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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Yann on January 24, 2015, 02:05:55 PM
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Scilla amoena
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Scilla messeniaca & Scilla cilicica in bloom
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Scilla puschkinioides, JJA 877.200
I always get confused with this species and Puschkinia scilloides...
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Scilla puschkinioides, JJA 877.200
I always get confused with this species and Puschkinia scilloides...
Me too! I just did that with a pic that will be in the next IRG - can't help myself - the author was quick to tell me!
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Scilla greilhuberi
Scilla cilicica RRW96.28
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Scilla cilicica in bloom
... here also, grown from seed received from Israel. :D
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Nice plant!
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Thanks Yann!
Here one I have received as Hyacinthoides (Scilla) reverchonii from the seedexchange, think it is correct. :)
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Lovely, Hans. When did you sow these? I've got some seedlings also from SRGC seed that have just germinated this year. How long do I have to wait?
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Scilla ingridiae, JJA. 874.009, ex. a N. Stevens coll. A tiny little one :)
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This one love clay, in which compost do you grow it?
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A bonny wee Scilla Tatsuo!!!
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Lovely, Hans. When did you sow these? I've got some seedlings also from SRGC seed that have just germinated this year. How long do I have to wait?
Thanks a lot Matt - I think it took about four years, it might grow faster in less harsh condidions. ;-)
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This one love clay, in which compost do you grow it?
See the picture below, Yann. I've just replyed the same question on Narcissus thread.
I use same soil for all bulbs. I use pumice, kanuma and akadama blend. The largest grains for bottom of the pot, middle ones for top dressing and the finest ones for growing medium with some perlite and charcoal chips. No organic matter for avoiding root/bulb rot during our deadly heat and humid summer.
A bonny wee Scilla Tatsuo!!!
Thanks, Steve :) Did you request its seed to SRGC SeedEx 2012? ;)
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Scilla libanotica, JJA. 874.309. Ex. R.& R.Wallis 99-04. Eather of the two plants is true ???
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Tatsuo it's interesting to see you use 2 kinds of clay. Materials are easy to find here i'll try to fill few pots with your mix this summer. I find that akadam retains very much water and need attention when watering.
Your pumice seems more porous than the one from Italia or Germany.
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Scilla cilicica
Scilla libanotica
Scilla mesopotanica
Scilla morrisii
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Hyacinthoides italica
Hyacinthoides reverchonii
Scilla cilicica ex. Syria
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Scilla nana
Scilla morrisii
Scilla morrisii, 2nd year seedlings
Scilla morrisii, germinating now
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A European contribution.
Scilla peruviana
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Scilla peruviana Ex. Morocco and Scilla dimartinoi ex Lampedusa
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it should not be too long now
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Can somebody tell me the name of this scilla species?
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Can somebody tell me the name of this scilla species?
Not me! They're all just little blue bulbs to me, I'm afraid. Like them all, but cannot tell them apart! :-\
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They all look the same don't they (where have I heard that before?)
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The super cold winter and thick snow cover has been good for my scilla. a few blooming now.
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Scilla bifolia on the 25th March.
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1.Scilla rosenii
2.Scilla bifolia double from Norman Stevens
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Scilla liliohyacinthus. Very late but tolerates shade.
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This leggy scilla- grown outside in shade of the house survived our zone 4 winter.
it came as Scilla persica.
it looks like merwilla plumbea with narrow leaves.
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I always say my knowledge of the wee blue bulbs is pretty awful, but Chas W. was asking about this Scilla - I think it may be Scilla ramburei - any other ideas? [attachimg=1]
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May be http://www.flora-on.pt/index.php?q=Scilla+ramburei (http://www.flora-on.pt/index.php?q=Scilla+ramburei)
i grow ramburei but checking my photos it looks less obconical.
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A scilla litardieri?
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A scilla litardieri?
Yes, Seems likely, Oleg.
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Found this in the middle of a dense clump of Crocosmia. Scilla peruviana perhaps?
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Is anyone growing Scilla (Prospero) autumnalis subsp. latifolia? This subspecies grows in the the southern Mani and I thought it might be a more garden-worthy plant than the type.
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A few little blue bulbs from Australia they don't seem to be very popular in here, I think thats because nobody knows about them.
Chionoscilla x allenii.JPG
scilla cilicica 1.jpg
Scilla reverchonii Arch.jpg
scilla cilicica 1.jpg
Scilla mischtschenkoana 'Tubergeniana'.JPG
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I think a lot of us are thoroughly confused by these wee blue flowers, Viv, I know I am!
