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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Oron Peri on January 26, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
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First Onco for this season, I. atropurpurea.
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Season is starting ;D
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The season for all the iris types seem to be starting with a bang this year - straight in with quality!
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Be still, my beating heart. ;D
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:o - Great plants, Oron! Here still a few days to wait.
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First Onco for this season, I. atropurpurea.
Black magic !! :o :o
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Wonderful!
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Iris assadiana and Iris mariae are starting
and a super rapid I. atropurpurea flowering in its third season from seeds.
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Fabulous Oron!!!
First Iris atropurpurea started to flower here, Iris mariae is in buds if it should stop to rain anytime I will take pics.
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Thanks Hans,
Weather down here is really crazy this year, a real European winter. We are expecting snow again this weekend
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Iris assadiana and Iris mariae are starting
and a super rapid I. atropurpurea flowering in its third season from seeds.
Fantastic plants, Oron.... as usual.. :-\
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Great plants oron ! Your Iris assadiana looks strange.. could you check it's origin ?
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Great plants oron ! Your Iris assadiana looks strange.. could you check it's origin ?
This is the origin:
Syria: N of Palmyra; Jabel al Mara
ARGI 02-145h
Should be ok for this species,
probably another clone. [which reminds me... ::)]
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Many thanks Luc.
Here is one of the endless color forms of Iris hieruchamensis,
and after being hand pollinated.
Iris atropurpurea develops its seed pods rapidly.
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Oron, I love your protection agains wild pollinators :-)
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Actually i got the idea from Miriam, it is really useful also to cover seed pods of other species,
any size of seeds remain inside.
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Yes, great idea - the other way is to remove the falls - but you have to protect the flower alrady before. It does not look better... ;)
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The advantage of these organza bags is that they come in all sizes. I put it on the bud a day or two before they open, they have enough space in it, than i take it of, pollinate the flowers and cover it again.
The biggest advantage is that i can enjoy the flowers with their falls... ;)
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;D - as here only one species is flowering no protection is necessary.
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Very nice form Hans !
here Iris paradoxa is blooming, and some other species will follow soon.
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Wow Fred! Superb! And very early!
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Two of the beauties flowering today:
I. schelkownikowii starts blooming, it is only 10cm tall and grows surprisingly well here,
and first I. nigricans for the season.
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Iris damascena has started to flower in my garden
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Two of the beauties flowering today:
I. schelkownikowii starts blooming, it is only 10cm tall and grows surprisingly well here,
and first I. nigricans for the season.
I like that I. schelkownikowii Oron , so short and compact ! Great to see them like that.
And the colour of nigricans is offcourse outstanding.
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Iris damascena has started to flower in my garden
Very nice Miriam , we only could wish they grow the same way here ....
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Absolutely beautiful flowers guys and girls. Miriam your Iris damascena is superb. Fred, I love your I. paradoxa, what a brilliant display!
I'm gathering information about the oncocyclus group in a database for my own reference and not surprisingly I'm having trouble with the nomenclature. They seem to have been shuffled around a lot. My copy of A Guide to the Species Iris lists Iris schelkownikowii under "other species" and doesn't give much information. It says it's close to acutiloba, but looking at your photographs you'd never pick it! The database of species on the SIGNA doesn't list it at all. Can anyone recommend any books or other references which cover the oncocyclus in more detail? My friend Peter Gras tells me that this forum is more informative than any book in existence and I suspect he might be right! No harm in asking though...
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I know diddly squat about iris books, I'm afraid , so I'm no help to you - though there will be others in the forum who can make good suggestions, I'm sure - but just thinking about this put me in mind of the book that I think is soon to be released by the AGS - about Meditterranean plants - by Oron Peri- bound to be quite a bit about oncos in there, I should think? Oron will, I hope, be able to tell us more......? :)
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Thanks Maggi, if it's true that a book on Mediterranean plants is being written I'll definitely add it to my Xmas wish list! That would be a very useful reference for us Adelaideans.
Otto cleared me up about I. schelkownikowii in our private correspondence.
For some reason I thought "diddly squat" was Australian slang! I don't know why I thought that. I reckon it'd sound better with a Scottish accent than an Aussie one. :D
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The book which I think will be called Bulbs of The Eastern Mediterranean (or of the Levant?) was due to be published last year - I am sure I've seen comment somewhere from Oron about him seeing the draft cover but I can't remember where.
I hope Oron will see this soon and give us an update !
