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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: krisderaeymaeker on March 01, 2015, 07:24:03 PM
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Never get tired of this one .....
Crocus sieberi Tricolor
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Crocus heuffelianus 'Snow Princess ' .
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Hello to all and a great crocus year!
I love snow princess, Kris! I am still waiting for my little princess bloom!
Here my first flowers:
Cr.i.s.`De Jager`
(http://666kb.com/i/cwklvlqiqa5rusw3z.jpg)
Cr.chrys.`Herald`
(http://666kb.com/i/cwklvwzs5rnjnc8zz.jpg)
Greetings- Daniel
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Snow Princess is a stunning form Kris!
Crocus vernus 'Oradea' - a very nice Crocus selection from Janis Ruksans.
Crocus versicolor 'Painters Joy' - new to me but such a stunning good colour in bud! Also from Janis Ruksans.
Crocus malyi 'Ballerina'
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Crocus corsicus inner and outer
Crocus etruscus MS 990 (thanks Yann ;) inner and outer
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These are really from February
Crocus imperati
Crocus tommasinianus albus? It appeared this year in a piece of rough ground where I have some Narcissus planted. I remember I did have it once and it was such a miserable flower I threw the corms away. Obviously it is a tough survivor.
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Crocus imperati and Crocus etruscus corms had escaped being eaten by voles but the flowers disappeared last night, the leaves were shortened and the head of Narcissus cyclamineus was nipped off but not eaten. I suspect deer or rabbit.
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Crocus gargaricus ssp. gargaricus
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8681/16531277979_4aa3e98974_o_d.jpg)
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Steve - I am tempted to respond to every photograph you post but I am usually rendered speechless by each & every one of them. Simply amazing.
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At last some sunshine in SW Scotland and the crocuses have opened fully. Our garden was part of an old Victorian property and I think these crocuses have been here for a long time. I'm not a crocus expert - could someone help to identify them please? There is tremendous variation in colour and veining. Such a pleasure!
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At last some sunshine in SW Scotland and the crocuses have opened fully. Our garden was part of an old Victorian property and I think these crocuses have been here for a long time. I'm not a crocus expert - could someone help to identify them please? There is tremendous variation in colour and veining. Such a pleasure!
I have seen a similar selection in the Victorian Cemetery in Norwich. I think that they are all forms derived from Crocus vernus, probably whatever was in commerce at the time of planting. Almost all are very beautiful. In Norwich they meet Crocus tommasinianus in the cemetery and many attractive hybrids are found.
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Crocus vernus s.l. seedlings derived from the form named National Park. Not all have this interesting pattern of the petals.
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I have seen a similar selection in the Victorian Cemetery in Norwich. I think that they are all forms derived from Crocus vernus, probably whatever was in commerce at the time of planting. Almost all are very beautiful. In Norwich they meet Crocus tommasinianus in the cemetery and many attractive hybrids are found.
That's interesting. I think I'll plant some tommasinianus among them then in the autumn and see what happens. Thanks for the idea.
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Crocus pelistericus
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8623/16097451513_685ca84987_o.jpg)
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Nice seedlings of Heuf. National park Tony!
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Returning from wandering around the Crocus world (Italy, Greece, Portugal) and some health problems I found greenhouse full of flowers and so only very few pictures here
Some forms of Crocus abantensis
Crocus caricus
and Crocus roseoviolaceus
Janis
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Now some of Crocus chrysanthus seedlings. As I wrote earlier - my stock of cv. 'Sunspot' turned virus infected - so I was resowing it. On first picture - self-pollinated.
On the second is pictured selection where as pollen parent was used chrysanthus with black anthers (not C. muglaensis, but wild found individual collected near Akseki) - as you can see - finally succeed to join in one flower black stigma and anthers, but still improvement is needed
The third is one of my favourites, found wild near Akseki. I suppose natural hybrid between "chrysanthus" and "biflorus". Parents grow together and seem freely hybridizing. Really single locality where I observed this in wild.
And after that two another hybrids - one found by me near Akseki, another (with double flower - not usually) by Pasche(?) and Dirk.
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Pity, flowering here allways is after other countries, so not easy to compare. We here had snowing all night, but yesterday was nice half swun/ half clouds - so some common views of collection in full bloom. Pictured by Liga. Today is cold but tomorrow broadcasted even + 12 C.
Janis
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Stunning view Janis
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I never saw Crocus sieberi in flowers on Crete, but Australian nurseryman Marcus Harvey (now he is seriously ill) sent me good number of seeds what he collected on Omalos plain. Last year they started to bloom and I was schocked for huge size of flowers. Today I pictured one of seedlings with open flower and attached ruler showing diameter of open flower 8 cm. Larger than Dutch cultivars of "C. vernus".
