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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Leena on January 21, 2015, 07:03:28 AM
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I got Paeonia Tbilisi hybrids seeds from the seed exchange, very exciting. Can anyone tell me anything about them? Are they P.daurica hybrids?
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Can that be just open pollinated seeds from Tiblisi garden?
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Can that be just open pollinated seeds from Tiblisi garden?
I guess I will have to wait 3-4 four years to find out. :)
I had hoped the donator of these seeds had written more about them here, that is why I asked. :)
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:)
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Paeonia daurica ssp mlokosewitchii in my garden now.
How are everyones peonies doing?
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Hi Leena,
No flowers here yet but the earliest is not far away!
Pp. lutea, rockii and an early hybrid from seed.
I have some nice seedling in the greenhouse also ;)
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1st flower,4 years after recieving the plant.
P.cambessedesii
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Philip, that one looks very nice!
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Hopefully it will get better year on year.If it looks as good as the person's that gave me it,I will be very happy.
I also have 6 seedlings sown at the same time that I got this,Sept 2011
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Paeonia cambessedesii
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7680/17280731852_661f3dd69f_o.jpg)
Paeonia caucasica
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7660/16660041364_199c829ec3_o.jpg)
Paeonia cypria
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7664/17096300669_4ea40d3fa8_o.jpg)
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Superb!
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How does P.caucasica differ from P.cypria? Is there difference in height of the plant or in the leaves?
I have sown both from seed exchange seed and they are now starting to grow root.
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P. caucasica is a more robust plant with larger leaves which are darker and of a different shape.
Though the flower tepals are of a similar colour the centre of the flowers have different markings.
P. caucasica is bone hardy here but P. cypria struggles in cold winters -though it did survive (just) -15C without snow cover (Paeonia rhodia didn't!).
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P. caucasica is bone hardy here but P. cypria struggles in cold winters -though it did survive (just) -15C without snow cover (Paeonia rhodia didn't!).
Thanks Steve, I will have to try to take extra care of P.cypria if and when it germinates. :)
This kind of information is important now that many of the species are lumped together in taxonomy.
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In Paeonies of the World, Hong De-Yan (2010), P. cypria is not even mentioned and the only peony species occurring in Cyprus is P. mascula subsp. mascula. Also, P. cypria is not in The Plant List, not even as a synonym. The picture of Steve looks like P. mascula but to be sure one has to see the leaves/habitus.
Beautiful pictures, by the way!
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Paeonia mlokosewitschii, the flowers are more yellow as the camera can show.
Paeonia Chamaeleon flowers changed their colour from dark to light within 6 days.
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P.mlokosewitchii
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P. mlokosewitchii has such a wonderful yellow!
Here is Paeonia qiui - a fairly rare woody peony where the dard reddish purple foliage contrasts nicely with the flowers before turning green.
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Paeonia tenuifolia
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P.mlokosewitchii
I see you've only managed to grow a little one, Philip ! :o ;) ;D
What a gorgeous plant - how old is it? 8)
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Paeonia tenuifolia
That's a healthy looking plant, Anne. I used to grow it in my previous garden but never very successfully.
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Here is Paeonia qiui - a fairly rare woody peony where the dark reddish purple foliage contrasts nicely with the flowers before turning green.
Beautiful, Anne. One of the very best flowers.
The Paeonies are not that far advanced here so nice to see these all doing so well in other gardens.
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Thank you, Chris and Maggi. P. tenuifolia seems to like gritty ground and dry summers... And the flower is over in the blink of an eye.
We had very warm days so the tree peonys are almost over. P. suffructicosa 'Shimane chojuraku' is suffering from strong winds. It has become so top heavy that I will have to cut it down a bit...
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Anne! What are you doing to me? These flowers make me dizzy they are so pretty.
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:) ... and they are the size of a football...
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oh my! Now see what you've done!
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;D ;D ;D
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:o Such wonderful flowers ! ;D
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Maggi-sorry,just seen your Q.
This is the 5th year flowering and a number of years waiting for flowers.It's from seed,so I'm very lucky to have got a decent colour.
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It is a super plant Philip - I reckon you have scored there!
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Paeonia emodi
Paeonia tenuifolia
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Paeonia cambessedessi :D
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Very nice peonies, :)
Irm, does P.cambessedessi have as big flowers as it seems in the picture?
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Yes, little plant, big flower :D
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We had very warm days so the tree peonys are almost over. P. suffructicosa 'Shimane chojuraku' is suffering from strong winds. It has become so top heavy that I will have to cut it down a bit...
