and S.gesneriiflora hybrids.
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Most of the time I would do cuttings to keep as a back up but experience tells me which ones will lift without damage. By far the most reliably safe for lifting are the S.gauranitica and S.gesneriiflora hybrids.
meanie,
At one time I took back-up cuttings of the various tender Salvia species. How my mind drifts into and then focuses on other horticultural endeavors. This is a very sound idea. I appreciate the reminder. I do want to get S. melissodora and S. blepharophylla going again - and keep them. :)
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Definitely not for the rock garden is Salvia leucantha; this one is one of the new selections, 'Velour White' which was planted in early spring in a new raised bed which has been kept watered through the summer,
cheers
fermi
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Definitely not for the rock garden is Salvia leucantha; this one is one of the new selections, 'Velour White' which was planted in early spring in a new raised bed which has been kept watered through the summer,
cheers
fermi
If that is blooming early in an Australian autumn that could be a good choice for the UK gardener. There are a few more of the early blooming Salvia leucantha becoming available here now.
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Salvia leucantha is an autumn-into-the-winter bloomer here in California.
Fermi, the weather must be quite mild for you during the wintertime. S. leucantha cannot endure the "cold" winters at the farm, although it thrives in gardens near our Sacramento Valley home.
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Robert,
This hasn't gone through a winter here yet! :-\
In Melbourne (which is virtually frost-free) Mexican or wooly Sage flowers through the summer and into the autumn/early winter. When we planted some here they were cut to the ground by frost and did not reappear in spring, perhaps because they had not gotten established enough. We're hoping this plant has gotten its roots down deep and if it gets hit by frost that it will resprout later.
cheers
fermi
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In Melbourne (which is virtually frost-free) Mexican or wooly Sage flowers through the summer and into the autumn/early winter.
I can never get my species form in bloom before autumn here, even if kept frost free and in the green over the winter. It will bloom once autumnal conditions prevail and that will include all winter if it is a mild one.
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Salvia carduacea
This is an annual species that is native to California. This is my first season to grow this species. At first I was not impressed by its flowers or overall performance. However, as the season has progressed its charm has grown on me. The plants have continued to produce many more and new flowering stems as the season has progressed. In addition, with drier and warmer weather the slugs have become less of an issue. The species is a keeper for me.
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Salvia carduacea
This is an annual species that is native to California. This is my first season to grow this species. At first I was not impressed by its flowers or overall performance. However, as the season has progressed its charm has grown on me. The plants have continued to produce many more and new flowering stems as the season has progressed. In addition, with drier and warmer weather the slugs have become less of an issue. The species is a keeper for me.
I like that! Such a shame that the Californian species struggle as they do here in the UK.
S.gesneriiflora is finally in bloom...............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7456/26718437404_7b82bcf39a_z.jpg)
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Meanie,
How the climate effects our plants. The Salvia gesneriiflora in our area bloomed all winter and now are in active vegetive growth.
Yours looks great! :)
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Meanie,
How the climate effects our plants. The Salvia gesneriiflora in our area bloomed all winter and now are in active vegetive growth.
Yours looks great! :)
It has been threatening to bloom since Christmas but has only just given in to temptation.
A couple of cultivars are in bloom now;
Nachtvlinder............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7670/27229746822_c908ac3244_z.jpg)
And Blue Note............
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7689/27050943270_b441d1e6de_z.jpg)
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Another of the small cultivars came back into bloom today after the winter - S.microphylla "Pink Blush"..............
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Salvia "Love and Wishes" is a superb new introduction................
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I grow Salvia Wendy's wishes and yours is darker ; very easy for cuttings ;)
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I grow Salvia Wendy's wishes and yours is darker ; very easy for cuttings ;)
Wendys Wish is one of my favourites and is still going strong at my old house in a lovely sheltered spot.
"Amistad" was a cutting last year and was overwintered in the greenhouse as well as spending a large part of spring in there too. It has flourished and is now in bloom............
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A few more;
S.radula................
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The boggo standard S.microphylla...............
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Out of all of the S.microphylla, x.jamensis and greggii hybrids and cultivars Royal Bumble is probably my favourite for it's fantastic pure red (thanks HansJ).............
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Embers Wish..............
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Finally, Love and Wishes has probably been the plant of the season for me. It is a real good looker too..............
