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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: goofy on February 09, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
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hello friends,
Happy New Pleione Year :)
I posted it already in the "Pleione 2014"
and did not realize, that it was the wrong topic :(
so, once again, this is my first Pleione flowering in 2015,
Pleione humilis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150208-150525-648.jpg)
enjoy
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Fine flower! I think I read that this species is difficult to grow and therefore I didn't buy one yet. Can you confirm this?
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hello friends,
Happy New Pleione Year :)
I posted it already in the "Pleione 2014"
and did not realize, that it was the wrong topic :(
so, once again, this is my first Pleione flowering in 2015,
enjoy
Oh ! I didn't notice it was the wrong thread either, Dieter , sorry!
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Fine flower! I think I read that this species is difficult to grow and therefore I didn't buy one yet. Can you confirm this?
difficult or easy...........
.....its not difficult for me, and I am a "beginner"
(just ask Mr. Röllich how to grow it best :) )
cheers
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Fine flower! I think I read that this species is difficult to grow and therefore I didn't buy one yet. Can you confirm this?
It likes to grow cool. I grow mine outside in a shaded open-sided frame from late April (but watch out for late frosts).
I grow them in perforated pots in a mix of 80% living sphagnum: 20% orchid bark with a sprinkling of silica sand (helps re-wetting). I only water with rainwater or de-mineralised water & give a dilute feed every 4th watering (avoid fertiliser using urea or ammonia as the nitrogen source). I store dormant pseudobulbs in a cold unheated garage (tends to stay between 1-5C overwinter). It is important to keep them only barely moist at the start of new leaf growth as the new roots tend to rot easily if growing into a saturated growing medium.
All this makes them sound difficult .....but they are not and many other growers are successful with different regimes. The above regime also works well with forrestii, forrestii alba and albiflora.
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Hallo Steve, thank you for this detailed description!
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Pleione 'Riah Shan'
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The first swallow of mine is also P. humilis. It is really easy to grow ;)
K.
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so, once again, this is my first Pleione flowering in 2015,
Pleione humilis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150208-150525-648.jpg)
enjoy
Nice fringed lip!
Mine is still a tiny bud, can't wait fot it to bloom :)
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Here is my first sign of Pleione spring. Pleione Sirena, and a very clear white form. Must have inherited 90% of it's genes form Pleione humilis.
Regards Erling
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hello friends,
Happy New Pleione Year :)
I posted it already in the "Pleione 2014"
and did not realize, that it was the wrong topic :(
so, once again, this is my first Pleione flowering in 2015,
Pleione humilis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150208-150525-648.jpg)
enjoy
Dieter, many of your photos are not now visible - when I try to access them direct by their link, thisis the message I get ;
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I hope that this will only be a temporary problem and we will soon be able to enjoy your pictures again.
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Hurrah, lovely picture of Pleione humilis. Such beautiful contrast, almost 3dimensional. Well done.
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Pleione Eiger
Pleione Cosmos 'Shooting Stars'
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Pleione Cosmos 'Shooting Stars' is really odd-looking ???
K.
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I did wonder if someone would say that. I had some scopulorum with a similar if slightly less pronounced effect on the petals last year, threw them all out just in case...but I have read that temperature changes can cause something like this too. Does anyone have a strong view on the significance of this type of blotching?
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Alex, which temperature changes do you mind? If you grow all your plants in the same conditions and this symptoms show only a few plants, and the others are OK, it means that something in the plant is wrong. If it would be a temperature, the same symptoms would be seen on the most of your currently flowering plants. If not, it is probably a disease.
As I already wrote here - in most of plants showed the similar symptoms, which we tested by electron microscopy during last three years in our research about Viruses in Pleione Culture, was detected a virus. All such odd-looking plants should be quarantined and tested.
K.
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Well that didn't take very long did it ;D.
Every year we have this discussion about viruses and having followed the topic in other years I must admit the V word shot into my head as soon as I saw the picture.
But, purely for discussion purpose, following on from Alex's thoughts, could the fact that the early flowering time suggests that these bulbs have been seriously forced at high temperatures have any effect?
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Karel, one thing I'd disagree with there is the idea that if only a fraction of a group of plants shows changes they are likely to be non-environmental in origin. Changes are mostly the product of environment x genotype rather than just environment, and in a collection of diverse species and hybrids, it is quite possible that some could respond to environment in a way that others won't.
Steve, I hesitated for a while before posting in suggestion of "the v-word" because I too have read these threads before and we all know the score by now...but I was intrigued because the blotching is so similar to what I saw on my scopulorum, and I wondered if anyone had any information on this *specific* symptom.
Cheers,
Alex
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Michal,
that is a very odd looking P. Cosmos 'Shooting Stars' indeed. And much earlier than my other ones, which hardly show a bud yet and flowered last year in mid March, a month later than yours. This makes me think that yours has been forced, which would also account for the slightly misshapen flower.
Forcing pleiones is not a good idea in my experience. I sometimes tried it to meet exhibition dates and had to leave the forced plants behind because they did not look good.
Virus is, of course, a possibility, but not a certainty. If my plants look like yours when they flower next month, you'll get your money back. I hope you think that's fair. :)
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Pleione forcing is fraught with difficulty. I once gifted a Ducat to someone who was interested in having a yellow pleione.. They flowered it a full six weeks before me, and, reportedly, it had no yellow! Sadly they didn’t photograph the flower, which would have been interesting. I haven’t heard from them since… so I guess it is no more anyway.
Tim DH
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Steve, this is a very interesting idea, however a very difficult answer. If we would accept, that the changes on the plants were caused only by temperature or humidity shock, which of course could be possible, we must first ruled out that the plant is infected by virus .
Given that none of nurserymen doesn’t tests viruses in Pleiones systematically, there is a high probability that plants may contain a virus in a latent stage.
As our research has shown, there is a percentage of plants containing spherical viruses, that doesn’t show any symptoms (if the plant is grown in standard conditions). These plants multiply, bloom and grow normally. However, we don’t know what will happen when we expose the plant to a temperature or humidity stress. It may just be the tripper of virus activity. The same situation is with filamentous viruses (CymMV and ORV were detected just in a few tested samples).
In many cases of tested plants, the virus activity was showed after changing growing conditions. While nurserymen have seen no symptoms, in the buyer’s conditions we could find changes on the flowers and leaves and a virus was detected.
As I have already written, the virus can not be identified only from picture, but caution is always on the spot!
Maren, I also disagree with forcing Pleiones. I think that see, for example flowering P. formosana in February, is really crazy.
K.
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Michal,
that is a very odd looking P. Cosmos 'Shooting Stars' indeed. And much earlier than my other ones, which hardly show a bud yet and flowered last year in mid March, a month later than yours. This makes me think that yours has been forced, which would also account for the slightly misshapen flower.
Forcing pleiones is not a good idea in my experience. I sometimes tried it to meet exhibition dates and had to leave the forced plants behind because they did not look good.
Virus is, of course, a possibility, but not a certainty. If my plants look like yours when they flower next month, you'll get your money back. I hope you think that's fair. :)
Maren, English is not my mother tongue, but I'll try it. My pleiones are in a cold room, on windowsill, without direct sunlight. While other pleiones sleep or begin to grow, Pln. Cosmos 'Shooting Stars' is blooming. My pleiones didn't force. I still have something to learn ;) I enclose a photo od Pln. Cosmos 'Shooting Stars' from a different angle, and my windowsill with pleiones.
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Michael,
I agree with Karel that it is impossible to know for sure without a test if a plant has virus. And also agree that the effect of temperature isn't a simple factor; while some have observed that these symptoms can be caused by temperature (and so they think a virus is not involved), you have to ask what is it that the temperature is actually doing to cause this effect?
In my opinion, the most likely answer is that the temperature is affecting the level of activity of a virus. At one temperature virus activity may be high and symptoms appear, while at another temperature virus activity may be low and symptoms do not appear. This may be why the same plant may exhibit symptoms in one year but not the next. But again, this idea cannot be proven without testing.
Temperature can certainly directly affect the colour of the flowers, but in my experience this is an "even" affect, where you may get more pink for example in flowers that are kept warmer. But colour changes that appear as blotches are I think much more likely to be due to virus.
I feel sorry for the poor nurserymen & other suppliers who may supply a plant that has not shown any problem for them but which under the different conditions of the purchaser produces these worrying symptoms.
Paul
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Michael,
I agree with Karel that it is impossible to know for sure without a test if a plant has virus. And also agree that the effect of temperature isn't a simple factor; while some have observed that these symptoms can be caused by temperature (and so they think a virus is not involved), you have to ask what is it that the temperature is actually doing to cause this effect?
In my opinion, the most likely answer is that the temperature is affecting the level of activity of a virus. At one temperature virus activity may be high and symptoms appear, while at another temperature virus activity may be low and symptoms do not appear. This may be why the same plant may exhibit symptoms in one year but not the next. But again, this idea cannot be proven without testing.
Temperature can certainly directly affect the colour of the flowers, but in my experience this is an "even" affect, where you may get more pink for example in flowers that are kept warmer. But colour changes that appear as blotches are I think much more likely to be due to virus.
I feel sorry for the poor nurserymen & other suppliers who may supply a plant that has not shown any problem for them but which under the different conditions of the purchaser produces these worrying symptoms.
Paul
Paul, thank you for your answer.
Michal
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Dieter, many of your photos are not now visible - when I try to access them direct by their link, thisis the message I get ;
I hope that this will only be a temporary problem and we will soon be able to enjoy your pictures again.
hello Maggi,
unfortunately I am not an "IT specialist",
so I dont understand why to acces my pics form their "LINKs".
and what do you want to "check" there?
They can be seen easily from the forum,
and indeed I really do not know about the problem.
()Khadija can see the pic of the "humilis for example)
maybe some earlier pics are already "deleted" from the server :(
BUT if you are interested in some special pics,
I can send them to you personally in "original size"
cheers
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Hello Dieter - it must have been a temporary problem- because the photos are t showing again now. When I wrote that message earlier I could see no picture, only an external link, which did not lead to the photo. All is now well!
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........All is now well!
tks Maggi,
that makes me happy :)
dieter
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I haven’t grown pleiones before but recently received a pseudobulb of P. humilis which looks fine except that the developing flower bud has withered. Does this affect its chances of producing a leaf bud and recovering?
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flowering now ;D .... the first on my Pleiones this year.
Pleione forrestii
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No, not at all Ashley.
The pseudobulb was probably exposed to fluctuating temperatures after initial bud development causing the bud to abort, but leaf and root growth will be unaffected.
The critical period is when new roots start to develop -if the substrate is too damp the developing roots will rot; a bone-dry substrate doesn't work well either. Humilis naturally grows as an epiphyte/lithophyte in moss. I find it does well grown in living sphagnum within a vented plastic pot (I melt holes in the plastic pots using an old soldering bolt). Early in the season I keep the sphagnum just damp by misting the moss. When the new leaf has almost fully formed the pot can sit in a shallow saucer of water, this needs frequent top ups as the capillary draw of the sphagnum is surprisingly effective. Watering is best using rain water, be careful with feeding. Avoid urea/ammonium nitrogen sources and always flush well between feeds with rain water.
They like the same growing enviroment as petiolarid primulas but avoid frosting.
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flowering now ;D .... the first on my Pleiones this year.
Pleione forrestii
Nice plant!!!
My first of the year are some forms of Pleione humilis.
Typical form (a vigorous individual with three separate flowers/growths on the one pseudo-bulb):
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8628/16405711667_68961b0d2b_z.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8668/16587038706_07b6a1a1b6_z.jpg)
Violet-lipped form:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8582/16587038006_d6b434d3fd_z.jpg)
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Thanks very much Steve. Your method is obviously successful 8)
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Steve,
I have to disagree about the advice to avoid fertilisers that use urea/ammonium nitrogen sources. The idea that orchids can't make use of urea or that they do badly on it are one of those "myths" that go round but which I'm afraid simply aren't true. There is plenty of evidence from both science and experience to show that orchids in general grow well with urea-based fertilisers. Obviously, all a bit much to go into here in detail but just to give a couple of experiential examples: many orchid labs use urea as the sole nitrogen source in their flasking media. Being sterile, there are no bacteria present to break down the urea. Yet the orchids thrive in the flasks. Why? Because -as the science shows - orchids can take up and use urea directly without the need for it to be processed first by bacteria. Commercial labs simply wouldn't be doing this if they believed the myth that orchids cannot directly make use of urea or grow poorly on it.
Secondly, many growers get great results with Pleione fed on urea base fertilisers. Ian Butterfield currently uses Miracle-gro where the nitrogen comes from urea and ammonium forms of nitrogen. His results are very good. I have used it too with great success.
Paul
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Paul you have far more experience than me of growing Pleione so I am not in any position to argue.
