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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Maggi Young on January 02, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
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Some tubers for the "Bulb" section of the forum.......
From last year - on the subject of big old cyclamen tubers -
I don't have any actually, but I wanted to share that a friend from my greek forum found some extraordinarily large graecum bulbs in her cottage garden after getting rid of a large cane patch (thank god before the tractor got to them..) The largest of them weighs 17.5 kilos!! She gave them ancient philosophers' names and said she will move them in some kind of secret garden of hers... She's still trying to establish how old they might be! Care to guess?
http://fyta.createforumhosting.com/topic-t10199.html (http://fyta.createforumhosting.com/topic-t10199.html)
The full story in IRG #60 (International Rock Gardener) and
pictures of giant Cyclamen graecum from her Greek garden by Stavroula Ventouri
and Stavros Apostolou is here http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Dec221419264038IRG60.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Dec221419264038IRG60.pdf)
And now I share these photos by Robbie Blackhall Miles from his recent visit to Israel - these Cyclamen persicum tubers from the Tel-Aviv Botanic Garden are thought to be at least 100 years old!
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Robbie has also shown these cyclamen, embedded in a large rock , which has been moved to be a feature ....
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Cyclamen hederifolium tuber on 1-foot ruler:
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That's a beauty, Gene. I'd call it "plumptious" (- which I once feared may not be a real word and was mightily glad to discover was recognised!)
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That's a nice big tuber you have there Gene, it must be quite a site when it is in flower. In the house I have three cyclamen in flower all persicum, first is a red cultivar started just before Christmas with plenty of buds to cum, second is a white cultivar which seems a lot more vigorous that the red, lastly is persicum var Autumnale which started just before Christmas, all three are making a great display in the kitchen windowsill, and have been owed and ard over by visitors.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7480/15996376540_0c3f6d8998_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15996376540/)
Cyclamen Persicum cultivars (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15996376540/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7565/16183689195_6e04721fd0_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16183689195/)
Cyclamen Persicum cultivars white (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16183689195/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8637/15997860157_b82afd7c2e_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15997860157/)
Cyclamen Persicum var Autumnale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15997860157/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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We were at the local Dobies about a month ago and they were clearing out cyclamen, what I took to be persicum houseplants, but some were in 9cm pots with labels suggesting them for the open garden. At 50p a go seemed worth a try. I put half a dozen into a sunny border, and all seem ok so far, but one in particular has stood up very sturdily, and I see it has now set seed. (A planter by the window in the kitchen, with several persicum in it, has set seed very generously this year).
The 50p one has a flower not unlike this plain-leaved coum, though the 50p flowers are about four times the size.
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This simplebt wet Cyclamen coum shone brightly in this morning's sun.
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After more enthusiasm and skill, and some of the advice given to me here. This is what my Cyclamen seeds have done within six weeks. (If I told you is wasn't proud of myself I would be lying :))
The pictures should come me OK now.
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(Files are to big to make into thumbnails)
Your Tinypic has too many adverts for me, have you tried the SRGC re-sizing tool?
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After more enthusiasm and skill, and some of the advice given to me here. This is what my Cyclamen seeds have done within six weeks. (If I told you is wasn't proud of myself I would be lying :))
(Files are to big to make into thumbnails)
Well, done - really exciting when you see the little plants growing, isn't it?
You can find the picture sizing tool here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0) - it only works with windows machines - but there is other advice in the forum - such as here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.0)
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Your Tinypic has too many adverts for me, have you tried the SRGC re-sizing tool?
Ok David, I use chrome which seems to not show any ads, I'll use photobucket of something else next time.
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Well, done - really exciting when you see the little plants growing, isn't it?
You can find the picture sizing tool here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0) - it only works with windows machines - but there is other advice in the forum - such as here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.0)
After using the re-size tool. It still say they are too big. Oh well, they will have to stay as links.
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If you open a picture in Paint you can resize it there. After a while you get a feel for the file size your camera generates and therefore the percentage you need to set resize to.
The process is
Right click on picture.
Choose "Open With" and then "Paint".
Under the Home Tab in Paint you will see "Resize"
In my case I find 30-35 works and I then upload to the forum.
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Just sorting through some photos from last year and I thought this photo of cyclamen seedlings might be of interest. The potful on the left was germinated by the "Reading method" - which in essence means soaking the seeds overnight to plump them up, sowing them at a steady 15 or 16C and keeping them in the dark. C hederifolium germinated after around 21 days using this method. The pots were then moved to an unheated greenhouse for the winter. The pot on the right was my "control". The same number of seeds were sown and the pot was placed in a coldframe. It was brought into the greenhouse at the same time as the other pots. The seeds were sown Sept 2013, the photo was taken at Christmas 2013 and the difference in growth remained throughout 2014. I have also found this method gives better germination for many cyclamen species.
Carolyn McHale
Cyclamen hederifolium seedlings
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Carolyn, that's a great illustration - I've seen various debates on this and I've now moved to a semi Reading method which excludes the pre-soak.
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Unless seed is very fresh I think a pre-soak is always a good idea.
As for keeping pots at a steady 15-16 degrees C - I would be grateful to be kept at that temperature myself- fat chance for me with the Bulb Despot in charge and no chance for any seed pots! ;D!
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Mark,
Why do you not pre-soak the seeds? I find it plumps them up nicely and perhaps removes germination inhibitors. My seed is harvested in July and I store it until September - just incase we get a heatwave. I can guarantee a nice steady temperature of 15C or so by September. The pots go into a cardboard box and are stored in the bottom of a little-used wardrobe (I have a very understanding husband!).
Carolyn
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hi, the non soaking of seed is down to two factors - one because I noted that a number of growers in the Cyclamen Society article had dropped that and because domestics/ logistics make it difficult here. So far I've not noticed much difference in germination rates.
