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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Shadylanejewel on February 26, 2015, 03:23:29 AM
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Any day now!
Trillium kurabayashii (photo from February 17, 2015)
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Julie that looks very good. Here in Belgium it is still too cold, the trilliums are growing very slowly. I expect that Trillium nivale will be the first.
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Same here Herman my Trillium kurabayashii are barely above ground. Things should soon get moving though.
Your trillium looks really good Julie. Do you have any others to show us?
Mike
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Any day now!
Trillium kurabayashii
How good do they look? The way the marbled foliage wraps around the bud so protectively - yummy, really!
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No sign of mine yet- guess the meter of snow overtop the bed is discouraging them! ;D
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The sun was shining and a very pleasant scent was in the air!
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The sun was shining and a very pleasant scent was in the air!
Very nice Julie! What kind of a sent has it?
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I noticed my pots of Trillium kurabayashii 2013 Trillium-L seed has really germinated this last few days. I left some of the pots outside in a cold frame but brought others into the frost free greenhouse about a month ago when I first noticed the start of a shoot. Those left in the cold frame seem to have germinated best, although not checked which had most seed in.
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Very nice Julie! What kind of a sent has it?
Thank you Herman. They smell fruity - not any particular fruit but very distinctive.
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I noticed my pots of Trillium kurabayashii 2013 Trillium-L seed has really germinated this last few days. I left some of the pots outside in a cold frame but brought others into the frost free greenhouse about a month ago when I first noticed the start of a shoot. Those left in the cold frame seem to have germinated best, although not checked which had most seed in.
Congratulations Brian! :D
Photo taken 2/19/15 is of 2014 seed sown last fall in baggies of vermiculite/perlite mix. Took a few out of the bag to check on progress - radicles showing. I usually just put the seed in pots, cover with grit and put them outside.
Currently have hundreds of seedling of various ages. Any with three leaves are getting planted out in the garden this year (at least that's my goal).
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This was our most successful trillium. Seed from Cluny germinated really quickly and we had large saleable plants within three years. Be interesting to see if they are still thriving at Kerrachar when we go up in May.
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This was our most successful trillium. Seed from Cluny germinated really quickly and we had large saleable plants within three years. Be interesting to see if they are still thriving at Kerrachar when we go up in May.
That is amazing! I've been growing them for years and never had a "large saleable plant" in three years.
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It is now good weather and the first Trillium will start to flower: Trillium nivale. He is a week later then previous year.
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Lovely fat buds, Herman - on perhaps the most beautiful trillium..... :)
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This was our most successful trillium. Seed from Cluny germinated really quickly and we had large saleable plants within three years.
Are you sure it was Trillium kurabayashii? Could it not have been T. chloropetalum var. giganteum?
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Trillium nivale is in flower here too - but protected in the greenhouse! I'll be getting the paintbrush out to pollinate it - it would be nice to have enough to try it in the open garden.
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Still no flowers on my two from seed planted in 2008. :'(
Maybe next year!
I do have a few more seedlings from seed planted in 2013 but they're at the single leaf stage.
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Fairly confident of the identification. I'll see if I can dig out an image for others to pass judgement.
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From Peter K. : " a picture of what we grew as Trillium kurabayashi. (There was a query that we had such rapid growth of this species - the plant shown would have been in its fourth season). I tend to accept John Mattingley's identification (Plants were raised from seed from Cluny) but it would be good to have members' opinions."
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Trillium kurabayashi
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From Peter K. : " a picture of what we grew as Trillium kurabayashi. (There was a query that we had such rapid growth of this species - the plant shown would have been in its fourth season). I tend to accept John Mattingley's identification (Plants were raised from seed from Cluny) but it would be good to have members' opinions."
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Trillium kurabayashi
You need to have a picture from the ovary or from a berry from previous year.
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What are the distinguishing features Herman?
I struggle to tell TT. kurabayashii & chloropetalum apart.
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What are the distinguishing features Herman?
I struggle to tell TT. kurabayashii & chloropetalum apart.
Ashley have you seen the pdf that I have made? http://www.gentians.be/index.php?page=exchange (http://www.gentians.be/index.php?page=exchange) and download plants for exchange.
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I use my nose to identify Trillium kurabayashii. In my garden, a T. chloropetalum flower has a pleasant scent, while a T. kurabayashii flower has a chemical smell like turpentine.
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Trillium nivale, 7 days later.
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Very lovely, Herman- if you ever have a few seeds to spare, I would be most grateful to have some!
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Very lovely, Herman- if you ever have a few seeds to spare, I would be most grateful to have some!
If there will be seeds I will think about you. In the past seedsetting was not very good.
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Thank you , Herman - even a slight chance is most welcome.
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Ashley have you seen the pdf that I have made? http://www.gentians.be/index.php?page=exchange (http://www.gentians.be/index.php?page=exchange) and download plants for exchange.
I use my nose to identify Trillium kurabayashii. In my garden, a T. chloropetalum flower has a pleasant scent, while a T. kurabayashii flower has a chemical smell like turpentine.