Message received from Derek Halford in New Zealand :
" On looking at your ( sic) recent paeonia thread there was a photo of what was labelled Shimane Choyjuraku which had a large number of flowers showing.I grow the paeony in New Zealand and I find the number of flowers to be unusual for a plant that is renown as a shy flowerer, looking at the photo I would think that the plant is a cultivar of the rockii species and a very good one at that. When the original plants were sent overseas a lot of labels were lost off plants or were misinterprited from the original label hence the misnamed varieties.
We suffer from the same problem in N.Z. but with the help of the latest books from both Japan and China we are able to sort out some of the labelling successfully."
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In flower today in my Berlin garden: Paeonia obovata
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three tree paeonies
dark P. 'rockii'
P. 'Rocks GB'
P. 'Suminoichi'
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Yes, little plant, big flower :D
Thanks Irm. I wonder if it is too tender to grow here..
Do you have P.mairei? That is probably the earliest peony to flower here (though mine are too young to flower yet), P.obovata and many others are already in bud and I think after one week or little more I will see the first peony flowers here.
Tree peony flowers are great, but I have given up on them (though I have one P.rockii which may be a plant to grow here, it has one flower one after this very mild winter)
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Tree peony flowers are great, but I have given up on them (though I have one P.rockii which may be a plant to grow here, it has one flower one after this very mild winter)
Leena - Then you should try P. suffruticosa v. spontanea. Our seed came from Stefan Mattson in Enkoping, Sweden. It has sturdy stems and doesn't flop and ewas said to grow to circa 2.5m in Enkoping where Stefan used it extendisvely in the park system. True seed will throw white, pink and pale lavenders.
There was mention of this peony in The Plantsman awhile back and believe it was a heritage plant in Finland and northern Norway.
john
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Do you have P.mairei? That is probably the earliest peony to flower here (though mine are too young to flower yet), P.obovata and many others are already in bud and I think after one week or little more I will see the first peony flowers here.
Yes, I have a P. mairei, grown from seed (my sister is good in growing plants from seed ;D ). P. mairei was in flower two weeks ago, after some frosty nights.
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Leena - Then you should try P. suffruticosa v. spontanea. Our seed came from Stefan Mattson in Enkoping, Sweden. It has sturdy stems and doesn't flop and ewas said to grow to circa 2.5m in Enkoping where Stefan used it extendisvely in the park system. True seed will throw white, pink and pale lavenders.
There was mention of this peony in The Plantsman awhile back and believe it was a heritage plant in Finland and northern Norway.
No, not from Finland. There are no heritage tree peonies here, I know only a few plants (mainly P.rockii, and a handful of other tree peonies) grown successfully in the south and west coast in Finland in sheltered gardens, and even they need many times protection for the winter (not to say I know every peony grower in Finland, but I know many of them :)).
Enköping is more southern zone than even the best places in Finland. In Stockholm, Sweden, the climate is milder than in any place in Finland.
Herbaceous peonies and Itoh peonies are much better here. That said, I do have one P.rockii grown from seeds bought from Göteborg Botanical Garden, and that plant is going to flower for the first time this year, after a very mild winter this year. I also have P.ostii which always starts from the ground every spring but still manages to give some flowers (not anything spectacular), and couple of P.rockii seedlings. The micro climate in my garden is not very good, and many times in the winter it is colder here than other places near, but herbaceous plants don't mind it.
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Yes, I have a P. mairei, grown from seed (my sister is good in growing plants from seed ;D ). P. mairei was in flower two weeks ago, after some frosty nights.
Irm, thanks. It is good to know how P.cambessedessi flowers in relation to other species.
My P.mairei doesn't flower yet this year, but hopefully next year.
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Leena - I must have confused it with the article on P. officianlis 'Nordic Paradox' in tyhat issue, Norway not Finland. I would try to find that artiocle on P. spontanea as it came from Gansu to Moscow to Scandinavia, where is the question. Surely it would be worth a try. How cold do you get, like Mustilla Arboretum?
john
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Leena - I must have confused it with the article on P. officianlis 'Nordic Paradox' in tyhat issue, Norway not Finland. I would try to find that artiocle on P. spontanea as it came from Gansu to Moscow to Scandinavia, where is the question. Surely it would be worth a try. How cold do you get, like Mustilla Arboretum?
Actually in Mustila Arboretum it gets even colder than where I live, but they get also more snow than here, so you may be right that it would be worth to try. :) I'm getting another tree peony next week in a plant swap, P.linjanshanii, it is a year old seedling and let's see how it will do here. :)
Yes, P.officinalis 'Nordic Paradox', "Midsummer peony", is a herigate peony here, found in old places, and now for a few years it has been also available commercially (for a high price). Like other P.officinalis, it produces buds from even the slightest piece of root, so even if you dig it up and there is any bit of root left back in the ground, however small, it comes up after couple of years. That must be one reason for it's survival even in abandoned gardens.
