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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: YT on January 24, 2015, 11:50:36 AM
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Colchicum triphyllum, taken today :)
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Here is colchicum Kesselringii open yesterday.
John B
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A nice naturalised Colchicum Kesselringii, John B :D
C. kesselringii ‘My Choice’, today.
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This is the same Colchicum Kesselringii pot as above on the next day :'(
I never know this poisonous plants get pecked...
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YT:
Looks like slugs. have a look under the pots during daylight.
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Thanks, Arnold. I've already checked around the pots when I notice it and didn't find any slugs and its silvery trails. I only spot some bird droppings and tore pieces of petals were spread wider than chewing by slug or snails...
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That's interesting. Most of my Colchicum damage is perpetrated by slugs.
They(slugs) are immune to the colchicine that is poisonous to most other species.
I've always been fascinated by the specificity of various toxins on one species and the toxin is ineffective on others.
The issue as I understand it is that the toxin is not metabolized by the organism and passes though almost unnoticed.
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That's interesting. Most of my Colchicum damage is perpetrated by slugs.
They(slugs) are immune to the colchicine that is poisonous to most other species.
I've always been fascinated by the specificity of various toxins on one species and the toxin is ineffective on others.
The issue as I understand it is that the toxin is not metabolized by the organism and passes though almost unnoticed.
There was a nature programme on TV here a few days ago where I was suprised to hear that bamboo contains cyanide and is very toxic although it is the main food source of a lemur species (and pandas, of course). Perhaps this is common knowledge but it had passed me by! Does heat remove the toxins which is why it appears in Chinese cuisine, or is that a specific, non-toxic species of bamboo?
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Steve;
cooking and washing can remove plant toxins.
Think about all the Aroids we eat only after they are washed and cooked.
Taro is one. Needs a rigid cooking process to remove the crystals that are poisonous
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There was a nature programme on TV here a few days ago where I was suprised to hear that bamboo contains cyanide and is very toxic although it is the main food source of a lemur species (and pandas, of course). Perhaps this is common knowledge but it had passed me by! Does heat remove the toxins which is why it appears in Chinese cuisine, or is that a specific, non-toxic species of bamboo?
Seems many animals eat raw bamboos and survive.
I understand there are varying levels in different species. However for cooking purposes bamboo is always boiled first and then fried, steamed or grilled afterwards. The water is always discarded.
Bamboo - canned or otherwise - from Thailand will be an entirely different genus than those from say Chengdu and same for Guangdong. I am always amazed at bamboophiles who can
examine a plateful and suggest a possible genus & species.
Avoid canned bamboo at all costs, it has an awful tinny taste, better the bagged vacuumed-sealed kind.
johnw
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Does heat remove the toxins which is why it appears in Chinese cuisine, or is that a specific, non-toxic species of bamboo?
I'm also a bamboo eater, Steve ;D We eat boiled very young sprouts of bamboo. See here: Bamboo shoot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_shoot)
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This is the same Colchicum Kesselringii pot as above on the next day :'(
I never know this poisonous plants get pecked...
Same happened here with the same species this year - I suspect this were cutworms. Slugs are less dangerous for colchicum in my opinion (they prefer narcissus).
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I'm also a bamboo eater, Steve ;D We eat boiled very young sprouts of bamboo. See here: Bamboo shoot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_shoot)
Yes, on reflection I should have written Asian cuisines rather than Chinese :) . As I've noted before, you learn something new every day on this forum, and not only about horticulture!
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Colchicum szovitsii 'Snowwhite'
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Colchicum szovitsii Pink form
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/16263883318_d859dfc5c7_o_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7376/16265320159_dba4eebac1_o_d.jpg)
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OK, Steve:
You're not to get away without telling me a little about how you captured this image.
Light, camera, etc, etc.
Amazing.
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Thanks Arnold!
Both images were taken on a Canon 7D SLR with a 100mm IS macro lens.
The first was taken at noon in bright low winter sun -the plant being placed so as to catch the oblique light source which effectively helps pick out detail and saturates the warm colours. Exposure was a compromise between a fast enough shutter speed to allow hand-holding and yet maximise depth of field by closing down the shutter as much as possible (ISO 400).