When there was an RHS trial of such plants ( at Wisley, I think) it was actually referred to a a trial of "little blue bulbs" !
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Thanks Maggi I will change that on our blog, I didn't look up just read the bottom Title on the front page of the papers. I will need to be more careful in future.
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Some links to RHS papers on the little blue bulbs!
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/planttrials/TrialReports/Hyacinthaceae%20hardy%202003.pdf (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/planttrials/TrialReports/Hyacinthaceae%20hardy%202003.pdf)
https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/PDFs/Plant-trials-and-awards/Plant-bulletins/hyacinthaceae (https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/PDFs/Plant-trials-and-awards/Plant-bulletins/hyacinthaceae)
https://www.rhs.org.uk/.../plant-bulletins/hyacinthaceae (https://www.rhs.org.uk/.../plant-bulletins/hyacinthaceae)
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Hi Matt
i have these growing in my garden in Michigan
these Prospero autumnale (Scilla autumnalis) came from NARGS seed started in 2009 form a donor in Belgium and they are fully hardy here zone 4-6 depending on the winter. They began blooming in mid July this summer and bloom without leaves. The thread grass like leaves come later and are green all winter under the snow and die down in early summer a few weeks before the flowers emerge. They are still in bloom now after blooming for 6 weeks in 50-90F weather, the photos are from today. I don't know if these are the same as the Scilla (Prospero) autumnalis subsp. latifolia you posted but they look similar.
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These came as Scilla scilloides from various seed exchanges hence several color variations and bloom times. and they have been blooming for about 2 weeks. I think these are now called Barnardia japonica. These bloom with the 1 cm wide leaves just emerging and the flower stem is reeded. The leaves are green all fall and a gone by winter, and are fully hardy in any garden soil here.
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Here are some better photos of the Scilla scilloides / Barnardia japonica taken by a friend on Aug 15
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This came to me as Scilla leucophaea. I have put a search in several times over the years looking for a more information about it.I read where it had had a name change to Hyacinthella leucophaea so duly changed the name on the label.Lately searching again I find that any photograph of a plant by this name just does not appear to match.I must say I see it is rather similar especially in leaf growth to the Bellevalias also coming on now in my tubs.
Edna
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Very nice whatever it is Edna ........
Cheers Dave.
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Hi Matt
i have these growing in my garden in Michigan
these Prospero autumnale (Scilla autumnalis) came from NARGS seed started in 2009 form a donor in Belgium and they are fully hardy here zone 4-6 depending on the winter. They began blooming in mid July this summer and bloom without leaves. The thread grass like leaves come later and are green all winter under the snow and die down in early summer a few weeks before the flowers emerge. They are still in bloom now after blooming for 6 weeks in 50-90F weather, the photos are from today. I don't know if these are the same as the Scilla (Prospero) autumnalis subsp. latifolia you posted but they look similar.
Hi Rimmer, apologies for overlooking your reply. They certainly seem to be growing well in your garden. The ones you're growing appear to be the type Scilla/Prospero autumnalis subsp. autumnalis - the thread-like leaves are the determining factor. In subsp. latifolia the leaves are broad and lie close to the ground - I attach a cropped pic of the leaf rosette. The plants I saw were mostly showing some leaf with the flowers, although most plants have flower stems that had gone over and were forming seed, as well as open flowers and young flower stems/buds coming along. I guess the first blooming would have been without any leaf and later flowerings with progressively more. The scapes on these plants were also larger and more robust that any of the other S./P. autumnalis we had seen elsewhere (widespread and common but often easily overlooked), so the flowers were much more 'showy'. It was this, along with the repeated flowering with 3 or 4 scapes arising successively from (apparently) one bulb that made me think it would be very garden-worthy. I have found one UK nursery that sells the subsp. latifolia but will have to wait for it to be back 'in stock'.
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Scilla madierensis just colouring here. I have deliberately left them outside most of this summer to get whatever weather throws at them. Very erratic, some with flower stem a few inches long, some still showing no signs of growth, some seedlings of mine some acquired a few years back. No pattern I can see.
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Some Scilla linguata from North Africa began blooming this week after a cool spell last week
now it is 90F and very humid and steamy weather
these certainly look like asparagus when they emerge
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Nice- and I like the white form too, Rimmer
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Thanks
do you know the collector initials
PB SL etc. ?
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Let me check.....