Thanks Herman and Claire. Very helpful :)
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Nearly time for Susie Egan's Trillium Tea......
"This year we picked a pink Trillium chloropetalum for Cottage Lake Gardens 2015 Trillium Tea, Talk & Tour poster. Another wonderful creation by Catherine James. We'll have posters, note cards and mugs available soon with this beautiful artwork.
Susie Egan "
Cottage Lake Gardens (http://www.cottagelakegardens.com)
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"2015 Trillium Tea, Talk & Tours: These tours are scheduled during the trillium blooming season (usually from mid April to mid May) on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays from 10 am to 1:00 pm. Cottage Lake Gardens provides tea, coffee and light refreshments (usually assorted pastries and fruit) served on vintage trillium china.
Each tea, talk & tour is limited to a maximum of 20 guests and can be purchased on an individual basis. "
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Nice nivale Herman. You are ahead of me mine is only just coming into flower
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How beautiful T.nivale!
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Nice nivale Herman. You are ahead of me mine is only just coming into flower
Ian yours is also nice. I have another group in more shade and that one is also later.
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How beautiful T.nivale!
Ian yours is also nice. I have another group in more shade and that one is also later.
Thank you Leena and Herman
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Trillium rivale puts on quite a show both in the garden and in pots. Here is a brief sample.
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Trillium chloropetalum has been in full bloom for quite a while and is floppy from all the rain we've had.
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Trillium cuneatum stands up a little better.
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Trillium pusillum is still emerging, while Trillium albidum is just starting.
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Very nice Trilliums Claire, here it is only nivale that has flowers.
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Trillium rivale puts on quite a show both in the garden and in pots. Here is a brief sample.
Hi Claire
I was looking only today at the Trillium rivale seedlings from your 2013 seed. Not sure how long they will take to get to the size of a heaving pot of the T. r. "Purple Heart" (type) that I also have emerging from the soil.
This species increases readily when well grown. Unfortunately it can disappear almost as quickly when things go wrong. This current pot are plants that I passed on to a friend and was then able to get some back a year or two later after a disaster.
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Hi Claire
I was looking only today at the Trillium rivale seedlings from your 2013 seed.
I have also seedlings from seeds from Claire (thank you again!), they are still in pot and I was thinking about planting them in the ground this spring, but what would be the best place for them? Similar fertile well drained place as with other trilliums, or can they tolerate dryer conditions? Perhaps planting them in the edge of a bed because they are small?
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I have also seedlings from seeds from Claire (thank you again!), they are still in pot and I was thinking about planting them in the ground this spring, but what would be the best place for them? Similar fertile well drained place as with other trilliums, or can they tolerate dryer conditions? Perhaps planting them in the edge of a bed because they are small?
Leena, mine grows in a rockgarden in the shade, so they can tolerate dryer conditions (in shade). Have you read "BULB LOG 14.........................4th April 2012", it is all about rivale.
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Link to Bulb Log 14 of 2012 :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Apr071333805458BULB_LOG__1412.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Apr071333805458BULB_LOG__1412.pdf) 8)
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Leena, mine grows in a rockgarden in the shade, so they can tolerate dryer conditions (in shade). Have you read "BULB LOG 14.........................4th April 2012", it is all about rivale.
Thank you Herman and Maggi for the link. I read that bulb log I remember reading it also earlier, and perhaps that was why I had thought that I could plant them in my dryish shade bed, which is good for early spring plants. Ian's plants between the rocks is very inspiring.
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Thanks for the link Maggi, very interesting.
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While many of you are enjoying mid-late May blooming trillium, we are just beginning our season with the snow trillium.
This is the "Indiana form" given to me by Fred Case several years ago. I have seen this same wide petal form in Ohio growing in a ravine on moss covered limestone boulders.
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Nice T. rivale colours, Claire :D
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Thanks for the Bulb Log link, Maggi. Amazing what variety you get from seed.
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I've just this minute been outside looking at some Trillium rivale plants.... here are a few snaps ....
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and a few more
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and a couple more !
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so cute ! especially the purple spotted one :D
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Thanks Nicole. I love them all- they are such sturdy little things. I was disappointed that the pale pink colour on some does not show in the pictures.
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A few? Looks like you got a but trigger happy on the shutter button, Maggi! :D Can't blame you though, when you have so many good looking babies out there. T.rivale is the best of them all.
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Trillium rivale
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amazing flower, Michael :)
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I love the speckles on your T rivale, Michael.
Here's a pot of mine, sown from the seed ex in Jan 2011 and now flowering for the first time. I felt quite pleased with myself, till a friend told me her 2012 sowing is already in flower. Anyone beat that?
Also, two photos of Trillium hibbersonii, the second picture is rather fuzzy, but shows a 4-petalled flower.
A nice clump of Trillium chloropetalum, surrounded by hundreds of seedlings.
And finally, Trillium grandiflorum, just starting (at least, I got it as T grandiflorum, but I can't see any difference between this and ovatum. Can anyone help?