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Sounds terrific Maggi, I await that with bated breath. By the way I don't recommend A Guide to the Species Iris. It's disappointing and I feel slightly ripped off. I'm working my way through it so I'll reserve my final judgement until I've persued it more thoroughly.
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There is - The Genus Iris by W. R. Dikes - The Iris by Brian Mathew, my Bible - Iris by Fritz Kohlein.
Have fun.
John B
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Thank you John.
Here are some pictures of my babies. Don't expect flowers posted by me for a couple of years, although Peter G. tells me one year is possible.
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The book which I think will be called Bulbs of The Eastern Mediterranean (or of the Levant?) was due to be published last year - I am sure I've seen comment somewhere from Oron about him seeing the draft cover but I can't remember where.
I hope Oron will see this soon and give us an update !
Sorry for my late answer, just got back from Canada.
Yes Maggi the book is entitled 'Bulbs of the Eastern Mediterranean' and after several delays, it is being edited now by the AGS.
Should be out this summer.
The book covers 415 species from the eastern Mediterranean including many Iris species.
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Hardly a "late " answer within 24 hrs, Oron!! Hope you had a good trip to Canada - lucky you were not snowed in for a few months - we've been seeing some wild snow from the east. :o
There will be lots of us looking out for the book - glad to hear it is in train at least.
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Thanks Maggi :)
Here are some Oncos from this morning:
Iris petrana
and two species with very large flowers; Iris lortetii and I. kirkwoodiae
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Oron, your I.kirkwoodii is beautiful...and the others too.
Here is flowering Iris kirkwoodii ssp. macropetala.
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Super portraits, Miriam - you must get almost as much pleasure from these photos as you do from the plants!
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Such wonderful oncos being shown this year by all - they certainly are extra special iris.
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Wow!!! :o Oron and Miriam! Fabulous pictures!!
Here one of my alltime favourites - Iris damascena with a pollinator (Xylocopa violacea)
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Here are some pictures of my babies. Don't expect flowers posted by me for a couple of years, although Peter G. tells me one year is possible.
Flowers in one year? Now I feel like I'm wasting my time doing the forced germination and waiting twenty years for the first flower.....
Impressive technique, for sure.
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Flowers in one year? Now I feel like I'm wasting my time doing the forced germination and waiting twenty years for the first flower.....
Impressive technique, for sure.
I was also baffled by the comment, especially as the images carry the date 2005. I think we're missing something obvious. ???
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I don't believe it's possible to have flowers in one year, I was just repeating something I read. The 2005 is a typo by the way, should read 2015. I didn't know oncos existed in 2005!
Edit: I re-read my email from Peter and it's absolutely possible to have them flower in the second year. He has experienced it and it wouldn't be like Peter to make a mistake. Perhaps Peter will read this and can add a comment?
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Thanks for the clarification Jamus, it does sound extraordinary.
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I have had a couple onco hybrids bloom in their second year from forced germination
in winter.
John B
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Thanks Maggi :)
Here are some Oncos from this morning:
Iris petrana
and two species with very large flowers; Iris lortetii and I. kirkwoodiae
I hope everyone is aware of Oron's bulb seed project? (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12097.) Now comes an article in the Guardian about the nursery he runs with his friend Mansour Yassin: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/04/gardens-oron-peri-eastern-mediterranean-plants?CMP=share_btn_tw (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/04/gardens-oron-peri-eastern-mediterranean-plants?CMP=share_btn_tw)
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Iris acutiloba ssp. acutiloba , the first of the season here .
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Wonderful specimens Kris!!!
Iris schelkownikowii
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16496959654_377f87410c_o.jpg)
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Wonderful specimens Kris!!!
Iris schelkownikowii
Thanks Steve . This is also certainly true for the one you show her. :o Great plant and picture . Is this schelkownikowii easy to grow ?
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Is this schelkownikowii easy to grow ?
Thanks Kris.
I haven't had mine for too long. I bought it from Frank Schmidt who always supplies excellent plants.
It seems pretty straight-forward to grow though the flowers wilt quite quickly in full sun under glass -more so than other Iris. If I had the space then I would be tempted to transfer it to a well-ventilated frame from mid-March onwards.
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nice pictures from all,
here is on of my first: Iris sprengeri
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today in flower,
Iris schelkownikowii and Iris damascena
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Great plants Dirk !
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many thanks, Kris.
It seems to have a good year.
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Beautiful Irises Dirk. Looking forward to lots more as the season progresses.
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some new flowers this weekend,
Iris kirkwoodii
urmiensis
paradoxa 'Gem of Lori' and a
iberica Hybrid
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Beautiful irises, Dirk.