RRW is Robert (Bob) and Rannveig Wallis
PB is Peter Bird OR P. Boyce
SL - Hmm, well, S & L is I. Sinclair & D. Long :-\
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Could SL be Salmon & Lovell?
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Kurt Vickery lists a number of Scilla species collected in N. Africa under "SL###" collection numbers, which he gives as Salmon & Lovell.
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Kurt Vickery lists a number of Scilla species collected in N. Africa under "SL###" collection numbers, which he gives as Salmon & Lovell.
Well done, Matt - I'll add that to my lists.
I've also got a note of MS&CL for Salmon, Michael.; Lovell, Chris.
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Kurt Vickery lists a number of Scilla species collected in N. Africa under "SL###" collection numbers, which he gives as Salmon & Lovell.
That makes sense. Reading the intro to Kurt Vickery's first seed list in August 2009, he wrote:
Welcome to my first seed list, For those of you who don’t know me I have been helping Mike Salmon, who used to run the well loved Monocot nursery, for many years. We still maintain his collection, and it is at his suggestion and with his encouragement that I have produced this
list (A good 50%of the items listed here are from the nursery) along with material from my own collection.
does anyone know who ABS, PF, SBL , SF and LB are?
i am happy these plants or their offspring are still with us.
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That makes sense. Reading the intro to Kurt Vickery's first seed list in August 2009, he wrote:
Welcome to my first seed list, For those of you who don’t know me I have been helping Mike Salmon, who used to run the well loved Monocot nursery, for many years. We still maintain his collection, and it is at his suggestion and with his encouragement that I have produced this
list (A good 50%of the items listed here are from the nursery) along with material from my own collection.
does anyone know who ABS, PF, SBL , SF and LB are?
ABS = J. Archibald, Blanchard, M. Salmon
PF = Paul Furse
SBL = M. Salmon, P. Bird, C. Lovell
SF = M. Salmon, M. Fillan
LB = C. Lovell, P. Bird
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The bulbs are waking up! Here my first is Scilla lingulata alba SL253A.
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The bulbs are waking up! Here my first is Scilla lingulata alba.
Nice Matt, do you know if this is SL 253a or SL 263A?
Rimmer
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Hi Rimmer,
This one is SL253A.
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thanks same as mine but nicer photo!
i should have seedlings of SL 263/ 263a started in 2013 blooming some day, but they are not above grade yet.
i wonder if the white form will set white seedlings.
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more forms of Scilla lingulata blooming
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???Scilla melaina is probably not really suited to our garden, but on the shady side of the house with some summer water it persists!
cheers
fermi
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Scilla autumnalis MS771
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Scilla lingulata - grows for allready 3 years in open ground without cover in a hot corner next to a Buxus
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It's lovely, this one is better grown in the garden.
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I seem to have 3 forms of Scilla lingulata. A dull blue form with non glossy leaves and obvious lines down the leaves, a glossy leaved form with slightly brighter blue flowers, and an almost white form but still with blue pollen, unlike the other white forms above. Never got any seeds that I have noted.
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Seems like a promising season for Scillas,
Scilla latifolia has 3-4 flowering heads on each plant this year.
Barnardia numidica and two forms of Prospero autumnale
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Scilla latifolia should give nice spikes of flowers, just a dream for us living in northern areas :-[
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Scilla Linguata flowering in a pot on the kitchen window still, this is the first time I have grown this bulb, it's a lovely little plant with a great scent.
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Scilla Linguata flowering in a pot on the kitchen window still, this is the first time I have grown this bulb, it's a lovely little plant with a great scent.
this plant will need some cool nights and may even be hardy outside for you being so near to the sea in the UK.
but then i speak from experience in central USA where i gets very cold and this plant has survived freezing temps and frozen ground inside a cold frame. it multiplies well and this year i planted a bunch out in the garden to test hardiness here in my zone 4-5-6 yard . this winter is supposed to be mild!!! I hope so !
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Hi Rimmer thanks for the information, I brought it into the house so we could enjoy the scent. When it finishes flowering I'll put it into the cold frame, according to the weathermen over here it's going to be the coldest winter for five years I think they said, needless to say I hope they are wrong. :)
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here are some Scilla Linguata in a frame now. kinda of between flower peaks on this plant here.
the large pot is 8 inch diameter
why does the upload rotate these pictures?
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We think the occasional rotation of pictures is because of the way the files have been saved initially in your machine from the camera, Rimmer.
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thanks Maggie
i deleted them, rotate them 360deg. and reloaded and now they are fine.