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After a week's holiday. Following Trillium start to flower: Trillium ovatum (OBW79), Trillium pusillum var. pusillum (OBT131), Trillium camschaticum (OBR51), Trillium angustipetalum (OBW87) and Trillium rivale (LG)
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Trillium cuneatum (H19), Trillium cuneatum (OBR98) and Trillium albidum (Z119)
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Trillium decumbens
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7584/16527537674_6cac2f32e1_o.jpg)
Overhead image taken after work, not the best of photographs!
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This Trillium nivale (H53) is flowering a month later then Trillium nivale (H86) because it stands in full shade
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This Trillium nivale (H53) is flowering a month later then Trillium nivale (H86) because it stands in full shade
Makes the pleasure longer, Herman!
You have a super collection.
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Maggi you have beautiful form's of rivale.
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Makes the pleasure longer, Herman!
You have a super collection.
Thank you Maggi, a lot of flowers still need to come during next weeks.
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Trillium decumbens
Overhead image taken after work, not the best of photographs!
Steve, very nice plant, I have this year no flower on Trillium decumbens.
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Maggi you have beautiful form's of rivale.
Thank you, Herman! We have raised many from seed - such charming little plants.
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Thank you, Herman! We have raised many from seed - such charming little plants.
Maggi, the seedlings that grows in our garden are always more white, never deep pink.
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We had 'Purple Heart' from long ago and so we have those genes in the mix.
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My Trillium rivale coming into flower at the end of March. The small patch in the garden (same clone) is starting to flower now. I have a potful of seedlings coming on so when they reach flowering size it will be interesting to see if there is any variation from a single clone.
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Trillium parviflorum (Z14), Trillium albidum (Z51) and Trillium tschonoskii ssp. himalaicum
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Roma our Trillium rivale is about as far on as yours. Kurabayashii is still going great guns. In fact when Brian is carrying it into shows I am reminded of that quote from the Scottish play about Dunsinane Wood on the move.
I had more or less written off T. luteum but it has come through today, obviously waiting for the warmer weather. T. pusillim just going over, and a very small pot of T. albidum (4 flowers) looking great.
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I have some flowers on my pot of Trillium rivale with odd petals that are much lighter and less spotted than the rest, on that flower. Some with just 1 petal lighter and another with 2. It was originally given to me as ex Purple Heart, and as far as I know there should be no seedlings in this pot, but odd petals, not the whole flower lighter.
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This one seems a little lighter in colour this year. Although it produces many seedlings unfortunately non are as pink as Mom
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This one seems a little lighter in colour this year. Although it produces many seedlings unfortunately non are as pink as Mom
Ian, yours is darker pink than mine.
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Trillium erectum (OBR67), Trillium flexipes (OBR88), Trillium flexipes 'Susquehanna' (OBT15), Trillium foetidissimum (OBT87) and Trillium grandiflorum 'Snow bunting' (OBW66)
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Trillium kurabayashii (BM12), Trillium luteum (OBT7) and Trillium simile (OBT107)
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Herman,
What do the flowers of your simile smell like? Wet dog I bet from the shape of those flowers. If so, it is erectum in the white flowered form which is very common in the southern Appalachians and is mostly called simile. I think the true range of simile is far smaller than reported by Case and Case or Jacobs. My experience is that it follows the amphibolite geology from northeast Georgia into South Carolina and North Carolina. I don't think it occurs in Tennessee at all.
All that said, simile should have a sweet fragrance that J.K. Small likened to green apples.
Aaron
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Trillium from my garden, blooms now.
1: Trillium chloropetalum volcano
2: Trillium pusillum
3: Trillium cuneatum
4:Trillium erectum hybrid
5: Trillium albidum
Thorkild DK.
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Ian, yours is darker pink than mine.
Herman thank you.
I think this is the Gothenberg form and for me it is quite deep in colour and even deeper before it opens and I showed a photo shown a couple of years ago here of it emerging
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8320.msg244136#msg244136 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8320.msg244136#msg244136)
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Trillium grandiflorum roseum variations are briefly talked about in this "mixed planting" video supplement to the Bulb Log from Ian Young ( http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12953.msg330788#msg330788 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12953.msg330788#msg330788))
Bulb Log video diary supplement mixed planting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwta1FjTNY0#ws)
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Herman,
What do the flowers of your simile smell like? Wet dog I bet from the shape of those flowers. If so, it is erectum in the white flowered form which is very common in the southern Appalachians and is mostly called simile. I think the true range of simile is far smaller than reported by Case and Case or Jacobs. My experience is that it follows the amphibolite geology from northeast Georgia into South Carolina and North Carolina. I don't think it occurs in Tennessee at all.
All that said, simile should have a sweet fragrance that J.K. Small likened to green apples.
Aaron
Aaron, I have smelled at the Trillium simile, it is not the same smell as Trillium erectum. The plant original came from the late Kate Dryden (Manavilins Engeland). I have added a berry from previous year.
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Trillium from my garden, blooms now.
