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Title: Eranthis 2015
Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 11, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
In my garden the is several Eranthis with flower bud. In my greenhouse where I have my rare species, the first with flowers this years is Eranthis byunsanensis.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 11, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
Beautiful Karl, and such an amazing flower structure.
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Post by: johnstephen29 on January 11, 2015, 02:39:51 PM
Lovely eranthis Karl
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 11, 2015, 03:26:49 PM
Thirded ;D
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Post by: ruben on January 11, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
Stunning Karl! Does it set seed?
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Post by: Carlo on January 11, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
Ditto everyone else...AND a great name. I'd love to have a drift of this in the garden....
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 11, 2015, 04:59:47 PM
Yes it set seeds and there is a flowersize bulb after 4-5 years
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on January 13, 2015, 04:32:56 PM
Today I found a surprise in the garden.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Uwe on January 17, 2015, 03:36:54 PM

Eranthis longistipitata today
 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Uwe on January 17, 2015, 03:38:24 PM

Eranthis Schwefelglanz today
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 22, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
Some of my Eranthis pinnatifida is starting to Bloom.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Matt T on January 22, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
Great portrait of a lovely plant, Karl.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 24, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Thank you Matt. Another from today Eranthis pinnatifida Alba and seedlings from same plant.
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Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 24, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Eranthis hyamalis 'Orange Glowe'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: freddyvl on January 27, 2015, 05:22:19 PM
Myddleton House  ;D
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on January 27, 2015, 05:39:41 PM
So, 'Andenken an Johannes Raschke' is still a rare Eranthis?

 http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf) - has a super photo from Hagen of this double green flower, illustrating Wim Boen's article.

(Of course, this article has  been published since then  in  The Plantsman and also originally  in the Journal of the VRV , but only the IRG is free online  ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on January 28, 2015, 11:00:37 AM
I think Joe Sharman likes to have the odd high-priced item as a publicity stunt.  If he actually sells the thing then its win-win.  Personally I don't find 'Andenken ...' very attractive. 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 28, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
I actually picked it up, then I saw the price and put it back :)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Leena on January 30, 2015, 06:47:32 AM
Do voles like to eat Eranthis?
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 30, 2015, 08:46:58 AM
Unfortunately an old patch of Eranthis hyemalis have succumbed to Smut.  I have removed and disposed of them and my question really concerns any seedlings that might come through.  Are they similarly likely to be infected, in which case should I get rid of them at first sight?

Fortunately they are all well away from the part of the garden which has the 'specials' - sigh of relief!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on February 01, 2015, 11:41:13 AM
I have recently recieved some E. Longistipitata bulbils from Vlastimil Pilous, I looked on Google to read up on them, while I was on there I noticed that E.cilicica which is widely available over here is also from Asia, how come that species is so we'll know and available and none of the other Asian species aren't? All I can say is thanks goodness for Vlastimil and Janis for making these superb plants available to us.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 01, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Unfortunately an old patch of Eranthis hyemalis have succumbed to Smut.  I have removed and disposed of them and my question really concerns any seedlings that might come through.  Are they similarly likely to be infected, in which case should I get rid of them at first sight?

Fortunately they are all well away from the part of the garden which has the 'specials' - sigh of relief!

Seedlings that come through will very likely be infected too, Brian. The fungal-spores stay in the soil for 7 - 10 years. You did the right thing by throwing them away.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 01, 2015, 12:15:03 PM
I have recently recieved some E. Longistipitata bulbils from Vlastimil Pilous, I looked on Google to read up on them, while I was on there I noticed that E.cilicica which is widely available over here is also from Asia, how come that species is so we'll know and available and none of the other Asian species aren't? All I can say is thanks goodness for Vlastimil and Janis for making these superb plants available to us.

The other Asian species come from either Central-Asia (E. longistipitata) or from the Far East (all the white flowering species) and didn't reach us as easily as E. cilicica which grows in Turkey. Also they are a bit more trickier in cultivation and don't multiply that fast vegetatively.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 01, 2015, 01:03:41 PM
Seedlings that come through will very likely be infected too, Brian. The fungal-spores stay in the soil for 7 - 10 years. You did the right thing by throwing them away.

Would you suggest any method for disinfecting the soil, Wim, or is there nothing available to private gardeners?
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 01, 2015, 01:24:28 PM
Well if there is nothing available I shall just have to keep digging the seedlings up and disposing of them.  What a trial :-X
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 01, 2015, 01:56:20 PM
Would you suggest any method for disinfecting the soil, Wim, or is there nothing available to private gardeners?