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We can only hope that Marcus gains some success with his treatment, Janis - it is too bad to have such illness in much respected forum members.
Your giant crocus is a surprising thing but quite lovely.
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Janis, it sounds like a joke, here in flower now also a Crocus with 8 cm of diameter
How would the childs of these both giants probably look?
Crocus atticus, Greece
'' sublimis, Evia
'' orphei, N-Greece
'' variegatus, NE-Italy
'' korolkowii 'Albus'
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Magnificent flowering display Janis .... No-one does it better than you!
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The first in this entry is Crocus athous restored in its status last spring when I recollected it on Athos peninsula
Then some of Crocus korolkowii selections - Apricot (from Sjaak de Groot), Dytiscus (E.A. Bowles selection) and the last - my seedling 09-01
And the last picture is of 2 boxes with seedlings of Crocus chrysanthus Sunspot - most are with black stigmas, but size, shape of stigma, colour of petals back varie greatly. I suppose that Sunspot originally was collected at same locality as some of my wild selections from near Akseki because many seedlings looks almost identical with wild forms there. Both hybridise, too.
The box where are hybrids between plants with black stigma and others with black anthers or black connective only start blooming, they were crossed a year later. All parents collected near Akseki where I aspecially looked for such individuals.
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In this entry some of Crocus sieberi from Omalos plain seedlings (the first is this white giant). This year one of C. corsicus is of same size, too.
Then Crocus sublimis from Peloponess
and as last - first blooming of some possibly new from biflorus group which was collected as pulchellus in W Turkey - I can't to identify it at present, but it is first blooming of individuals collected in early spring, so they only started recovering from replanting in such time.
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Crocus Carpathian Wonder at AGS Loughborough show yesterday
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Beautiful displays Janis,a delight to see.
Some crocus in flower in Greece last week
Crocus oliveri
Crocus chrysanthus with a Galanthus graecus
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Crocus orphei previously reticulatus
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I have a small raised bed that has only one Crocus tomm in it. The very dark one but I cant remember the name. There are two very similar self sown seedlings flowering today
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Isn't that dark tommie 'Ruby Giant' ?
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Probably, Maggi
Janis your Crocus are amazing
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Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri Northern Greece last week.
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Crocus orphei Northern Greece last week.
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Tony and Melvyn, these are very nice images of some wonderful Greek Crocus!!!
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Nice shots Tony and Melvyn. These again from last week
Crocus chrysanthus
Crocus orphei
Crocus alexandri a dark form
C alexandri mixed forms including lightly stippled ones
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Crocus heaven in these pictures.
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To find what is true Crocus biflorus shortly ago I visited Italy. Here picture made by Filippo Dimatteo catching a moment when I try to select some from millions of flowers
The next is typical C. biflorus in Basilicata, Italy
Then returning to doubles - some double chrysanthus flower.
When I was much younger I saw mixed seeds of so named Crocus chrysanthus cultivars. One of best selections from those is Snow Crystall. When I offered it in catalogue - request was so large, that remained only smallest corms and this spring is the first nice blooming after some interruption.
The last is Crocus balansae - collected in Turkey, between Tavšanly and Inegol
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I'm not great "fan" of tommies but this seedling selected by John Grimshaw is fantastic.
Of course here started blooming of mine Carpathian Wonder and blooms
some seedling of it, too.
The last are former "albiflorus". The taxonomy of them changed dramatically but I hadn't time to study properly last papers. Now epithet albiflorus is aplied to that which earlier we named as vernus. Those two are selections from former "albiflorus".
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Janis: Very good portrait of you by Filippo Dimatteo - "rhapsody in blue"
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Finally we are getting a break from the sub zero ºF (-20º-30ºC) weather and since last Saturday we have had sunny days above freezing.
the frame was opened and within a few hours these were blooming Saturday March 6
C. leichtlinii
C. biflorus ssp. crewei JJA 034.1150 ex Turkey Denizli
C. sieberi Atticus "Amfiklia" CH 855
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Stunning pictures Janis!
I really love you're (vernus) albiflorus selection!
It must be such a pleasure to see 1000.... of crocusses in flower!
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The stones and gorse twigs seem to have deterred the voles so I was very pleased to see Crocus 'Shock Wave has survived. Crocus etruscus flowers were nipped off a couple of feet along the border so I used the hanging basket to thwart rabbits and deer.