1: Trillium chloropetalum volcano
2: Trillium pusillum
3: Trillium cuneatum
4:Trillium erectum hybrid
5: Trillium albidum
Thorkild DK.
Very nice Trillium's Thorkild, especially the chloropetalum volcano.
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So beautiful Trilliums you all have. :)
Here my few are still in bud, and like last year T.luteum has not come up yet, but now I'm more patient with it as it was so late also last year.
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Finally managing to get some Trilliums established here: Trillium erectum.
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Today a discovery between my Trillium grandiflorum. It is a self sowing plant.
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Most of mine in full flower here. This one is T grandiflorum a very old specimen that has begun to seed only now I have other clones
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Most of mine in full flower here. This one is T grandiflorum a very old specimen that has begun to seed only now I have other clones
Ian, it is a real beauty
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Wonderful clump of T.grandiflorum, Ian. :)
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Wonderful clump of T.grandiflorum, Ian. :)
Ian, it is a real beauty
Herman and Leena thank you :)
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A few other Trilliums: Trillium lancifolium (OBS6), Trillium recurvatum (CB39), Trillium rugelii (BM8), Trillium vaseyi (OBS25) and Trillium grandiflorum 'Flore Plenum' (OBW104).
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Trillium grandiflorum 'Flore Plenum' (OBW104) and Trillium grandiflorum 'Snow Bunting'.
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A few other Trilliums: Trillium lancifolium (OBS6), Trillium recurvatum (CB39), Trillium rugelii (BM8), Trillium vaseyi (OBS25) and Trillium grandiflorum 'Flore Plenum' (OBW104).
Herman you have a nice collection
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Herman you have a nice collection
Thank you Ian, but there are still a lot that I am looking after to complete my collection (wild forms).
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some Trillium in bloom now
Trillium cuneatum yellow
Trillium leutum
Trillium discolor- NC
Trillium grandiflorum double
Trillium flexipes? sulcatum
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Rimmer, very nice Trilliums.
The yellow cuneatum does it smell like banana? Luteum smells like lemon.
IMG_9743 seems to be more sulcatum (smell like mushroom) then flexipes.
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Rimmer, very nice Trilliums.
The yellow cuneatum does it smell like banana? Luteum smells like lemon.
IMG_9743 seems to be more sulcatum (smell like mushroom) then flexipes.
i wil find someone to determine the smell
thanks on the ID correction
both the double grandiflorum and the sulcatum were given to me as a dormant pot of Trillium stamineum. so a nice surprise!
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A few weeds have started to flower.......... ;)
Trillium nivale and close up.
I love how a number of the eastern species ,(in this case T. cuneatum), have such a dark foliage earlier on.
Finally a Trillium of garden origin which I suspect has some T. kurabayshii blood, just needing some warmth to open. .
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I love how a number of the eastern species ,(in this case T. cuneatum), have such a dark foliage earlier on.
It's a very attractive feature, isn't it? I've wondered if it's to help camouflage the emerging shoots to protect them from grazing?
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It's a very attractive feature, isn't it? I've wondered if it's to help camouflage the emerging shoots to protect them from grazing?
Maybe so Maggi . :-\ Natures wonderful isn't it .
The Trillium season here is starting to take off in earnest.
Plain leafed T. kurabayashii and close up
T. angustipetalum with its long narrow petals.
A Trillium of garden origin that I think has some T. kurabayashii blood, that I posted earlier above, now further advanced in flower .
A youngster raised as T. maculatum with yummy foliage just needing a few more days of warmth to open.
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Some Trillium rivale .
A large petaled T. rivale in the sand crevice bed .You can just make out the foliage of a Saxifraga which I mistakenly planted in the same spot .... >:(.
Pink T. rivale in a trough surrounded by vegetation .From the size of the Trillium I think it needs feeding .
Again in the crevice sand bed the first flowering of a small patch of a nice T. rivale with dark markings on the leaves, raised from the NZTG seedex .
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Very nice Trilliums Dave. Here it is waiting till spring in 2016 to see the Trilliums again.
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Some Trillium rivale .
A large petaled T. rivale in the sand crevice bed .You can just make out the foliage of a Saxifraga which I mistakenly planted in the same spot .... >:(.
Pink T. rivale in a trough surrounded by vegetation .From the size of the Trillium I think it needs feeding .
Again in the crevice sand bed the first flowering of a small patch of a nice T. rivale with dark markings on the leaves, raised from the NZTG seedex .
Fabulous photos Toolie, great to see them
Mel
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Thanks Mel
Heaps yet to bloom.
Very nice Trilliums Dave. Here it is waiting till spring in 2016 to see the Trilliums again.
Thanks Herman
I've seen your various impressive clumps of Trilliums on the VRV Forum .You appear to grow far more species then I do.
Cheers Dave.
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Thanks Mel
Heaps yet to bloom.
Thanks Herman
I've seen your various impressive clumps of Trilliums on the VRV Forum .You appear to grow far more species then I do.
Cheers Dave.