Not really, I haven't heard anything that might disinfect the soil properly for this fungus :-\ It might be possible though, maybe something that is used for Trillium-smut since those two Urocystis species are closely related (never heard of anything against that either...)

Some say that treating the plants twice a year (when they just emerge and when the flowers fade) with a systemic fungicide works, but I've never tried that (thank God I've only ever once had Eranthis-smut). I just make sure no Eranthis grow on that place anymore... 

Well if there is nothing available I shall just have to keep digging the seedlings up and disposing of them.  What a trial :-X

Brian, I guess it would be best to remove the seedlings or grow something that crowds them out and isn't susceptible to Urocystis.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 01, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
Just to remind you all of this previous thread : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11609.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11609.0)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on February 01, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Hi wim thanks for your answer, from what you have said it makes sense to why the two easiest species were brough into distribution first.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 02, 2015, 08:16:10 AM
Got this recipe to prevent + heal smut on Trillium from John Lonsdale, I guess it would work on Eranthis too:

100% preventative + previously infected plants are clean using this treatment.
 
Prosaro

Prothioconazole  19.00% by weight
Tebuconazole    19.00% by weight
1.76 lbs/gal of prothioconazole plus 1.76 lbs/gal of tebuconazole in a liquid suspension
30-40ml/1.0-1.35 fl. oz.  per 4 gallon spray tank

Daconil Ultrex

Chlorothalonil    82.5% by weight
Water-dispersible granules
1.8oz per 4 gallon spray tank

Cleary 3336 F

Thiophanate-methyl      41.25% by weight
Liquid suspension
24ml/0.8 fl. oz. per 4 gallon spray tank

Combine all three in a single tank mix and spray 2-3 times at 2 week intervals between leaf emergence and flower opening. No soil drench necessary.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2015, 10:48:45 AM
Good grief - I know all fungicides etc can be dangerous in some circumstances, to some degree, but the detail sheets for these scare me :
Prosaro    http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp8M9001.pdf (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp8M9001.pdf)

Daconil Ultrex http://www.syngentacropprotection.com/pdf/labels/daconil_ultrex_28354_en_pamphlet.pdf (http://www.syngentacropprotection.com/pdf/labels/daconil_ultrex_28354_en_pamphlet.pdf)

Cleary 3336 F    http://greenhouse.ucdavis.edu/pest/labels/3336%20F%20label.PDF (http://greenhouse.ucdavis.edu/pest/labels/3336%20F%20label.PDF)

If they are so dangerous on their own, goodness only knows how toxic they may be  mixed together.    These are seriously toxic chemicals that need to be used VERY carefully with all possible attention to safety- and not by untrained persons near to human habitation.

The consequences of misuse may not only makre you, or your family,  ill - they might kill you.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 02, 2015, 11:36:41 AM
Tebuconazole   

Interestingly I have been advised that this is the ingredient to look out for, so I am sure that, lethal or not, this would do the trick.  Many thanks Wim.  I am now nervously keeping an eye on the 'specials'.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Hans J on February 02, 2015, 01:46:18 PM
Hi all ,

a nice person ( who works on a Research Institute for plant Protection ) gave me the advice to use Folicur against Urocystis eranthidis ( smut )

He use it against Urocystis trillii ( Trillium smut ) :  3 x spraying ,always wait two weeks , 0,5 ml per liter ,

Folicur (Tebuconazole 250g/ltr. ) is not available for private gardeners

Bayer Rosen-Pilzfrei Folicur (43,5 g/l Tebuconazole ) is possibly to buy for private gardeners ( here in Germany )

I have not tested until now …

Hans
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Gerdk on February 03, 2015, 03:23:25 PM
Congratulations to Wim Boens and Hagen Engelmann for the splendid Eranthis  article in ' Gartenpraxis 02 -2015 '
Gelb in allen Farben - Das aktuelle Eranthis-Sortiment (in German)
which I received today!

Gerd
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 03, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Congratulations to Wim Boens and Hagen Engelmann for the splendid Eranthis  article in ' Gartenpraxis 02 -2015 '
Gelb in allen Farben - Das aktuelle Eranthis-Sortiment (in German)
which I received today!