Can you tell me what size pots you are using and their depth, please?
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Beautiful irises, Dirk.
Can you tell me what size pots you are using and their depth, please?
Chris, the pots are 13 x 13 x 13 centimetre.
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Thanks, Dirk. A little larger than they looked in the photograph.
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Gorgeous arils, all :D
Iris kirkwoodii, JJA 590.256. It's the first bloom from seed sown on 1st. Nov. 2008 :)
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Love these irises. Here's Iris sari subsp. manissadjianii.
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Iris paradoxa, paradoxa f.choschab, lycotis and kasruwana in flower today
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Iris iberica ssp elegantissima
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Wow, amazing!
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Some wonderful irises displayed in the images above!
Here is another Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8771/16772184714_092e7bcc9a_c.jpg)
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Oh my giddy aunt, that's a thing of great beauty Steve... I hope to have blooms like that of my own in a few years.
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simply wonderful Steve,
here some flowers from my garden
Iris barnumae
lineolata
lineolata x paradoxa choschab open and in bud
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My only Oncocyclus Iris.
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some new flowers,
Iris sari and Iris polackii
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With the disruption over winter, I wasn't expecting the Oncocyclus to flower this year. My first and a nice surprise: Iris acutiloba x lineolata.
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Probably not very common on South Uist Chris :) Beautiful.
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Indeed not, Ashley, a cheerful sight.
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Hello friends. I have waited until all were done flowering to post my photos.
I will go alphabetically.
acutiloba lineolata from Kurt V.
acutiloba lineolata from seed
grossheimi
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And more.
paradoxa Atrata
paradoxa Gem of Lori
paradoxa X iberica
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Next 3.
paradoxa paradoxa
sari manasajanii ( spelling?)
urmiensis
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Last 2.
paradoxa choschab, 2nd. runner up at the Wichita annual show
My seedling of acutiloba x choschab X Shah Kebir. Best seedling at same show
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Oh, what glorious things are here. Thank you all, gentlemen. You've brought some light and joy into what has been a ghastly week here.
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I was lucky enough to holiday in Armenia when the Oncocyclus iris were at their peak. An early Spring had been followed by a cold snap for two weeks including fresh snow.
We found these Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima quite by chance. we had been provided with locations for many Oncos by kind forumists, but this site was an unexpected delight.
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Can anyone tell me the parentage of Iris 'dardanus'? I'm having trouble finding its story.
Fabulous photos Arthur. I'd love to see those in the wild some day. How did you find travelling in Armenia?
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I. korolkowii var. concolor X I. iberica.
John B
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Thank you John. Noted.
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A little extra info on Iris 'Dardanus'
From Pacific Bulb Society : http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ArilIrises (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ArilIrises)
"Iris 'Dardanus', one of the regeliocyclus hybrids (a name used for hybrids made between iris in the Regelia and Oncocyclus sections) This plant is now readily available, so there is no reason not to treat yourself to these lovely bits of eye candy. "
From : http://historiciris.org/photos/dardanus-brock.html (http://historiciris.org/photos/dardanus-brock.html)
"Dardanus
G. van Tubergen, I. 1962 unregistered
AR 24" ML
Dardanus is one of the so-called regeliocyclus hybrids. Standards of violet; Falls buff-violet, veined darker.
From John Sheepers' catalog: "This large, exotic, Regelio-cyclus variety has strong, lilac standards with darker mauve veins and paler falls etched in sultry mahogany-purple."
(korolkowii 'Concolor' X iberica).
Cultural info: Plant the rhizomes horizontally with their tops exposed, in a sunny location. Fertile, neutral to slightly alkaline soil. Each rhizome should be planted more or less horizontally with the buds sideways and the root end tilted down and prior year growth tilted up. If it is planted simply horizontally, it will right itself. The cut end is from prior season division. The withered end is from the prior year's stalk. If you garden where there's summer precipitation and humidity it will need porous soil and may require some protection from rain."
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Fabulous photos Arthur. I'd love to see those in the wild some day. How did you find travelling in Armenia?
We had planned our trip very carefully and used a travel company to book the hotels, transport and guide.
We had a Mercedes 16 seat minibus. This was excellent as it had a fridge and water heating facility. Tea and coffee with our picnics was an unexpected, but very welcome treat.