The second image was taken on a duller day at a high ISO setting and so is more noisy. The plant's pot was top-dressed with some "orchid bark" as a foil and the image was taken from an overhead perspective. I had to wait until a break in the cloud cover allowed sufficient light through to take the image. In dull light it is the cold end of the spectrum that penetrates best -particularly useful for enhancing blues, though not relevant in this case. I would prefer to have had good overhead sun for the second image ......but this is Scotland! ;)
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Light levels sound like where I am.
Thanks,
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Super plants and pictures so far ! Splendid 2015 .....
This one is almost finished now , these pictures are from few weeks ago. Colchicum doerfleri .
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Colchicum luteum and 3 times Colchicum kesselringii x luteum
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Colchicum luteum 'Vahsh'
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Colchicum kesselringii x luteum form nr. 1
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Colchicum kesselringii x luteum form nr 2
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Colchicum kesselringii x luteum form nr 2
Just another picture
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Colchicum kesselringii x luteum form nr 3
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They're everywhere!!!! Chris's luteum x kesselringii...driving me green with envy >:(
;D ;D ;D Wonderful plants, Kris!! :)
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They're everywhere!!!! Chris's luteum x kesselringii...driving me green with envy >:(
Hi Wim , just to be sure you've seen them........... ;D ;D ;D
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Very nice Colchicum Kris! :o
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Here a huge one from NW Iran - any Idea what it could be?
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Hans
I think it may well be C. crocifolium
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Colchicum kesselringianum
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8669/16425508410_8f5a6c839c_z.jpg)
The flower buds were slightly frosted prior to opening.
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Beautiful flowers on this colchicum steve
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I think it may well be C. crocifolium
Thank you very much for the id, Oron!
Great picture, Steve!!
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Viv has already posted pics of autumn colchicums to the Southern Hemisphere thread; here are a couple I found in flower in our garden:
Colchicum 'Lilac Major' (that's the name I received it under but wonder if it might be 'Lilac Wonder') x 2 pics,
Colchicum neapolitanum macranthum
cheers
fermi
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Merendera kurdica, a reliable and cheerful pot in the greenhouse.
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Merendera kurdica, a reliable and cheerful pot in the greenhouse.
Stil rare in collections I think .....Great plant Pete !
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Merendera kurdica, a reliable and cheerful pot in the greenhouse.
Hi Pete,
were these grown from seed? The one in the centre seems to have different coloured anthers.
In our garden, one rather sad looking Colchicum cilicium
cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi.
Yes, they were from the AGS seed distribution originally. One always has the grey anthers and I keep meaning to try and isolate it. I have never had seed set though. I should get a paint brush out I suppose.
Another nice species is Colchicum szovitsii. Again seed grown and getting better each year. Better planted close together.
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Pete,
That's a pretty impressive flowering on that species.
Here are a few more in our garden, I think they are all forms of C. cilicium but received the first two as C. atropurpureum and "Mrs Craig's Colchicum", the third as C. cilicium "Pale Form"
cheers
fermi
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i opened my frame Sunday and within a few hours Colchicum hungaricum was blooming. the ones in the garden are still under at least 1 foot of snow.
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Afghan Colchicum, huge flowers, special flower color
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A couple from early February. Colchicum doerfleri and Colchicum hungaricum 'Valentine'.
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Colchicum triphyllum, from Kevock.
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Colchicum triphyllum,
Are you sure?
Looks more like a thog!Perhaps a stray in the pot?
cheers
fermi
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No, I'm not sure, but that's what Kevock sold it as!
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Are you sure?
Looks more like a thog!Perhaps a stray in the pot?
cheers
fermi
Ralph,
Fermi is right, it is Ornithogalum nutans...
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Thanks, I knew it wasn't as described! Not the first mislabelled plant I've had from Kevock.
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A neat little Colchicum which I got from Jon B (mini bulb lover) who got it as C. psaridis
cheers
fermi
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Ooo. Does it produce seed?
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Ooo. Does it produce seed?
Jon tells me that his does, but mine hasn't ....yet! ;D
I'll keep an eye out for some,
cheers
fermi
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Very early to start a new season. Colchicum euboeum is flowering now with successive flowers since mid July.
This plant is from a seedcollection on Mt. Dirphys, island Euboea (Evvia) Greece.
