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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: art600 on January 22, 2015, 09:22:37 AM
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This is my first Fritillaria of 2015 - discounting the early Fritillaria karelinii :)
Can anyone suggest what it is please
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Could it be Frit. minuta? ???
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Pinardii?
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Don't think it's minuta.
PS How can you possibly DISCOUNT the early karelinii? That would have been a great occasion had it flowered here. ;D
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Fritillaria persica 'Green Forms' starting to flower.
This form which grows in N. Israel, Lebanon and SW Syria used to be a separate species, F. libanotica.
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Back in May 2011 we sowed seed of Fritillaria davidii which you can read about in this old thread:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=7348.msg221706#msg221706
(http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=7348.msg221706#msg221706). To update this, we have just noticed what seems to be the first bud appearing (picture below). The seed was made using the pollen from our yellow flowered plant and put on to a bicoloured form. So it will be very interesting to see what colour the flower is. We were surprized to see this bud because when we repotted the bulbs during their last dormancy they were not very large. Has anyone else yet managed to get F. davidii to flower from seed?
Paul
Fritillaria davidii bud on seedling:
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Not difficult or unusual, but cheering none the less to see this F. michailovskyi in flower for the last week or so.
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Fritillaria ariana ex Afghanistan.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8670/16405232797_296f809958_z.jpg)
Not the best of images as it was photographed in-situ in the greenhouse (with a lurid red fence in the background).
This clone is a rather tall spindly form which does however produce very large flowers (all the rhinopetalums are rather leggy in the poor late winter light here but this one is particularly so, the large flowers make it worthwhile however).
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Well, having been watching this for an excruciating couple of weeks Fritillaria aurea BATM-371 is open at last. Can't wait for it to extend, drop and fill out. Still lovely at this stage though.
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This is my first Fritillaria of 2015 - discounting the early Fritillaria karelinii :)
Can anyone suggest what it is please
Matt
I think it could be Fritillaria assyriaca - I attach my own plant
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Here are Frits currently growing in my bulb house
Fritllaria crassifolia
Fritillaria davisii
Fritillaria sp. I would like an identify for this - it may be another assyriaca
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Loverly little plants Arthur.
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Fritillaria serpenticola
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8602/16716331122_97ee2e5dd6_o_d.jpg)
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I have just received bulbils of F. affinisand F. hermonis. Would I be better off sowing them now or keeping them cool in sand until early autumn to give them the longest root-growing period?
Erle
Anglesey
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Here are Frits currently growing in my bulb house
Fritllaria crassifolia
Fritillaria davisii
Fritillaria sp. I would like an identify for this - it may be another assyriaca
Arthur, a nice pot of Fritillaria davisii. Can I ask if these have been left together from sowing and what depth of pot are you using?
Thanks, Chris
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Deep-fried Frits
A few central Asian species currently growing on the arids steppes of West Fife:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8564/16097490553_0f9c135cec_o.jpg)
Fritillaria ariana ex Afghanistan
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/16716168351_6f9c6b2d13_o.jpg)
Fritillaria gibbosa
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8632/16691535626_c947d5920e_o.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii ex Usbekistan
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8615/16530015490_039ed1ae66_o.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii ex Tajikistan
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16095127284_cf812a9d82_b.jpg)
Fritillaria karelinii ex Tajikistan
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I am totally in awe at your photography. I may never pick up a camera again.
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I agree. Just superb images.
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There the air stays away to me, really marvellous pictures, Steve :D
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As usual Steve, superb photographs.
The white Fritillary stenanthera is not so common in cultivation. I have grown these from seeds but not all plants come out white.
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A nice-looking stenanthera Cyril!
I have a couple of white rhinopetalum in flower that I need to post to get an ID on.
Here is a mugshot of Frit. gibbosa -the flowers of which have matured into a nice deep rose colour:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8729/16569974979_6ab2822816_z_d.jpg)
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Excellent photography on a beautiful flower Steve.