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I'll try an experiment with soaking/not soaking next September.
Carolyn
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Hi I have some cyclamen Coum plants in flower and I noticed one, a descendant of a plant I got from Peter when he still ran Tile Barn looked a bit odd. On a couple of flower stalks are a single leaf exactly like the normal leaves, has anyone seen anything like this.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7565/16044551850_2eac84047c_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16044551850/)
Cyclamen Coum (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16044551850/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8591/15609522394_9e330984e2_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15609522394/)
Cyclamen Coum (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15609522394/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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John
it is not particularly unusual as is sometimes having two flowers on a stalk.
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Hi tony thanks for getting in touch, this is the first time I have seen this, I have had a plant with two flowers to a stalk.
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I'm much relieved - I got this Cyclamen from Otto last year and was dismayed when it went dormant with hardly any foliage development - but today I discovered these blooms peering through the mulch!
Cyclamen rohlfsianum in flower in mid summer,
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen pseudibericum ssp roseum
two Cyclamen alpinum
Cyclamen coum seedling from 'Maurice dryden'
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Loverly cyclamen plants fermi & tony.
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very nice Tony! The pseudo-ibericum seems very early, I think the buds on mine are only just surfacing.
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very nice Tony! The pseudo-ibericum seems very early, I think the buds on mine are only just surfacing.
Mark
yes I thought it is early but looking at previous years records it is fairly typical.
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Nice plants, Tony, and earlier than mine. Not sure about the 'Maurice Dryden' ID though. As well as the white flowers, I thought this variety also has silver/pewter leaves with a thin green edge?
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Nice plants, Tony, and earlier than mine. Not sure about the 'Maurice Dryden' ID though. As well as the white flowers, I thought this variety also has silver/pewter leaves with a thin green edge?
yes Steve - that one has the christmas tree leaf - so not like any of the 'Maurice Dryden' I have seen
C Coum 'Golan Heights' looks like it is going to flower with me and that has a solid green leaf
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you are both probably correct and it more than likely a seedling from Maurice Dryden. I did self it many years ago. I will amend my posting.
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A light form of Cyclamen alpinum, grown from seed (SRGC 07/08-1044, sown August 2008) and, I think, Cyclamen coum ssp. caucasiacum also from seed (SRGC 08/9-1024, sown October 2009)
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A light form of Cyclamen alpinum, grown from seed (SRGC 07/08-1044, sown August 2008) and, I think, Cyclamen coum ssp. caucasiacum also from seed (SRGC 08/9-1024, sown October 2009)
Look at all those flower buds! Stunning. You certainly have the touch with Cyclamen, David.
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Matt, I think they do it all on their own with minimal intervention from me ;D
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I'll also try neglect then and hope for similar results :)
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;D ;D ;D
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Loverly cyclamen David
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Thank you John.
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nice flowers today :
Cyclamen coum "Porcelain"
Hans 8)
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nice flowers today :
Cyclamen coum "Porcelain"
Hans 8)
Hans - that is one good looking Coum
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Thanks Graeme :D :D
I think also it is amazing ...
Hans
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Cyclamen coum in the garden
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Cyclamen coum in the garden
Good to meet you here Johan . Maggi wil be happy to ....... ;)
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A light form of Cyclamen alpinum, grown from seed (SRGC 07/08-1044, sown August 2008)
Very nice plant David .And always more delight when growing plants from seeds .... ;)
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Cyclamen coum in the garden
A very warm welcome to you, Johan - Kris is correct - I am more than delight to meet another VRV friend in these pages!
So many fine plants being shown now that I feel that the winter cannot be too long this year - I hope that is how it works out, anyway!
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nice flowers today :
Cyclamen coum "Porcelain"
Hans 8)
Delicate and quite stunning.
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Hans - that is one good looking Coum
I think so too ;D
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nice flowers today :
Cyclamen coum "Porcelain"
Hans 8)
Oh yes , great plant indeed !
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Thank you all for your compliments :D
Hans
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Some coum flowering in the greenhouse.
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And, washing my dirty linen in public, here's what happens when you get the watering wrong and water collects on the crown. Really stupid! Particularly annoyed about the Maurice Dryden, it's one of my oldest coums and I repotted from clay into a larger plastic pot last autumn with a view to then double potting for showing in the Spring as the plant can flop a bit otherwise. I should really have been much more careful after moving the plant into plastic. I don't think I'll be overly troubling the judges...!
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Hi steve I know where your coming from I've done the same with a loverly scented Coum, just hoped I've saved it. While I'm at it come anybody give me some advice please, I recieved a delivery of cyclamen today, 6 plants in all in growth, in plastic bags. I can't plant them till the weekend as its dark when I get home from work, what's the best way to store them till then. Thanks John
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Thank you all for your compliments :D
Hans
another one on my wants list.........
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Hi steve I know where your coming from I've done the same with a loverly scented Coum, just hoped I've saved it. While I'm at it come anybody give me some advice please, I recieved a delivery of cyclamen today, 6 plants in all in growth, in plastic bags. I can't plant them till the weekend as its dark when I get home from work, what's the best way to store them till then. Thanks John
John - it would probably be ok to leave them in the bags to contain the roots but open the tops so that air can circulate. Then just put them somewhere cool and in good light indoors until the weekend.
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Thanks for the advice Steve, your a star.
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Yesterday in our meadow garden - rain and snow, +2°C, but the self sown
Cyclamen coum in the grass did not mind. Rather early for my taste.