Dave, at the moment there about 35 sp in our garden. It seems to me that you also have a big collection.
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For new readers who are not aware of the "VRV" - this is the Vlaamse Rotsplanten Vereniging - the Flemish Rock Garden Association - a sister organisation to the SRGC which hosts a very similar forum - why not check it out?
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php (http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php)
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Thanks Maggi.
Some more Western Trilliums out today.
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Trillium maculatum hybrid in the new woodland garden.
First flowering of a yummy seedling raised as T. chloropetalum yellow .
Cheers Dave.
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Trilliums in the garden today .....
Cheers Dave.
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Very nice Dave!
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Very nice Dave!
Thank you Herman.
Some more.........
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Beautiful Dave!
Are that all hybrids. It seems to me that you have a very big garden.
Here I am waiting for the seeds from Trillium-L.
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Wonderful trillium garden, Dave. :)
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Wonderful trillium garden, Dave. :)
Thanks Leena .
Beautiful Dave!
Are that all hybrids. It seems to me that you have a very big garden.
Here I am waiting for the seeds from Trillium-L.
Hello Herman
Thank you as well.
It's just a small garden however heavily planted ....
The 2nd photo above ,(sr2), is a clump of T. chloropetalum .
The others are seedlings and as I grow quite a number of 'compatible' species close together I suspect they may have some hybrid blood in them.
My Trillium-L seeds arrived this morning and have been sown including some of the seeds you donated ! :D
More...
A yummy coloured Trillium raised from 'home' T. erectum seed.
T. chloropetalum with a white base .I've seen references that suggest plants like these when found in the wild are hybrids with T albidum.....
T. ludovicianum .
A division I took last year at this time of T. grandiflorum ,flowering in one of the new 'lawn' beds.
Cheers Dave.
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Lovely pictures Dave. The post to New Zealand is faster then the post to Belgium. I am still waiting for seeds.
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Lovely pictures Dave. The post to New Zealand is faster then the post to Belgium. I am still waiting for seeds.
Must be uphill all the way to Belgium.... ;) ;) ;D
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Trillium's still going strong .Pics taken this arvo.
Trillium chloropetalum view.
Trillium erectum --either colour breaks or hybrids.
The last last two pics show a plant that I received with stems ,(both flowering ),in 2013 or 2012.It has currently 9 flowering stems so has increased very well ...
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Trillium erectum luteum clumps.
Various coloured T.sulcatum as well as T. flexipes.
T. sulcatum red .
Trillium grandiflorum 'Floro Pleno ' clumps.
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How lovely colours! My favourite view was the one with yellow Trillium (what was that?) in the front, but also picotee edge pinks are wonderful.
I have been wondering why my Trilliums don't develop seed pods at all (T.chloropetalum, kurabayashii, luteum and grandiflorum). They are young plants, most planted only two or three years ago, but they have flowered well, and there hasn't been frost at the flowering time, not at least last spring there wasn't. Perhaps I would need to have several plants for them to cross pollinate? Or is it just a matter of maturity, and once they are mature enough I will get seeds from my own plants?
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Trillium's still going strong .Pics taken this arvo.
Dave very beautiful pictures. It seems to me that you have good soil for Trilliums! They look very healthy.
At this moment I don't have the Trillium seeds yet. A week ago they were in a customhouse in Belgium, they asked me for an invoice. I said to them it is exchanging, I hope I will get them next week, another person in Belgium had no problems.
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How lovely colours! My favourite view was the one with yellow Trillium (what was that?) in the front, but also picotee edge pinks are wonderful.
I have been wondering why my Trilliums don't develop seed pods at all (T.chloropetalum, kurabayashii, luteum and grandiflorum). They are young plants, most planted only two or three years ago, but they have flowered well, and there hasn't been frost at the flowering time, not at least last spring there wasn't. Perhaps I would need to have several plants for them to cross pollinate? Or is it just a matter of maturity, and once they are mature enough I will get seeds from my own plants?
Leena, here the seed setting was less then previous year, probably because of dryness.
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I hope it is also the circumstances why mine haven't set seeds so far. :)
Trilliums are so lovely plants and that's why I would like to grow more of them and hope to get fresh seeds from my own plants someday.
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How lovely colours! My favourite view was the one with yellow Trillium (what was that?) in the front, but also picotee edge pinks are wonderful.
Thank you Leena
I've gone back above and named my pictures as best I could .
The difficulty in identifying some is that they could either be just colour breaks of a species or in fact hybrids ......
Dave very beautiful pictures. It seems to me that you have good soil for Trilliums! They look very healthy.
At this moment I don't have the Trillium seeds yet. A week ago they were in a customhouse in Belgium, they asked me for an invoice. I said to them it is exchanging, I hope I will get them next week, another person in Belgium had no problems.
Thank you Herman
You only see the healthy ones buddy ....... ;D ;)
While it was a 'normal' seed set in our local area last season with heaps of seed harvested I understand other areas of NZ were affected by the dry conditions .As an aside although I've never 'played around' I've been advised hand pollinating increases the volume of seed set ......