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Sounds great, but is it a safe destination for Western travelers? I don't know much about the place I confess but considering its neighbours it seems like it could be caught up in the messy business going on there now, no? Showing my ignorance no doubt, but I am on the other side of the World. ::)
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Onco growers may wish to know that a new list of Oncos for sale from August will be available from:-
oncocyclus.iris@gmail.com
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David can we have some more information on this please? Are they plants for sale only or are there seeds as well?
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All plants Jamus
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I've got some seeds of kirkwoodii and nigricans. Apparently they can take 13 years to germinate. 8)
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Or you can be lucky and have them germinate the same year or next.
The same oncocyclus cross but with different lighting in the first two photos
The next two are very close to this colour but these photos were taken late in the day after a frost - hence the floppy standards.
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Pat are these earlier than usual? I think it was August when I visited you last year... It's good to see the season kicking off down South.
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I am very excited to have 6 of 6 seeds germinate this week, of Iris grossheimii. This is not on our bio index as such but apparently is a natural hybrid between acutiloba and iberica ssp. lycotis, which both are so I was allowed to receive it. The seeds were from Kurt Vickery a couple of years ago and 5 came up on Monday, the 6th this morning. That's the easy part. ;D
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Yes Jamus they are extra early this year. Congratulations Lesley. Haven't tried to grow Iris grossheimii but acutiloba and iberica grow relatively easily from seed
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I worked hard today on my onco iris bed which has been forming in my mind for months now. So nice to see it take shape in reality. I'll be planting the first of the irises into it tomorrow morning. 8)
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Not oncos but regelia, Iris stolonifera, seed from Kenneth Trimmer, through the ASI seed ex. I decided to try these in a large pot.
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Jupiter, I. stolonifera is better in the ground as it's.. stoloniferous ;)
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Thanks Fred. Allow me one season in my pot, because I want the pleasure of seeing it bloom from my kitchen window. I'll move it into the rock garden when it fills the pot. :D
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Thanks Fred. Allow me on season in my pot, because I want the pleasure of seeing it bloom from my kitchen window. I'll move it into the rock garden when it fills the pot. :D
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Or move it to a bigger pot - that's what I did!
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The first Oncocyclus Iris in flower here - two of Pat Toolan's hybrids:
Iris kirkwoodiae x Iris atropurpurea
Iris mariae x Iris haynei
cheers
fermi
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Those are really beautiful Fermi and lovely detailed photographs. I recognise them as Pat's hybrids from my visits there. Did you do anything special to prepare the soil for planting?
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I've got some seeds of kirkwoodii and nigricans. Apparently they can take 13 years to germinate. 8)
Takes about twenty-four hours, using forced germination.....
I've been away for a while, but was there not going to be a demonstration of the in vitro method of germination?
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Those are really beautiful Fermi and lovely detailed photographs. I recognise them as Pat's hybrids from my visits there. Did you do anything special to prepare the soil for planting?
Hi Jamus,
Sorry, I missed your question!
The answer: not much!
They're planted in a raised bed in very gritty/sandy soil mix (coarse sand, a little compost and the "native" black "pug" clay)
cheers
fermi
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I'm in a dilemma at the moment, torn between whether to water or not. My oncos are still in active growth and we're having a dry spell. The bed they are in is raised and very dry. They don't look to be suffering from drought stress, which suggests to me that they are chasing the moisture down deep and developing good deep root structure. On the other hand I want to maximise growth this season before their dormancy sets in. So... to water or not to water, that is the question... no rain forecast for the week ahead so this a decision I have to make presently. Does anyone have any advice for me?
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They grow in the Negev Desert, maybe that's a clue?
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So... to water or not to water, that is the question... no rain forecast for the week ahead so this a decision I have to make presently. Does anyone have any advice for me?
The tips of the leaves will indicate whether or not the plants are getting enough water. Or too much.
The Levantine species do not seem to have an absolute need to go dormant during the summer; the dormancy is no doubt a response to the natural environment and not something inherent, because they can be kept green for twelve months of the year in pots, indoors.
If no one living in a similar climate offers advice, what I would do is to mist them, with a weak solution of Miracle Gro for Tomatoes, or something similar. The plants do respond to that. (I almost never fertilize anything and rarely use anything chemical, but I have found this does work with oncos, which seem to be very heavy feeders.)
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Thank you Bob, great advise and very timely. I have been considering feeding. I had a sage bit of advise from a member here in Australia who I trust. They are watered and will be fed on the weekend when a cooler change is coming through.
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Can anyone suggest what has made this samariae sickly? I remember some discussion somewhere about leaf tips being diagnostic of plant health generally but can't recall the details.