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Lesley's posting in the "January 2015 in the Southern Hemisphere" thread about the disappearance of Trillium seed pods has prompted me to post these two photos. The first is a dark flowering hederifolium that was covered in leaves in the autumn. The second is a purpurascens. Not a pretty sight. I know that rodents are partial to cyclamen seed pods(although I've never lost any that way) but in all my years of growing cyclamen I have never seen a plant's leaves munched right back to the top dressing like this >:(. I think it must have been mice (judging from the evidence in the traps that I subsequently set) but fairly unusual I'd have thought. It's not as though we're having a severe winter with freezing temperatures and snow cover and the rodents desperate for food - there must be plenty about for them to eat. Nothing else has been touched, just a few cyclamen in pots...
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Hello Steve, do you think it might be worth looking at night with a torch or remove the grit on the pot to see if anything is hiding just to ensure its not caterpiller damage?
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Wouldn't mice prefer to tuck into a fat, juicy tuber rather than the leaves? I'd be inclined to see if any other critter might also be lurking/visiting.
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One autumn I moved a big Maddenia into the greenhouse and set the tub on bricks. Unbeknownst to us a mouse moved in through the drainage hole and set up home and family. That was until one morning when all the cyclamen leaves were eaten and some tubers thrown hither and yon. Most of the plants survived though some took a few years to make new growing points.
Snow ankle deep here though the Annapolis Valley had a raging blizzard, already 2 ft of snow there as of 11am, more to come. Boston seems to be getting the worst of it.
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Melvyn, Matt - yes, I was a bit mystified and initially thought it could be slug or caterpillar damage but there is no trace of slug or snail trails on the pots and no caterpillar frass either. I've also not come across caterpillar damage quite so extensive - they don't usually help themselves to all the leaves! It's also happened to a number of pots and the common denominator is that they were all on the greenhouse floor rather than the bench (run out of room!). I'll check again tonight and also remove the top dressing just to make sure but in the end all I could conclude was that it's bl**y mice!
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Cyclamen coum Yayladagi
Pretty much on schedule here.
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Nice plant Arnold!
Cyclamen coum is flowering on the Balearic Islands also- those are second generation of a seedgrown plant. Original seed also was collected in 1996 near Yayladagi in southern Turkey. So far it is the only C. coum which was able to survive here - all other C.coum failed.
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Thank you Hans.
Is this Cyclamen distinguished by the location or some other morphological trait.
It was received years ago from a kind gentleman with your surname.
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I know him! ;-)
I think it is a normal C.coum ssp. coum - I like it because of the nice colour and especially because it is the first C. coum I was able to establish. Started with three seedlings, lost all three during a hot summer, a single seedling appeared at a place where i never would plant a Cyclamen. All the other are seedlings of this one.
Other even southern originated plants as for example 'Golan Heights' did not survive summers.
Maybe there is a certain adaptation in hot and dry conditions in lower altitudes in this type. Is it hardy for you, Arnold?
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Han A.
It lives in my cool greenhouse along with SA bulbs and some miniature narcissus. It would never survive out side now at 18F.
C. hederafolium does survive and has spread under a medlar tree.
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A very warm welcome to you, Johan - Kris is correct - I am more than delight to meet another VRV friend in these pages!
So many fine plants being shown now that I feel that the winter cannot be too long this year - I hope that is how it works out, anyway!
Thanks for the warm welcome Maggi.
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Cyclamen coum coping rather better with winter weather than the terracotta trough...
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Steve
Thought that only happened here. Hope that wasn't a Whichford! :o
johnw
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Steve
Thought that only happened here. Hope that wasn't a Whichford! :o
johnw
John - if it was I'd be asking for my money back! No, just one of the cheaper imports, probably Italian, which are OK for a while but don't cope at all well with the weather in the north of the UK. I'm fortunate in that this company http://www.yorkshireflowerpots.co.uk/ (http://www.yorkshireflowerpots.co.uk/) is just down the road from me and their pots are excellent. Used by places like Kew and Wisley and not cheap :o . However, they have a 'seconds' shop which is open at weekends throughout the summer and you can pick up some real bargains. So that's where I head when I want a classy, durable flowerpot. No use to you in Canada, of course, but I can recommend calling in if anyone finds themselves driving on the A635 between Denby Dale and Barnsley! This place is just opposite http://www.cannon-hall.co.uk/ (http://www.cannon-hall.co.uk/) and worth a visit also. :)
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And if you are in Northumberland, visit http://www.erringtonreay.co.uk/. (http://www.erringtonreay.co.uk/.) Best pots ever, and bargains at the pottery gate.
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I use terracotta pots from wilkinsons and I have to say I have never had any damaged by winters weather in all the years I have used them.
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First flowering of a pot of ex CSE C. alpinum young plants.
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Sorting out some plants for the Cyclamen Society winter show at Wisley tomorrow. Now the tricky bit, packing them in the boot of the car without top dressing going everywhere...
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It must have been a tiring process for them, Steve - I see they're all having a seat....... ;) ;D ;D
Beautiful selection you have there - travel safely!
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It must have been a tiring process for them, Steve - I see they're all having a seat....... ;) ;D ;D
Beautiful selection you have there - travel safely!
Well, I know from bitter experience that if I leave any pots on the patio while transferring them from the greenhouse prior to packing them up in trays for the journey, the dog takes a keen interest and has been known to cock his leg! :D
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Cyclamen alpinum with white flowers
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lovely Johan, I've found I have one raised from Cyclamen Society Expedition seed which was unexpected.
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Young C. elegans (Cyclamen Society seed). I'm not so sure, actually...just a standard C. coum?
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Looks like C. coum, Steve. I've attached two photos of C. elegans with wild provenance for comparison.
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Steve, I agree it looks like coum - do you have a shot of the nose of the flower?
The leaves also look to rounded.