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Very early to start a new season. Colchicum euboeum is flowering now with successive flowers since mid July.
This plant is from a seedcollection on Mt. Dirphys, island Euboea (Evvia) Greece.
Luc, that was a very early start of the season.
Here Colchicum parnassicum flowered later than normal, in the start of August. Sometimes it has started flowering in June.
Poul
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The next one in line was Colchicum graecum in mid August
Poul
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Now Colchicum montanum peaks
Poul
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Lovely pictures Poul! I think autumn is now really knocking on the door ;D
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A Greek species: Colchicum haynaldii
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A colchicum grown form an Archibald seedcollection under number 17704.
I didn't find this number in the JJA listing, so no additional information on this one.
Can anyone help ?
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Very nice Luc! Is that a brownish shade on the outer petals of the JJA selection?
Here is Colchicum laetum in flower
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Very nice Luc! Is that a brownish shade on the outer petals of the JJA selection?
The brownish shade is from the pollen.
The flowers suffered in the severe weather last weekend.
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A colchicum grown form an Archibald seedcollection under number 17704.
I didn't find this number in the JJA listing, so no additional information on this one.
Can anyone help ?
From the Archibald plants section, 2014 :
Colchicum JCA 17704
"Luc Scheldeman has a query about this Colchicum grown from JCA seed - he could not find the no. in a seedlist but David Stephens is able to tell us : "The number is JCA17704, it is an original collection number, not a JJA seedlist number.
It was collected on 21st May 2003 in Turkey, 32km n. of Anamur on the road to Ermenek.
Jim collected it as Colchicum s.l. "
It has been suggested that this may be C. kotschyi, but Jim Archibald when writing about Colchicum in Turkey said :
COLCHICUM HELDREICHII is endemic to W central Turkey. This is the C. kotschyi of western Turkey. True C.kotschyi does not occur W of Pozanti
I do not think it will be C. kotschyi, because where it was found was in the region well west of Pozanti and so it would be COLCHICUM HELDREICHII .
TUBIVES gives some sites for Colchicum kotschyi west of Potzani, but not in the region for C. heldreichii
http://www.tubives.com/index.php?sayfa=1&tax_id=9261 (http://www.tubives.com/index.php?sayfa=1&tax_id=9261)
http://www.tubives.com/index.php?sayfa=1&tax_id=9262 (http://www.tubives.com/index.php?sayfa=1&tax_id=9262)
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Colchicum x agrippinum in flower
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Beautiful, we now enter in autumn for sure.
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A small colony of starry shaped Colchicum sfiksianum flowering earliwer this week on Mt. Ainos in Kefalonia.
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First Colchicum to flower here is C.bivonae :)
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Colchicum longifolium with a first flower although still in the seedpot
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Colchicum sanguicolle
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Colchicum davisii is here the first.
(http://up.picr.de/23073145vz.jpg)
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First colchicum here was Colchicum byzantinum in the shady fern garden last weekend
followed quickly by Colchicum davisii in a hot sunny sand bed
then Colchicum montanum and now Colchicum bivonae are blooming in a mound of top soil.
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Colchicum macrophyllum (PB138) from Crete. Pitty no sun to open the flower completely.
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Anybody ID this flower, please? I brought my summer dormant bulb pots out from a shed today and spot this flower has already opened in a crocus (JJA 352.006 Crocus serotinus subsp. salzmannii) pot. I noticed something broader leaves in this pot several years ago but didn't see its flowers before. It looks colchicum or its relatives for me ???
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Tatsuo-San,
As Ashley has mentioned on the other Thread I would suggest Colchicum (Merendera) montanum as well.
I got seed of the the same crocus (from Rafa) with the same interloper!
cheers
fermi
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As Ashley has mentioned on the other Thread I would suggest Colchicum (Merendera) montanum as well.
I got seed of the the same crocus (from Rafa) with the same interloper!
Thank you for your quick ID, Fermi :) :) :) May be my crocus seeds originated from Rafa as yours ;D
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Merendera montana enjoys the evening sun
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There are a new set of photos of various colchicum and related corms, courtesy of Dr Dimitri Zubov, here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13574.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13574.0)
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These small colchicums are tricky to photograph, at least with my ancient camera. Firstly, I bought this as Colchicum corsicum. Does it look right? It's tiny.
