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Title: Lycoris 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 27, 2015, 02:10:47 AM
Lycoris incarnata apparently took a year off in 2014 but has put up a stem now (in 2013 it was in March).
I really don't understand what these Asian bulbs want to be able to flower - the South African nerines seems a lot easier to please ;D
2014 was a bit of a dud for L. sprengeri as well, so here's hoping they put in an appearance!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on January 27, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
Hi fermi I have a yellow lycoris and all I get are leaves year in year out.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: ashley on January 27, 2015, 07:55:18 PM
Yes I'm good at lycoris leaves too ;D
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 28, 2015, 08:05:01 AM
Hi John and Ashley,
Can't give you any hints because as I said before I have very little idea what makes these flower! You could try providing them with dry summer conditions to allow the bulbs to"ripen" - can you get the temperature up to the high 30s (oC) for a few weeks each summer? I don't think they are as averse to summer water as the nerines and other South Africans are, though as they seem fine when we get summer rain,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on January 28, 2015, 09:00:08 AM
Hi fermi thanks for the advice, if I leave the pot in a sunny part of the greenhouse it might get that high temperature, not sure about Ashley though with all the rain they have in Ireland :)
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: SJW on January 28, 2015, 11:43:17 PM
Hi fermi I have a yellow lycoris and all I get are leaves year in year out.

Same here - Lycoris aurea, always in leaf but not flowered for me yet. I've been wary about drying the bulb off completely in summer because I don't think that's what they'd experience in China (?) but perhaps the key is a higher summer temperature, as Fermi suggests.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: ashley on January 29, 2015, 12:37:59 PM
... not sure about Ashley though with all the rain they have in Ireland :)

Maybe I should send my bulbs across to you John, for their summer holidays ;) ;D
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on January 29, 2015, 01:37:18 PM
They'd be very welcome Ashley, then I could bring them back with me in the autumn when I go to see my family up in mayo
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 08, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
This will upset those struggling to get their Lycoris to flower, but it really is a wonderful video - the link was shared with the pbs list by Mark Brown .   
Get a coffee and relax......

https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=e0_dAO7fh2I (https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=e0_dAO7fh2I)
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: ashley on February 08, 2015, 05:20:31 PM
So easy!  Off to build my terraced paddy field  ;) ;D
A south-facing slope I can do but not a latitude equivalent to Morocco unfortunately.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on February 08, 2015, 08:08:40 PM
Beautiful video Maggi thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: SJW on February 08, 2015, 11:45:27 PM
Lovely, but couldn't really understand why the harvested rice left to dry wouldn't ripen properly if the flowers weren't cut back. The flowering stems didn't seem to be casting that much shade?
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: ArnoldT on February 09, 2015, 12:59:31 AM
Steve:

I think it's to facilitate air movement.  The stalks of the Lycoris were too tall and would block the breeze.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: SJW on February 09, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
Steve:

I think it's to facilitate air movement.  The stalks of the Lycoris were too tall and would block the breeze.

Ah, that makes sense! Thanks.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: jshields on February 09, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
Why don't Lycoris bloom?  Could be different things.  There are two general sorts of Lycoris -- those that leaf out over winter and those that only leaf out in spring and early summer.   Both sorts can use warm summers.  The winter-growing sorts are damaged by the hard freezes in my Midwestern USA winters.  This weakens them and even if they survive the winter cold, they are too weak to bloom afterwards.  The spring-growing sorts need winter cold, like I have here, in order to grow properly  in spring and bloom in autumn.  They all need some moisture regularly in summer.

Also, they mostly need a good generous root run, so all your flower pots are probably not going to help.

Hope this helps a bit.

Jim
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: SJW on February 09, 2015, 11:45:59 PM
Why don't Lycoris bloom?  Could be different things.  There are two general sorts of Lycoris -- those that leaf out over winter and those that only leaf out in spring and early summer.   Both sorts can use warm summers.  The winter-growing sorts are damaged by the hard freezes in my Midwestern USA winters.  This weakens them and even if they survive the winter cold, they are too weak to bloom afterwards.  The spring-growing sorts need winter cold, like I have here, in order to grow properly  in spring and bloom in autumn.  They all need some moisture regularly in summer.

Also, they mostly need a good generous root run, so all your flower pots are probably not going to help.

Hope this helps a bit.

Jim

Thanks for this additional information, Jim. I've also just found these cultivation tips: http://botanyboy.org/lycoris-aurea-the-golden-spider-lily/ (http://botanyboy.org/lycoris-aurea-the-golden-spider-lily/)
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 10, 2015, 06:45:58 AM
Despite the continuing dry weather Lycoris (maybe) radiata is now flowering,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 17, 2015, 09:44:38 AM
The Lycoris (maybe) radiata looked a bit better a few days later :) and this morning Lycoris x elsae was in bloom on rather short stems! :-\
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on September 23, 2015, 01:53:45 PM
Lycoris radiata. I've had these bulbs for years, six or seven maybe. Every year they produce a fine crop of leaves, as discussed earlier in this topic, but no flowers - until now.
Another triumph for patience, neglect and favourable weather.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnw on September 23, 2015, 02:38:11 PM
Forty years here and nary a flower.  Maybe after the past very warm summer we'll see an emerging stem................

johnw
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on September 23, 2015, 03:22:28 PM
Forty years here and nary a flower.  Maybe after the past very warm summer we'll see an emerging stem................

johnw
That's patience!
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnw on September 23, 2015, 03:41:27 PM
That's patience!

And likely bordering on stupidity!

john
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on September 30, 2015, 01:06:15 PM
Interesting how the flowers of Lycoris radiata develop over the course of a week.
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnw on September 30, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
Ah this 30th Sept pic is as I recall the spider lilies in Virginia.  Coincidentally this morn I repotted several hundred bulbs into 3 very large tubs with rich soil; congestion didn't work nor did sharp drainage so we'll try the reverse.  Many bulbs had NBF, I think, with a hole either at the base or entry through the neck.  Same thing for a very large pot of Cyrtanthus brachyscypus - most small bulbs were fine but several hundred large bulbs had larvae   - salvaged on a half dozen large bulbs.  Forgot the drench this past spring!

johnw  - 25c and terribly humid (87%), much needed rain imminent, 100mm+!
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on October 22, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
Interesting how the flowers of Lycoris radiata develop over the course of a week.
Flowers have gone over now, and I have  ---- a seed! (Just one).
Title: Re: Lycoris 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 22, 2015, 11:51:10 PM
Flowers have gone over now, and I have  ---- a seed! (Just one).
Good luck with it, Ralph!
I've never had a seed on mine but I think it's either a self-sterile clone or a hybrid,
cheers
fermi
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