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Title: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on January 11, 2015, 12:55:15 PM
Hyacinthella millengrenii
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: ruben on January 11, 2015, 04:00:20 PM
Very nice Yann! Where can you get this one?
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: ruben on January 11, 2015, 04:01:08 PM
Muscari leucostomum in flower. The earliest Muscari in op garden for me.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Thomas Huber on January 12, 2015, 09:16:38 AM
M. leucostomum is also the first in my garden, first flower started in November !
This one is planted near the house wall, others planted more in the open start just now.
Title: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on February 02, 2015, 05:35:07 AM
Muscari coeleste, from Janis' nursery :)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Matt T on February 02, 2015, 07:37:54 AM
Isn't that beautiful? Such delicately coloured marking, each flower is like a perfect little porcelain bell.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on February 06, 2015, 06:51:47 AM
Yes, it is, Matt. Sometimes such close-up pictures attract us more than the real plants.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on February 07, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
Hyacinthella acutiloba
Hyacinthella heldreichii
Hyacinthella lazulina
Muscari inconstrictum
Muscari commutatum
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on February 14, 2015, 09:06:48 AM
Muscari leucostomum JJA689.8500
Muscari commutatum (other form i grow)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Oron Peri on February 17, 2015, 02:07:48 PM
Many Bellevalia species are in bloom at the moment:

Bellevalia trifoliata
B. sitiaca
B. mauritanica
B. flexuosa [with Ornithogalum neurostegium subsp. eigii]

Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: art600 on February 17, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Oron

Bellevalia sitiaca is a beauty - quite unlike most Bellevalia.

I am awaiting the flowering of a couple of unknown Bellevalia, but I don't think I will be lucky to have this beauty among them.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: David Nicholson on February 20, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
One from the greenhouse today Muscari inconstrictum this from seed from Kurt Vickery under the label SL125 Jordon and sown October 2010. Flowering for the first time.

Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: ashley on February 20, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
It's a nice one isn't it David.  Looks like you may have some seed-set too.
I'm pollinating by hand whenever I think of it, but results are patchy maybe because of fluctuating temperatures.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on February 20, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
4 years to achieve a beauty, well done David
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: David Nicholson on February 20, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
Thanks Ashley and Yann. It usually takes me a year longer than anyone else for virtually everything, neglect probably!
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on February 23, 2015, 02:31:37 PM
Muscari discolor, JJA 689.270. Turkey, Mardin, N of Mardin. 1100m.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on March 03, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
Muscari azureum, JJA 688.205. Turkey, Kahramanmaras, S of Goksun. 1240m. Cultivated field. Ex. R.& R.Wallis 93-28.

Muscari leucostomum, JJA 689.851. Tadjikistan, no further data. I got the seeds as a substitute for JJA 689.850 but these seedlings don't look like N. leucostomum ???
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on March 09, 2015, 04:19:27 PM
Muscari pseudomuscari, JJA 690.700. Ex. Iran, Mazandaran, S of Chalus. 1500m. Ledges on limestone cliffs.

Hyacinthella dalmatica 'Grandiflora'
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: papapoly on March 09, 2015, 05:38:54 PM
I am growing from seed (AGS) this hyacinthus species listed as chionophyllus.  Leaves at base are more than 10 mm.  Tube is longer than perianth segments.  I am not sure whether it is orientalis ssp orientalis or orientalis ssp chionophyllus.

Can anyone help?

George 
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 09, 2015, 06:06:24 PM
Some notes from elsewhere in the forum on H. orientalis :

Quote from: Tony Willis on December 29, 2009, 04:57:46 PM
This is Hyacinthus orientalis ssp chionophyllus. I cannot see any difference from ssp orientalis which I also grow. This was discussed earlier in the year.
[attachimg=1]

Quote  from:  Oron Peri on December 29, 2009, 05:58:41 PM
Tony
these turquoise spots on the tube are typical to this ssp. but the more evident differences are the leaves, which are much wider in ssp. chionophyllus and the lobes are the same length as the tube, while in ssp orientalis they are shorter.