I would not dispute the ability of orchids to absorb and use urea.
I like to grow many of my Pleione in live sphagnum. I have found that those pots where the sphagnum remains viable through to the end of the growing season also produce the best pseudobulbs. Urea can be converted by saprophytic bacteria into ammonium salts which alter pH and seem to have a harmful effect on the living sphagnum hence my preference for avoiding urea. From what you say it sounds like my concerns are needless but we all tend to stick with what we think works for us. ;)
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After good achievement with P. maculata, I'll try to grow P. forrestii tied on the bark this year.
K.
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I like to grow many of my Pleione in live sphagnum. I have found that those pots where the sphagnum remains viable through to the end of the growing season also produce the best pseudobulbs. Urea can be converted by saprophytic bacteria into ammonium salts which alter pH and seem to have a harmful effect on the living sphagnum hence my preference for avoiding urea. From what you say it sounds like my concerns are needless but we all tend to stick with what we think works for us. ;)
Interesting in that I find that pure sphagnum is a terrible substrate, nutrient wise, for many other Orchids. Much yellowing.
I wonder if sphagnum inhibits the growth of bacteria/fungi that would normally assist in the breakdown of eg. Urea. Urea or any other source of nutrients. Sphagnum is very good for plants that cannot tolerate 'fertilizer' such as carnivorous plants but I'm not convinced about using it for 'Orchids' unless that is their natural habitat. Possibly that healthy Sphagnum is a sure sign of conditions won't allow the efficient breakdown of Urea?
For some reason I'm reminded of a post when I first joined another forum and commented (http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=52972&hl)that the LBM's should be left alone because they are so poorly researched that they may well be essential to the 'health' of the terrarium for all we know. I haven't changed my mind yet.
Every late Summer/early Autumn I get out looking for 'Ceps' (Boletus edulis) and I can see where they will appear even with a Winter viewing. I can just look at the ground and the plants growing there and know that they (Ceps) will appear at the appropriate time. Don't ask me why. I just can. No science, they will be there though. Perhaps it all boils down to interactions that we are only beginning to look into.
If anyone has any relevant 'research papers' then I would be very interested to see them. We tend, I think, to research 'growth' but decay is just as important. How does a Moose become plant food? Will a Moose become plant food if it dies in a Sphagnum bog?
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Just a copy of my comment on the forum mentioned above ...
I don't think that they are much of a problem from the plant or sphag POV. Indeed, you might find that they help and pretty soon everyone wants some mycelium from you. LBM's* perform many un-researched functions.
They probably act like some kind of very slow release fertilizer utilising any dead sphag. If your plants are doing just fine then I would leave your mushrooms alone.
*Little Brown Mushrooms
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Just a copy of my comment on the forum mentioned above ...
*Little Brown Mushrooms
:D Thanks hud, I was just about to ask what the LBMs were.
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hello friends,
some more Pleiones are blooming
Pleione Pinchbeck Diamond
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150223-191855-907.jpg)
Pleione forrestii Vietnam form
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150223-191215-101.jpg)
enjoy
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Under the bench at Dunblane on Saturday, John Amand had three trays of pots stuffed full of unnamed Pleiones for £15 each. this pot is about 10cm diameter. Some of the pots had fewer pseudobulbs with at least one nearly as big as an apple and some had more slightly smaller pseudobulbs. Several people (me included) were seen on their knees scrabbling under the bench. I eventually decided on a medium number of medium sized lighter green pseudobulbs. Now the wait to see what I have.
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I have seen such pots in a local garden center ( 15 Euro here) and I think it is the hybrid grandiflora x formosana. They are from the same source as the Cypripediums (Anthura B.V.)
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Steve,
Sorry, I hadn't realised your concern about urea/ammonium sources of nitrogen related to their effects on your substrate rather than the plants themselves. I've tried growing in live Sphagnum but for me it was a difficult medium to manage. Surprisingly, there is still a lot that isn't known about what goes on in potting media. The interactions of the medium, fertilisers, bacteria, fungi and the plant roots (and their exudates) are quite complex and little studied to date.
Hud, to find scientific papers the best thing is to use Google Scholar, a special search available from Google that searches for scientific publications only. You can find it at http://scholar.google.co.uk/ (http://scholar.google.co.uk/).
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Very nice design of your new website indeed - congratulation ;)
K.
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I have to return to your website Paul. It is absolutely great job, with many new and inspiring information and fantastic photo gallery. I believe, that it will be a fountain of information for all of us. Thank you. :D
K.
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I am extremely pleased to let everyone know that my completely redesigned Pleione Website is now live! The site is still at the same address i.e. www.pleione.info
(http://www.pleione.info)The new site not only has a completely new look, it has well over 1000 images (compared to 300 on the old site) all browsable as thumbnails. Many of the plants shown have never been illustrated before. All the other information from the old site is there, but updated and much has been re-written and added to. The site is also ‘responsive’ so should work on all screen sizes including smartphones (though being picture-rich it is better viewed on a large screen!). I hope you like it!
Paul
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It's fantastic Paul, two thumbs up!!!
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Paul, it's gorgeous site (y) (y)
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Paul, it looks brilliant. A definitive Pleione resource.
Alex
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Congratulations Paul!
What a visually stunning and highly informative site.
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Really lovely site 8)
Angie :)
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I agree with all the above, beautiful and useful. I have been re-reading the old Pleione Reviews, amazing how much has changed and also how much still very much applies today. :) :) :)
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I agree with everyone, great site indeed!
Today when i got home i noticed a leaf drop on my P. Confirmation. It looks like it has break in half because it was too week to stand up straight or something. Does this happen often or is there something wrong? Like humidity or temperature. I noticed the same thing happened with my P maculata 1 week ago. I have them in my house the temperature between 18-23°C humidity arround 45%.
Thank you in advance for your answers!
Regards
Gregor
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Gregor, sounds like they are growing too fast due to high temperature. My autumn flowering Pleiones are in an unheated room and the leaves are just starting to grow. I keep maculata in my kitchen windowsill with 20°C max in daytime.
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Many congratulations with the awesome work on the renewed website Paul !
It's magnificent and so informative !
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Yes Khadija,... i think this is the problem. I have to place them somewhere else. Does anyone know how will this affect on future growth?
Regards
Gregor
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1) Pln. Askia 'Cinnabar'
2) Pln. Britannia 'Doreen'
3) Pln. Glacier Peak
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That's a lovely Glacier Peak. Love the yellow lip and contrast with the petals.
Alex
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That's a lovely Glacier Peak. Love the yellow lip and contrast with the petals.
Alex
Alex, thank you. I love it too. It's from Ian Butterfield and it's on my own TOP-Pleione list ;D
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Paul, Wonderful website, I drooled over it for ages ! It appears that to grow seed successfully you need a degree in Bio-chemistry.
I decided to give it a go in a very simplistic manner. In the wild, Pleiones set seed, disperse it and new plants grow without clinical conditions.
So, I collected some seedpods when I was cleaning out the pots, replanted the bulbs and scattered a mixture of fine composted bark and peat -sterilised- round the bulbs.
Then I opened a pod and let the seed fall on this mixture. A light mist spray and then some more coarse bark on top. Of course, I have no idea if this will be successful but it costs nothing to try
I have tried this for a couple of years and have had what appears to be a limited success. In late summer I have seen a few tiny little pleione leaves appear near the outside of the pots. I only get about 5 of them to a pot and sometimes nothing. I note where they are and collect them when I do my repotting in late January. They look like lentils and are about 3/4 mm long. I then plant all the ones I find in a nursery pot to grow them on. They are kept in an unheated greenhouse and move out in April to a shaded bench where they stay until late autumn.
My knowledge of pleione cultivation is rudimentary and I work on the principle that they know how to grow and reproduce better than me.
The one niggle I have is are these just offsets which have moved from a bulb and come into growth ? They appear about 70mm from the nearest bulb and I cannot see any connection between them.
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Thanks everyone for your appreciation of the new website.
Tom, your approach to sowing Pleione seeds could work to some extent - it all depends on whether there happens to be the right fungi present (and pathogenic fungi absent). Others have had some success sowing on bark or even cardboard without sterile conditions, but all these methods are rather unreliable and unpredictable compared to laboratory sowing. If they are not actual seedlings, the alternatives could be that they are bulbils that have dropped in either from the adult bulbs already in the pot or from other bulbs in adjacent pots. You will know eventually because when they flower they will all be identical to the parent.
Paul
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Thanks Paul.
I sow these seeds for a bit of fun to see if it works. Some of the old compost is used with fresh stuff put at the bottom of the pots. I actually put the old compost through a very fine sieve and searched for any bulbils that may have been present and am sure that there were none. So, if anything does come up, the chances are that it will be a seedling. Time will tell.
I am amazed at how hardy some pleiones are. Three years ago I decided to plant out 6 bulbs in the garden, including 2 Shantung. This coincided with the coldest winter we had for at least 20 years. By the time Spring came, in about April, I looked for the bulbs and found 2 mushy Shantungs. The rest I could not find.
In late June, to my surprise, the other 4 had come into flower in the middle of a camellia and a dwarf rhododendron. They had survived in ground frozen to -6°C for at least two weeks. Not recommended for the more exotic and expensive varieties !
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My first Pleione for this season 8)
Pleione kohala
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A small oddity from my Pleione forrestii.
This plant is purchased as Pleione forrestii alba, as it clearly not. It is double flowering, which I have not seen before. Lastly it turns out, that one of the flowers have no lip. so it is only 1½ flowering. It is a funny world. :-).
Am I right, that Pleione forrestii usually flowers with one flower?
Erling
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I have a vigorous form of forrrestii from Vietnam which currently has two flower buds from one growth point and a separate single bud on the second growth. The flowers have not yet opened but they were of normal structure last year.
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Hi Erf,
some of my clones flower regularly with two flowers on a stem ;)
K.
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Hi Karel
I see, and both flowers with a lip. Nice
Erling
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Pleione Cuxius a.k.a. Pleione x confusa and Pleione Margaret Kerr.
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Very nice Khadja, I like the creamy color of your Cuxius. I am looking forward to see my Cuxius flower for the first time this year.
Erling
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It's lovely indeed Erling, as a bonus I scented a faint delightful fragrance! ;D
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Pleione Cuxius a.k.a. Pleione x confusa and Pleione Margaret Kerr.
Two exquisite Pleione, Khadija !
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What I would like to know is, have these pleiones featured below, been brought into flower naturally or with the application of heat ?
I can expect my first flower in about 3 weeks - April- and the rest to flower up to May. For the few I have outdoors, June is the optimum time.
I have never had any flowers earlier.
My bulbs are kept in an unheated greenhouse regardless of temperature and come into growth when THEY decide the time is right.
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Tom, they flower naturally. It all depends on space, clone and parentage.
Humilis, yunnanensis and forrestii are early flowering, offsprings with their genes tend to flower early. Formosana should flower next month with me, scopulorum will be the latest to flower (end of April, early May).
I keep most of my Pleiones in a unheated room, the ones I keep outside will flower few weeks later. While the flowers last only few weeks one can enjoy Pleiones for several months by having several different species and hybrids.
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I presume mine must be later flowering varieties.
In my local Lidls today, I came across orchid compost in a compressed form, made from coconut husks. It makes up to 5 litres when you add the water and as it was only £1.79 I have given it a go. I poured in the requisite 1.5 litres of water in stages and the compost looks and feels rather good,
Tomorrow I will try it on some pleione bulbs.
I have enclosed some pictures for those who may be interested
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Tom, the coconut husk compost looks very similar to others on the market which need a lot of soaking before use as there are so many impurities in it. Put some in water overnight and see if the liquid looks like tea in the morning. If so give it a good soak before use. Just check. I am not sure about using it neat for Pleione as in my experience it dries out very unevenly, dry at the edge when the centre of the pot is still very wet.
As for the Pleione season it just depends on your temperatures. I agree with Khadija about humilis, forrestii and their hybrids being early but here in Lincolnshire, which stats show is just about the coldest part of the UK, the season is kicked back. My Eiger might open in a week or so, forestii soon afterwards. Khadija's season seems to be over in early May but mine is at a peak in mid-may. Every year I have flowers into June, usually chunii is the last. In 2013 after the cold spring I had plenty left mid way through the month.
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It was a pleasant surprise to see a lot forrestii being offered this winter.
Lhasa 'Blushes' remains one of my favourite hybrids.
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Again nice flowers Khadija, my Pleione Lhasa Blushes will flower in a day or so. Today one of my Pleione xconfusa clones flowered.
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That's such a super nice confusa Erling!!!
It's the only confusa clone I've seen so far with dominant albiflora genes, resulting in very fringed lip. I hoped Cuxius would have the same feature, but alas, forrestii genes have the upper hand on the lip.