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On the first - one of Crocus atrospermus aquisitions. This is from locus classicus, but by HKEP could be wider distributed and really several aquisitions, quite distant but from same region has black seeds (key feature of this species) although by flower looks something different and I even got reclamation from one customer, who supposed that he got wrong plant. Really even on locus classicus are growing side by side two different forms by flower colour - dark - pictured here and light. May be this light must be regarded as another species, but it bloomed for the first time with me only this spring, so I still didn't decide - what it is. There were no intermediates seen in wild. Last spring I revisited locality and saw only last flowers of dark form.
Then two seedlings of Crocus "chrysanthus" from near Akseki - both from my favourites, could be hybrids with some of "biflorus"as - both species are growing side by side.
And last two - Crocus simavensis from simav ridge. Basal rings of that has needle like tooth even longer than 10 mm. Nothing similar was seen between other biflorus.
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Janis, the vernus/former albiflorus on your last photo look very interesting - I have never seen such a coloured form, although I have seen millions of this species. Do you know their origin?
Last weekend was the first with temperatures above 10°C, and many plants have opened their flowers in my garden.
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- some selected pink tommies from my lawn, replanted in the rockgarden
- another shady bed with good tommies and an interesting heuffelianus in the background
- Crocus neglectus from Liguria
- Crocus alexandrii 'Major'
- Crocus variegatus from Italy - formerly named C. reticulatus - showing much variation
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Like in the last years I could find some interesting hybrids in my lawn and marked them for later replanting:
H1517 looks a bit like Dirk's 'Rainbow Gold'
H1507 has soft yellow tipps, which points for chrysanthus blood
Last photo shows my 2013 selections - note the small one in the right bottom :o
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General views of my lawn and two rockgardens:
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Oh, Hubi - photos to make any day a good day! Thank you!
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Thomas,
Stunning pictures , fantastic growing plants, congratulation.
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Your spring has definitely arrived Thomas. What a lovely sight the crocus lawn and rock gardens are.
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I got this one from the Bulb Exchange at the SRGC Discussion Weekend last October. It was labelled Crocus chrysanthus but I do not know if it is the species or a hybrid. Before it opened the outside was a fairly dark blue so I was surprised when the inside was such a strong yellow.
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Magical pictures Thomas! - I must read Janis' book much more closely to learn about so many of these crocus species that I know only from the Forum here.
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I got this one from the Bulb Exchange at the SRGC Discussion Weekend last October. It was labelled Crocus chrysanthus but I do not know if it is the species or a hybrid. Before it opened the outside was a fairly dark blue so I was surprised when the inside was such a strong yellow.
I have quite many plants with similar colour - blue + yellow. They all were collected wild where near Akseki met "chrysanthus" and "biflorus". They most likely are natural hybrids. How to name them? I don't know. Extreme alternative - to regard them as multicoloured species, but this really isn't the reply. Both are growing together but separated by blooming time, but most likely having same chromosome number they hybridize. See some of my entries this year.
But in your case I suppose that it is seedling from so named "C. chrysanthus cultivars", although I don't know any with so distinct combination of colours.
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From Parnass:
C. atticus ssp. sublimis in a friends garden?
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I got this one from the Bulb Exchange at the SRGC Discussion Weekend last October. It was labelled Crocus chrysanthus but I do not know if it is the species or a hybrid. Before it opened the outside was a fairly dark blue so I was surprised when the inside was such a strong yellow.
Roma, from the colour your plant looks like the cultivar chrysanthus 'Advance' http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138221#new (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138221#new)
But it might be a seedling from Advance because the shape of the flowers looks different - I also have a lot of similar looking plants in my lawn, growing around the original Advance plants.
Thanks Maggi, Franz, Cyril + Tim - always a pleasure :D Yesterday only 7°C, fog and rain, but today the sun is back
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Hello Thomas superb pictures and great also to see sunshine for the flowers to open. Cyril came to visit today and he fell in love with this crocus in my garden any ideas, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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I can really understand Cyril ;D
Looks like Dirk Schnabels heuffelianus 'Snow Princess'
maybe Dirk can confirm this... ?
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There was a label in the pot but none of us could decipher the exact wording. When I got home I checked Brian Mathew's book and realised it must be Crocus vernus v. leucorhyncus which is thought to be a variant of vernus subsp. vernus. Anybody grows this variety? My first thought was Crocus heuffelianus too, but then C. vernus and heuffelianus are close to each other.
This is my C. heuffelianus Snow Princess, flowering for the first time. It has more purple than pictures of Snow Princess I have seen, but in future years it may become more typical.