I've had C.elegans come up as C.coum from Cyclamen Society seed before - I still order it in the hope of hitting the jack pot although it's probably easier to get commercial seed that is true.
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Tim, Mark - thanks for confirming my suspicions! Seed exchanges are great but it can be a bit of a lottery...
I do have a couple of pots of C. elegans seedlings of known provenance (one is the 'Reiko' form) direct from a CS member so I'm hopeful of those. The law of Sod decreed that my one mature elegans with an excellent leaf bit the dust a few years ago. ::)
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A couple more in flower at the moment. C. alpinum and a C. coum 'Maurice Dryden' seedling with a faint pink rather than white flower. The latter is sold commercially as 'Blush' but I think I'll stick with C. coum (decent leaf). :) ;)
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And a foliage photo - pan of young purpurascens from a plant with a good leaf. Germinated June 2013.
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very nice Steve - question for you - you grow your cyclamen unplunged? Do you stand them on capillary matting? Do you water from below by dunking or by matting? Looks like you use clay pots?
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very nice Steve - question for you - you grow your cyclamen unplunged? Do you stand them on capillary matting? Do you water from below by dunking or by matting? Looks like you use clay pots?
Hi Mark. Yes, they're all unplunged at the moment but if I ever get round to buying a decent alpine house...
I have both capillary matting and some large, sand-filled gravel trays. The former is mainly for pots of seedlings and the latter for graecum and rohlfsianum. But I also have pots just standing on the aluminium staging. Ideally, I should water from below by dunking and when I have the time that's what I do, particularly when bringing the plants back into growth after summer dormancy. Often though both clay and plastic pots are watered carefully around the edges trying to avoid soaking the centre of the tuber. (I still lose plants every year through overwatering though!). I do use terracotta pots for plants I want to show and for my largest graecums. The rest are in plastic pots.
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thanks Steve. I'm starting to move to the idea of watering from the bottom for things like pseudo-ibericum, mirabile, purpuascens and alpinum - they seem to be the ones I get most sudden wilt syndrome on.
I'm reminded of an old alpine grower joke (actually I only know one other)..but it goes like this "I can't get on with watering from below..every time I turn the pot over and start watering through the hole the plant falls out onto the floor".
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Hi Mark. Yes, they're all unplunged at the moment but if I ever get round to buying a decent alpine house...
This is the closest I get to a plunge bed at the moment - a couple of window-box plastic troughs filled with sand!
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This is the closest I get to a plunge bed at the moment - a couple of window-box plastic troughs filled with sand!
They're perched on the edge of a central raised bed that I use for tomatoes which are planted in the sunken black plastic flower buckets. In the winter these buckets normally have chicory plants growing in them but this year plant pot proliferation has overwhelmed this space. ::) The problem is it'll soon be time to start the tomatoes again...
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Ants have been working very hard over the years... ;D
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Ants have been working very hard over the years... ;D
That's our problem - we have no ants ( no idea why) and the BD clearly does not work as hard as the ants would..... :-X
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That's our problem - we have no ants ( no idea why) and the BD clearly does not work as hard as the ants would..... :-X
;D ;D ;D
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A bunch of Cyclamen alpinum f. leucanthum seedlings :)
I have to transplant them into indvidual pots this summer.
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A bunch of Cyclamen alpinum f. leucanthum seedlings :)
I have to transplant them into indvidual pots this summer.
Lovely, Tatsuo, and not much roguing out to do. :) How old are the seedlings?
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Cyclamen parviflorum
Cyclamen alpinum
Cyclamen pseudibericum ssp roseum
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Superbly grown Tony.
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Having been released today from exercising my skills (or lack of them!) as a bathroom tiler I was allowed to be in the garden today (first time for a week-I'm a very slow tiler) here's a selection of those in flower now.
Cyclamen libanoticum, from seed sown October 2009 (SRGC 08/9-1057)
C. coum ex Nymans Group from my friend Mike Quest
and from the garden a nice patch of C. coum
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some more:-
Cyclamen pseudibericum from seed sown October 2009 (SRGC 08/9-1065)
Cyclamen alpinum a darker form than I've posted before. Shows the lack of light in my greenhouse when compared with Tony Willis's plant earlier in the week
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David that's an unusual looking C. libanoticum. The flower looks like a cross with C.cyprium - the leaves look more like pseudo-ibericum.
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Mmm, thanks for that Mark. Let's see if any of the others comment on that one, as I said it was from seed.
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David that's an unusual looking C. libanoticum. The flower looks like a cross with C.cyprium - the leaves look more like pseudo-ibericum.
Yes, I was thinking C. cyprium. David - do the flowers have a sweetish scent or is it more peppery/spicier/musty?
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It's not cyprium but it might be Cyclamen x wellensiek which is cyprium x libanoticum. I've found it really hard to find an imgage - this may or may not be it
http://mirabile.blog101.fc2.com/blog-category-23.html (http://mirabile.blog101.fc2.com/blog-category-23.html)
does look very similar and curiously to me the leaves look like pseudo-ibericum on this one too.
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... Let's see if any of the others comment on that one, as I said it was from seed.
Happens to us all, David. Here's an example. I wouldn't mind but it was from my own seed! ;D
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David and Steve , both your C. libanoticum look very much like my C. x wellensiekii , the cross between libanoticum and cyprium .
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Well. Thanks to Mark for originally starting this and to Steve and Otto for your contributions.
I went into the greenhouse yesterday to check if my Cyclamen NOTlibanoticum had a scent and couldn't discern one at all. The other member of the household usually excels in the olfactorial department (at least she does when I have a crafty fag behind the garage!) but she couldn't get a scent at all. I tested her on a C. pseudibericum which I couldn't smell at all but she found a hint of a scent.