Gerd

   The link HERE (http://www.gartenpraxis.de/Service/PDF-Archiv/Gelb-in-allen-Farben,L0lNR19aT09NP0FJRD00NjQ5ODUyJkZJRD00NjQ5ODM0JlBDTUQ9fjA5NDE0OTQ0M0QzNDM2MzQzOTM4MzUzMjI2NEQ0OTQ0M0QzNzMzMzMzMDM1Jk1JRD03MzMwNQ.html?UID=8FBD0A507BB39B05E8FE7A8B9E0F1304625FE58AB8C2B80D7B) shows the  6 pages of the article 8)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on February 03, 2015, 04:53:18 PM
Hi Maggi thanks for posting wim & hagen's article on eranthus, couldn't understand a word of what was written, but I can admire the great pics.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 03, 2015, 05:01:01 PM
Wim's article has now appeared in the VRV  (Flemish Rock Garden Club) journal; in the IRG - issue 49 - here** (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf); in The RHS' Plantsman and now in Garten Praxis -  I have a feeling this must be the most widely published plant article by an archeologist ! Kind of shows just how valuable "amateurs" can be to the world of plants, eh?  :) 8) 8)

**  You can read that in English! ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 03, 2015, 06:44:50 PM
Wim's article has now appeared in the VRV  (Flemish Rock Garden Club) journal; in the IRG - issue 49 - here** (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf); in The RHS' Plantsman and now in Garten Praxis -  I have a feeling this must be the most widely published plant article by an archeologist ! Kind of shows just how valuable "amateurs" can be to the world of plants, eh?  :) 8) 8)

**  You can read that in English! ;)

And in the magazine of the Danish AGS (Don't want to brag, though)....Thanks for the compliments, Maggi....watch out for a small addendum in one of the next IRG's by the way!  ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 03, 2015, 06:45:25 PM
Congratulations to Wim Boens and Hagen Engelmann for the splendid Eranthis  article in ' Gartenpraxis 02 -2015 '
Gelb in allen Farben - Das aktuelle Eranthis-Sortiment (in German)
which I received today!

Gerd

Thanks Gerd!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 03, 2015, 07:17:36 PM
And in the magazine of the Danish AGS (Don't want to brag, though)....Thanks for the compliments, Maggi....watch out for a small addendum in one of the next IRG's by the way!  ;)
   "And in the magazine of the Danish AGS" - oh, I forgot that!

I'm happy for a supplement for the IRG anytime, Wim!   :D
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 04, 2015, 04:23:30 AM
Today is the beginning of spring in the traditional Japanese calendar :)
Here is the earliest eranthis flower at my garden this season. Its anthers are lighter colour than the normal.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 04, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
 Wishing you a Happy Spring, Tatsuo!

Our friend, Fred Carrie, the SRGC Webmaster and former nurseryman was visiting today and was just bowled over by the pink baby eranthis flowering from seed sown in 2012.  He's never seen anything like them before and was enchanted by them.  I expect  they will be featuring more in the Bulb Logs to come!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 04, 2015, 02:05:07 PM
Thank you Maggi :) I'm looking forward to seeing your eranthis seedlings on the coming Bulb Logs ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 04, 2015, 03:11:52 PM
Today is the beginning of spring in the traditional Japanese calendar :)
Here is the earliest eranthis flower at my garden this season. Its anthers are lighter colour than the normal.

Very beautiful, Tatsuo. Looking forward to seeing some more forms from your collection.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 08, 2015, 01:11:15 PM
Eranthis pinnatifida, ex Yoshida, Saitama, JP. An intense purple anther seedling from wild collected seed.
This season is not for my eranthis. Some pots have only single flower bud :( I have to pay more attention to them.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 08, 2015, 09:47:30 PM
Eranthis pinnatifida, ex Yoshida, Saitama, JP. An intense purple anther seedling from wild collected seed.
This season is not for my eranthis. Some pots have only single flower bud :( I have to pay more attention to them.

Such treasures, YT....you do have to coddle them a bit!!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 11, 2015, 10:21:55 AM
Such treasures, YT....you do have to coddle them a bit!!

I wii... and these seeds have been distributed to some formists yet for spare stock ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 11, 2015, 10:31:22 AM
Eranthis pinnatifida, pink form. Hiroshima, Shobara, Soryo.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 11, 2015, 10:40:55 AM
More lovely eranthis Tatsuo, if only we could grow them so well!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 11, 2015, 12:15:59 PM
More lovely eranthis Tatsuo, if only we could grow them so well!