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Just discovered this salvia thread, have enjoyed reading all the comments. I got S. Love and Wishes recently. It's got superb foliage I must say, and great big flowers. Will be interesting to see how it performs next year planted in the garden in a free draining gravel bed. Does anyone grow S. chaemedroides by chance? I managed to lose it under something else after having it many years and would love to get it back if possible. I keep most salvias outside here with my sandy soil but obviously lose one or two here and there. Will post a few pics when I get chance to take them between raindrops...
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Does anyone grow S. chaemedroides by chance? I managed to lose it under something else after having it many years and would love to get it back if possible. I keep most salvias outside here with my sandy soil but obviously lose one or two here and there. Will post a few pics when I get chance to take them between raindrops...
I've never grown it. Like the look of it though. Look forward to your photos :)
A couple more;
S.radula............
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And one of my real favourites - S.oxyphora.............
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Just discovered this salvia thread, have enjoyed reading all the comments. I got S. Love and Wishes recently. It's got superb foliage I must say, and great big flowers. Will be interesting to see how it performs next year planted in the garden in a free draining gravel bed. Does anyone grow S. chaemedroides by chance? I managed to lose it under something else after having it many years and would love to get it back if possible. I keep most salvias outside here with my sandy soil but obviously lose one or two here and there. Will post a few pics when I get chance to take them between raindrops...
We grow Salvia chaemedroides here in Sacramento, California. It has never preformed well in our garden or most other gardens in our area. The gray foliage is attractive, even the blue(y) flowers are nice, however it generally grows very stringy and does not look right. Maybe our climatic conditions have something to do with its poor plant habit in our area. Maybe there is just a poor clone circulating in our region?
Meanie,
Salvia "Love and Wishes" is very impressive! 8)
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Another shot of Salvia oxyphora as it fills out.............
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Salvia coccinea..............
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Back in November of last year I had to have my cat of 21 years, Sage, put to sleep. In spring I planted her grave up with several Salvia...............
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Back at home and many of the Salvias are in bloom.
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A chance seedling of Salvia coccinea 'Lady in Red' came up in one of our garden beds. It is not in the best location. It will stay put and I will work around it until it dies-out this winter.
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Salvia chiapensis For us it is important to keep them well composted. They want to grow and bloom all year, but they need ample feeding to do this.
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Salvia sinaloensis If I do not keep them well feed they stop blooming. This plant has been well feed with compost and is rewarding us will many flowering stems.
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Salvia guaranitica 'Black and Blue'
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It's getting a bit late in the year but still plenty of flowers on my Salvias and I needed a record for my files. Not easy plants to picture I find, but here we go.
Salvia 'Trelissic', from Dyson's Nursery at Great Comp a couple of years ago.
Salvia ''Dyson's Joy', again from Dyson's Nursery
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.... and a third.
Salvia greggii 'Stormy Pink', not sure where I got that one from.
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Hi David,
A lovely set of Salvias! 8)
Here in California the Salvia greggii / microphylla types can become rangy after a few seasons in the ground. Do you shear your plants in the spring to keep them looking nice? Maybe with your climatic conditions this is unnecessary?
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Oh, thanks Robert.
I think my soil is pretty rich and is certainly moist and the Salvias seem to love it. S. greggii 'Stormy Pink' is certainly rangy and to a degree is thuggish, but gets by on her looks ;D Late last Autumn I gave her a good shearing, not realising that this should be done in Spring but she hasn't suffered as you can see. I shall shear them all next Spring. I also have one Salvia in a pot, I forget the name now but will check it out when I get into the garden later, a beautiful dark blue, that has been a bit of a disappointment. It flowered nicely for quite a few weeks and I then cut off the spent flower stems but it hasn't flowered since.
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The one I referred to above is Salvia 'Nachtvlinder' a couple of poor pictures below.
Also below is S. muelleri.
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Here are three of my Salvia.
1) Salvia greggii 'Salmon Dance'
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2) Salvia 'Pink Mulberry'
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3) Salvia uliginosa
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Hi David ,
sorry to correct you ...the right name is Salvia "Nachtvlinder"
This is a breeding from Frank Fischer :
http://www.franks-salvias.de/glossar-n.html (http://www.franks-salvias.de/glossar-n.html)
I have shown a Picture here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13186.msg333684#msg333684 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13186.msg333684#msg333684)
Hans
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Thanks for that Hans. I do tend to write my "v's" as "u's".