I've read the description (and looked at the photograph) of C x wellensiekii in Grey-Wilson and it does look very similar to my plant in all respects but he describes the scent as a mild form of C libanoticum ("but the hybrid has not inherited the sweeter perfume of C pseudibericum")
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Well. Thanks to Mark for originally starting this and to Steve and Otto for your contributions.
I went into the greenhouse yesterday to check if my Cyclamen NOTlibanoticum had a scent and couldn't discern one at all. The other member of the household usually excels in the olfactorial department (at least she does when I have a crafty fag behind the garage!) but she couldn't get a scent at all. I tested her on a C. pseudibericum which I couldn't smell at all but she found a hint of a scent.
I've read the description (and looked at the photograph) of C x wellensiekii in Grey-Wilson and it does look very similar to my plant in all respects but he describes the scent as a mild form of C libanoticum ("but the hybrid has not inherited the sweeter perfume of C pseudibericum")
Looks like x wellensiekii to me too I posted a picture recently here
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11254.msg291037#msg291037 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11254.msg291037#msg291037)
you can see cyprium in the leaves and libanoticum in the flowers
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I've read the description (and looked at the photograph) of C x wellensiekii in Grey-Wilson and it does look very similar to my plant in all respects but he describes the scent as a mild form of C libanoticum ("but the hybrid has not inherited the sweeter perfume of C pseudibericum")
It's been a confusing sort of day! The description I read, and quoted above from Grey-Wilson, actually related to Cyclamen x schwarzii, I got confused because the picture of x wellensiekii happens to be on the preceding page to his description. I should have read the page properly before spouting, sorry.
Right, I'm now in the G-W description of x wellensiekii. He says "Flowers borne with the young or mature leaves (late September to December)" and here we are in late February. He also says "sweetly scented" mine have no scent at all.
Thanks Ian, for your input. I have no doubt that my plant is not C. libanoticum but I'm still confused about it being x wellensiekii for the reasons stated in my penultimate paragraph above.
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David don't be too confused seasons can differ mine started in December and is still in flower now. After all this is a hybrid between an autumn and a spring flowering plant and is not a clonal strain all being raised from seed.
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Thanks Ian, labels amended.
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I think Chris is probably wrong. Bear in mind C.cyprium is usually quoted in books as being autumn flowered but I've had it overlapping with libanoticum and pseudo-ibericum because the flowers last for a really long time.
The hybrid is much rarer than libanoticum and I've found it harder to germinate than either parent so it's time to celebrate. I have some seedlings at last but it took years to get them!
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I'm quite chuffed with it really Mark. My records show that I have another seedling from the same batch of seed, it will be interesting to see how that turns out.
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The first Cyclamen graecum is in bloom in our rock garden,
cheers
fermi
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Very nice Fermi, one of these days I might get a flower on mine!
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Nice one Fermi. Where did you get this plant? It looks much like those I saw at Rhodopou in Crete.
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Hi Matt,
I'm pretty sure this is one of the seedlings I raised from NARGS Seedex 2005 donated by Ellen Horning from New York. That's all the provenance I have for them unfortunately.
cheers
fermi
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I found just a very few seeds in Crete of the form similar to yours, Fermi and pictured here. No sign of germination yet, but here's hoping.
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....It looks much like those I saw at Rhodopou in Crete.
This will be Cyclamen graecum ssp graecum. I believe that the graecum growing on the Rhodopou peninsula show a wide variation in leaf and flower, although the form sold commercially as 'Rhodopou' has pewter/silver leaves (similar to 'Glyfada').
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Yes, it keyed out as graecum graecum Steve. All the plants we saw in this population were quite similar in terms of flower form, with just a very slight variation in intensity of colour. However, we only found a couple of plants in leaf.
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I have half a dozen raised from one seed por I found on the Rhodopou peninsular. They do not have very interesting leaves but do have strong uproght flower stems which make them attractive plants.
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Cyclamen coum is flowering for more than 10 weeks now in my garden.
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Some great pictures here from Jo Hynes' National Collection of Cyclamen :
https://plus.google.com/photos/116866201005739778197/albums/5299316557353369121?banner=pwa
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Anyone have success with Cyclamen alpinum in the garden please? I had two planted out that flowered last year but are conspicuous by their absence this year.
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My only success has been on my crevice bed, although I haven't tried many other places.
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Anyone have success with Cyclamen alpinum in the garden please? I had two planted out that flowered last year but are conspicuous by their absence this year.
I'm sure if you can find the right conditions (some shade and excellent drainage) alpinum will cope with outdoor planting but I don't have any outside up here. They are hardy but it is much easier to control the watering under cover. I suspect your plants rotted off, David.
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At last! After a number of sowings of C. persicum 'Tilebarn Karpathos' from the seed exchanges and only getting white or pinkish flowers in the past, I've finally raised a seedling with the correct flower colour (the same colour as rhodium ssp vividum). :)
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today in the bottom alpine house
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these were just recovered from the plunge in this house and potted on in the autumn
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just a few more
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This is in another building - I spilt some seed - these are growing in just 10mm limestone chippings - the limestone infill in the beds is full of seedlings everywhere
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You've got some great looking plants Graeme. You alpine house is to die for.
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You've got some great looking plants Graeme. You alpine house is to die for.
I better not post any long shots........... I just don't get any time in there to sort it out
I need to get the hepatica seedlings out of one end - the plants have been there that long they are very firmly rooted in
First time I have been in there for two weeks
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Yeah I know what you mean, I have plenty of jobs to do in my greenhouse, but the weather has been that rubbish.
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these are some of the other cyclamen in one of the other buildings - all of these were individual plants and I have to admit they are now on their 3 or 4th generation of seedlings
this building is due for a refit this summer and I have got black crates this time - the blue ones rot over time
so it will be fix the plunge bed on the other side - re-pot and move all the plants from one side - then recover all the other plants in the plunge
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Cyclamen coum Yayladgi.