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It was a pleasant surprise to see a lot forrestii being offered this winter.
You are right Khadija, here is one of them: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-bulbs-of-Pleione-forrestii-yellow-flower-/271791405374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f4807b93e (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-bulbs-of-Pleione-forrestii-yellow-flower-/271791405374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f4807b93e)
Unfortunately, Chinese supplier uses my photo of P. forrestii, so I assume there is no flowering plant in China ???
K.
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Hello
Do anyone know what happened with Mr. Gunter Blankenburg. I have not seen anything for sale from him at Ebay, and his web page can not be found. Hope everything is well with him.
Regards Erling
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Hi Erling,
I wondered the same and with help of a friend who lives in Kerpen, I found out that Günter Blankenburg passed away in 2014.
I hope you're not too sad because Günter was a happy guy when I met him in 2013, so I will send you a bulb of the best plant I got from him, Pleione Glacier Peak 'Fantasia'.
Daniel :)
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OMG, I think that was the last thing anyone expected what happened with mister Blankenburg.
So sad :-\
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Khadija, I'll send you a nice bulb of Alde Saran, unless you already have that one! ;)
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That's very kind of you Daniel.
In memory of mr. Blaneknburg, he registered two hybrids in 2009:
Alde Saran (Blankenburg/Bergel) bulbocodioides x coronaria
Jens Blaneknburg (Blankenburg) Vesuxius x coronaria
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Oh dear! this is so sad! I ordered some pleione from him last year! Very healthy and nice plants indeed! was looking forward to buy from him this year again. So just like Erling i was wondering why he doesn't sell anymore. ???
May he rest in peace!
regards,
Gregor
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Hi Erling,
I wondered the same and with help of a friend who lives in Kerpen, I found out that Günter Blankenburg passed away in 2014.
I hope you're not too sad because Günter was a happy guy when I met him in 2013, so I will send you a bulb of the best plant I got from him, Pleione Glacier Peak 'Fantasia'.
Daniel :)
I am so sory to hear. I have been buying a lot of plants from Blankenburg in the past years, and always good quality. Thats is why I was wondering, why he did not have plants for sale this year. Thank you for uour offer of teh Bulb of Pleione Glacier Peak 'Fantsia', but please give it to someone else, since I already have a pot full of that clone. I bought it from him a few years ago as bulbils, and had it flowering for the first time spring 2014.
He will be missed in Pleione cirkles.
Regards Erling
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It is very sad news that Mr. Blankenburg passed away. You may remember that last year I ordered from him some pleiones and they travelled from Germany to Slovakia through New Zealand... Almost most of them died in the summer. Maybe they felt that Mr. Blankenburg passed away too. Rest in peace :(
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Pleione grandiflora (with purple spots on the lip)
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My flowering season has started,
chunii x humilis, flowering for the first time.
Eiger, cream form.
Pl. forrestii.
Sifaka, very pale violet clone.
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Very nice clones on display Peter. I am particularly impressed by your chunii x humilis and your Sifaka clone. Very nice indeed.
In Denmark I am enjoying the fight between nature and mankind in the comparison of Pleione xconfusa with Pleione Cuxius. I think I deside on a draw ;).
Both flowers are realy fantastic. I think I will call my Pleione xconfusa 'Blankenburg' after the late Gunter Blankenburg form whom I got this clone.
And Peter, I have som Pleione Edgecombe and Pleione Sifaka ready to flower, I am so exited and grateful. Thank you.
Erling
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good morning
it seems to never be presented here, I follow you for a long time yet
I m sorry for my bad english (google helps me a lot)
I come to you because I have a new Pleione who asked me for the name problem
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7141.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1717)
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(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7211.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1722)
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7213.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1724)
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Hello Yann
I would say something like Santorino in a pale variant. But it could maybe be a clone of Pleione plenionoides.
Erling
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Hello Yann, welcome to the Forum! :)
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thank you
a form of Pleione pleionoides am happy too, I know that the plant is not a botanical human variety
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Hello Yann,
welcome on this site.
Your pleione looks very interesting. can you please take another picture when the flower is fully open?
Thanks. :) :)
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Pleione Lilac Wonder and Leda 'Fishing Owl', two breathtaking beauties.
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Hello Maren is thank you, yes I would do more photos
Nova your Pleione are always so beautiful
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Nice pictures Khadija. I have never heard of P. Lilac Wonder before.
My Pleione also started to bloom.
Here is my P. grandiflora
Regards,
Gregor
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Pleione Lilac Wonder and Leda 'Fishing Owl', two breathtaking beauties.
The 'Fishing Owl' is glorious, Khadija !!
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hello,
New photo Pleione "x...."
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(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7216.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1727)
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7217.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1728)
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7218.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1729)
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/35/74/96/dscf7219.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18357496/1730)
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Some forms of Pleione forrestii:
The first two images are of plants of Vietnamese provenance (they have a delicate and attractive scent), the third is a pale-flowered clone with a white column and almost white base to the lip and the fourth is a white form.
Pleione forrestii is perhaps more prone to aborting its flowers than any other species. Even relatively minor fluctuations in temperature can be enough to cause this. In winter I keep all of my forrestii in a cold garage which ranges between 2C & 6C but this year I placed three forrestii on a cold bathroom window sill two months ago -along with a max-min thermometer. The maximum recorded temperature was only 12C ( the bathroom is almost never used now that the kids have moved out) yet all three of these forrestii lost their flowers.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7602/16798296936_f560c2fe3c_z_d.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8690/16616861037_a4c40cd497_z_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7599/16823059892_e3c2f253fb_z_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16798298826_f2b1338fba_z_d.jpg)
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..I have never heard of P. Lilac Wonder before.
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Gregor
Hi Gregor,
its full name is Pleione formosana 'Lilac Wonder'. not often seen these days.
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Steve, very interesting observations! I am also loosing flowers for a secons year in a row. :-\ Now i know what is the problem. i am moving one pot right away. I hope it is not too late. Outstanding photos by the way!
Maren thank you for the information!
Best regards,
Gregor
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hi gregor and maren the pleione lilac wonder shown in the recent photograph is the registered hybrid between yunanensis and chunii, and not a clone of pleione formosana. i once obtained a formosana clone called lilac obtained from the old firm of robinsons in kent,and ian butterfield used to list pleione formosana lilac beauty many years ago, but i havent heard of a formosana lilac wonder hope this obsevation is of help
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Hi Gregor,
its full name is Pleione formosana 'Lilac Wonder'. not often seen these days.
hi gregor and maren the pleione lilac wonder shown in the recent photograph is the registered hybrid between yunanensis and chunii, and not a clone of pleione formosana. i once obtained a formosana clone called lilac obtained from the old firm of robinsons in kent,and ian butterfield used to list pleione formosana lilac beauty many years ago, but i havent heard of a formosana lilac wonder hope this obsevation is of help
That's correct, chunii x yunnanensis was registered in 2009 by Bergel as Lilac Wonder. I got it from Jan Moors as yunnanensis x chunii. Guess it's the reversed cross, haven't asked Jan to be honest.
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I stand corrected. >:(
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hi gregor and maren the pleione lilac wonder shown in the recent photograph is the registered hybrid between yunanensis and chunii, and not a clone of pleione formosana. i once obtained a formosana clone called lilac obtained from the old firm of robinsons in kent,and ian butterfield used to list pleione formosana lilac beauty many years ago, but i havent heard of a formosana lilac wonder hope this obsevation is of help
Nova has shown her flowers of Lilac Wonder a couple of times before , but I see from this page :
http://www.pleione.info/pleione-hybrids-gallery-l---n.html (http://www.pleione.info/pleione-hybrids-gallery-l---n.html) that the three plants show there under the name seem to show two quite different "types" of flower - I think Ican see the chunii blood in the second two pix, but not in the first - are there perhaps two plants with this name in circulation? :-\
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Maggi I've mentioned to Paul the differecence, he received the picture from a friend. As chunii and hookeriana have often been mixed up in the past I would not be surprised if the first picture is actually Ganymede (yunnanensis x hookeriana) ???
ThomasB has posted a picture of Lilac Wonder in 2012 http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8273.285 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8273.285)
To compare Ganymede with Lilac Wonder I've posted below pictures I took last year.
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Life's full of floral mysteries! Keeps us interested, eh? :D
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Hi Everyone,
As I can't verify for certain the identity of that first picture of Lilac Wonder on the website, I have removed it. Thanks to everyone who have pointed out this and a few other errors, typos & gremlins! Please do let me know if you encounter any more.
Paul
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More Pleione bliss: Piton 'Sering', Snow Monkey and Hekla 'Partridge'
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Pleione Riah Shan
The flower in the background was already open on February 20
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Hi all
Pleione albiflora opend on this very cold and sunny sunday in here in Denmark.
Erling
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Amazing show Erling !! :o :o :o
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I decided to try Pleione this year and so got myself forty mixed sized 'mongrels' from e-bay for £10 ::)
They were thrown into the fridge in newspaper for a month and I have 'potted' them recently. Looking at them today, I can see growth but just a cm or so. I pulled one out and it has (1cm) roots too.
Should I stick the basket about 1/3 depth in water (temporarily (5 mins)) so that there is a water source 'down deep' if they want it?
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Another question concerns P. humilis and forrestii. They both look like plants I would like to grow. Are the a bit too ambitious for a beginner?
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Hello
Please do not water yet. Wait until the leafs has started to develop, there are to high a risk of root if you start watering now. If you want more detalils on growing, have a look at Poul Cumbletons web page http://www.pleione.info/cultivation---1.html. (http://www.pleione.info/cultivation---1.html.) This is proberbly the best source to information.
Wether you should start growing Pleione humilis and Pleione forrestii, I see no problems about that. Pleione forrestii can be a little tricky in the spring. It do not like to have wet compost around the bulb, so hold back on water until the leaf has developed well. Pleione humilis are rather easy to grow.
Regards Erling
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Pleione Steve James 'Plum Perfection' in flower at the moment.
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Very nice indeed Luc. It is a very good clone.
Erling
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Three new flowers opend today.
-Pleione Sifaka, a very genereous gift from Mr. Peter Clarke. I am very pleased with this clone.
-Pleione Glacier Peak
-Pleione Eiger 'Pinchebck Diamond'
Erling
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Two variations of Pleione (I think both are the Hybrid Glacier Peak) I bought in the garden center mentioned above:
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Three new flowers opend today.
-Pleione Sifaka, a very genereous gift from Mr. Peter Clarke. I am very pleased with this clone.
-Pleione Glacier Peak
-Pleione Eiger 'Pinchebck Diamond'
Erling
Some very nice clones, Erling ! The sifaka is a gem !!
At the Harlow show, I bought quite a particular pot of Pleione from the Jacques Amand sales table.
They had a number of similar pots with plants that had seemingly not been repotted for a few years.
Seeing over 10 buds in one pot, I couldn't resist temptation although they had no name - it was an unnamed hybrid from seemingly unknown parentage.
The first flower opened this week and I'm not unhappy with it.
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That looks nice, Luc. Hope the one I bought at Dunblane is as good. Should have a flower open soon.
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You mean you have one from the same source, Roma ??
That will be interesting to compare ! :D
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I think, that all the pots stuffed with Pleione bulbs appearing in the trade this year have the same origin: Anthura nursery in Belgium, also the source of fine Cypripediums and Calanthes
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Hi
Three Pleione Sifaka clones flowering together with Pleione Fu Manchu. All Sifaka clones are kind gifts from Peter Clarke, thanks a lot.
Since I bought Pleione Fu Manchu, I have been looking for pictures of that clone on the internet, but have not found any. Therfore I have nothing to compare with. Have any of you seen this hybrid flower before and can you recognize this picture? Pleione Fu Manchu (Pln. pleionoides x Pln. Eiger) made by M. Hazelton 1984.
Regards Erling
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Very nice variation in the Sifaka's, Erling, all equally attractive but the yellow one stands out !
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Pleione 'Hekla' on his best.
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Is this Pleione aurita? I think that it is, but this is my first Pleione, and it was mislabelled as P. scopulorum.
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Pleione aurita (https://flic.kr/p/rzFcLP) on Flickr
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Pleione aurita (https://flic.kr/p/rzFcPV) on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7617/16975287801_9416921c81_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rS3MDT)
Pleione aurita lip (https://flic.kr/p/rS3MDT) on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7639/16950257856_012d5e20b6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rPQv87)
Pleione aurita column (https://flic.kr/p/rPQv87) on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7608/16788504348_2e8bb20860_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rzxtrw)
Pleione aurita (https://flic.kr/p/rzxtrw) on Flickr
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definitely Pleione aurita - and excellent pictured!
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hi erf referance pleione fu manchu your photo is definatly the genuine item regards pseudo bulb
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definitely Pleione aurita - and excellent pictured!