Several years ago I grew frits from seed, both from wild origin and garden sedd (AGS). Whatever frit survived I placed in one pot only.
three frits:
pic 0042: frit sp (from wild sedd) Iran in the foreground, frit hermonis amana in the center and frit kittaniae in the background
pics 0044 and 0046: same pot from other angle. Iran sp on the left, fr. kittaniae on the right (two bulbs)
George
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Fritillaria sewerzowii is now close to the end...
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Sorry to be cynical Steve, but are all those frits REALLY those colours? So rich and dark?
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Are your white rhinopetalums in flower now, Steve?
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Here is a small frit growing in the garden. It survives but doesn't multiply very quickly
Fritillaria latifolia
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Fritillaries Meleagris flowering here at the moment, bought them from a local nursery when they were just above the soil. Not as showery as some of the others on here, but a beautiful plant nonetheless.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7604/16752008469_20d3d96d93.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rwjque)Fritillaria Meleagris (https://flic.kr/p/rwjque) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Sorry to be cynical Steve, but are all those frits REALLY those colours? So rich and dark?
You have every right to be cynical Lesley.
Whilst these Frit photographs weren't photoshopped or the flowers hand-painted the images were taken during the "Golden Hour". The Golden Hour is a period shortly after sunrise or before sunset where the daylight has a warmer quality to the ambient light creating much richer reds and golds. During this time the sun is lower in the sky resulting in an attractive warm side-lighting which, in this case illuminated the face of the flowers without harsh shadows. This effect enhances both the richness of warm colours (but not blue/cyan) and the fine detail.
Essentially this is playing with light. It can be used effectively in wildlife photography -for instance in highlighting the beautiful amber eyes of a cheetah (not easily seen in the harsh overhead light of noon) or the attractive pattern of a Masai Giraffe.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4131/5068808204_4fb7d9131f_z_d.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5071/7386402932_7e76de6ab6_z_d.jpg)
There is also a "Blue Hour" where cold blue light predominates -almost to the exclusion of reds. This occurs in the short period before sunrise and in the twilight after sunset. The effect can be quite interesting (Yellow Fever tree forest around Kenya's Lake Nakuru):
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5567/14850495207_8d1167125f_z_d.jpg)
The "Blue Hour" is also an interesting time to photograph crocus (assuming the flowers stay open long enough):
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7533/16060374919_4788c214e0_z_d.jpg)
Whilst the effects of using light in this fashion can produce attractive images it is not always a true representation of the plants as normally seen.
Are your white rhinopetalums in flower now, Steve?
I'll try to post some images at the weekend Maggi.
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Are your white rhinopetalums in flower now, Steve?
The white Rhinopetalums came from Jan Jilek. I have three different types. One looks identical to the Fritillaria buccharica that I grow but the other two types look different:
White Rhinopetalum sp.1:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7592/16941743966_d1d6e532f0_o.jpg)
White Rhinopetalum sp.2:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7645/16760307917_fce8e85462_o.jpg)
.....and a macro image of the flower in sunlight:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7619/16966750081_80515c76a6_o.jpg)
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They're lovely, Steve, thanks for the photos .
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F.meleagris
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fritillaria drenovskyi one of my favorites,it is very elegant
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fritillaria drenovskyi one of my favorites,it is very elegant
Very nice Tony!!!
A favourite of mine also. I photographed it at the weekend with the intention of posting but you have beat me to it! ;)
Bizarrely it reminds me of a confection of my youth (whatever happened to Caramac?).
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Another photo of Frit. drenovskyi wouldn't go amiss, I'm sure ;)
Caramac is seemingly still made - but by Nestlé nowadays - no idea where you might source it though
( more's the pity!)
Edit : found 'em ! HERE (http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/caramac-p-386.html) ;D
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You can buy Caramac in our local independent store. Bought one last week out of nostalgia and almost instantly felt my teeth dissolve.