Long flowering
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Loverly Coum you have there Arnold.
Hi Graeme you really like cyclamen don't you, judging by the amount you have, I like your greenhouse, did you build it yourself?
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A couple from me. The first is a seedling from a plant of Cyclamen persicum var autumnale that came from Peter Moore. The parent isn't such a deep colour and other seedlings are pale with a pink nose.
The second is of a pot of Cyclamen coum albumissum from Cyclamen Society seed, there is normal coum and pallens in there too. Hopefully I managed to get some seedlings from the right seed pods so I can get another generation of the white.
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A couple from me. The first is a seedling from a plant of Cyclamen persicum var autumnale that came from Peter Moore. The parent isn't such a deep colour and other seedlings are pale with a pink nose.
It looks like it has a good leaf, too, Mark.
Here's some shots of the benches in the Cyclamen house at Ashwood Nurseries on Sunday.
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More from Ashwood
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Fantastic shots!
What an absolutely mind-boggling place Ashwoods is - cyclamen, hepaticas, helleborus, lewisias .... the list goes on and on and they excel in everything. The marvelous John Massey and his faithful Team are a force to be recognised and no mistake. 8)
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Have you been Maggi?
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Never, John - but I've enjoyed talks by John Massey ( one of the very best speakers) and seen lots of photos. I've got a Helleborus which Diane C. got for me, I've grown Lewisias from Ashwoods Carousel series and after I complained that Ian Y. had been there AGAIN and brought me nothing ( his excuse is he couldn't carry anything on the plane) and asked Ian the Christie kind if he might be able to get me some (when he was there last week with Cyril ) I got a surprise visit yesterday from Ian and Ann C. - who appeared on the doorstep with a gift of Hepaticas from John Massey - Christmas came late to Craigton Road, but it came with a big bang!
I am a very lucky old bag!
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A good visit last Thursday with Devon National Collection Holders to Jo Hynes' Cherubeer Gardens :)
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Cyclamen coum 'Meaden's Crimson'
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Cyclamen coum 'Ashwood Snowflake'
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The rest is here : https://www.flickr.com/photos/jellyfishy/sets/72157651036803016/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jellyfishy/sets/72157651036803016/)
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Fantastic Cyclamen from Ashwood and Cherubeer
Cyclamen elegans
A perfect dome of Cyclamen persicum foliage - I was once told that you should be able to balance a perfectly grown persicum hybrid on its foliage but I wouldn't dare try it
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Your not old maggi, your as young as you feel :D, next time Ian goes down that neck of the woods you want to make sure he take you, the hepaticas from there are great little plants. I have two when I went the other month. Great plants Sophia and Roma.
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Too kind, John - I'm old enough to be your Mother :o :o :o so I think I must be old!
The Hepaticas I've been given by John M. are beauts- full of buds- those folk really know how to grow 'em!
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Got round to resizing more Cyclamen pictures
Cyclamen creticum still in its seed pot in the house. This was from my own seed from a plant I grew from CSE seed. I lost all my C. creticum plants in the 2010-11 winter so I was very pleased to still have this one with the long petals but disappointed I no longer have the pink flowered one.
Cyclamen pseudibericum
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More Cyclamen pseudibericum
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They sure do
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Hi Roma if I get a good seed set on my pink creticum you can have some later on when they ripen.
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Thanks John. It would be nice to get it back again. Let me know if you would like seed of any of my plants.
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Yeah sure it would be great to swap seeds.
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Couple of libanoticums - the first one is the "typical" form in cultivation - the second one with pinker more pointed petals is from Archibald seed - from a collection made by Eliot Hodgkin.
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Cyclamen coum surrounding prunus serrula, gradually seeding to take over more lawn.
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Nice ones there Mark.
Lots of space to go there Margaret, here's one taken at Killerton House here in Devon in February last year. We haven't managed to visit yet this year.
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Great photos David + Margaret :o
Here a shot from my plants at their best.
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Cyclamen coum has flowered very well here too this winter. I've found a nice spot for it, sheltered under the copper beech tree.
I'm not sure about the cyclamen in the second photo. It just doesn't have the same growth habit as the rest of C. coum. The flowers all grow out from a central point and if I remember correctly, this plant starts flowering several weeks ahead of the others. Any suggestions?
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Carolyn, I think you're second photo shows C.pseudibericum. I'm sure one of the Cycla-nuts here will confirm/correct this.
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I'm sure one of the Cycla-nuts here will confirm/correct this.
Cyclamentalists, surely? :D Yes, looks like pseudibericum.
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Sounds a bit like psychomentalists.
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I believe the correct term is "cyclomaniacs".
Yes it does look like pseudo-ibericum but some coum varients look similar, e.g Tilebarn Graham
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I believe the correct term is "cyclomaniacs".
Possibly, although that may also refer to Mamils (middle-aged man in lycra). ;D
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I believe the correct term is "cyclomaniacs".
Yes it does look like pseudo-ibericum but some coum varients look similar, e.g Tilebarn Graham
On reflection, I don't think it's a coum variant, because I sowed seeds of this and of coum in September. When they germinated, they were moved to spend the winter in the unheated greenhouse. The coum seedlings have survived, but the other ones have not. I guess they needed a little more warmth in the early stages.
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One I have with a wrong name.
Does anyone have an idea?
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One I have with a wrong name.
Does anyone have an idea?
Cyclamen persicum.
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My C.repandum grown from seed (Jan) starts to flower again. Last years seeds show now their first leaf.
There are two varieties silver-leaf white flowers and normal ones with pink flowers.