 Funny you should say that, Brian - some of us are, with Tatsuo's help, trying very hard to do that.....
this week's Bulb Log : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb111423653854BULB_LOG_0615.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb111423653854BULB_LOG_0615.pdf)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 11, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
Thank you, Brian! Perhaps your climate fits to grow E. pinnatifida better than ours as Ian mentioned in his post HERE (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12747.msg323101#msg323101). Its growing period can be extended in your cooler spring weather and the bulbs grow quicker ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 11, 2015, 12:22:17 PM
Funny you should say that, Brian - some of us are, with Tatsuo's help, trying very hard to do that.....
this week's Bulb Log : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb111423653854BULB_LOG_0615.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb111423653854BULB_LOG_0615.pdf)

Thank you, Maggi :) Your link helps Brian better ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PM
Eranthis pinnatifida, pink form. Hiroshima, Shobara, Soryo.

Beautiful form, Tatsuo!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 11, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
A truly beautiful Eranthis Tatsuo!!!


Here is Eranthis longistipitata
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8573/16501803461_a3f5b87c16_o_d.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8682/15883378853_5cd381ccbb_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ichristie on February 11, 2015, 06:54:04 PM
Superb Eranthus so  good only tried a few yet and have found mice and voles love to eat E. pinnatifida what a pain,  cheers Ian the Christie kind
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 11, 2015, 09:22:13 PM
Funny you should say that, Brian - some of us are, with Tatsuo's help, trying very hard to do that.....
this week's Bulb Log : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb111423653854BULB_LOG_0615.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Feb111423653854BULB_LOG_0615.pdf)

Thank you Tatsuo and Maggi, I had greatly admired the Bulb Log this week!

Lovely colour on that Eranthis longistipitata Steve.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 11, 2015, 11:33:10 PM
Eranthis pinnatifida
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7435/15880975694_0ff36a905e_o_d.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/16477535806_5f5cf0b242_o_d.jpg)

They grow in a thick carpet here with individual flowers about the size of a Dahlia ........but don't tell Maggi! ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 12, 2015, 08:14:01 AM
They grow in a thick carpet here with individual flowers about the size of a Dahlia ........but don't tell Maggi! ;)

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: chasw on February 12, 2015, 03:50:32 PM
Yes Brian,I too enjoyed the bulb log and......................just wondered if it was Maggi's curling stone in the garden??
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on February 12, 2015, 05:51:26 PM
Some Eranthis hyemalis start to flower. Most of them still in bud. There have been many differences to see still in bud.

Eranthis hyemalis
Eranthis hyemalis 'Pauline'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Winterzauber'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schlyters Orange'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on February 12, 2015, 05:53:11 PM
Eranthis hyemalis 'Hafod'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Noël Ayres'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schlyters Gigant'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on February 12, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
Eranthis hyemalis 'Grünling'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ichristie on February 13, 2015, 07:41:23 AM
Thank you Ruben for such fantastic pictures I grow a few of the Eranthus that you post just about to show green still frozen solid here but they will be showing maybe next week,  cheers Ian the Christie kind
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maritfri on February 15, 2015, 04:24:09 PM
So many gorgeous Eranthis :)

I've tried several but the only one I have got to grow is Eranthis hyemalis and even this is not satisfied. I try again and these were new in autumn and comes from the garden of a friend.

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We had the first day of spring this weekend!

Marit
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Hans J on February 15, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
Here is a new pic from this year from Eranthis "Barbara"  :D

Named after my wife ...she found this plant before some years in our garden

have fun
Hans  8)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2015, 06:59:32 PM
Lovely, Hans - and 'Barbara' will soon feature in an update to the IRG of  Wim's article  8) :)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Hans J on February 15, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
...as always ...Maggi knows all  ;D

I had a big Problem to take a Picture ...after more than a week with fog ...
yesterday in the morning we had rain ...in the afternoon we got a little sun

My hope is that we next week get better weather
Hans
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 22, 2015, 02:20:10 PM
Eranthis stellata

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8610/16586557026_8f1d2e0b5f_o.jpg)
Perhaps I should have photo-shopped out the black blemish on the flower (this is the first time this plant has flowered for me -hopefully the flowers will be of greater substance next year).
Eranthis sibirica and stellata are bonny but are not in the same league as pinnatifida.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: YT on February 24, 2015, 11:51:41 AM
Beautiful E. stellata, Steve 8)

Here are Eranthis byunsanensis and E. pinnatifida multi-petalled albino :)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: fleurbleue on February 24, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
Nice pics of lovely plants Tatsuo  ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 24, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Lovely photographs and plants Tatsuo!!!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on February 24, 2015, 07:05:57 PM
Wonderful forms, Tatsuo...if they ever set seed   ;)  ;)  :-[
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ian mcenery on February 24, 2015, 10:59:32 PM
Beautiful E. stellata, Steve 8)

Here are Eranthis byunsanensis and E. pinnatifida multi-petalled albino :)