It might be that under the conditions you grow them leaves don't show difference due to lack of sun, but in their natural habitat it is quite easy to notice it.
Beautiful plant!!!


http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1046.msg77630#msg77630   - further discussion and more pictures

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Hyacinthus orientalis.
These plants are grown from seeds collected at  low elevation above the Lake of Galilee,
It as an early bloomer, starting mid December. (Oron Peri)

And this question  and pictures from Rimmer De Vries  last year- which strangely, went  unanswered:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11670.0



"H. orientalis is usually 15-20cm tall in bloom, sometimes more. Leaves four to six, erect, linear to linear-elliptic, 5mm or more wide, more or less channelled. Flowers usually about six to eight but can be fewer or up to twelve, light grey-blue to violet blue, the tubes darker, the lobes one half to four fifths as long as the tube, spreading, then reflexed, spring. Turkey to western Syria, on rocky limestone slopes in scrub, at 400-1600m. H.o. subsp. chionophyllus has leaves 1.2-1.5cm wide and tepal lobes as long as the tube. Turkey, on limestone slopes, screes and cliffs at 1600-2500m, often by melting snow. "
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on March 14, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
Muscari chalusicum, one of my favorit
Muscari commutatum
Muscari grandifolium ssp populeum ABS4357
Muscari verticillaris
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: art600 on March 17, 2015, 07:55:14 AM
Some plants growing in my bulb house recently

Muscari discolor

Muscari sp.

Muscari muscarimi
Muscari muscarimi - 2 weeks later.  Wonderful perfume
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on March 17, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
I wish we had a scent button - We had Fred Admin's beloved Collie,  Suzie, staying with us recently and  I should have kept her  hostage when he came back from his trip to NZ , until he fixed this!  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Matt T on March 17, 2015, 11:15:28 AM
I almost thought you were going to say you wanted to click and smell Collie!  :o

Having just bathed Moya to remove some unidentified but very smelly bird poo I thought this unlikely  :)

Puppies ears on the other hand smell gorgeous!
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on March 17, 2015, 02:44:50 PM
I almost thought you were going to say you wanted to click and smell Collie!  :o
That reminds me the wet dog smell of corked wine :-X

Muscari ‘Early Rose’
Muscari discolor, JJA 689.270
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on March 17, 2015, 08:00:29 PM
the discolor is nice, muscari muscari has a strong perfum.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Roma on March 18, 2015, 03:09:31 PM
This Muscari was grown from seed of 'Pink Sunrise'.  I've also got seedlings from 'Gul' but no flowers this year though there was a small flower spike last year.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Oron Peri on March 21, 2015, 11:28:26 AM
Leopoldia cycladica [syn Muscari cycladicum] Ex. Santorini and Leopoldia bicolor Ex. Coastal Israel
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on March 21, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
Leopoldia cycladica [syn Muscari cycladicum] Ex. Santorini and Leopoldia bicolor Ex. Coastal Israel

Both look well established at your place, Oron :)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on March 21, 2015, 01:36:08 PM
Muscari armeniacum, ex. pink form :) Grown from hand pollinated seeds of a slightly darker colour seedling selected from JJA 688.012 ::)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Tim Ingram on April 26, 2015, 07:01:37 AM
Bellevalia dubia flowering in the garden at the moment. The young flower buds are such a vivid blue.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: ebbie on May 04, 2015, 05:39:02 PM
Two quite similar Muscari

Muscari massayanum
(http://up.picr.de/21807322qo.jpg)

Muscari mirum
(http://up.picr.de/21807323qd.jpg)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: olegKon on May 08, 2015, 07:54:35 AM
Muscari pseudomuscari is not easy for me but one of my favorites   
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on May 15, 2015, 12:54:32 PM
these were blooming in late April here

seedlings from "Gul"
 it later turned out this bunch was mixed with nice white with blue tint form of pseudomuscari chalusicum.