Secondly, Colchicum davisii.
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Colchicum corsicum - a very nice little fower WITHOUT the mass of leaves afterwards.
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Colchicum agrippinum just after a shower
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Colchicum autumnale 'Nancy Lindsay' enjoying todays sunshine
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Years ago I posted to this forum a photo of Esther Bartning's plate of colchicums which appeared in the October 1938 Gartenschoenheit.
Ever since then I've been trying to assemble fresh blooms to duplicate what is shown in that plate. But two of the cultivars shown there, 'Danton' and 'General Grant' have proven to be elusive so far. I'm tired of waiting, and so today I put together an approximation of the Bartning plate using the material available to me now.
You can see it here:
http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2015/09/colchicums-esther-bartning-homage.html (http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2015/09/colchicums-esther-bartning-homage.html)
I hope you enjoy it!
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Colchicum cilicicum album
C. agrippinum
c. spec from Teheran area with Sternbergia sicula īPantokratorī
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All growing well, Herbert!
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Thanks for your nice comment Maggi ;D
But with the recent summer here in Austria it was not all too difficult.
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Very nice Herbert! Very nice species from teheran! Did you collect this iranian species yourself? Does it form large leaves afterwards?
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Colchicum corsicum
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Ruben, I did not collect it myself, but I grow it now for more than 15 years.
And yes, it forms rather big, īnormalīColchicum leaves in spring.
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Tags long gone.
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Years ago I posted to this forum a photo of Esther Bartning's plate of colchicums which appeared in the October 1938 Gartenschoenheit.
Ever since then I've been trying to assemble fresh blooms to duplicate what is shown in that plate. But two of the cultivars shown there, 'Danton' and 'General Grant' have proven to be elusive so far. I'm tired of waiting, and so today I put together an approximation of the Bartning plate using the material available to me now.
You can see it here:
http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2015/09/colchicums-esther-bartning-homage.html (http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2015/09/colchicums-esther-bartning-homage.html)
I hope you enjoy it!
I certainly did, Jim thank you!
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Colchicum cousturieri (syn. C. cupanii), from Kurt Vickery.
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The flower power of Colchicum autumnale 'Nancy Lindsay' comparing September 8th to 28th
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Anyone know this distinctive Colchicum with flat petals and flowers that open flat on sunny days? It has green tubes that darken to reddish
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Anyone know how autumnale 'Album' and autumnale 'Old Bones' differ? They look identical to me.
Google has only one reference and that's to this forum
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Colchicum davisii
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Nice Colchicum davidii, Chris.
I know that many prefer tinier things, but still these Colchicum Water Lily makes an eye-catching display
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Nice Colchicum davidii, Chris.
I know that many prefer tinier things, but still these Colchicum Water Lily makes an eye-catching display
Thanks, Oleg.
Colchicum Waterlily make a cracking display but it wouldn't stand the wind here and probably too large for container growing.
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Colchicum cilicicum
A self-seedling of Colchicum cupani in my medow.
Colchicum pusillum
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Colchicum cousturieri (syn. C. cupanii), from Kurt Vickery.
Three flowers from one bulb is pretty good value.
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I do like the miniatures. 8) Wouldn't give the larger varieties garden room.
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Anyone know this distinctive Colchicum with flat petals that open flat on warm days?
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A tree pot full of ?Pink Star
I might move all my large Colchicums to tree pots so I can enjoy them better
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Colchicum speciosum
Colchicum speciosum album
Colchicum sp. with Sternbergia sicula īPantokratorī
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Does anyone have white Colchicum cupanii for sale/swap/offer. Mine have died. Should have passed them on for safe keeping
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I do like the miniatures. 8) Wouldn't give the larger varieties garden room.
I would - and do!
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More...
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Sternbergia sicula īPantokratorī
I've seen this growing at the top of Pantokrator in Corfu.
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Colchicum boissieri, ex Wallis, and Colchicum troodii, white form, ex Pilous.
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Last year I was saying how Colchicum cupanii cousterieri was more advanced at flowering time than Colchicum cupanii. This year there is now difference and without labels I wouldn't know which was which. What is the difference?