Thank you for confirmation!
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Thanks for confirmation Pseudobulb.
Regards Erling
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I know that some of us will attend EOC and the show next week in London. I think it would be nice to meet another forumists there ;)
K.
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Pleione Caparo x Sifaka flowering for the first time.
Lucy, 2 forms.
Sifaka with spotting on the petals.
Another Sifaka.
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Need some help by the forum. Butterfingers! Some days ago a flower-box containing many of my spring flowering Pleiones fell down from the windowsill. Now it's all mixed up, the bulbs and the labels and I have to identify them by the flowers.
The first one is a reddish one (first photo).
In question: P. Caroli 'Cape Robin' and P. Kenya 'Bald Eagle' (2nd and 3rd photo from past years)
My choice is P. Caroli. What do you think?
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Need some help by the forum. Butterfingers! Some days ago a flower-box containing many of my spring flowering Pleiones fell down from the windowsill. Now it's all mixed up, the bulbs and the labels and I have to identify them by the flowers.
The first one is a reddish one (first photo).
In question: P. Caroli 'Cape Robin' and P. Kenya 'Bald Eagle' (2nd and 3rd photo from past years)
My choice is P. Caroli. What do you think?
Seems definitely 'Bald Eagle' to me, Ulrich !!
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Pleione Caparo x Sifaka flowering for the first time.
Lucy, 2 forms.
Sifaka with spotting on the petals.
Another Sifaka.
Remarkable series of Sifaka, Pete !! :o
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Ulrich, your choice is right. ;)
K.
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Quote from: Sempervivum on March 31, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
Need some help by the forum. Butterfingers! Some days ago a flower-box containing many of my spring flowering Pleiones fell down from the windowsill. Now it's all mixed up, the bulbs and the labels and I have to identify them by the flowers.
The first one is a reddish one (first photo).
In question: P. Caroli 'Cape Robin' and P. Kenya 'Bald Eagle' (2nd and 3rd photo from past years)
My choice is P. Caroli. What do you think?
Seems definitely 'Bald Eagle' to me, Ulrich !!
But 'Bald Eagle ' has a double keel , while 'Cape Robin' and Ulrich's red flower seem to have only a single keel? :-\ ???
edit to add - I see Karel T. thinks the same....
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Hmm I voted for Bald Eagle, led by the very typical somewhat "flattened" flower shape that is so distinct for Bald Eagle and is also the case with Ulrich's 'red flower'... I think.
I have it flowering at the moment and it's really veyr simmilar - I'll post a picture tomorrow.
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Apart from that, flowering is reaching it's peak in the collection :
- The unknown hybrid fro the "bunch" of pseudobulbs I showed earlier is now in full bloom - it seems to have some Grandiflora blood.
- Pleione Mandalay 'Purple Rain' shows it's true colour in the group picture.
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Pleione Glacier Peak 'Fantasy' from a Forum friend ! :D
Good old Pleione shantung 'Ducat' starts reliably it's yearly show !
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But 'Bald Eagle ' has a double keel , while 'Cape Robin' and Ulrich's red flower seem to have only a single keel? :-\ ???
by "keel" I mean the raised areas going from the front of the lower lip back into the throat of the flower - is that the correct term for it? :-\
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Many thanks for the answers to my request for identification. The single/double keel issue was the main reason why I guessed that it is Cape Robin. Another argument might be that the top of the lip is closed while Kenyas is open. I will label it 'Cape Robin'.
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Luc,
the unknown pleione you (and I and probably many others) picked up from Jacques Amand comes indeed from Anthura. I contacted the hybridiser and he tells me that it is Pleione 'Glacier Peak', made with grandiflora and formosana 'alba'.
I also bought 3 more 'bunches' of pleiones from him, which are now coming into flower. I identified the second one as P. Dr. Mo Weatherhead (grandiflora x humilis), the third one I'm not sure and the fourth is yet to open fully, but looks like P. x barbarae. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.
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Luc,
the unknown pleione you (and I and probably many others) picked up from Jacques Amand comes indeed from Anthura. I contacted the hybridiser and he tells me that it is Pleione 'Glacier Peak', made with grandiflora and formosana 'alba'.
I also bought 3 more 'bunches' of pleiones from him, which are now coming into flower. I identified the second one as P. Dr. Mo Weatherhead (grandiflora x humilis), the third one I'm not sure and the fourth is yet to open fully, but looks like P. x barbarae. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.
I think I can agree to baptise it as Glacier Peak, Maren. Whatever it is, I'm quite happy with it !! ;) Thanks for helping out, Maren !!
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Need some help by the forum. Butterfingers! Some days ago a flower-box containing many of my spring flowering Pleiones fell down from the windowsill. Now it's all mixed up, the bulbs and the labels and I have to identify them by the flowers.
The first one is a reddish one (first photo).
In question: P. Caroli 'Cape Robin' and P. Kenya 'Bald Eagle' (2nd and 3rd photo from past years)
My choice is P. Caroli. What do you think?
Sorry to insist, but I keep thinking your "red" flower is Kenya 'Bald Eagle', Ulrich.
As promised, here are some pictures of my bald eagle.
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I'm sorry Luc, however P. Kenya 'Bald Eagle' has no yellow on the lip - just orange with very fine blotches of red. If you see Ulrich's red plant there is the yellow edge of the lip, and yellow tips on the petals. The shape of flower is very variable and it can change from year to year ;)
K.
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P. forrestii are in full flower now...
K.
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Lilac Wonder still going on (baby picture of right flower posted 14th March on reply #94), followed by Krakatoa 'Wheatear' and an almost out of bloom Krakatoa 'Golden Lip'.
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Looking forward to seeing your pics of the pleiones from Jacques Amand, Maren. I was on my knees under the bench at Dunblane for ages trying to make up my mind which one to buy. I finished up with the same one as Luc. It's good to have a name for it.
Pleione 'Glacier Peak'
Pleione forrestii I don't think I'll live long enough for it to increase to a potful like Karel's. But I am happy to have it still alive and flowering every year since 2012
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Thank you for the additional comments, Luc and Karel. I'll keep Caroli 'Cape Robin'.
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Pleione albiflora
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Here are the J Amand pleione pictures I promised:
P. Dr Mo Weatherhead (burgundy lip)
P. Dr Mo Weatherhead (purple lip)
P. Glacier Peak (2)
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Pleione albiflora
Stunning albiflora, Steve ! :o :o :o
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Here are the J Amand pleione pictures I promised:
P. Dr Mo Weatherhead (purple lip)
P. Dr Mo Weatherhead (burgundy lip)
P. Glacier Peak (2)
Very interesting, Maren !
Quite attractive pots too.
Do I see it correctly that you took the "bunch" of pseudobulbs of Glacier Peak apart and replanted them ?
As I thought the one I got would already be rooting, I didn't touch it and replanted it undisturbed in a somewhat bigger pot.
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hi luc and maren i also bought some pots of pleione from amand at the harlow show,i separated them up and repoted them up as i decided they would be too crowded with the amount of new shoots that were coming,i have glacier peak coming out now.one pot had gigantic pseudobulb i showed this to ian butterfield who thought this one may be a pleione x barbarae,bulbs the size remenisant of some deciduos calanthes, i am glad that identification of some of these has been established kind regards from pseudobulb
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Hi Luc,
you are quite right, I separated three of these. As I had four bunches, I thought it was worth experimenting. The one closest to flowering was left as it was. As to the remainder, I soaked each bunch in tepid water for 10 minutes or so to soften the rootballs, a technique that comes in handy when separating any tight rootball. Then I pulled the pseudobulbs apart very gently. They came without complaining, having no live roots whatsoever. I think I did them a favour. :) ;) :)
Hi Pseudobulb (do you have a "real" name? it would be lovely to know :))
Seems there is quite a little procession going to Ian Butterfield about these pleiones.
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Just took a trip into the 'office' where I keep things I want to look at every day (the greenhouse is 12k away. Things have moved on.
1) Pln Glacier Peak - another clone, this one in my opinion, is inferior to the first one. Although the flowers are larger, they lack texture, are a bit spindly and show early signs of senescence. All have the typical kink in the dorsal sepal, inherited from their grandiflora parent.
2) Pln x barbarae. As expected, that's what the massive bulbs turned out to be. Here is the first one in flower, quite nice, but I have better ones. The flower is on the small side and doesn't quite have the wow factor one associates with x barbarae.
3) Pln x barbarae bowl. This should be quite pleasing when they are all in flower. Some buds have double flowers. I'll post another picture when they are fully out.
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Thanks for these comments Maren and Pseudobulb, quite interesting to read and see what became of all these "Amand" pots ! :D
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A few favourites that are out now:
Pleione Caparro 'For Smokie'
Pleione Gorilla 'For Dad'
Pleione Snow Monkey 'Julie Lynn'
Pleione grandiflora (a yellow form)
Pleione Gorilla 'Fissure'
Paul
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The grapevine tells me that Anthura simply had neither the time nor the inclination to pot these plants on after they did not sell last season. I assume that Pleione have a very limited season of sale, mainly from dormancy through to flowering. It is probably more economic to sell them on than invest man power in cleaning and repotting. i doubt very much that they are "substandard". Now I have an idea what they might be I just hope to see some at the show in London next week.
As for the lack of name tags, that really is nothing to worry about. I find most Anthura Cypripediums and Calanthes to be mislabelled (and don't get me started about the use of trade names) and now only buy them if they are either very healthy looking plants (which they usually are) or preferably in flower.
Edited by Mrs Steve;
Quite what he is going to do if he buys any in London I do not know. There is not room in his greenhouse for one single pot, let alone the quantity he might come back with.
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When I heard that these larger potfuls of pleiones had been for sale from Jacques Amand I assumed that they were pots left over from being used in previous displays by J.A. - which would mean that they had been part of some gold medal winning display! They would have had "fancy, decorative" name labels for the display, which would not remain with the individual pots, which would have had their own labels removed when the pots were hidden in ( for example) moss for the display. 8)
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lovely plants, Paul
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Roma - your forrestii has a lovely spotted lip.
Steve - what a cracking albiflora, tremendous frills and well caught on your photos.
Paul - fabulous Pleiones!
2 forms of Pleione grandiflora (yellow) x (forrestii x humilis) = Sirena, (a tremendous Christian Leug cross).
The flowers have an almost luminous quality and all are superb in colour and size and far easier to grow than forrestii.
Pleione Edgecombe.
Sifaka with 2 lips.
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Hi Peter,
your pleiones are looking good. I think your double lipped P. Sifaka is weirdly wonderful. ;) ;) ;)
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Roma - your forrestii has a lovely spotted lip.
Steve - what a cracking albiflora, tremendous frills and well caught on your photos.
Paul - fabulous Pleiones!
2 forms of Pleione grandiflora (yellow) x (forrestii x humilis) = Sirena, (a tremendous Christian Leug cross).
The flowers have an almost luminous quality and all are superb in colour and size and far easier to grow than forrestii.
Pleione Edgecombe.
Sifaka with 2 lips.
More exceptional Pleiones, Pete ! Gorgeous !
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Pleione Cuxius (forrestii x albiflora) the albiflora predominating here.
Manchu Spring (Versailles "Buckleberry" x taliensis "Cangshan Strain". A Martin Hazelton plant.
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Very nice flowers Pete.
Here are two very nice Pleione Edgecombe clones and a giant thanks to you Pete.
Regards Erling
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Lovely plants, Erling.
Regarding: The European Orchid Conference and Show 2015 in London.
I'll be there tomorrow, Wednesday, judging, and then again on Friday, attending lectures and generally milling about and buying the odd orchid or three. - If you're there, please come up for a chat. :) :) :)
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Bulbocodioides 'Kunming King' is far ahead of other bulbocodoides clones, furthermore pretty pink Lucey and Captain Hook with droopy petals.
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Pleione Cuxius (forrestii x albiflora) the albiflora predominating here.
Manchu Spring (Versailles "Buckleberry" x taliensis "Cangshan Strain". A Martin Hazelton plant.
Love the Cuxius Pete !
Very nice flowers Pete.
Here are two very nice Pleione Edgecombe clones and a giant thanks to you Pete.
Regards Erling
Fantastic Edgecombe Erling !!!
Bulbocodioides 'Kunming King' is far ahead of other bulbocodoides clones, furthermore pretty pink Lucey and Captain Hook with droopy petals.
:-\ A bit worrying, these drooping petals, Nova. I had the same last year with Captain Hook and nearly lost it later in the season. I was lift with only a few small pseudobulbs. I wonder if anybody else ever experienced the same ??
Excellent bulbocodium by the way !