I have some from Italy now for several years in the garden , but they start to flower in April or even May. They have a darker flower colour. There is still no sign of leafs yet.
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Hello! It's been a while......
Here's my cyclamen coum "Porcelain" this year......though I took some seeds last year, it is growing strongly.
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Today I discovered a self-sown C. coum with almost 100% double flowers. Not a great beauty. ???
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Cyclamen coum Yayladgi.
Long flowering
I noticed the serrations on the edge of the flower. Is this diagnostic for a Cyclamen coum?
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Here's the image again
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More Cyclamen pseudibericum pictures
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Cyclamen pseudibericum roseum
Cyclamen libanoticum
Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum - who needs flowers with leaves like this
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Now, Roma, you can tell me - no-one is listening - you REALLY like cyclamen, don't you? ::) 8)
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Arnold - Going through pix I see the local coum here shows this feature somewhat as does my kuznetzovii.
john
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John,
thanks I see it on yours as well.
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Cyclamen graecum seedlings from Rodopou flowering for the first time.
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I had so many C. hederifolium seedlings I took to throwing them into a neighbours garden which had a small empty "wild" place.
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Guerrilla gardening - I love it 8) ;D
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I did that sort of thing all over Dunblane. 8)
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I did that sort of thing all over Dunblane. 8)
But someone releasing a butterfly is berated ...... I'm confused.
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Hello Maggi, the foriegn butterflies were released into the wild. There was no conclusive proof that the local population had become extinct. It was done without the approval of NE who,s site it is. The person involved in this introduction breeds butterflies and decides where to release them. This means that any species that turns up in a habitat after an absence can no longer be regarded as the true species from that area. I hope you can appreciate the difference. If this action continues then all uncommon species will be regarded with superstition. This is why organisations such as RBGE should be in control of the Plantnetwork Target 8 Project, otherwise anyone will be introducing plants into the wild. Many years later, some plant species are regarded with suspicion and were perhaps introductions. We will never know if Alchemilla conjuncta is a result of introduction by George Don from Aberdeen, for instance. I myself have seen fairy foxglove at one site as a vigorous "weed." Then there are the introductions at Inchnadamph. Many aquatic plants such as new zealand pygmyweed and water fern are aggressive weeds in water courses. Mink are another case as well as foreign deer. Beavers will be a pest for hunting, instead of foxes. Perhaps this is the reason for their introduction. What will wolves eat? Deer which they cannot catch, or hikers? I don,t want to sound like a teacher preaching to a class but I think there is a difference, best wishes, ian.
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Thank you , Ian - I think it is worthwhile pointing out these things otherwise there might be folks wondering what the differences are.....
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Hello Maggi, I wasn,t sure whether you were pulling my leg or asking the question to clear things on the behalf of members who were not sure what I was talking about. I know through personal experience of the springwatch message board that it is easy to mis-understand what someone means in an email. On the springwatch board this often led to heated arguments and name-calling. I think this is why the BBC pulled the message board. Thank goodness the scottish rock members dis-agree in a civilised manner, if at all.
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But someone releasing a butterfly is berated ...... I'm confused.
Straight forward really. Release a butterfly into a known habitat from another population and the race is compromised and may introduce genes that prevent the population from surviving. You would never introduce English speckled woods to Morayshire. They look different and have evolved in their own environment. Large heath butterflies, to which you were referring, have several very distinct populations. That in Perthshire northwards has virtually no spotting on its wings. Central Scotland southwards has moderate spotting, and the most southerly races just north of the midlands are very heavily spotted. Moving them about destroys subspecies integrity. Cyclamen is not native to Dunblane, and I do hope people travelling up and down the Hydro drive enjoy them, and the snowdrops I planted. They won't hybridise with any local populations and destroy their integrity.
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Difficult, but I tend to do some guerrillagardening too. Not in the wild but in the city or village. Untended places where these plants would like to be and no relatives or rare plants live.
Here are some I like to introduce soon in my own garden. If they like it I know a nice place to set some free. But I ask the owner before.
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum flowering in the garden now
cheers
fermi
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Hello boys & girls!
I went down to CS late spring show @ Wisley yesterday and it was very quite - in fact, I'd never seen such a quite CS show before.
For those who couldn't attend the show, here are some pictures I took.
1. The venue
2. purpurascens (front & back) and mirabile (centre)
3. hederifolium ssp. crassifolium ex CSE 93073
4. purpurascens silver-leaf form
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Part II
1. Various leaf patterns of hederifolium Lysander
2. The list of the sources
3. Plants sale
4. My purchase - two coum "Meadens Crimsons" (3.50 quid each) for my raised bed and coum "Alice D" (4 quid) from Green Ice Nursery. Moreover tiny "Lake Effect" coum (1.50 quid) from CS sale stand
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From left to right. Cyclamen hederifolium, seed from Zakynthos 2011; C. graecum from Rodopou 2012; C. hederifolium, seed labelled Cyprus 2012.
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I went down to CS late spring show @ Wisley yesterday and it was very quite - in fact, I'd never seen such a quite CS show before.
Yes, unfortunately numbers were well down this year. There was a clash of dates and I know some of the regular exhibitors were at the AGS South West show. It was also scheduled a couple of weeks too early for rhodiums and repandum, at least for my plants up here in Yorkshire...
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Cyclamen graecum in the garden today; grown from NARGS Seedex years ago,
cheers
fermi
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Hi steve I though it was early this year, as you pointed out the rhodiums and repandums and there relatives have nearly got going, in my case anyway.
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the later blooming Cyclamen rhodium or repandum with the big floppy leaves.
please help with id?
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the later blooming Cyclamen rhodium or repandum with the big floppy leaves.
please help with id?