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You can buy Caramac in our local independent store. Bought one last week out of nostalgia and almost instantly felt my teeth dissolve.
Coo, fancy that! Mind you, Dentists need to earn a living too. Thought you'd be too young to remember them, Matt - ( no offence meant, Steve!!)
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A childhood staple for me consumed, I'm ashamed to say on an almost daily basis.
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Fritillaria tubiformis moggridgei
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8794/16962428520_a9313db676_z.jpg)
Fritillaria latifolia
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7639/17020934182_d5d4d1438c_o.jpg)
And not forgetting the Caramac Frit (Fritillaria drenovskyi):
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7619/16963770299_150f455df8_o.jpg)
You can buy Caramac in our local independent store. Bought one last week out of nostalgia and almost instantly felt my teeth dissolve.
I'm booked onto the next shuttle for Benbecula Matt!
Where's the nearest dentist? ;D
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I remember being fond of mccowan's highland toffee, you could buy the toffee for ten pence, cheap as chips, but absolutely delicious.
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Coo candy ;D I'm afraid the old teeth cannot cope with anything like that now.
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I have not grown any Crown Imperials before but I was taken with Fritillaria imperialis 'Sunset' in John Amand's talk at the Discussion weekend and he had it for sale ;D
It is a lovely colour.
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F.pyrenaica
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Two growing outdoor for 20 years.
Fritillaria imperialis Lutea Maxima
Fritillaria meleagris
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Fritillaria messanensis seed collected on Mt Olympus
Fritillaria liliacea
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I found this F. Uva-vulpis much easier to grow, again from bulbs.
I have tried to grow Fritillaria Crown Imperialis several times without success. I grew this one from a bulb last year and it has come back again.
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last of my fritillaria for this year
Fritillaria biflora 'Martha Roderick'
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Very nice Tony!
My penultimate pair of frits (only F. recurva still to flower).
Fritillaria purdyi
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8737/17165665850_d232f8f074_o.jpg)
Fritillaria liliacea
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7752/16732979833_23b32fd8ac_o.jpg)
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Beginning of May is time for fritillaries
1.Fritillaria tubiformis
2.Fritillaria tubiformis moggridgei
3.Fritillaria sewertsovii
4.Fritillaria stenanthera
5.Fritillaria caucasica
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and a tiny Fritillaria pinardii.
Sorry, I can't turn the pictures the right way
Edit by maggi - no idea why this sometimes happens! I think they are the right way up now!
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fantastic batch of Fritillaria ::)
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Awesome!
I have just started to increase my "collection" of frits. But I plant them out and not in pots. Some disappear and some live but the names always disappear.
Is this Fritillaria thunbergii?
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I think F. tortifolia, Trond.
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Yes, I think you are right!
I thought thunbergii didn't fit quite.
Thank you, Maggi :)
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Fritillaria recurva
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5455/17749405256_61f6c9c1cf_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7750/17749404006_3ba14cf0f4_o.jpg)
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Steve, what a colour :o
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Looks like Tiffany glass.
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Otto said have a look at the Scottish Rock Garden forum and the Fritillaria photos. What beautiful photo's Steve, I wish I had your talent.
Viv
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I've been drooling over the photos in this thread too Vivienne, very nice plants very well photographed. I've sowed seed of Frit. recurva. and a few other choice species. Nothing up yet...
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ooooo!!!!
Excellent fritillaria!!!
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F. walujewii growing under a thorn bush.
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An interesting form, Frazer - very pretty.
It's a form that is seen in cultivation and is usually called walujewii but some have doubts - it is lacking the longer twining tendrils and is a very distinct colour. Would love to know if it is truly a F. walujewii !
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I think there might be a tendril in this shot. The photo was taken in the wild.