Did you find it wasn't as floriferous as some Salvias? Maybe I need to release mine to the garden?
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Nice Fred, I particularly liked Salvia uliginosa
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David ,
I had a lot of flowers on my Nachtvlinder ...but now it is cut back and the pot is in my Garage
I will not try my Salvia cultivars outside ...if we get a real strong winter ... :'(
Hans
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The one I referred to above is Salvia 'Nachtvlinder' a couple of poor pictures below.
David, what have you done to your Nachtvlinder ;D It is an absolute thug...................
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It is still blooming like that and has totally mugged Royal Bumble!
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Maybe it doesn't like being contained in a pot?
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Maybe it doesn't like being contained in a pot?
On the whole I would agree that the S.microhylla, gregii and x jamensis types are better in the ground yours (and please don't take offense) doesn't look large enough to trouble that pot. What sort of mix is it potted up with.
Or is it possible that you allowed it to dry out over an extended period? Whilst they are quite drought tolerant extended dry spells will knock them back.
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JI No. 3, sand and grit and has had the odd feed of high potash. I don't think we have ever had "an extended dry spell" here ;D
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JI No. 3, sand and grit and has had the odd feed of high potash. I don't think we have ever had "an extended dry spell" here ;D
That sounds like a good Salvia mix but............ when I grow shrubby types in pots I tend to just stick to a good MPC without the added drainage. The main reason being that if they're in a pot I shove them in the garage for the winter as they will be less hardy. By all reports Nachtvlinder appears to be very hardy so I would shove it in the ground in the spring if it were me.
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That sounds like a good Salvia mix but............ when I grow shrubby types in pots I tend to just stick to a good MPC without the added drainage. The main reason being that if they're in a pot I shove them in the garage for the winter as they will be less hardy. By all reports Nachtvlinder appears to be very hardy so I would shove it in the ground in the spring if it were me.
Ah, there's the rub meanie, where can you get a good multi-purpose compost these days? Provided it doesn't get too cold outdoors I'm tempted to leave it in the pot until Spring and then try to find somewhere for it in the garden. Or if it does come cold I'll give it b&b in the garage and then plant it out Springtime.
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It never occurs to me that these salvias are tender, I just leave them out and hope for the best.... not had a lot of losses so far, but I have got sandy free draining soil and even in wet winters like the last one they come through with no difficulty, and I'm a tad further north than you good folks.
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Ah, there's the rub meanie, where can you get a good multi-purpose compost these days? Provided it doesn't get too cold outdoors I'm tempted to leave it in the pot until Spring and then try to find somewhere for it in the garden. Or if it does come cold I'll give it b&b in the garage and then plant it out Springtime.
I swear by this David............
http://gro-humax.co.uk/products/humax-original/ (http://gro-humax.co.uk/products/humax-original/)
It never occurs to me that these salvias are tender, I just leave them out and hope for the best.... not had a lot of losses so far, but I have got sandy free draining soil and even in wet winters like the last one they come through with no difficulty, and I'm a tad further north than you good folks.
I find them hardy here in The Cotswolds where we frequently suffer some of the coldest nights in the UK. The only precaution that I take is to leave pruning back until the spring.
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I agree, I never cut them back until late spring, they look untidy, but I think it saves them.
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In California I always prune the "shrubby" Salvias (microphylla - greggii types and some others too) in the spring. Around here they can look awful all winter if trimmed in the autumn. More chance of die-back too - sometimes from cold weather, more often from damp-wet. For us, waiting until new growth starts works well. It is not uncommon to get a few flowering stems in the winter too.
To keep some Salvias tidy, a light summer trim can work well. Too often I do not have time for this, however plants can look spectacular in the autumn using this method.
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For me it is simple - autumn pruning rarely leaves enough time for the cut to heal. Plants with hollow stems benefit from the spring tidy up as well as it stops moisture running down the stems and rotting the plant from the inside out.
For me it is easy as I'm not a tidy garden protagonist. Far better to have a nice garden in the summer than a tidy garden in the winter when it is of no use to me.
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If I may add: in a garden pruned in spring or late winter, beneficial insects refuge to spend the bad season. A specialist Salvia having his nursery in Bruges in Belgium, advises prune in the spring and avoid soil moisture in winter. (Well drained)