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Some more flowering Pleione today. It is realy high season in my cold shed :-)
-Pleione Edgecombe
-Pleione Shantung 'Barn Owl'
-Pleione Shantung 'Double Cream'
-Pleione Marion Johnson 'Bubs'
-Pleione formosana (a nice pale clone)
Regards Erling
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The last two Pleione forrestii flowering here:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7603/16836183259_7da75ce1e2_o.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8756/17086901876_8926c03509_o.jpg)
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Some more flowering Pleione today. It is realy high season in my cold shed :-)
-Pleione Edgecombe
-Pleione Shantung 'Barn Owl'
-Pleione Shantung 'Double Cream'
-Pleione Marion Johnson 'Bubs'
-Pleione formosana (a nice pale clone)
Regards Erling
Great selection of superb clones, Erling ! :o
The last two Pleione forrestii flowering here:
Gorgeous plants en pictures, Steve !!
I've got some in flower as well :
Pleione orizba 'Fish Eagle'
Pleione Shasta
Pl. shantung 'Ducat' in full swing
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Two other favorites :
Pleine Santorini
and
Pleione Santorini 'Yellow wagtail'
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A superb range of Pleione Erling & Luc!!!
My collection is limited to species and "wild" primary hybrids but already I'm struggling to find the right sort of growing space; how do you guys cope?
I would love to see some images of the frames/ greenhouses or other growing structures that people use to accomodate their collections.
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I can only agree. Wonderful and spectacular Pleiones can be seen here.
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Very familiar with struggling Steve. Pictures are from my garden summer 2013.
Last month I've moved to an apartment with a 2 x 3 m balcony, I seriously need to cut down my collection now :'(
P.S. last picture is winter storage ;D
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Pleione Alde Saran and Glacier Peak ´Fantasia´, kind gift from Daniel (Danshi), also flowering ravishing aurita.
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:-\ A bit worrying, these drooping petals, Nova. I had the same last year with Captain Hook and nearly lost it later in the season. I was lift with only a few small pseudobulbs. I wonder if anybody else ever experienced the same ??
Hello Luc,
Regarding the P. Captain Hook, I had the same experience last year. I started the season with a nice pot (5 FS bulbs + smaller bulbs) and ended the season with only two small bulbs. I thought it was due to the fact my plants were moved to a new location for the second year in a row. Since you also experienced this it could be worth to keep an eye out for other symptoms.
Greetings
Pieter
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The show at the European Orchid Conference this week included a few pleiones but there was only one of any real interest - a variegated leaf form of Pleione formosana . I have not seen this form before and thought it was quite striking. It was available from Akerne Orchids.
Paul
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At Last!
The season starts here...
P. Follifoot 'Princess Tiger'.
Not one of my favourites... but as you'll see, it does try hard to please.
Tim DH
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Nice plant and picture Tim.
You don't find a lot of these out there and as you say it does try hard to please. I personally do find it has something, I don't know what but something.
Greetings
Pieter
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hi paul i also bought a plant of this variegated pleione formosana from akern at the orchid show in london 3 years ago,results so far have been disapointing,plants grow okay, but no variegation .you comented in an earlier post about this type of variegation being unstable, sometimes disapearing,a pity as this one is quite striking. i asked akern about this at the eoc show and they have similar experiances with this plant. i noted that the plants in the large display pan had many all green shots amongst the variegated ones.it seems to be a bit hit or miss with this one rgards pseudobulb
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hi, can anyone put a name to this Pleione?
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Mark,
it looks like one of the vafrious Rakata clones, maybe 'locking stumps',
regards,
David
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David, that's an interesting reply. I had it labelled as Soufriere which it's not but the label refers to some bulbils I got from the AGS. However I do have Rakata Locking Stumps and maybe a pseudobulb has ended up in the wrong pot or the label has got swapped over. Wonder what's in the Locking Stumps pot! thanks!
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Hi Pieter,
Because Follifoot PT is so free flowering I used to grow it in big pans.. But now that there is no alpine section at the Harrogate Show for me to aim at, that way of growing, and consequently this cultivar, has become somewhat redundant to me.
Tim DH
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Too bad, Tim. It's a formidable pot !! :o
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Hi Tim,
terrific pot. Join the Hardy Orchid Society. They value displays like yours in their plant competition at their spring meeting. Date: 19th April 2015 at Kidlington, near Oxford. The address is:
Exeter Hall
Oxford Road
Kidlington
OX5 1AB
Start 10am, all day. Lots of interesting lectures.
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Pleione Gopfridstutz "Mardin" - a huge flower but droops markedly and needs propping up.
grandiflora (yellow form) x confuse, a big, nice pale yellow flower.
grandiflora (yellow form x self), also a large flower.
Indri. This has got better each year as the bulbs have got bigger.
Ueli Wackernagel, a nice form.
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Second request for identification. Candidates are P. Ueli Wackernagel and P. aurita (last years photos):
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Looks like a genuine aurita to me Ulrich.
Here's mine:
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The grandmaster of our orchid society with a small part of his collection....
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Pleione Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
(http://up.picr.de/21627255kg.jpg)
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Hi Ebbie,
Thanks for posting your Ueli Wackernagel.. One of my favourite grexes..
Hi Maren,
Thanks for the Oxford invitation… Only it’s a bit of a long bike ride from Yorkshire!
Flowering here today P.Harlequin ‘Clown’. Not a huge flower (82mm across) and the stem is a bit short too. Whilst I’m moaning, the centre/bottom of the lip doesn’t look quite right either! However I do like the two tone petals.
Tim DH
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Pleione Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
Superb pot, Ebbie !
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Thanks Tim and Luc, the Harlequin 'Clown' is also fine.
The good old Pleione Shantung 'Ducat':
(http://up.picr.de/21658236gt.jpg)
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Hallo Khadija,
thanks for your answer to my request for identification. I've taken your opinion and labeled the plant accordingly.
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... but there was only one of any real interest - a variegated leaf form of Pleione formosana . I have not seen this form before and thought it was quite striking. It was available from Akerne Orchids.
Paul
Hi Paul,
I bought one of these variegated forms years ago for a lot of money and the variegation disappeared the next year. Maybe it was just an incident of chlorosis. Such is life. :) >:( :)
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Hi Maren,
Your experience with this variegated plant seems to be the experience of several other people too. I have seen several variegated pleiones over the years, but all so far have been unstable, either reverting to green permanently or having variegation some years but not others. I wonder sometimes with these commercially available ones if the plants are actually treated in some way to make them variegated for sale but that the treatment wears off the next year. A bit akin to orchids that have been died (like blue-dyed Phalaenopsis) perhaps?
Paul
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Pleione Alishan 'Mount Fuji' (1)
Pleione 'Asama' (2)
Pleione Jorullo 'Long Tailed Tit' (3)
Pleione Marion Johnson 'Bubs' (4)
Pleione Lhasa 'Blushes' (5)
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Pleione 'Rakata' (1)
Pleione 'Shantung Ducat' (2)
Pleione x Barbarae (3)
Pleione x Barbarae (4)
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Pleione formosana (1)
Pleione formosana (2)
Pleione chunii (3)
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Johan, sehr schön!
As a matter of interest, what are you president of? :) :) :)
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Johan, sehr schön!
As a matter of interest, what are you president of? :) :) :)
If I may reply for the modest Mr Keulemans : Johan is President of our sister society, the Flemish Rock Garden Club - http://www.vrvforum.be/ (http://www.vrvforum.be/) the VRV - Vlaamse Rotsplanten Vereniging 8)
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Hi Maggi,
thank you. It's nice to know.
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Of course You may that Maggi. I find it very kind and easy.
Thanks (Dank U) for the compliment Maren.
Always nice to meet new people.
For this moment I have a Pleionebench. :)
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For this moment I have a Pleionebench. :)
:D :) That's fun
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Definitely better than a rocking chair. ;D ;D ;D
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Still trying to ‘whittle down’ the Marco Polo seedlings! Maybe this year I’ll ‘bite the bullet’ and drop a few more. This is one that won’t be dropped….. H168.2...
What do other people look for in a cultivar? This one scores for me with decent stem length, decent size (here 89mm across) erect top petal, upward facing flower and non-droopy side petals. It is, however, not free flowering.
I am surprised by the variation in these seedlings.. Given that they are presumed hexaploid, (and one parent is a species) I would have expected them to be quite uniform.
Tim DH
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Hello Tim,
I would add the ability to bulk up in number quickly and a reasonably long lived flower, such as in Piton. I am not too bothered about the stem length as long as it can support the flower, unlike say many Eiger clones.
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Pleione 'Toff' (1)
Pleione Vesuvius 'Phoenix' (2)
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This pan of Pleione, held by it's happy growers, Margaret and Francis Higgins, won the Forrest Medal for the most meritorious plant in the SRGC Show at Nairn yesterday - photo from Sandy Leven
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This pan of Pleione, held by it's happy growers, Margaret and Francis Higgins, won the Forrest Medal for the most meritorious plant in the SRGC Show at Nairn yesterday - photo from Sandy Leven
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OMG.... :o :o :o :o
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Hi Maggi,
do you know which pleione it is?
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Magnificent!
Wow.
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Hi Maggi,
do you know which pleione it is?
No, Maren, I'm told it was only labelled as "Pleione var." - some thought that it might be 'Tongariro'
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two unexpected species
the Pleinoe chunii is mixed in P. grandiflora
and the second which I thought to be P. yunnanensis turn out to be P. X taliensis （？）
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Pleione x confusa
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8786/17115226018_8a658c4ae0_o.jpg)
Three different forms of Pleione grandiflora
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8769/17302988655_f2d508e676_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7711/17302519481_559221de40_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7677/17115226908_9883be073d_o.jpg)
Does anyone have the yellow-flowered form of Pleione grandiflora for sale?
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I was tempted by a pot of the Anthura "grandiflora hybrids" at Harrogate, big bright flowers, big bulbs, albeit three definite forms in the same pot, very cheap, what was there to dislike, other than the usual problem of what actually are they?
As they were bone dry I thought that it would be o.k. to separate them and repot them into the three forms, which I suppose represent the original three plants placed in the pot. This proved very easy as there was next to no new root growth.
But back to the usual question. The name Glacier Peak was being mentioned earlier in the discussion, but looking at Paul's excellent website, grandiflora is incredibly variable and certainly there are pictures of plants which match these plants seemingly perfectly. Then I compared one of flowers on one of the new bulbs with the flowers on the supposed grandiflora yellow lip that I bought at the London Orchid Show last year. Identical. Next I looked at the photographs of Glacier Peak, plus the pot of flowers which have originated from a single bulb that I bought from Maren at the first London show I attended, in 2009? Identical to one of the forms.
Result, I now have three nice pots labelled grandiflora???
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A new flowering for me, coronaria x Edgecombe. I am a little disappointed by it, I hoped for a better lip colour.
My favourite Edgecombe.
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Pete, I have to agree about the coronaria x Edgecombe, but the selected Edgecombe is wonderful! Still the best cross ever made in my book.
Alex
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Why I love Pleione! How much colour can you get in a 6 x4?
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Wow! :o
Now that's what I call a collection. :D
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I blame it all on my "stamp collector" tendency.
The good thing is that in a couple of weeks they will allbe going outside!
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Hi,
Here's a picture of my ( humble ) Pleione formosana
JP
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I'm sorry for the mistake. The plant is most probably P. Piton.
Thanks to Steve
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Pleione formosana on a few spots in the garden.
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Pleione bulbocodioides is getting started outside in its hollow stem - it seems to enjoy the company of Corydalis flexuosa 'Blue Panda'
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Hi Luc,
I like your log grown bulbocodiodes.. How long have they been in there? Do you cover it in winter to stop it getting too soggy?
Tim DH
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Thanks Tim,
They're just in their 4th flowering season in that position now.
The log is completely hollow (also at the bottom) and filled with bark.
I don't give any protection at all except some netting to keep the cats away in certain seasons...
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We talked about variegated pleiones some time ago and I said that mine had lost their variegation. Well, this is another occasion on which I have to eat my words. Just discovered a variegated Pln formosana. It sort of got lost among the other formosanas and I was going to throw it out because of its inferior flowers, until I discovered the variegation. I still think it's nothing much to shout about.
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Emptied the winter quarters today in the hope that there will be no more frosts :-\
Most of these are Pleione x barbarae and P. x taliensis but there is also P. aurita, P. 'Fuego' and P. 'Stromboli Fireball'.
I have been selecting colour forms of x barbarae and x taliensis for the past two years but haven't had the opportunity to continue this year due to the imminent house move.
Hopefully we will be settled by next year to continue.
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Quick beginners question ...
Anyone know what is going wrong here? Looks like I have purchased Chives rather than a bunch of mixed aged
Pleiones. Everyone on the thread has leaves or flowers. Not too bothered by the lack of flowers but some leaves would be nice ???