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Trillium stamineum in the garden yesterday.
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T. rugelii x vaseyi
A wonderful large flower about 3 times bigger than the type T. rugelii .
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Nice one ,t00lie - oh, you posted again just as I did - I was talking about the T. stamineum - but the rugelli x vaseyi is nice too!
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Thanks Maggi
Well into the season here now with only number of T vaseyii and its hybrids to open.
I know Ger van den Beuken has 'appeared' in Scotland previously....Here's a shot from last weekends NZ Trillium Group get together showing how relaxing the event can be ..... ;D
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Yes, Ger and Mariet are SRGC members and well-known here - bit worried about him rolling down that slope!
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There was a fence about half way down so he wouldn't have rolled far ....... :o ;)
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Trillium stamineum in the garden yesterday.
I'am just back from a holliday in Toscany in Italy.
Dave beautiful picture from T. stamineum. In our garden the clump of stamineum is very slow growing.
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I'am just back from a holliday in Toscany in Italy.
Dave beautiful picture from T. stamineum. In our garden the clump of stamineum is very slow growing.
Thanks Herman
Not sure how quickly T.stamineum will increase here as the plant shown was a recent gift from a friend ,although I have a potful of 2nd year seedlings around here somewhere :-\ that were easy enough to raise from seed.
Some late Trilliums from this arvo ..
T. cuneatum yellow where the dark markings remain on the leaves for such a long time.
Another T. vaseyii picotee hybrid .
Large flowers of Trillium erectum x flexipes with lovely veining .
T. erectum hybrid .
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Thanks Herman
Not sure how quickly T.stamineum will increase here as the plant shown was a recent gift from a friend ,although I have a potful of 2nd year seedlings around here somewhere :-\ that were easy enough to raise from seed.
Some late Trilliums from this arvo ..
T. cuneatum yellow where the dark markings remain on the leaves for such a long time.
Another T. vaseyii picotee hybrid .
Large flowers of Trillium erectum x flexipes with lovely veining .
T. erectum hybrid .
Hi Dave, does your Trillium cuneatum yellow smells like banana?
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Hi Dave, does your Trillium cuneatum yellow smells like banana?
No Herman, just a faint spicy ? fragrance like some of my other T. cuneatums .
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No Herman, just a faint spicy ? fragrance like some of my other T. cuneatums .
Dave I asked it because different species have different scent. Like the Trillium luteum has a nice lemon scent. So your yellow cuneatum has no luteum blood.
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Dave I asked it because different species have different scent. Like the Trillium luteum has a nice lemon scent. So your yellow cuneatum has no luteum blood.
Hello Herman
Thank you for your comments .Yes I knew that scent can in some instances be a help in identifying species.
Interestingly,(or confusingly ::) ;D ) , I looked today at the label beside the yellow T.cuneatum and see that it is recorded as T. cuneatum x luteum .....
Cheers Dave.
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Some of the last Trilliums from yesterday .
Variations in T. vaseyi ...
First one is what I call a typical form with very wide petals.
Followed by this yummy one --unfortunately my shot doesn't do justice to the almost chocolate coloured tone.
The third plant where I've lifted the flowers above the foliage to enable a better shot of the flowers.
Finally one of my seedling T. sulcatums ,yellow with pink undertones.
Cheers Dave.
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Some of the last Trilliums from yesterday .
Variations in T. vaseyii ...
First one is what I call a typical form with very wide petals.
Followed by this yummy one --unfortunately my shot doesn't do justice to the almost chocolate coloured tone.
The third plant where I've lifted the flowers above the foliage to enable a better shot of the flowers.
Finally one of my seedling T. sulcatums ,yellow with pink undertones.
Cheers Dave.
Hi Dave, maybe the Trilliums on pictures S0 and S3 have some rugelii blood.
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Hi Dave, maybe the Trilliums on pictures S0 and S3 have some rugelii blood.
Hello Herman
I've not seen the variability of T .vaseyi in the wild however the seed was sent to me as T . vaseyi .....
What makes you think they may have some T. rugelii blood ?.
Cheers Dave.
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Hello Herman
I've not seen the variability of T .vaseyi in the wild however the seed was sent to me as T . vaseyi .....
What makes you think they may have some T. rugelii blood ?.
Cheers Dave.
Hello Dave
The shape and colour of the stamens reminds me at rugelii.
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I have for years seen after other forms of Trillium grandiflorum flora plena and I have interest in information about what is found and is still alive. I know Carl Denton's cultivar list, but think some on the list unfortunately is lost. Trillium grandiflorum flora plena (I think it is 'Smith's Double' and 'Snow bunting' is quite well known and can be purchased at nurseries. But is there other forms or cultivars in gardens?