Lovely plant Tatsuo and a great photo. Mine are a little way from flowering yet ;)
Title: Re: February 2015 in the Northern Hemisphere
Post by: johngennard on February 25, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
Crocus tomasinianus just beginning to open
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johngennard on February 25, 2015, 10:14:15 AM
Aconites in my wood
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johngennard on February 25, 2015, 10:23:58 AM
aconites
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on February 25, 2015, 11:25:23 AM
John -  an absolute delight to see these shots - Ian and I had been wondering how your wonderful garden was doing this season - it seems the answer is - "very well indeed"   8)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: fleurbleue on February 25, 2015, 12:08:16 PM
amazing and beautiful  ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: David Nicholson on February 25, 2015, 12:19:44 PM
Beautiful, if only mine would seed around if only a bit.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johngennard on February 25, 2015, 03:45:13 PM
Thanks for your kind comments.The aconites and snowdrops obviously like my very heavy soil.I continue to scatter seed of both each season and in addition we divide and re-plant about 2000 snowdrops.

Sorry about the photos,I have just purchased an app for re-sizing on my Mac but obviously I am doing something wrong although the last images were treated exactly the same as the first.I wish I was more computer savvy.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 25, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
Lovely images Tatsuo and John, just imagine if Tatsuo's were in drifts like those!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Mavers on February 26, 2015, 07:39:29 AM
What a wonderful garden you have John., thank you for showing us.

I can feel a very slippery slope coming on with regard to eranthis, I recognise the symptoms....... ::)

Why does nature present with these wonderful things, gets us to succumb to their beauty only to cut them down with.............SMUT  :'(

Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 26, 2015, 08:28:00 AM
I can feel a very slippery slope coming on with regard to eranthis, I recognise the symptoms....... ::)

Fortunately most are hard to obtain - snowdrops are in general a bit easier ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johngennard on February 26, 2015, 01:20:39 PM
And unfortunately not as prolific.I have tried pinnatifida several times but without success although Schwefelgang appears to be more compliant having provided me with seed whilst growing in its pot and which has flowered this year from a sowing in 2012.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on February 27, 2015, 12:25:28 PM
Some eranthis hyemalis Cv's

1. the orange Eranthis hyemalis 'Schlyters Orange'
2. The semi double Eranthis hyemalis 'Hafod'
3. The double Eranthis hyemalis 'Noël Ayres'
4. A green one - Eranthis hyemalis 'Grünling'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on February 27, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
Some more Eranthis hyemalis cv's

Eranthis hyemalis 'Flore Pleno'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Lady Lamortagne'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schlyters Gigant'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on February 27, 2015, 06:51:18 PM
Eranthis hyemalis 'Pauline'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: udo on February 27, 2015, 07:10:31 PM
Nice Eranthis, Ruben

Two cultivare in my garden,
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz' and 'Orange Glow'
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on March 02, 2015, 06:27:54 PM
Thanks Dirk! Very nice group of Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz' !!

Here in flower today:
Eranthis hyemalis 'Lady Lamortagne' - a very good double form
Eranths hyemalis 'Schlyters Riese' - A very large hyemalis form with large flowers! New to me.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Carolyn on March 04, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
I bought some eranthis hyemalis a couple of years ago. One clump of them seems to be something different - is the second photo E. cilicica?  The ruff of leaves opened bronze and seem narrower.  These flowers also emerged later than the rest.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 08, 2015, 11:38:43 AM
All three of those traits suggest cilicica.  Garden centres are careless with labels and often fail to discriminate between the two species.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on March 08, 2015, 08:14:55 PM
I bought some eranthis hyemalis a couple of years ago. One clump of them seems to be something different - is the second photo E. cilicica?  The ruff of leaves opened bronze and seem narrower.  These flowers also emerged later than the rest.

Hi Carolyn,

you've got both species in one go ;) E. hyemalis (first pic) and E. cilicica (2nd pic)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Carolyn on March 08, 2015, 10:38:36 PM
Thanks, Alan and Wim. I bought them mail order  as E. Hyemalis "in the green" from a place in East Anglia. I'm pleased that the E. Cilicica is increasing and settling down - it's not supposed to be as hardy as E.hyemalis, is it?
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: hadacekf on March 11, 2015, 10:28:45 AM
Eranthis cilicica flowers always later than E.hyemalis.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: astragalus on March 11, 2015, 11:56:07 AM
They both look very happy.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 14, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
Eranthis sibirica
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 14, 2015, 01:40:42 PM
Stunningly beautiful, Jan !! 8) 8)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 14, 2015, 02:20:19 PM
Stunningly beautiful, Jan !! 8) 8)

Thank Maggi, hopefully this year will flourish.
 ;D
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Ian Y on March 14, 2015, 02:41:23 PM
I agree, such a beautiful group of this stunning plant and as for the one with the pink flush - wow.