(http://hud357.homenet.org/orch/PleoChive.jpg)
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A rather late flowering Pl. Lucy.
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Very nice Pete.
Regards Erling
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Quick beginners question ...
Anyone know what is going wrong here? Looks like I have purchased Chives rather than a bunch of mixed aged
Pleiones. Everyone on the thread has leaves or flowers. Not too bothered by the lack of flowers but some leaves would be nice ???
Were they very small bulbs? If so I find these start into growth later than the flowering size ones but these small leaves would be nothing to worry about.
Alternatively are these growths coming from the very top of the old bulb? If so I am afraid something has gone wrong! Your compost looks very dry and I cannot quite fathom what it is. Bark and perlite?
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Were they very small bulbs? If so I find these start into growth later than the flowering size ones but these small leaves would be nothing to worry about.
Alternatively are these growths coming from the very top of the old bulb? If so I am afraid something has gone wrong! Your compost looks very dry and I cannot quite fathom what it is. Bark and perlite?
They are mixed sizes, bulbils to a cm or so. The growths are from the sides.
People generally suggested keeping them dry until they in obvious growth. I think I might have taken this advice a bit too far ::)
The compost is a mix of bark and cat litter. I'm a bit heavy handed at watering time so I tend toward very open mixes for all my plants.
I've just put them out in the rain to see if that helps.
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If the biggest bulb was only a cm then I do not think that you have any cause for concern, they will not make huge leaves this year. I only know a few cultivars which would even think about flowering on anything that small.
I think that your compost might become a little high maintainance if the summer is hot, and I doubt that anyone could be more heavy handed than me at watering time. ;D
After discussions with my Pleione "Guru" I am becoming more and more sold on neat sphagnum moss. We both found that the so called hard species like forrestii and aurita liked it, so tried the easy ones in it and found it worked.
A final word of advice, unless it is all about the challenge for you, I would think about buying flowering size bulbs. I think they are easier to grow, and if you get a good doer they will bulk up very quickly so that you will get a good potful of flowering plants just as quickly as you would by buying small bulbs, without waiting a few years for the first flower. I would only buy bulbils / small bulbs of a clone which was either not available as full size or was very very expensive.
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I know nothing of orchid taxonomy and the sum total of my Pleione knowledge could be transcribed onto a pleione pollinium with room to spare, but Pleione x barbarae troubles me greatly.
Conventional wisdom states that it is a natural hybrid between Pl. grandiflora and bulbocodioides and that the highly variable appearance is due to many different clones in cultivation derived from presumed hybrid swarms.
I grow a number of "x barbarae" bought from various sources but the original provenance of these plants is not known to me. Below are four examples showing the considerable variation.
The first two came via Germany from a Chinese nursery and were sold as "Pleione tibeticum" -I suspect they were wild-collected (but could be man-made hybrids for all I know).
The third came from Maren Talbot and looking at it I can easily convince myself that its parents were Pl. grandiflora and Pl. bulbocodioides.
The fourth plant has been named "x barbarae Clown" -I bought it from David Llewelyn.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5464/17682421379_163ea255a5_o.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5349/17868691755_c12674788c_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7699/17682423299_ec0eb4d6b4_o.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5321/17682422029_91b54a3579_o.jpg)
Is Pleione x barbarae a discrete entity or is it a taxonomic basket containing a number of "natural hybrids" and possibly even new species?
Or should I get a life? ;)
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Hi Steve,
Like you I have no real knowledge on Pleione taxonomy.
I purchased a group of x barbarae from Minor Garden and another group from David Llewelyn and currently have selected seven variations. There are more in the group pots but I haven't had time to separate them out this year. They seem infinitely variable. ::)
And of course confused by 'Pink' P. grandiflora.
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If the biggest bulb was only a cm then I do not think that you have any cause for concern, they will not make huge leaves this year. I only know a few cultivars which would even think about flowering on anything that small.
I think that your compost might become a little high maintainance if the summer is hot, and I doubt that anyone could be more heavy handed than me at watering time. ;D
After discussions with my Pleione "Guru" I am becoming more and more sold on neat sphagnum moss. We both found that the so called hard species like forrestii and aurita liked it, so tried the easy ones in it and found it worked.
A final word of advice, unless it is all about the challenge for you, I would think about buying flowering size bulbs. I think they are easier to grow, and if you get a good doer they will bulk up very quickly so that you will get a good potful of flowering plants just as quickly as you would by buying small bulbs, without waiting a few years for the first flower. I would only buy bulbils / small bulbs of a clone which was either not available as full size or was very very expensive.
OK, they have now been transplanted into live sphag. They only had a cm of root at best so it was easy to move them without damage. I can't speak for the plants but I feel better already.
It wasn't about the challenge, more about not buying an expensive plant only to kill it through inexperience. Looking back I probably should have gone for a mature plant. If they survive the season then I will go for something bigger.
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Good to see that I am not the only one amassing a very variable collection of supposedly Pleione x barbarae.
I am tending towards the Heinz 57 theory myself, not denying that there is a natural hybrid which can be so called, just assuming that what is for sale under that name might not all be correctly labelled. In some clones there seems to be definite hints of yunnanensis and I have one which would pass muster in amidst a set of formosana clones.
But assuming that x barbarae is a hybrid between grandiflora and bulbocodioides there will inevitably be a lot of variation as both species are variable in themselves, and I notice that Paul Cumbleton on his excellent website says that the geneticists think it is a cross between grandiflora and bulbocodioides (or some similar species). Paul's words not mine. Cue more variability.
I also assume that all the different clones now appearing on the market are in fact man made remakes, and not wild collected, and given the confusion that exists over what is a grandiflora who is to say that the parents used in the cross were pure breds?
What is not in question is that there are some very vigorous and striking plants available. I particularly like the last two that Steve posted.
Graham, I always thought the Pink grandiflora was barbarae. ???
Never have I used the word assume so often. The scientist in me hates it.
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OK, they have now been transplanted into live sphag. They only had a cm of root at best so it was easy to move them without damage. I can't speak for the plants but I feel better already.
It wasn't about the challenge, more about not buying an expensive plant only to kill it through inexperience. Looking back I probably should have gone for a mature plant. If they survive the season then I will go for something bigger.
On boy! Just hope the use of sphagnum works as well for you as it does for me. I suspect that others on here will be recoiling in horror at the thought.
Get something simple to start with, Tongariro springs to mind. At £3 a bulb you can afford to make mistakes, but they are very forgiving. I was given one about eight years back and now have hundreds. The tray to the right in the photos is one of three with my smaller bulbs in. I thought about chucking them, but as always ended up planting them even though I don't have room. They are outside at the moment as they live on the greenhouse floor and I have to bring them out before I can get in. Just hope we don't get any more of yesterday's downpours. I have just realised that they were on the floor in full flower when I posted a picture of my greenhouse on April 30, so here we are three weeks later and they are just starting to go over. One advantage of this cooler weather I suppose.
A couple of other cheap, readily available good doers are formosana Oriental Splendour and Fuego.
By the way the bark is just the remains of a top dressing I put on for uniformity in a display. I took most of it off when I got home but then gave up trying to recycle it. Beneath it is pure sphagnum. I am not fibbing.
Just noticed that my anti-cat door frame is behind the pots, which means that it isn't where it should be. Better put it in place before my old girl decides that it is too cold outside and tries to curl up on the plants. ;D ;D ;D
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A nice form of Pleione aurita
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8838/17910647168_82b7ac0c6d_o_d.jpg)
Two forms of Pleione chunii
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(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7766/18095323372_b31da9dbda_o_d.jpg)
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I find the bulbocodioides/limprichtii complex to be very confusing.
The first image is of an old clone of Pleione bulbocodioides that has been in cultivation for some time apparently (Chugai).
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7784/17912481169_1c20b8b9ff_o.jpg)
The second image is (I think) another Pleione bulbocodiodes:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8773/18095275742_85efedbb19_o.jpg)
The third image is of a plant that I obtained as Pleione limprichtii. It looks to me to be a Pleione bulbocodioides and does not have four obvious lamellae.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7733/18072211946_747c700b46_o.jpg)
The final plant was bought from a German source as Pleione bilamellata. I'm not sure if there really is such a beast. This plant has two obvious lamellae but the form of the pseudobulb is very slender and flask-like, the opposite of that noted in the formal description of Pleione bilamellata. To me this looks like another bulbocodioides but I would like to be wrong as the original pseudobulb wasn't that cheap! :o
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8780/17912482709_cc2244a82c_o.jpg)
What do you think?
Are these all Pleione bulbocodioides or something else? ???
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I cannot see anything in the four photos which screams limprichtii at me.
As for Pleione bilamellata, searching the web for photos leaves me thinking hybrid, man made or natural I cannot say, or maybe I am being kind and it is just another commercial invention.
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Pleione coronaria Views of a single flower and a small group; the latter taken not long before dusk -which accentuates the blue-violet colours.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8833/18095542022_976a418a4b_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7772/18095542892_d442bb8263_o.jpg)
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On boy! Just hope the use of sphagnum works as well for you as it does for me. I suspect that others on here will be recoiling in horror at the thought.
Well it has been a week and a half ...
(http://hud357.homenet.org/orch/PleoSphag.jpg)
Much improved from the 'twigs' that I had earlier :)
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Pleione coronaria Views of a single flower and a small group; the latter taken not long before dusk -which accentuates the blue-violet colours.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8833/18095542022_976a418a4b_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7772/18095542892_d442bb8263_o.jpg)
Stunning photo's of a gorgeous plant, Steve ! Congratulations ! :o :o
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Fantastic pictures and a wonderfull Pleione coronaria. You are a lucky man Steve.
Regards Erling
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Pleione hui -a mainland Chinese form of Pleione formosana and a bonny wee thing that may not however warrant specific status.
Here in Fife it is known as Pleione shuggy! ;-)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7783/18381839691_28ee0ce225_o.jpg)
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Okay, I've got to ask (someone has to). Why Plieone 'shuggy' ?
Don't remember that being an accepted form of nomenclature. ::)
Nice plant though.....
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Okay, I've got to ask (someone has to). Why Plieone 'shuggy' ?
Don't remember that being an accepted form of nomenclature. ::)
Nice plant though.....
Tee Hee! I love it when the SRGC forum actually has a truly Scottish joke, even if it does puzzle everyone else..... ...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Is it something to do with dancing? I would have expected that to be 'shoogle'? ???
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In Scotland Shug (Shuggie) is the common nickname for Hugh (Hughie).
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Aha! Now it all makes sense. :D
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Aha! Now it all makes sense. :D
But of course! We Scots are a very sensible people !
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The last of the Spring-flowering Pleiones to flower here.
Pleione scopulorum a semi-alba clone called "Selene".
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/260/18842693058_e2d565b2a4_o_d.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/461/19033469621_60c2d9f7b6_o_d.jpg)
Pleione hookeriana
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/487/18842635140_d3b5505b7a_o_d.jpg)
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Steve, beautiful and super photographs
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Mainly for SteveC2 ...
I think the Sphag idea seems to be working just fine ;D
A month and a half to get from this ...
(http://hud357.homenet.org/orch/PleoChive.jpg)
To this ...
(http://hud357.homenet.org/orch/PleoSphag2.jpg)
Thanks for that. Very helpful.
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Just watch out in this hot weather. Don't let it dry out completely as rewetting is difficult.
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I live close to the Pennines so water isn't usually much of a problem. They are currently getting a good soaking. I suspect that their biggest problem tonight might be getting hit by lightning :o
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saxicola and praecox season!although most of the plants still hold their flower buds, it seems earlier for these two plants.
it's my first saxicola[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
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Hello Vigor,
that P. praecox is very early. Mine are still in glorious leaf and not showing any sign of flower buds. But I have great expectations. :) :) :)
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Hello all
Here is my forst autumn flowering Pleione this year. Pleione Slender Loris.
Regards Erling
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Hi Erling,
Nice Slender Loris ;)
I have my autumn flowering pleiones still in full growth and they just start to develop flower-buds.
I've read on your FB, that you've had perfect weather this year.
Here in Czech Republic we've had really terrible weather so far. In mid of July the temperature touched +42°C in my greenhouse and all summer doesn't drop below 30 (today is 36,5°C).
However almost all pleiones look very good (included coolest plants as P. hookeriana), just several small bulbs or bulbils died, and also attempt with P. forrestii tied on the bark wasn't successful. However P. maculata and peacox go very nice on the bark in this tropical year.
K.
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Hi Erling,
That's early. Like Karel, my plants are still growing and show no signs of flowering yet.