In my garden I have a few unnamed and seven with names:
grandiflorum flora plena (Smith's double)
grandiflorum "Snow bunting"
grandiflorum "Bressingham"
grandiflorum "Otis Bigalow"
Found by Otis Bigelow’ in the 1930’s It got a enormous flower.
grandiflorum "Jenny Rhodes"
Found by Mr Frank Rhodes in 1971.
grandiflorum "Rakestraw double"
Don't know much about this cultivar as have a very big flower.
grandiflorum "Elkins Form"
I know tgere is a green double named as Elgin form and it is because it come from Elgin, Illinois. I also know Tage Lundell named a green double after his friend Harry Elkins. My "Elkin's Form" is white and I know Fred Case got it from Harry Elkin and I think Fred Case gave it the name "Elkin's Form" only because so he could remember where he got it from.
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Trillium grandiflorum "Rakestraw's Double"
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I have for years seen after other forms of Trillium grandiflorum flora plena and I have interest in information about what is found and is still alive. I know Carl Denton's cultivar list, but think some on the list unfortunately is lost. Trillium grandiflorum flora plena (I think it is 'Smith's Double' and 'Snow bunting' is quite well known and can be purchased at nurseries. But is there other forms or cultivars in gardens?
In my garden I have a few unnamed and seven with names:
grandiflorum flora plena (Smith's double)
grandiflorum "Snow bunting"
grandiflorum "Bressingham"
grandiflorum "Otis Bigalow"
Found by Otis Bigelow’ in the 1930’s It got a enormous flower.
grandiflorum "Jenny Rhodes"
Found by Mr Frank Rhodes in 1971.
grandiflorum "Rakestraw double"
Don't know much about this cultivar as have a very big flower.
grandiflorum "Elkins Form"
I know tgere is a green double named as Elgin form and it is because it come from Elgin, Illinois. I also know Tage Lundell named a green double after his friend Harry Elkins. My "Elkin's Form" is white and I know Fred Case got it from Harry Elkin and I think Fred Case gave it the name "Elkin's Form" only because so he could remember where he got it from.
Hi Karl, you have a very nice collection of double grandiflorum. I think that I have still an other form Trillium grandiflorum 'Flore Plenum' from Simon Bond Thuja Alpines 1999
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I bought T. g. 'flora Plena' around 1985 at a Chelsea Flower Show from Bressingham's. Still have it and many divisions some distributed. A very vigorous form. Jenny Rhodes I bought some years ago. Tried to flower once then it died. Not seen it since.
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For me "Jenny Rhodes" grow very slowly. Herman it look diffrent, did it have a name?
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For me "Jenny Rhodes" grow very slowly. Herman it look diffrent, did it have a name?
Karl, the name is only 'Flore Plenum'
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One I got from a friend as told me it come from seeds in his garden, I named it "Peters half double" and 3 unnamed.
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One I got from a friend as told me it come from seeds in his garden, I named it "Peters half double" and 3 unnamed.
Karl, name or not, the doubles are very beautiful. This year I had a semi double in the garden, I hope he will come back next year to use the pollen to pollinate a pink form. This year the pink form was already pollinated.
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Have you hear about T.grandiflorum 'Silver Jubilee' raised and named by Kath Dryden ?
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Have you hear about T.grandiflorum 'Silver Jubilee' raised and named by Kath Dryden ?
No Karl, except your question on trillium-L.
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I have for years seen after other forms of Trillium grandiflorum flora plena and I have interest in information about what is found and is still alive.
In my garden I have a few unnamed and seven with names:
Wonderful Karl that you have that many doubles .....
This year I had a semi double in the garden, I hope he will come back next year to use the pollen to pollinate a pink form. This year the pink form was already pollinated.
Were all the flowers on the plant semi double Herman ?.
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Just a few Trilliums are still in flower here however my recent efforts have been to divide a number of clumps which meant sacrificing seed heads that were forming on the individual potted up divisions , repot a number of seedlings of various ages and then pot on about 100 young seedlings that appeared above ground with cotyledon growth this season .....
There will a short pause for a few days until I can purchase more plastic labels and pots.... :)
It's interesting comparing individual seedlings ...some have well advanced new roots while others in the same pot aren't so far on .It's also fun to compare pots of different species/hybrids.
Pic showing some of the current 590 pots .I'm just over half way and have 1000 pots before the end of January as a cut off point .
Pencil /cotyledon rhizome comparison T. chloro on the left ----T .vaseyi hybrid on the right.
Divots to be finished ,seedlings settled and pots watered .....
Umm hopefully there is a market out there for them next year .... ;D
More later ...
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Gorgeous double forms of T. grandiflorum! I hope to find one someday. Meanwhile, I am looking for an answer regarding the green variants.
I found this spring a few nice looking, vigorous and healthy. They are called ‘aberrant’ and they are infected (supposedly); the saying goes that they will deteriorate in time (?).
I have seen many truly aberrant green Trillium grandiflorum but those usually look badly very early on.
I would be very interested to know if anyone grows or has/had propagated such forms? (not necessarily of T. grandiflorum). Thanks in advance.
This is my green variant#3
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Wonderful Karl that you have that many doubles .....
Were all the flowers on the plant semi double Herman ?.
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Dave the plant was between a lot of other grandiflorum in the garden. It was one single flower.