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Here is the link to RHS article about Midsummer peony
https://www.rhs.org.uk/about-the-rhs/publications/magazines/the-plantsman/2013-issues/march/the-midsummer-peony (https://www.rhs.org.uk/about-the-rhs/publications/magazines/the-plantsman/2013-issues/march/the-midsummer-peony)
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Paeonia perigrina near Edessa greece last week
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Could anyone have a stab at an ID for this please. Grown from seed sown 2007/8, possibly from Hans Joschko.
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Hi David ,
I have just looked on my old records -in year 2008 I have sent you seeds of :
P.lithophila
P.daurica
P.arietina
It seems clear for me that your plant is P.arietina :D
Congratulation!
Hans
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Many thanks for that Hans, it's lovely. This is it's first flowering, I think I had it too long in a pot before it went into the garden early last year.
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yes David - I agree with you : peonies dont like pots !
Hans
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So which one of the three is ist, Hans and David?
Lovely to see P. peregrina in its natural setting, Tony! Mine (grown from seed) flowered for the first time this year and I am thrilled with the colour and form of the flower (and with the neat leaves).
P. tenuifolia 'Little Odin' (first photo) is over but the intersectional peony 'First Arrival' (second photo) has started flowering and is a real charmer (with Iris barbata 'Morgendämmerung').
P. x smouthii has produced a first flower - very bright... (third photo) as has another new addition: P. 'May Lilac' (P. lactiflora x P. macrophylla) (fourth photo) which I like for the colour of it s flower as well as for its leaves (fifth photo)
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Anne ,
I think it is P.arietina
Hans
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Ah - danke! Must look it up...
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Paeonia delavayi :D
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and P. peregrina in my Berlin garden
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Paeonia suffruticosa an unnamed seedling
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First peonies are now opening their flowers here, P.obovata and P.veitchii.
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The peonies are very late this year.
But now they are coming into flower.
P. delavayi (or actually a back cross with ludlowii) and ludlowii
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More peonies.
P. delavayi hybrid
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P. rockii group - with about 100 buds and flowers.
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I thought peonies were resistant to slugs but they find the flowers and the damage is done in one night.
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P. mlokosewitchii - at last did the flowers open.
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P. wendelboi - from Janis. More yellow than mlokosewitchii, a little darker leaves and about one week later in flower.
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Can anyone solve this puzzle for me? Several years ago I inherited some pots of seeds, and eventually a paeony seedling germinated. I did not make a note of the name, and now find that the label has snapped in two. The remaining writing is very faint, I think it says
------phyton
------anatum
VH Tibet, 4400m, slate, scree.
I know that the seed was collected by Vojtech Holubec. The plant is now flowering for the first time and it would be nice to know what it is. The flowers are pink.
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An unknown double peony growing very happy in the garden, surrounded by sage who's blueish flowers contrast nicely with the peony flowers
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Can anyone solve this puzzle for me? Several years ago I inherited some pots of seeds, and eventually a paeony seedling germinated. I did not make a note of the name, and now find that the label has snapped in two. The remaining writing is very faint, I think it says
------phyton
------anatum
VH Tibet, 4400m, slate, scree.
I know that the seed was collected by Vojtech Holubec. The plant is now flowering for the first time and it would be nice to know what it is. The flowers are pink.
To me those writings doesn't say anything, perhaps the labels are not from peonies?
Hoy, your P.wendelboi looks so nice!
Here many of the species are now over, but some are still flowering like P.veitchii and P.daurica ssp mlokosewitchii in shade and also P.obovata ssp willmottiae. The first hybrids are now starting to flower, later this year than normally because of the cool weather.
Here are some pictures of my peonies this year.
The first to flower was P.obovata
Then P.anomala. By chance I planted just the same colored tulips near it last autum. :)
The last picture is from a P.officinalis hybrid or cultivar, which was found in Finland and was called 'Kesähamonen'
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P.veitchii is one of my favourite peonies, and I am looking forward to the seeds from wild P.veitchii germinating next spring to see how they differ from the ones I have now. I'm not sure if my P.veitchii are pure species but I don't know with what they could be a hybrids. These are grown from garden seeds, the flower color varies, but they all flower at the same time, and have side buds, and they are not as tall as P.anomala (which I think is the real thing, because it is only second generation from wild collection).
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Also P.daurica species is a little mystery to me, these peonies are also grown from seeds from garden origin.
I have one quite yellow P.daurica ssp mlokosewitchii (the picture was taken in sun, but it really is quite yellow), and another paler cream colored. The leaves of both plants look the same. The fourth picture is of a mloko peony which starts to flower the latest, only now.