Karel: It has been sligtly colder here ;D
Regards
Lars
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Hi Karel and Lars
Yes, the summer here i DK has been cooler that normal. This has been nice for the Pleione, but my skin color has suffered a bit :-) ;-) ;-)
Karel, what do you do to keep temperature down in these weather conditions? I grow all my Pleione outside from May to Oktober/November, and if it is too hot, I water the ground under my growing area. Also the cotton blankets in my plastic growing boxes, are kept wet. That gives a nice moist inviroment, and keep the temperatur down a bit
I have Pleione Confirmation flowering right now, and Pleione x lagenaria in a day or so. It realy is very early this year. Almost all Pleione praecox and Pleione Semeru have buds, but will take one or two weeks yet to flower. I am looking forward to see Pleione Semeru flowering. I have not yet found pictures of that clone on the internet yet.
Regards Erling
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Hi all
For comparison, this is my Pleione xlagenaria...... no difference what so ever ;) ;) ;)
But very nice anyway.
Regards Erling
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If it's a Butterfield creation and there is no picture on the web, try me. You'll be amazed what you may find. ;) ;) ;)
Pleione Semeru, pictures taken in October last year at Ian Butterfield's nursery.
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If it's a Butterfield creation and there is no picture on the web, try me. You'll be amazed what you may find. ;) ;) ;)
Pleione Semeru, pictures taken in October last year at Ian Butterfield's nursery.
:D ;D :) 8)
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Hi Erling,
It's funny that yours are so far ahead of mine. No buds in sight. In xLagenaria i can see the shoots getting green, but that's it.
Kind regards
Lars
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Hi Maren
Yes, why on earth did I not ask you. Thank you very much for posting the Semeru pictures. Mine are in bud, but it will stil take around two weeks before flowering. So one could call this a sneak peak. I am still looking forward, I seem to remember that they come with a sent - am I right?
@Lars
Yes, it seems a bit odd, since we live only a mile or two apart. Mine started a bit early this last winter. Maybe I kept them a bit too warm.
Some of them are still in growth, but also showing buds. But they have all grown good strong big bulbs, all beside Pleione praecox 'alba'. I do not have much succes with that one. Still the same size as last year, and no extra bulbs :-X :-X.
Regards Erling
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If it's a Butterfield creation and there is no picture on the web, try me. You'll be amazed what you may find. ;) ;) ;)
Pleione Semeru, pictures taken in October last year at Ian Butterfield's nursery.
Are you going to be selling some Pleione off come November?
I have managed to get my (last years) e-bay ones growing really well but was advised to get some mature 'bulbs' next time. Looks like you had some nice plants for sale last year.
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Hello all
I have been contacted by a grower from Norway. He has bought some Pleione bulbs this year. The bulbs were rather small, but the funny thing is, that they are flowering right now. He thinks they are Pleione limprictii, but for me it could just as well be Pleione plenioides.
1) Has any of you have experience with Pleione flowering at the "wrong" time a year?
2) Any guess of species?
I have asked him from where he got it, but he don't know from where, since the seller do not reply on mail. I know that both limprictii and plenioides can be late flowering..... but as late as this??
I attach the picture he has taken,
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Regards Erling
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It would be interesting to know if these plants have had their leaves all summer or if they are just beginning to grow. They don't look much like either of the species that you have mentioned to me, but that could be just due to photo quality. If you are correct, then in Norway he is going to have an interesting time building up a new bulb before they go dormant. If that is a leaf stalk on the right hand side could they be an autumn / spring hybrid? Barcena or Tarawera perhaps, although it is very early for those and the photo doesn't look right to me.
Early or late? Very strange indeed.
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Hello Steve and all
Yes, strange indeed. I have had a mail form the norwigian grower. He send some more pictures and some information. The plants still have leaves. The leaves are very narrow, bulbs are very small. I attach two new pictures.
I agree with you Steve, it will be almost impossible to build up an prober bulb, unless he keep it warm over the winter. Maybe you can have to Pleione collections, one following the northern Hemisphere, and one following the southern Hemisphere. That would mean that there will be flowers all year around. :D ;D
Question is, has anyone had pleione flowering on the "wrong" time a year??.
I was wondering if the plant was sold to him from south of Equator (Australia or ....) it will think it is spring in Norway?? Just a wild guess ??? ??? ???
Regards Erling
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Hi Erling,
I had the same experience in 2009: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3027.285 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3027.285)
Unfortunately, my plant died shortly after flowering.
The plant of Norwegian colleague is P. bulbocodioides.
K.
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Hi karel_t
Thanks for your reply. I have passed it on to Norway. He said thanks, and he will try and give the plant a mild winter with some light. The he hopes for the best.
Regards Erling
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Hello hud357,
yes, I shall be selling again in November. I also put a link to Ian Butterfield's catalogue elsewhere on this website.
It has been a great year for pleione growing, nice and cool but enough light to keep them happy. Mine don't show any interest in going to sleep yet, and there are masses of bulbils.
Growth is slowing down so I am careful with the watering and I am also reducing feed a little. At this time of year I am using diluted tomato food (high potash) to ripen the bulbs. :)
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A couple of questions:
I am interested to know how useful you feel bulb shape / colour is for identification purposes.
Do you feel able to identify many Pleione just by looking at the bulbs? Obviously the winter flowerers look different, formosana Clare has a distinct pale green colour, and Wharfedale Pine Warbler is almost black, but what about others?
Do all bulbs of a particular hybrid have roughly the same shape? I would expect named clones to be very similar but what about the bulbs in an unselected mix of any hybrid?
I will explain my reasons for asking if I get any replies!
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As it happens , there are a new set of photos of various colchicum and related corms, here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13574.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13574.0) which may be of interest in this question, SteveC2 :)
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Sorry Maggi, specifically Pleione that I am interested in. That's why I posted it in the Pleione section ;D ;D ;D
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Oh well, the subject of differences in bulbs and corms of other plants may be of interest to some readers.
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Hello hud357,
yes, I shall be selling again in November. I also put a link to Ian Butterfield's catalogue elsewhere on this website.
It has been a great year for pleione growing, nice and cool but enough light to keep them happy. Mine don't show any interest in going to sleep yet, and there are masses of bulbils.
Growth is slowing down so I am careful with the watering and I am also reducing feed a little. At this time of year I am using diluted tomato food (high potash) to ripen the bulbs. :)
I shall keep my eyes open and my mouse moving.
Out of interest ... Is forrestii difficult? I want one but not to see it just deteriorate. My current 'un-named' seem to be doing well but I'm not sure that I'm yet ready to enter the 'species league'.
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A couple of questions:
I am interested to know how useful you feel bulb shape / colour is for identification purposes.
Do you feel able to identify many Pleione just by looking at the bulbs? Obviously the winter flowerers look different, formosana Clare has a distinct pale green colour, and Wharfedale Pine Warbler is almost black, but what about others?
Do all bulbs of a particular hybrid have roughly the same shape? I would expect named clones to be very similar but what about the bulbs in an unselected mix of any hybrid?
I will explain my reasons for asking if I get any replies!
While there might be common traits of a particular cross, I'm guessing that (not for Pleione in particular, I don't have the experience) there are so many factors that influence growth or flowers that you would never be able to 'stick a pin' in a particular plant.
I say this because I have some plants that, depending upon where I put them in the growing season, are fairly random. Random bulb colour/size, random flower shape/size/colour.
Even with a true species I guess that this is common. Once you get into hybrids ...
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Hi Steve,
There are several species we can recognise only by shape of bulb as P. maculata, praecox, saxicola, humilis, forrestii and albiflora. There is more difficult with limprichtii, pleionoides and bulbocodioides or chunii and aurita or grandiflora and x barbarae, etc. In hybrids is really big mess in bulbs shape and colour, mainly with multi-hybrids.
K.
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Thanks Karel. I forgot saxicola which must be just about the most distinctively shaped bulb of all, and humilis with its long neck.
Now I suppose I should explain my question. Last year I bought three different clones of a certain primary hybrid. All three have grown well, right next to each other in identical compost. One has produced large flat pale green bulbs. The other two have made huge elongated bulbs. Now I appreciate that there will be genetic differences between the different clones but I never expected such a variation and the alarm bells started ringing in my head. I just wondered if such variation in a hybrid was normal.
I contacted one of the sellers weeks ago and finally recieved an email this afternoon which revealed that the identity of two of my original bulbs was based on a photographic comparison of flower pictures which of course means that it is pretty unreliable. Can't grumble about such healthy bulbs, especially as I did not pay much for them, and I appreciate the honesty of the seller, but I have put a huge question mark on the labels of two pots. I just wish people would not try to identify unknown plants such as Pleione from Internet pictures when they are planning to sell them.
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Hud, just my personal experience, but I find forrestii tricky, and given its relative expense might not recommend it as one to start with. I have twice got my colonies into double figures and then lost the lot, (still not quite sure why, possibly too wet in the autumn). If you like the yellow, Shantung Ducat is far more forgiving, vigourous and a better bet, but still expensive.
P.S. Of course this talk of expense is all relative. We are not talking albiflora or coronaria here. I just can't bring myself to shell out £90 for a single bulb. No doubt the mice would home in on it.
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Steve, In primary hybrids are generally very few clones and variability of bulbs is small, or they are uniform regardless clone. In multihybrids is large variability in both the number of clones, and the difference in colour and size of bulbs. Each multihybrid clone may be influenced by any parent in the previous hybridisation line.
K.
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Hi Steve,
I live in fear of my labelled pots becoming ‘contaminated’! This could happen by a few routes. For instance, occasionally a blackbird, or something, takes a liking to a pot scattering the contents far & wide. Also with some cultivars, the dried leaves of bulbils develop a hook, which makes a bulbils accidental transfer to another pot possible.
On three occasions, at repotting, I have noticed a seriously odd bulb, when compared to its supposed sisters These have been re-planted separately. On only one occasion was the rogue bulb not true to type.
So my experience would be that even mono clonal selections of pleione, whilst in general having a family resemblance, can be strikingly different in bulb form.
I guess that’s no help at all!!
Tim DH
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Very helpful actually Tim, and thanks for the answer. It had never crossed my mind about "contamination" by blackbirds but I think you have just answered my question as to how a Shantung Ducat turned up in with my Tongariros.
When the bulbs are outside I often find bulbs that have been pulled right out of the pots even quite well into the season. The ones in the greenhouse seem less attractive than the Disas, I gave away loads of those last year as I had no idea which variety they were after the birds had finished.
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Which brings me to ask some questions directed at those with far more experience ...
Is there a 'fast track' evolution path that would have had Darwin scribbling furiously were he around today?
The reason I ask is that I was trying to get some (growing) information on Cattleya x Silvana. I have to admit to getting really confused. Supposedly a hybrid, it seems that it has its own niche in nature and comes true from seed (fast track evolution?). Traits I would consider the very definition of a species.
I know from my own seed raising experience that a batch can throw up distant ancestors. I'm not going to name the species for fear of starting an 'internet war'. But here goes ... A long time ago I obtained seed (named location and species) from a supplier with a reputation second to none. One of the seedlings (which I still have) is certainly a hybrid. Great, great grandparent re-appearing in the line? My point here is that the whole 'line' is 'contaminated'. Everyone exchanging plants from this particular line are exchanging something else. Not a species, a hybrid. However distant.
I do wonder just how many 'species' are traded, in good faith, that are actually hybrids (however distant). Perhaps the 'contamination' is often of natural origin and no Blackbirds were involved.
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Hi Tim,
What you say is so true. Bulbil hooks also attach themselves to the fur of mice as they scamper along or over the pots. Years later an alien bulb comes up in a labelled pot or tray. That's why it is always safest to buy flower sized bulbs in the hope that their 'mothers' have already flowered once and been identified.
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Hud, just my personal experience, but I find forrestii tricky, and given its relative expense might not recommend it as one to start with. I have twice got my colonies into double figures and then lost the lot, (still not quite sure why, possibly too wet in the autumn). If you like the yellow, Shantung Ducat is far more forgiving, vigourous and a better bet, but still expensive.
P.S. Of course this talk of expense is all relative. We are not talking albiflora or coronaria here. I just can't bring myself to shell out £90 for a single bulb. No doubt the mice would home in on it.
OK - I will stick with hybrids for now. My default position with all new 'lines'.
As to expense - I was recently looking at a 'snowdrop' at £250/bulb when my jaw hit the desk. This isn't to suggest that growers or breeders wouldn't recognise the value but me, as a casual observer, well ...
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Hi Hud,
The classic example of what you refer to is P. x confusa… so called because it was passed round as P. forrestii for half a century! A problem which continues into the second generation with some people not sure if their P. x confusa is actually a P. Shantung ‘Ducat’!!
Apart from that… you also seem to be referring to ‘hybrid swarms’. A more common problem with Dactylorhiza, where it can be very hard to draw lines between the various species. Although half a dozen natural hybrids of Pleione are recognized, I’ve not heard them being described as ‘hybrid swarms’.