the large pinkish one i think is "Pink Sunrise"
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 19, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
One from the greenhouse today Muscari inconstrictum this from seed from Kurt Vickery under the label SL125 Jordon and sown October 2010. Flowering for the first time.
Here are 2 clones of Muscari inconstrictum, the first was grown from Kurt Vickery in 2009 and sown 29-05-2010, first flower 2014;
the second is from AGS Seedex 2009 and had first flower in 2013,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 09, 2015, 02:32:05 PM
Muscari commutatum grown from seed from Goteborg 2010,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 15, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
Muscari ex"Gul (Delight)"
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 20, 2015, 09:37:37 AM
Muscari pseudomuscari is not easy for me but one of my favorites
Hi Oleg,
I'm not sure if this is the same plant - ours came from a Seedex as Muscari azureum I think - it's now supposed to be calle Pseudomuscari azureum,

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: olegKon on August 21, 2015, 09:04:10 AM
Hello Fermi,
The plants really look similar. Mine should be Muscari pseudomuscari (or Pseudomuscari chalusicum). It is a much taller plant with narrower leaves which show up the previous autumn here to overwinter under snow. Pseudomuscari azureum arrives soon after the snow melts together with the leaves and is rather tiny, especially its blue variant. There are nice pictures of both in the Pacific Bulb Society site if you are to compare. Glad you are enjoying your "spring time" which is very promising
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on August 30, 2015, 01:47:18 PM
An interesting query on a Scilla/Hyacinthella ID  in this thread :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12719.msg339890#msg339890 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12719.msg339890#msg339890)  which may tie in to discussions here.

Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on September 09, 2015, 04:57:40 PM
Muscari parviflorum blooming now at summer end,
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on December 12, 2015, 04:40:22 PM
Muscari adilii is not shy this year, mid-december and already flowering!

24/12 new state of inflorescence
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: ruben on December 17, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
The very early Muscari's (normal for this time of year)

Muscari arm. 'Christmas Pearl'
Muscari leucostomum
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2015, 05:37:12 PM
I love to see Muscari at this stage - they are so sculptural at  this  point.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on December 19, 2015, 03:20:52 PM
with almost one month ahead Hyacinthella millengrenii
the dry compost is made of small granit chips, sharp sand and 20% light soil
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on December 24, 2015, 03:54:11 PM
Christmas bells  ;) Muscari inconstrictum
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on December 26, 2015, 08:29:37 AM
Muscari discolor, JJA 689.270, ex the type-locality. This muscari usually flowers in February here.
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: YT on December 26, 2015, 09:12:26 AM
Christmas bells  ;) Muscari inconstrictum
Lovely Christmas bells, Yann :)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Yann on December 26, 2015, 02:24:41 PM
Muscari adilii is opening more and more
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: pehe on December 27, 2015, 05:44:50 AM
Yann and Tatsuo,
These are the most beautiful Muscari!

Poul
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on December 27, 2015, 01:34:56 PM
How lovely these muscari are.

 I found this one posted on Facebook by Ruben Billiet :
 [attachimg=1]
Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis Yild. & B.Selvi
 Ot Sist. Bot. Dergisi 9(1): 9 2002.


 and here is a related paper
Okan SEZER et al., Some morpho-anatomical studies on rare endemic Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis 28 Biological Diversity and Conservation – 6 / 2 (2013)

http://www.biodicon.com/YayinlananMakaleler/04.%20282-1112.pdf (http://www.biodicon.com/YayinlananMakaleler/04.%20282-1112.pdf)
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 27, 2015, 03:50:26 PM
How do you pronounce that? Oh, I know - with difficulty!
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Maggi Young on December 27, 2015, 04:30:09 PM
How do you pronounce that? Oh, I know - with difficulty!

 Quite so, Ralph - I did try -  and still looking for the rest of my teeth!
Title: Re: Muscari & relatives 2015
Post by: Gabriela on December 27, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
How lovely these muscari are.

 I found this one posted on Facebook by Ruben Billiet :

Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis Yild. & B.Selvi
 Ot Sist. Bot. Dergisi 9(1): 9 2002.
 

They don't think that other people would like to 'say' their name, do they?  :)
You are right, they are all very lovely, I might start growing some...
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