Colchicum autumnale 'Album' v 'Old Bones' - to my eye they are identical. Don't bother buying both!
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When the leaves of Colchicum cupanii appear there is never any sign of flowers but in a few days they appear like magic from within.
Nowhere mentions how the emerging buds of Colchicum autumnale 'Karin Persson' are white and turn pink over a few days from tip down.
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I would like to show you recent pics of colchicum species growing in the wild in Central and Northern Greece.
Pics 225, 231, 255 and 266, Colchicum sp from 700-900 m in Central Pindus photographed in October 4 2015
Can anyone identify the species. From literature it appears to be a subspecies of neopolitanum. It is slightly tessalated.
George Papapolymerou
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Next are 3 pics from mount Ossa in Central Greece at 1650 m taken on September 13th 2015. They are Colchicum
binovae. bivonae
I have Colchicum bivonae from a nearby mountain from 600 m. It is quite different. It is basically white - slightly pink with heavy dotting. In my garden in lowland Greece it flowers in late October. I hope that it will flower this year.
Goerge
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Last for today is a pic taken in Northern Greece on September 27th at 1600 m. Probably it is the same species as that I have shown from Central Pindus (subspecies of neopolitanum).
George
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Colchicum cupanii has started to bloom, it was in buds 2 days ago.
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Next are 3 pics from mount Ossa in Central Greece at 1650 m taken on September 13th 2015. They are Colchicum binovae.bivonae
I have Colchicum bivonae from a nearby mountain from 600 m. It is quite different. It is basically white - slightly pink with heavy dotting. In my garden in lowland Greece it flowers in late October. I hope that it will flower this year.
Goerge
K1600_P1010008.jpg is very nice
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A gorgeous Colchicum in pink pin striped pyjamas
Colchicum cousturieri JCA 03121/09
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Very nice. Mark.
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Oh yes a very nice form, from seeds Mark?
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No I bought bulbs from the Mid Anglia bulb sale back in August
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Colchicum speciosum and Colchicum speciosum 'Album' growing under Malus 'Bramley's Seedling'.
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Autumn refuses to come here..cant blame it with all what is happening here, :-\
any way its 33C today and Colchicum started flowering already.
Colchicum variegatum, C. sfikasianum and C. macrophyllum
Seems like rain will arrive by the end of next week.
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I would like to show you recent pics of colchicum species growing in the wild in Central and Northern Greece.
Pics 225, 231, 255 and 266, Colchicum sp from 700-900 m in Central Pindus photographed in October 4 2015
Can anyone identify the species. From literature it appears to be a subspecies of neopolitanum. It is slightly tessalated.
George Papapolymerou
Interesting plant, George.
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Colchicum cupanii
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5681/22285320860_cd0e8a6504_c.jpg)
Colchicum troodi
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5739/22286461729_91521a5be8_c.jpg)
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From the garden today :)
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Colchicum autumnale alba plena
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Marit
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Great photos Steve
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Colchicum agrippinum
The two clumps of Colchicum speciosum album in the background are self sown seedlings. They are still flowering after the main clump have gone over. I really need to split up my colchicums but it's a problem what to do with the hundreds of bulbs left over after replanting.
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Flowering for the first time with me is a newly acquired Colchicum Cupani subspecies Cupani. It's a great little flower with a slight scent. I have brought it into the house to admire the flower while it lasts.
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I really need to split up my colchicums but it's a problem what to do with the hundreds of bulbs left over after replanting.
Roma, don't you have friends? Do send them those bulbs that are left over after replanting! I believe, some of us would be happy to give a shelter or a permanent home to those poor leftovers.
BTW, beautiful clumps of Colchicum agrippinum. All my colchicums are over now. I do not have good clumps either - it seems colchicums do not really like my garden. And I do not have C. agrippinum.
Cheers, Jacek
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Merendera trigyna (colchicum trigynum) from N-Iran.
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Colchicum hirsutum, a month earlier than the usual.
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A wonderful Christmas surprise today was to find Colchicum luteum in flower.
(Apologies for poor lighting, the sun put in a rare showing)
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Some early Colchicums ...,like luteum and doerfleri
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Colchicum szovitsii from the HKEP 01-11 collection in Turkey.
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I have this one as Colchicum triphyllum from Turkey.