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Can you explain why sometimes I click on a thumbnail and it opens a new window rather than just enlarging? Sometimes in the same posting I get both ways of opening.
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Can you explain why sometimes I click on a thumbnail and it opens a new window rather than just enlarging? Sometimes in the same posting I get both ways of opening.
:-\ I have absolutely no idea, Brian - it happens that way for me too.
edit :
Fred Admin has come up with the answer - when photos are posted as full size images within a post the automatic resizing tool resizes them completely - but when larger sized pictures are posted as end of post thumbnails the system opens them in a new window, but resized there to avoid scrolling to view the pix.
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After John and Rimmer's little scilla this may seem a bit ridiculous! Scilla natalenis, now Merwilla plumbea, in flower today in the Rock garden,
cheers
fermi
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i have tired seed of Merwilla plumbea several times but it never germinates, in cold or warm, spring or fall.
what does it need to germinate?
Thanks
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It's a beautiful plant fermi.
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i have tired seed of Merwilla plumbea several times but it never germinates, in cold or warm, spring or fall.
what does it need to germinate?
Thanks
I do not know what this species needs to germinate either, however my understanding is that it is from South Africa in a summer rainfall, winter dry region. Perhaps, this is something like Florida where the winter dry season is also the fire season. If you have plenty of seed to experiment with it might be worth a try tenting some seed pans with a fire / smoke treatment. I have found it easy to give seed pans a smoke treatment using a large box. A few hours in the smoke might give results. At least it might be worth a try.
It is important to water the seed pans once after smoke treatment, and then only as needed so that whatever components are in the smoke can be taken up by the seeds, rather than washed away.
Good luck. Maybe someone can step forward with a proven method.
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a very nice plant, fermi.
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Hi Rimmer,
I received this as a small seedling many years ago and have never raised any seedlings. I was told that the seed has a short viability which is possibly why it doesn't germinate sometimes.
Being from a summer rainfall area means having to water it when it comes into growth at the end of winter. This year was a dry spring so just as well we set the sprinkle on this area before we went away! I don't think we saw a flower last year,
cheers
fermi
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I have two Merwilla plumbea. Pots stand side by side. One has been out for a week now. The other is a week or two off opening. Bought them off Terry Hatch.
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Pure white Prospero autumnalis from ruins of Perge in Turkey started blooming here. I collected it by fingers from split between stone benches surrounding ancient stadium. Was afraid that it will not grow here as altitude from where it comes is very low and there are no real winter at all at its natural habitat. When I visited Perge in autumn all splits in stadium were full with blue flowers of Prospero, bet occasionally few white ones were between those. I collected 3 and two of them alive and now bloomed for the first time.
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Can you explain why sometimes I click on a thumbnail and it opens a new window rather than just enlarging? Sometimes in the same posting I get both ways of opening.
Fred Admin has come up with the answer - when photos are posted as full size images within a post the automatic resizing tool resizes them completely - but when larger sized pictures are posted as end of post thumbnails the system opens them in a new window, but resized there to avoid scrolling to view the pix.
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Pure white Prospero autumnalis from ruins of Perge in Turkey started blooming here. I collected it by fingers from split between stone benches surrounding ancient stadium. Was afraid that it will not grow here as altitude from where it comes is very low and there are no real winter at all at its natural habitat. When I visited Perge in autumn all splits in stadium were full with blue flowers of Prospero, bet occasionally few white ones were between those. I collected 3 and two of them alive and now bloomed for the first time.
Absolutely beautiful!
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Fred Admin has come up with the answer - when photos are posted as full size images within a post the automatic resizing tool resizes them completely - but when larger sized pictures are posted as end of post thumbnails the system opens them in a new window, but resized there to avoid scrolling to view the pix.
I was puzzled that the middle of 3 was a popup but the 1st and 3rd was not recently. Forget which, sorry.
Incidentally does posting large photos use up much more of your valuable storage space? I still prefer editing before posting so not guilty if it does ;-)
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We've got the "under 200kb " rule to help the storage - and many pix are way below that and still perfectly good.
Sometimes hard to get folks to realise that for online viewing you do not need a photo twice the size needed for print work in Vogue! ;)
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Scilla lingulata ciliolata ex Monocot Nursery
Scilla lingulata ciliolata ex Monocot Nurseryis this an ex Mike Solomon collection?
doe anyone know the collector identification, locality?
this one blooms mid- to late season and has the dark blue ovary,