I hope they do flourish for you Jan.
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 14, 2015, 02:45:57 PM
I agree, such a beautiful group of this stunning plant and as for the one with the pink flush - wow.

I hope they do flourish for you Jan.
Thanks for sharing.

There is also a bright yellow Eranthis stellata. But I have no photo




 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Ian Y on March 14, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
There is also a bright yellow Eranthis stellata. But I have no photo

Wow again, I have never heard of a yellow form Jan, sounds like there are more variations than I realise.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 14, 2015, 07:25:09 PM
Jan, those E. sibirica look stunning.  They appear to be growing out in the open.  Are there secrets to achieving this?  Is the straw important? 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 14, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
Jan, those E. sibirica look stunning.  They appear to be growing out in the open.  Are there secrets to achieving this?  Is the straw important?

Alan
Eranthis sibirica withstand all conditions / -50 degrees, a flood, drought, fire / still comes from Russia.
It is grown very easily, is indestructible.  ;D Only killer Eranthis mouse. ???
This is not a straw, it is a layer of old grass from last year. Eranthis stellata is far worse to grow, it is an aristocrat.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 15, 2015, 06:05:08 AM
Thank, Jan.  If your last year's grass is that dead then you have a much more severe winter than I do in the south of England.  I wonder if E. sibirica actually benefits from a severe winter?   
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 15, 2015, 10:01:47 AM
Thank, Jan.  If your last year's grass is that dead then you have a much more severe winter than I do in the south of England.  I wonder if E. sibirica actually benefits from a severe winter?   
Alan, Eranthis flower grows in the fall just below the soil surface and waiting for spring. In February-March begins to bloom. Flowering of the soil is frozen with the tuber. You can only dig a dynamite.  ;D
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 15, 2015, 10:07:51 AM
Eranthis longistipitata 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: astragalus on March 15, 2015, 01:29:16 PM
Is there a source for Eranthis sibirica?  Love all the eranthis but it would be so nice to mix this one in with the yellows which have naturalized themselves.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: arilnut on March 15, 2015, 03:28:17 PM
Hi Anne.  Go here  http://www.wildbulbs.eu/cypripedium/bulbs_catalogue.pdf (http://www.wildbulbs.eu/cypripedium/bulbs_catalogue.pdf)

or   wildbulbs.eu

John B
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 16, 2015, 06:30:48 AM
John, I searched online and had found that supplier.  Do you know if they can be trusted?  I would also think with Eranthis it might be better to start from seed. 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 16, 2015, 07:08:50 AM
John, I searched online and had found that supplier.  Do you know if they can be trusted?  I would also think with Eranthis it might be better to start from seed.

He can absolutely be trusted.

The Eranthis he sells grow on well after dormancy but they are accustomed to a longer colder winter than the southern UK experiences so are best grown in the coldest aspect the garden has to offer.

Just ask Jan! ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 16, 2015, 09:36:28 AM
Jan Jilek is a member of this Forum and can answer your questions about wildbulbs.eu
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: arilnut on March 16, 2015, 10:51:17 AM
Hi Alan.  I think Steve and Maggie covered it.


John B
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: astragalus on March 16, 2015, 11:10:31 AM
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 16, 2015, 02:18:47 PM
Thanks all.  I found it hard to work out who the site belonged to and that made me a bit wary.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Jan on March 16, 2015, 03:55:36 PM
Eranthis sibirica five years after sowing.

Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Leena on March 25, 2015, 06:55:02 AM
Eranthis hyemalis, is that right?
Many years ago I planted some from supermarket bag, a few survived but they haven't multiplied. Probably wrong place or something.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 25, 2015, 11:58:57 AM
Eranthis hyemalis, is that right?

Looks more like cilicica to me.  I think hyemalis is more hardy than cilicica so better-suited to your conditions.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on March 25, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Looks more like cilicica to me.  I think hyemalis is more hardy than cilicica so better-suited to your conditions.