Tim DH
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the real pleione praecox season is coming ;)
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Hi Hud,
The classic example of what you refer to is P. x confusa… so called because it was passed round as P. forrestii for half a century! A problem which continues into the second generation with some people not sure if their P. x confusa is actually a P. Shantung ‘Ducat’!!
Apart from that… you also seem to be referring to ‘hybrid swarms’. A more common problem with Dactylorhiza, where it can be very hard to draw lines between the various species. Although half a dozen natural hybrids of Pleione are recognized, I’ve not heard them being described as ‘hybrid swarms’.
Tim DH
x confusa does sound partly like what I had in mind. It would probably only be identified as a hybrid by someone growing on a huge batch of (x self) seedlings and noticing that one or two look a bit 'suspicious'.
Another problem might be that of 'hybrid vigour' where a natural hybrid soon outstrips the native species to become dominant. Something I wouldn't be surprised to find in a Dactylorhiza population. An even bigger 'problem' might be where the successful seedling tends to favour one of the parents over the other making visual identification near impossible.
My main question was more about some kind of 'fast track' evolution. One where the offspring of a particular cross takes to a new niche and all of its offspring tend toward the dominant traits of the successful cross. Over a relatively short time span (relative to waiting for Finch beaks to change) would this not constitute a new species? One that would only be 'exposed' as a hybrid by somebody 'selfing' the plant and then growing to maturity thousands of seedlings looking for the one or two offspring that might expose the original cross. Something unlikely to happen.
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Finally, the first automn flowering has opened: xLagenaria. Like everything else in my garden, it has been much later than usual.
Kind regards
Lars
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Hi Hud,
Don’t forget that the concept of ’species’ is an artificial construction, created to help us better understand the natural world. In some situations the idea of species works quite well, but in some situations it doesn’t. One area it doesn’t work too well is the whole grey area of forming ‘new species’!
Despite Darwin’s seminal book being about how new species arise, I’m not aware of any new species having arisen since its publication!!!
Tim DH
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P. maculata and P. praecox without spot on its lip（the green pseudobulbs are also different from the normal ones）
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Hi all
Finnaly Pleione Semeru flowered. A very large flower with a fantastic scent.
Erling
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Congratulations, Erling, it's so nice to see this one in flower.
Yours must be the only one, well, at least on this forum. ;) ;) :)
How would you say does this compare with P. praecox? is it bigger, better, more scented?
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P.' Semeru' is, I learn from a previous Butterfield list, a hybrid of P. 'Lassen Peak' x P. praecox with "large dark mauve pink flowers with yellow and brown inside the lip. Flowers are fragrant."
I also discover that P. 'Lassen Peak' is itself a P. praecox x P. x lagenaria hybrid.
I hope readers will be interested in the parentage of these plants.
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Hello
Pleione Semeru flower start out more or less looking like Pleione praecox, but very fast goes darker and much more intense. It sure is a very large flower with a fantastic scent. Here is a pot with flowers that have been open for a week or so, together with a flower that have only been opend for a day. Quite a big difference.
Regards Erling
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Pleione saxicola -from a couple of weeks ago.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5721/22473446985_2d6ef2d8bb_c_d.jpg)
Pleione maculata -originally of Chinese provenance.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5763/22285487480_c6f9bc4431_c_d.jpg)
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Hi Steve,
lovely pleiones, great pictures.
My P. maculata are beginning to open. Lots of flowers this year, often two per bulb but, disappointingly, the flowers are hidden beneath a forest of greenish/brownish leaves and I don't have the heart to cut them off. Sigh. :(
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Pleione praecox of Chinese provenance.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5735/22061789824_0a697d9d8a_c_d.jpg)
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Pleione Confirmation ... presumably. It came to me as P. praecox, and is unlikely to be X lagenaria.
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My autumn Pleione
Pleione Liz Shan
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/pleione%20novembre%202015%20001_zpsj8abu0lb.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/pleione%20novembre%202015%20001_zpsj8abu0lb.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0115_zpst3j8pexi.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0115_zpst3j8pexi.jpg.html)
Pleione x lagenaria
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0101_zpsoostcixs.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0101_zpsoostcixs.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0099_zpsdqzusld7.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0099_zpsdqzusld7.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0113_zpsekyjiyp2.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0113_zpsekyjiyp2.jpg.html)
Pleione Confirmation
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0095_zpshkxjspqd.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0095_zpshkxjspqd.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0092_zpsftetcyuu.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0092_zpsftetcyuu.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0111_zps5g6ua7st.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0111_zps5g6ua7st.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/DSC_0102_zpstppbklcd.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/DSC_0102_zpstppbklcd.jpg.html)
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Beautiful plants Julien 8)
Does Liz Shan darken much as the flower ages?
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Just had a message from a friend in Germany telling me that my picture of Pleione Whakari 'Dusky Sunbird', which I posted here to illustrate Ian Butterfield's new hybrids, was being used by someone selling pleiones on ebay.de. Not only did this person use the picture with the wrong plant, he also managed to misspell the name.
The culprit trades under pleiones-for-you on ebay.de, and he lives in York. His website says he sells worldwide. Hmm, interesting - I doubt that he provides CITES and Phytosanitary certificates, as is required by law for sales of orchids outside the EU.
When looking at ebay for other pleione sales, I discovered that someone else had stolen my picture of Pleione Tongariro from the pricelist on my website (http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk). It was unmistakable: the pleiones were in a large basket on my lawn.
Sigh. >:(
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Unfortunately, this is a great habit on eBay and not only from a seller. Joy of mine have also been reimbursed for their Cypripedium images display, and ebay notified nevertheless is "happily" carried on. The authenticity of the varieties often not true. I found there already Cymbidium pictures of my plants.
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Still people are stealing photos! I am especially suspicious that such people are ever likely to sell the correct items.
I'd contact them, pronto, Maren - with an invoice for photo use if nothing else!
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I contacted them alright and asked them to remove the pictures. I also raised a negative comment on their website. I don't want to be paid for the picture they misused, that does not address the misuse.
I just wanted to make sure that the culprits know they have been found out and whatever comes their way - they've had it coming.
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I wasn't thinking you'd want to be paid - just that it would be a shock to them to get an invoice for their theft !
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Hi, one of the culprits has now withdrawn his listing on ebay, claiming that it has finished. This was after an ill tempered exchange where he claimed that he had not stolen my picture, he had found it....
The other, a German seller, sent me quite a polite message claiming that he received my picture from his Belgian supplier of Pleiones. I shall investigate.
I have also downloaded the ebay complaint form, which I shall post tomorrow. Apparently ebay has a process for dealing with theft of images, and it may result in the culprit being barred from placing further listings. Watch this place.
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Three autumn bonnies: praecox var. reichenbachiana, Semeru and Barcena 'Sparkle'.
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Nice pictures, Nova, obviously I am particularly pleased with Barcena 'Sparkle'. ;) ;) ;)
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Stolen pictures on ebay - the saga continues.
The seller from Germany turned out to be innocently using one of the pictures I sent to one of my suppliers for his photo gallery. Had I known that my pictures would be passed on to my competitors, I wouldn't have sent them. Anyway, the seller apologised and replaced my picture with another one. End of story ??not quite.
The rogue from York has been tentatively identified, however she keeps using my pictures brazenly and replies impolitely in very poor English.
Some you win....
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My pleone praecox.
This year all flowers are open :-)
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...unauthorised use of pictures...continued.
I have since discovered that the very same picture of mine features as the company's profile photo on said Belgian supplier's facebook page, totally unprotected and capable of being copied by anyone.
What is it with people ? when I want to use someone else's photo I ask for permission and give them a photo credit. That's just good manners, isn't it?
So if you see this picture being used by any other commercial supplier, with or without the plant label, skilfully removed, you know that it's mine and it's unauthorised.
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Maren, that picture appears on http://www.gartenforum.de (http://www.gartenforum.de) . Be warned I got malicious attack warnings when I went to that site. I couldn't see the image but TinEye says it is on thread
http://www.gartenforum.de/threads/89576-was-fuer-pflanzen-naechstes-jahr/ (http://www.gartenforum.de/threads/89576-was-fuer-pflanzen-naechstes-jahr/)
(TinEye is a small programme you can add to your browser, right click on any image and it will search the internet for copies. However if the image is cropped or reversed it doesn't work).
I then found the image again at
http://www.jardins-du-monde.be/divers/en/X1-Pleione-tongariro,-P11,-2-4-years-50095.htm (http://www.jardins-du-monde.be/divers/en/X1-Pleione-tongariro,-P11,-2-4-years-50095.htm)
I found that one by searching google images - took me about 2 minutes.
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Pleione maculata a Chinese form
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Hello Mark,
thank you for your tip. I follow up every suggestion, sometimes with success, mostly not.
I am beginning to feel sorry for the poor wall I am hitting my head against. Maybe I give it a rest for a little while. ;)
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The same person has now started taking my images too. And not only the images - she has copied and pasted the entire "cultivation" text from my pleione website into her advert! I have contacted her and wait to see the result. If she does not take this down quickly I will report her to eBay as what she is doing infringes their rules and policies for listing items.
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Hi Paul,
I'm really sorry to hear that. Isn't it annoying! We take such care to create our cultivation notes. Everything is based on personal experience - they steal that, too. >:(
Please let me know how you get on. I shall follow in your footsteps. :)
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Hi Maren & Paul stick to your guns and don't let this women win.
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Having tried to contact the offender I got no response at all, so I have now reported this to eBay as an intellectual property rights violation under their VeRO scheme (see http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/tp/vero-rights-owner.html (http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/tp/vero-rights-owner.html). Not sure what happens next.
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Paul, possibly not much. In my "other life" I've come accross someone running a scam for a very expensive bit of musical equipment - they put the advert up, I report it, they take the advert down - the account remains.
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Pleione praecox: A form from China
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Pleione praecox var. reichenbachiana -Images of a huge pseudobulb bought this year from Christian Schreiner which had 8 flower buds. Unfortunately half of these flowers had no lip.
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Pleione praecox semi-alba
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Pleione maculata: Typical form.
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I bought three pleione barcena bulbs a couple of years ago, one is now in flower.
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Sadly Paul's complaints to eBay have, as predicted, had no effect. Several more lots of Lynn Butterfield have just been listed, still using his photographs. But if this person has so many of this variety, which is not that common, how come they have never got around to photographing the flowers themselves? Tongariro by any other name is still Tongariro, me thinks.
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Hello Steve
I had the same thought. With such a load of Pleione Lyn Butterfield, one should think that he/she had the change to take a photo.... wonder what he/she is selling.
Her are a few pictures of a new investment. Pleione albiflora x Pleione praecox bought at Schreiner in Germany few weeks ago. So the nice flowering is not due to me but to Schreiner.
Anyway nice flowers where Pln albiflora is dominant.
Regards and Merry Christmas to all
Erling
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Merry Christmas, Erling!
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Love the albiflora x praecox, another one to add to the want list.
Over here it is beginning to feel a lot like Christmas... or not really as it is blowing a hoolie and I am walking about in the garden without a coat. But at least my Christmas pleiones are coming on nicely. Barcena and Wharfedale Pine Warbler, both bulking up nicely to the point where I have had to part company with some. Two good pots of WPW and now four of Barcena, wish some of the others were this vigorous.
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Hello Steve
Nice pots you have got there, specially Wharfdale is presenting the Christnas colors. Here in DK it also starts to feel like Christmas, last day at work today :-)
But must say that the Christmas weather is not very Christmas like. 12 C more or less all 24 hours and rain puring down. Santa is going to get problems with his sledge.
Regards Erling
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A word of warning for those of you storing bulbs in greenhouses, sheds etc, particularly in the balmy south of England. Check things are not moving faster than expected. I just found some Eiger bulbs with flowers well on the way. There's early and there's early. ;D
Think it might be time to finally invest in a fridge.
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I imagine this particular December is going to cause some problems for all kinds of plants.
December is always a bit of a gamble but Jan/Feb are pretty reliable.
I took a look at some of the seeds I put out earlier in the year and they have sprouted. Good news normally but they may get plenty of below zero in the next few months so...
I'm lucky in that I don't have that many plants and so I could potentially put them all in the fridge if required.
Although this is the wrong thread ... Will this be a problem for Cyps? We here (UK) have had 'prolonged' periods of 13/7 (C) and I'm wondering if they will start waking up only to get a sub-zero welcome. I say this is the wrong thread but I guess this is a common problem for many other plants.
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Conventional theory says that some Cyps might not flower without a genuine cold spell, same as some Pleiones, especially Rakata Shot Silk. Certainly my best Cyp flowering was 2011 after a proper winter. We shall see.
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I am planning on putting some of my more choice species cyps into the old fridge in the garage for the next two months.
David