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Ian and Cyril,
This is really all 'Snow Princess'. This Crocus shows her colouring only optimally if the plant stands very wet, shady and cool. In the full sun the blossoms are smaller and not so nicely in colour and drawing.
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Some more Crocus in this days,
Cr. angustifolius 'Bronze Form'
jessoppiae
kosaninii
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Here started difficult period - sunny days followed by very cold nights. Development of crocuses this season is something strange. Some comes up later than usually. Only today came out C. thirkeanus (herbertii) shoots. C. gargaricus is in full bloom. Usually they flower +/- simultaneously. I was even afraid that I lost my C. thirkeanus. This year almost all C. cvijicii from Greece (deep yellow) are in full bloom, but C. cvijicii from Macedonia (FYROM) with creamy to whitish flowers still not show even noses and the same about white C. jablanicensis (but they are living).
Here started blooming of C. carpetanus. I shortly ago visited Portugal - short visit, only 5 days long (3 days of field work) and there I saw just Crocus carpetanus in full bloom and and by leaves saw clump forming C. clusii with prostrate leaves and individually growing C. salzmannii with erect leaves. So I can show you pictures of C. carpetanus from wild and quite surprising observations.
Typical Crocus carpetanus we saw at typical altitudes - 1150 - 1300 m (by B. Mathew - 1200 - 2300 m). It was growing on granitic soils, under mixed forest of pines and oaks, corms lying shallow in soil. Flowers were plain lilac or white without any striping on segments back. About other population on next entry.
edit by M to correct spelling : Crocus thirkeanus K.Koch
original publication details: Linnaea 21: 633 1848.
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Another crocus, by leaves identified as C. carpetanus, we found in light pinus forest and on lime-stone rocks at altitude only 600 m. Flowers much slender, always with more or less expressed dark stripe on back of segments. Corms positioned deep in soil and sometimes with prominent neck of corm tunics. Looks so different from typical carpetanus, that I'm something confused about naming - may be another new species?
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Ian and Cyril,
This is really all 'Snow Princess'. This Crocus shows her colouring only optimally if the plant stands very wet, shady and cool. In the full sun the blossoms are smaller and not so nicely in colour and drawing.
Thanks for the information Dirk . This is mine , wich means it is not on the right spot ?
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Greetings from Turkey to al Croconuts ........
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Here pictures of Crocus nubigena from several distant localities.
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Some nice crocuses from last days
Crocus albocoronatus - quite recently described species
Typical Crocus antalyensis from Saklikent not very far from Antalya
Crocus antalyensis is close to C. mouradii, separable by flower colour and seem that both hybridise. Here hybrid with another affinity - Crocus flavus. But I'm not certain about correct parentage (it is not my hybrid)
Crocus candidus is unique crocus where blooms even plants with one leaf. Quite uniform species - variation on outside of segments and in intensity of yellow shade in throat. This is one of best collected 36 km from Can in W Turkey
For more bright colour - one wild hybrid between "chrysanthus" and "biflorus" from near Akseki, Turkey
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The last my entry today.
The first is very unique form of Crocus olivieri found wild by Ibrahim who named it 'Albina'. It was found in locality where only C. olivieri is growing, so no hybridization with C. candidus happened.
Then Crocus orphei from Macedonia in Greece - grown up from seeds originally collected wild by Marcus Harvey from Australia
Another plant grown from Marcus seeds - Crocus sieberi from Omalos plain in Crete
Nice hybrid from Dirk - between veluchensis and cvijicii - named by him as 'Rainbow Gold'
And at very end another novelty from HKEP - Crocus yataganensis
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Hello, thanks all for information about Snow Princess it is very sure to like growing here as we have had so much rain hailstones recently I wonder how it manages to ever produce a flower, I am not a croconut but Snow Princess is very special,, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Thanks for the information Dirk . This is mine , wich means it is not on the right spot ?
Kris, i think the place is not optimal. Cool and wet for more contrast. Between melting snow is better. :) :D ;D
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Janis, nicely again to see Crocus 'Rainbow Gold'.
He has got yet a half-brother, Crocus veluchensis x thirkeanus (herbertii).
Unfortunately, to coldly for an open flower. :(
edit by M to correct spelling : Crocus thirkeanus K.Koch
original publication details: Linnaea 21: 633 1848.
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Crocus minimus 'Col de Bavella' enjoying the sunshine today - thank you Dirk! :)
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Isn't that white feathery style fantastic - an extra treat after the super outers. A great crocus ( well, I know they all are!)