Yes, cilicica indeed....put it in a warmer and sunnier place! E. hyemalis should be better for Finland!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Leena on March 25, 2015, 03:37:55 PM
Thank you Alan and Wim  :), I will move them to sunnier place!
I have bought E.hyemalis three times and each time I have gotten E.cilicica. >:(
Last summer I got two bulbs from a friend and I think they are E.hyemalis, but I planted them behind a fern where they are difficult to photograph.
I hope they will start to thrive and multiply.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 25, 2015, 04:03:05 PM
Leena, it will be different where you are but my Eranthis cilicica are flowering now whilst my Eranthis hyemalis start flowering around 1st January and finished weeks ago.  So just based on flowering time there should be little scope for confusion between the two species.   When you buy E. cilicica in a Garden Centre I suspect you get a plant from a greenhouse or poly-tunnel that has been brought-on to flower early.   
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 25, 2015, 04:12:30 PM
Eranthis hyemalis, is that right?
Many years ago I planted some from supermarket bag, a few survived but they haven't multiplied. Probably wrong place or something.

Often very surprising what comes out of these supermarket bags - I would not have expected E. cilicica from such a purchase.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Leena on March 25, 2015, 04:21:26 PM
Maggi, yes sometimes you can make finds with just a little money. :)

Leena, it will be different where you are but my Eranthis cilicica are flowering now whilst my Eranthis hyemalis start flowering around 1st January and finished weeks ago.  So just based on flowering time there should be little scope for confusion between the two species.   

That's why I was mistaken with this Eranthis, it was the first to flower of my few Eranthis. The ones which I bought last autumn and which I suspect are cilicica (round tubers) though they were sold as hyemalis, have not come up yet.

These are the ones I got last year from a friend. Is the one on the right also hyemalis?
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on March 26, 2015, 06:28:39 AM
That's why I was mistaken with this Eranthis, it was the first to flower of my few Eranthis. The ones which I bought last autumn and which I suspect are cilicica (round tubers) though they were sold as hyemalis, have not come up yet.

These are the ones I got last year from a friend. Is the one on the right also hyemalis?

These are all hyemalis, Leena!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 26, 2015, 12:12:16 PM
Jan Jilek is a member of this Forum and can answer your questions about wildbulbs.eu

The website at http://www.wildbulbs.eu/ (http://www.wildbulbs.eu/) seems to have defeated me.  I tried to order some (Eranthis) seeds but the process culminated in a message being sent rather than a request for payment and I have not (yet) had a response in the 10 days or so since I tried.  Does anybody know if this is par or did I go wrong somewhere, as I fear. 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2015, 12:42:56 PM
I think we have discussed this before - is this where one makes and order and waits to be told  when payment is required ?

edit -  perhaps not ..... but Jan Jilek can be contact ed via the forum....
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on March 26, 2015, 05:26:03 PM
Hi Maggi I wonder if I could help through my own experience, it was my understanding that if you are a new customer you should send payment with your order, I orded some bulbs which will not be ready till the autumn so was told to send a predate  cheque with plenty of time on it so it does not run out. Previous customers if I remember get sent an invoice either before or with the order. Hope this helps Alan.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
Thanks, John - personal experience always the best.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on March 27, 2015, 06:26:29 AM
Thanks, John, that sort of helps and it sort of doesn't.  It is very easy to use Paypal or a credit card to make payments in a foreign currency, my bank charges a £20 fee for each credit transfer and will not issue cheques (as of 11 days ago).  So short of sending actual currency then I don't know how to send payment with an order.  The site co-run by Janis Ruskins http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/ (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/) is the same; I've never placed an order there because I'm not looking to buy hundred of pounds worth so the £20 fee for a credit transfer is prohibitive.     
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Leena on March 27, 2015, 07:06:45 AM
These are all hyemalis, Leena!

Thank you Wim. :)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 27, 2015, 10:56:01 AM
Thanks, John, that sort of helps and it sort of doesn't.  It is very easy to use Paypal or a credit card to make payments in a foreign currency, my bank charges a £20 fee for each credit transfer and will not issue cheques (as of 11 days ago).  So short of sending actual currency then I don't know how to send payment with an order.  The site co-run by Janis Ruskins http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/ (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/) is the same; I've never placed an order there because I'm not looking to buy hundred of pounds worth so the £20 fee for a credit transfer is prohibitive.   
Janis has a UK bank account so payment is easy.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on March 27, 2015, 12:31:28 PM
There you go alan problem sorted, Ralph to the rescue.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on April 14, 2015, 11:18:54 AM
Oh dear, this cannot be good news! Fortunately just a clump of ordinary Eranthis hiemalis is affected.  The stem on the right has swellings and on the left presumably what happens when these burst open.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: pehe on April 19, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
Alan, it is Eranthis Smut >:(.
I have had this disease for several years, but this year I tried spraying 3 times with Bayer Rosen-Pilzfrei Folicur (43,5 g/l Tebuconazole ) as described in reply #31.
It worked :D, so there is still hope!