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I have some peonies which I have grown from seeds from P. x chameleon, and I got white, blush and pink plants from those seeds. I have thought that being a hybrid, P.x chameleon was sterile, but I'm glad the seeds germinated. The mother plant was blush. So these are some kind of P.daurica anyway.
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P.obovata ssp willmottiae is also a favourite, and now I have a few seedlings germinated from my own plants and also from seeds which I got from Hoy :)(they germinated only this spring)
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Leena- seeing your paeonias is a real pleasure.
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Thanks Maggi :) Spring and summer are the best of time.
Here is another one, P x hybrida, a natural hybrid between P.tenuifolia and P.anomala, common in Finnish gardens (not hybridized here, but common in old gardens and that way increased).
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To me those writings doesn't say anything, perhaps the labels are not from peonies?
Leena, I think you are right! The label has been re-used, on the other side there is just the letter A, the last letter of Paeonia! so this doesn't help. I will try to post a photo later when I have taken the photos off the camera.
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Leena, you certainly have a great collection of peonies!
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Hoy, your P.wendelboi looks so nice!
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Thanks Leena!
Here is a cross between lutea and delavayi:
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Lovely paeonies and photos Leena.
I haven't seen these beautiful old Finnish cultivars before. Are they associated with particular places or regions?
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I haven't seen these beautiful old Finnish cultivars before. Are they associated with particular places or regions?
'Kesähamonen' was found in old garden near Helsinki in the south, but I remember it may have been found also from other places also in the south of Finland. It does set seeds (I have gotten seeds from it but they never germinated, but a friend of mine has gotten fertile seeds from it and the offspring varies, but he has a lot of peonies so it may have hybridized) so I'm not sure if all of them are the same clone, but it is a very pretty peony. It flowers early and the flowers have more petals than species, the petals are somewhat wavy, the name 'Kesähamonen' is something like Small Summer Dress in English.
P x hybrida is more common, found in many gardens around Finland, and also from Sweden, I think.
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Like crumpled silk - very elegant.
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Peony season has finally begun in Nova Scotia. Tree Peony 'Renkaku' is blooming for the first time in our garden. It was planted last year without any bloom. Our super snowy and cold winter seem to have done it some good- six huge blooms on this small plant!
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Peony season has finally begun in Nova Scotia. Tree Peony 'Renkaku' is blooming for the first time in our garden. It was planted last year without any bloom. Our super snowy and cold winter seem to have done it some good- six huge blooms on this small plant!
Those blooms could hardly be any bigger - and what a good number from a young plant 8)
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Leena, thanks for showing your beautiful peonies! You really do have a very nice collection!!
Cheers, Hans
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Can anyone solve this puzzle for me? Several years ago I inherited some pots of seeds, and eventually a paeony seedling germinated. I did not make a note of the name, and now find that the label has snapped in two. The remaining writing is very faint, I think it says
------phyton
------anatum
VH Tibet, 4400m, slate, scree.
I know that the seed was collected by Vojtech Holubec. The plant is now flowering for the first time and it would be nice to know what it is. The flowers are pink.
Maybe found your plant in Vojtech's seed list from 2007
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Thanks Rudi, I think you have found the answer! So the label had been used on both sides. My plant is definitely a paeony.
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And here at last are some photos of my mystery paeony. Can anyone help with identification? Apologies for the tatty petals, the weather has not been kind to the garden this spring.
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Here is P. emodi, seed sown 2009, first flowers now.
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A Paeonia veitchii from seed and a much cleaner pink than any we've grown to date.
johnw
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Nice P.veitchii, John. Did it fade to white when the flower aged? That is what happens with my P.veitchii.
Carolyn, your peony is not familiar to me, but could it be P.mairei? Although P.mairei should be very early to flower in May, so that is why I'm not at all sure about it.
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Carolyn, your peony is not familiar to me, but could it be P.mairei? Although P.mairei should be very early to flower in May, so that is why I'm not at all sure about it.
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Thanks, Leena. Looking at photos of P. Mairei, I can see some ressemblance, but the petals of my flower are very narrow. I think I'll just need to wait until next year and see what the flowers are like then. Is it possible that in the first year of flowering the flowers are not typical? As for flowering time, everything is 2 to 3 weeks late because of the cold spring. I think this plant flowered after P. obovata alba had finished.
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I think P.mairei should flower before P.obovata, so maybe I'm wrong.
Yes, flowers can be untypical when flowering first time, but sometimes also plants grown from garden seeds have crossed and the flowers can be anything. I have had so many plants grown as this and that species and then they end up being something else, sometimes very pretty plants but couple of times also plants not worth growing.
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A chance seedling from a cross between delawayi and lutea. It is still small, but has started flowering. It is also late which is nice as it is growing at our summer house.
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Paeonia cambessedesii in the rock garden
cheers
fermi
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Nice plant Fermi ;)