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This will be my last Crocus of the season - one final 'hurrah'. A magic plant to go out on :)
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second attempt - Interesting Crocus alatavicus and flowers for the second year.
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A nice form Jan
Last few Crocus to flower.
Crocus 'Karin'
Crocus vernus 'Shock Wave'
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After a cold and rainy weekend the sun found its way back into my garden and some new flowers have opened:
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044 - Crocus versicolor with angustifolius Bronce in the background
046 - C. x leonidii Early Gold, flowering very reliable and increasing very well.
051 - Crocus malyi, from Croatia. Nice pure white flowers and very hardy here.
030 - A nice Crocus vernus hybrid, that I found in my lawn years ago
025 - Crocus etruscus, the true form from Tuscany/Italy
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020 - First Crocus versicolor flowering in my lawn, after I have sown many seeds over the years.
031 - Crocus neglectus, the new species from the vernus-group, found in Liguria/Italy
009 - Crocus variegatus from Slovenia, formerly named Crocus reticulatus but received its old name back last year
025 - Crocus heuffelianus collected in the Caucasus, looking like Carpathian Wonder, but with much stronger markings
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Hi!
Very much wonderful crocus here!
My garden is blooming...
Cr.chry `Blue Bird`
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w05y59usuxty8f.jpg)
Cr.`Yellow Gigant`with G.`Blonde Inge`
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w26krzhw9n039r.jpg)
Cr.vernus `Yalta`
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w2jk0f5vr26qvj.jpg)
Cr.vel.x.cv.`Regenbogen Gold`
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w4rirv76lu9z0v.jpg)
`Regenbogengold`, Cr.corsicus and Cr.reticulatus
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w70f27kq787lan.jpg)
also `Regenbogengold`with 2....
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w7hf53zj7dnszz.jpg)
no...3 blooms!!! Thanks, Dirk!!!
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0w7mw0lm9bz67pr.jpg)
Cr.vernus
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0wcbislrbpj5thr.jpg)
Cr.biflorus ssp. weldenii `Fairy`
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0wflw2e3l6i8vin.jpg)
Kind regards- Daniel
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After a cold and rainy weekend the sun found its way back into my garden and some new flowers have opened:
Great show Thomas , as always ...........
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020 - First Crocus versicolor flowering in my lawn, after I have sown many seeds over the years.
031 - Crocus neglectus, the new species from the vernus-group, found in Liguria/Italy
009 - Crocus variegatus from Slovenia, formerly named Crocus reticulatus but received its old name back last year
025 - Crocus heuffelianus collected in the Caucasus, looking like Carpathian Wonder, but with much stronger markings
The garden looks glorious, Thomas and that Crocus heuffelianus is a gem !
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Very nice Thomas! I really love the species neglectus! Do you cover it in summer?
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Thanks Kris and Luc.
No Ruben, they don't need cover. They are extremely hardy here and even have survived the bad blackfrost in 2012.
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Hello, thanks for all the great Crocus pictures might just become addicted, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Nice Crocis from all,
here the first flower from my cross:
Crocus scardicus x pelistericus
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Nice Crocis from all,
here the first flower from my cross:
Crocus scardicus x pelistericus
Fantastic Dirk , nice and special colour to . And hopefully more growable in our countrys then the true scardicus.
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Thanks Kris and Luc.
No Ruben, they don't need cover. They are extremely hardy here and even have survived the bad blackfrost in 2012.
After your disappointment with those losses to the black frost, it is extra special to see these stunning photos now, hubi . 8) 8) 8)
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Nice work, the baby is stunning :P
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Wonderful crocus show Thomas and Daniel. Remarkable Crocus scardicus x pelistericus hybrid Dirk, different to previous C. x gothoburgensis I have seen pictures of.
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Lovely one Dirk.
johnw
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Hello Cyril.
I am happy that you like them.
I was particularly delighted with the 3 flowers from the "Regenbogengold"- bulb
from Dirk.
Ciao- Daniel
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some crocus when we had sun last week.
Crocus abantensis - in open garden they do better there.
Crocus biflorus- in frame open to weather
Crocus pestalozzae- in frame open to weather
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Glad to see the snow is gone, Rimmer - and also to see you featuring in PK's blog in advance of the NARGS Study event - http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/michigan-impossible.html (http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/michigan-impossible.html) 8)
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the last 2 in flower for this spring:
A nice combination of black and white
Crocus minimus 'Col De Bavella'
Crocus veluchiensis 'Alba'
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one of the last here,
Crocus scardicus :D