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Dave the plant was between a lot of other grandiflorum in the garden. It was one single flower.
Thank you Herman -Fingers crossed it returns as a semi double your next season.
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Just a few Trilliums are still in flower here however my recent efforts have been to divide a number of clumps which meant sacrificing seed heads that were forming on the individual potted up divisions , repot a number of seedlings of various ages and then pot on about 100 young seedlings that appeared above ground with cotyledon growth this season .....
There will a short pause for a few days until I can purchase more plastic labels and pots.... :)
It's interesting comparing individual seedlings ...some have well advanced new roots while others in the same pot aren't so far on .It's also fun to compare pots of different species/hybrids.
Pic showing some of the current 590 pots .I'm just over half way and have 1000 pots before the end of January as a cut off point .
Pencil /cotyledon rhizome comparison T. chloro on the left ----T .vaseyi hybrid on the right.
Divots to be finished ,seedlings settled and pots watered .....
Umm hopefully there is a market out there for them next year .... ;D
More later ...
Dave, 590 pots, that is a lot! At the moment I have 40 pots (sowing previous year together with this year). I use bigger pots, the seedlings will stay there for a few years, depending how quick they grow. It is much easier then transplanting in small pots.
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Trillium rivale seed germinating today, we don't have winter here
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Trillium rivale seed germinating today, we don't have winter here
Michael, when did you have sown them? Today it is here 15°C!
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Gorgeous double forms of T. grandiflorum! I hope to find one someday. Meanwhile, I am looking for an answer regarding the green variants.
I found this spring a few nice looking, vigorous and healthy. They are called ‘aberrant’ and they are infected (supposedly); the saying goes that they will deteriorate in time (?).
I have seen many truly aberrant green Trillium grandiflorum but those usually look badly very early on.
I would be very interested to know if anyone grows or has/had propagated such forms? (not necessarily of T. grandiflorum). Thanks in advance.
This is my green variant#3
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It's a virus, isn't it? Or so says my Ontario Wildflowers book. Here's two I photographed on the Niagara Escarpment in May 2013.
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It's a virus, isn't it? Or so says my Ontario Wildflowers book. Here's two I photographed on the Niagara Escarpment in May 2013.
Ralph it is probably mycoplasma.
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Dave, 590 pots, that is a lot! At the moment I have 40 pots (sowing previous year together with this year). I use bigger pots, the seedlings will stay there for a few years, depending how quick they grow. It is much easier then transplanting in small pots.
Its 650 pots now Herman ... managed to pot up a few more ;D
Like you I also use bigger pots ...... or whatever I have available .Here's a pic of a few pots of varying sizes i took tonight that belong to an extra 230 pots of seed that have germinated but I haven't touched yet.
Then there are about another 110 pots yet to show any activity...It's just a hobby I keep telling myself. :-[ ;D
I'm like 'playing around 'with Trilliums whether as seed , divisions , or seedlings and finding out what is fact and what is fiction and what works well in my situation .
I had about a 10% loss last season by disturbing the T. cotyledons so young from a documented experiment in the shade house.....which I was okay with . As it was only a small experiment of 20 seedlings I thought I would increase the numbers this season and record the results .
When I get time I'll make a few comments regarding Trillium division.
Cheers Dave.
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Its 650 pots now Herman ... managed to pot up a few more ;D
Like you I also use bigger pots ...... or whatever I have available .Here's a pic of a few pots of varying sizes i took tonight that belong to an extra 230 pots of seed that have germinated but I haven't touched yet.
Then there are about another 110 pots yet to show any activity...It's just a hobby I keep telling myself. :-[ ;D
I'm like 'playing around 'with Trilliums whether as seed , divisions , or seedlings and finding out what is fact and what is fiction and what works well in my situation .
I had about a 10% loss last season by disturbing the T. cotyledons so young from a documented experiment in the shade house.....which I was okay with . As it was only a small experiment of 20 seedlings I thought I would increase the numbers this season and record the results .
When I get time I'll make a few comments regarding Trillium division.
Cheers Dave.
Dave, have you enough place in the garden for all those Trilliums when they start to flower?
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It's a virus, isn't it? Or so says my Ontario Wildflowers book. Here's two I photographed on the Niagara Escarpment in May 2013.
According with the latest studies the greening of the T. grandiflorum flowers is caused by infection with a plant pathogen belonging to the genus Phytoplasma (mycoplasma-like organism). Phytoplasmic infections are usually confined to the phloem and most often result in the transformation of floral parts to leafy green structures (and hence sterility).
But there is a huge difference between the usual distorted, often one flowered stem Trilliums and the established clumps I found last year. This is why I was wondering if there are any cultivated such forms. Phytoplasmic infections are not always detrimental when it comes to ornamental qualities.
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Dave, have you enough place in the garden for all those Trilliums when they start to flower?
The short answer Herman is no ...... :( ;D
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For the first time Trillium decipiens is going to flower. I think it is to early because of the warm weather ( still 13°C, not normal for the time of the year)