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From the Nordic Journal of Botany (http://nordicjbotany.org/)'s Facebook page:
A new species of Fritillaria (Liliaceae) has been found in Iran and is here described as F. avromanica. This novelity is closely related to the two subspecies usually recognized in F. assyriaca, of which F. assyriaca subsp. melananthera is here raised to the rank of species based on morphological, palynological and caryological characteristics. Morphologically, these three species differ in width and shape of the leaves, color of the perigon and anthers, and the size of the capsule. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/njb.00780/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/njb.00780/abstract)
Fritillaria avromanica sp. nov. (Liliaeceae) from Iran and notes on F. melananthera in Turkey
Mahfouz Advay, Mehtap Tekşen and Hosein Maroofi
Article first published online: 26 MAY 2015 DOI: 10.1111/njb.00780
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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/%28ISSN%291756-1051/earlyview (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/%28ISSN%291756-1051/earlyview)
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I think there might be a tendril in this shot. The photo was taken in the wild.
Lovely !
Was thinking of other forum posts of F. walujewii and remembered this old Wisley Log of Paul's , too :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2009Apr281240907882Log_9_of_2009.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2009Apr281240907882Log_9_of_2009.pdf)
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that's a killer! what a cutie :o
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Waited 12 years for this to flower! It seems a nice form of Fritillaria acmopetala.
Pity it was seed labelled F. alfredae!
Someone suggested that it might be a hybrid,
cheers
fermi
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patience is always rewarded but hey 12 years! I guess you spent all day around it ;)
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Hi Yann,
Sowing seed each year means there's always something new in flower!
This Frit just kept producing daughter bulbs but only last year did one bulb even look like it was flowering size. Not having grown F.alfredae before it made me believe I hadn't found the correct growing conditions for it. Then again, I've not managed to keep it going in the garden, so maybe I need to continue with it in pots!
cheers
fermi
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Fritillaria messanensis ssp messanensis came from Marcus Harvey a dozen years ago and continues to come up every year
cheers
fermi
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Please could somebody identify these three fritillarias for me. I would like to replace their lost labels & do not want to guess.Thank you.
Edna
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hi, the first one might be sipthorpii because of the wide leaves, have a look inside, sibthorpii has a "fat pilose style" - that's a phrase that's stuck in my head for decades. I think the last is possibly meleagris.
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First on could also be Fritillaria carica, as Mark says much depends on the shape of the style, second one maybe a form of F. graeca and I agree with Mark on the third.
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Does some of you own the pdf about Fritillaria avromanica?
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A few pictures here : https://www.researchgate.net/figure/277336812_fig4_Figure-2-Fritillaria-avromanica-sp.-nov.-%28a%29%28b%29-habit-%28c%29-flowers-%28d%29-tepals-pistil (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/277336812_fig4_Figure-2-Fritillaria-avromanica-sp.-nov.-%28a%29%28b%29-habit-%28c%29-flowers-%28d%29-tepals-pistil)
from
Fritillaria avromanica sp. nov. (Liliaceae) from Iran and notes on F. melananthera in Turkey
Mahfouz Advay, Mehtap Tekşen and Hosein Maroofi
Nordic Journal of Botany (2015)
Abstract
Fritillaria avromanica is described as a new species from Iran based on specimens collected from Hawraman. Taxonomic descriptions, illustrations, geographical distribution, habitat, ecology, and conservation status of the new species and the closely related F. assyriaca and F. melananthera are provided. In addition F. melananthera is given the rank of species, rather than being subspecies of F. assyriaca. The differences between F. melananthera and F. assyriaca are discussed with pollen and chromosomal characteristics
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Thanks to you both, Mark & Ian. Much appreciated.
Edna
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thanks Maggi!
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just discovered the frit section of the forum, MMMMM I love it, will be looking more
Mel
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just discovered the frit section of the forum, MMMMM I love it, will be looking more
Mel
Ha ha! ;D 59 threads with Fritillaria in the name, Mel, not to mention all the other threads they appear in ! You've got a lot of reading to catch up on! ;)