Poul
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on April 19, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
Smut (Urocystis eranthidis) indeed, you can throw away the clump (not on the compost heap but in the garbage bin) or try the Tebuconazole as Poul said!
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: olegKon on April 27, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
1. Eranthis hyemalis Flore Pleno
2. Eranthis hyemalis Grunling
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Olive Mason on May 07, 2015, 06:57:53 AM
Help  I have just found a clump of Eranthis hiemalis 'Flore Pleno' affected with smut.  I have removed all the top growth, is this sufficient or should I dig up the whole clump to prevent it spreading?
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 07, 2015, 08:27:25 AM
I took up all the tubers that had smut and got rid of them.  I think if it is only one clump Olive I'd do that.  I then sprayed other seedlings that came through in that area (I saw the infestation early in the year).  Sorry to hear you have it, is it just that we are telling each other or do you think it is a result of the weather for the last few years?
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on May 23, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
The website at http://www.wildbulbs.eu/ (http://www.wildbulbs.eu/) seems to have defeated me.... 
..... but Jan Jilek can be contacted via the forum.

Jan Jilek read this thread and found my message in his spam folder so he contacted me.  As it had been a bad year for seeds he persuaded me to buy corms instead; these arrived yesterday.  I purchased E. sibirica and stellata and got corms the size of a large pea which I'm very pleased with.  Everything went smoothly after the initial false start.  But it remains to be seen if my plan to try to grow these outdoors will come to anything.     
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: johnstephen29 on May 23, 2015, 07:50:12 PM
Hi Alan what is jan's forum name on here as I would like some corms of these eranthis species if he has any left.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on May 23, 2015, 08:05:08 PM
  It's Jan  !
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: stick on May 24, 2015, 02:10:48 PM
Jan Jilek read this thread and found my message in his spam folder so he contacted me.  As it had been a bad year for seeds he persuaded me to buy corms instead; these arrived yesterday.  I purchased E. sibirica and stellata and got corms the size of a large pea which I'm very pleased with.  Everything went smoothly after the initial false start.  But it remains to be seen if my plan to try to grow these outdoors will come to anything.   

I have contacted Jan several times and asked him for more detailed information on growing Eranthis stellata and E. sibirica in the garden, but have never received a reply.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on June 08, 2015, 05:11:23 PM
Members will be aware that the Japanese Nursery, Yuzawa Engei are SRGC members who advertise in "The Rock Garden" - they have announced on Facebook that
they have  added Shibateranthis pinnatifida (Eranthis pinnatifida) to their  list.
http://www.yuzawa-engei.net/ (http://www.yuzawa-engei.net/)…/12SummerSele/12SummerSele.html
"This is rarely offered in last few years."

 Shibateranthis pinnatifida (Eranthis pinnatifida)
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Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 09, 2015, 03:19:39 AM
Not as exciting as the last pic, but this is the first flower on Eranthis cilicica from seed from Peter Korn in 2007!
For Redesdale this is quite an achievement - I have to grow it in a shade house!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 09, 2015, 09:07:44 AM
Not as exciting as the last pic...

Perhaps not in how photogenic it is, but exciting that you can manage to grow it where you are :D
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on December 07, 2015, 10:32:30 PM
Good old Eranthis hyemalis but flowering weeks earlier than usual.
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on December 08, 2015, 01:24:13 PM
Good old Eranthis hyemalis but flowering weeks earlier than usual.

WOW, very early and a bit pale looking  ;)
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Alan_b on December 08, 2015, 01:38:04 PM
Now two flowers and both pointing skyward.  I have one particular spot where they flower first - but that's usually around 1st January.  I don't know whether its a favourable micro-climate or the gene pool in that little area. 
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: Peppa on December 22, 2015, 02:25:55 AM
I've heard from lots of people that they are having a warm winter... I usually start checking my Eranthis pinnatifida pots around early January, but I just happened to take a look at them yesterday. I'm glad that I did, because they've already started to germinate! :o


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Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: ruben on December 26, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
Eranthis hyemalis 'Winterzauber' - the first to flower this winter
Title: Re: Eranthis 2015
Post by: WimB on December 29, 2015, 08:14:04 AM
Eranthis are starting to flower  :)

Eranthis hyemalis 'Birte' in bud
Eranthis hyemalis 'Double Strike Group'
regular Eranthis hyemalis
and Eranthis 'Schlyters Gigant'
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