Possibly a repandum/rhodium/peloponnesiacum hybrid? The leaves don't look quite right for repandum. The repandum group is quite promiscuous in cultivation.
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This cyclamen with large pale green- silver leaves just started blooming now (early spring) in my basement. i though it was a hederifolium but why is it blooming now? grown from mixed seeds from past seed ex separated out of common seed tray by bulb shape and root form and planted together in this 10" pan with other fall-winter blowing hederifolium.
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I'm very pleased with this self-sown Cyclamen coum which has been flowering for months. Photographed on 8th February and still in flower now.
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Cyclamen elegans from Kurt Vickery, photographed on 16th February (KV93 ex Iran).
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I'd be interested in people's opinions on this one.
I think I got it as C.creticum from Cyclamen Society seed. At some point it looks as if I had doubts and changed the label to "balearicum?" but I'm now thinking with such sharply toothed leaves and pure white flowers it might be creticum. There is a libanoticum mixed in that doesn't help and it's in an awkward position to photograph.
Only thing is it's probably 4-5 inches tall which seems a bit big?
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Hello Mark, it looks like C.creticum to me but as this group so readily hybridise one can never say so with absolute certainty.
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thanks Melvyn, I tended to take the view that the only ones I knew with certainty were the CSE and other wild collections. Unfortunately the CSE ones I had are not doing so well.
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I think this is C.repandum unless anyone can put me right.I lost the label when I dropped it last year.
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Last Cyclamen pseudibericum to flower
Interesting leaves
A Cyclamen purpurascens with purple on the leaves
Cyclamen persicum from Cyclamen Society seed from plant collected in Israel
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Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum and C. repandum
Cyclamen rhodium ssp. vividum
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@ Phillip
I think you have a nice Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum rather than repandum.
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Thanks mark.The other one would be easier for me to spell.
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in a whisper...I copied and pasted it from Roma's reply..
nice plants Roma.
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nice plants Roma.
Thanks Mark.
I've written peloponnesiacum so often I can now do it without checking the spelling ;D
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I'd be interested in opinions. If I didn't know it's origins I'd probably go for Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum var albiflorum as it's a big white flower - but the leaves look more like repandum.
It turned up in the plunge and as I had no albiflorum or repandum album then it's unlikely to be one of those. I'm wondering if it is a cross between C. creticum x repandum (which had some repandum leaves and some almost creticum flowers and Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum.
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I'd be interested in opinions. If I didn't know it's origins I'd probably go for Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum var albiflorum as it's a big white flower - but the leaves look more like repandum.
It turned up in the plunge and as I had no albiflorum or repandum album then it's unlikely to be one of those. I'm wondering if it is a cross between C. creticum x repandum (which had some repandum leaves and some almost creticum flowers and Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum.
Mark - have you discounted any balearicum in its genes? The flower has a look of balearicum about it?
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yes, good point - you can see some lines in the flower. Thinking about it I did have one plant that suddenly turned up that looked a bit like this one but much smaller. I'm hoping for seed - it's a nice vigourous plant and again hopefully I might be able to send some to the Cyclamen society - it will have to go as unknown hybrid which probably means it will go as a freebie to some people.
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My seedlings are progressing. Cyclamen mirabile (two different plants); C. cyprium; C. persicum from Rhodes and C. persicum from Jordan.
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Great leaves on your mirabile Anthony.
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Great leaves on your mirabile Anthony.
I'll see how long they take to fade. One is in shade, the other in full sun.
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Someone told me that the pink colouration is due to minute hairs that eventually drop off. I don't remember who but I don't think I was being wound up ;) In which case, exposure to light might not have an effect but rain might?
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Not sure about that Matt. We had some torrential rain at the weekend, which drenched one but didn't affect the other. They look no different.
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Cyclamen repandum exJCA515
Cyclamen rhodium
Cyclamen pseudibericum
All 1st flowers
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Cyclamen repandum exJCA515
Found this on the JJA Master List .......
368.003 : CYCLAMEN REPANDUM subsp. PELOPONNESIACUM Greece, Lakonia, Oros Taigetos, above Paleopanagia. 1400m. In humus under Platanus, Abies & Pinus. Ex JJA 5157 (From a clone with foliage, speckled all over with white, but this population, from a much higher altitude than that usually recorded for this subspecies, has extremely variable leaf-markings, many like the type-race. Flowers, however, are consistently the pale-pink with red noses to be expected in most Peloponnese C. repandum.)
Might you have missed off the final 7 ?
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East Cheshire Alpine Garden Society- from their Facebook page
"Cyclamen of the month - April - C. rhodium peloponnesiacum
This is ......Steve Walter's ( SJW's) Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum. Like other members of the C. repandum group, it is at it's flowering peak in April."
Very nice.
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East Cheshire Alpine Garden Society- from their Facebook page
"Cyclamen of the month - April - C. rhodium peloponnesiacum
This is ......Steve Walter's ( SJW's) Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum. Like other members of the C. repandum group, it is at it's flowering peak in April."
Very nice.
Hi Maggi - this plant does seem to get better every year (the tricky bit is keeping it alive from year to year, of course!). For those interested in natural variation (or possibly a rogue bee in the greenhouse ;) ) there's a good photo of another rhodense peloponnesiacum from the same sowing about half way down this thread: http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/Midland+AGS+Show+/19898/. (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/Midland+AGS+Show+/19898/.) Both 1st generation offspring from the CSE plant 92060, which was collected in the Parori Gorge in 1992.
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I'll have to check with my seed supplier,Maggi.
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Not a very flattering picture but this coum was planted last summer as it was reputedly hardier than all the coums we have tried to date and failed with. Ice was the killer. However this one and a second sat in 6" of solid ice for 11+ weeks with a good meter of snow atop. Not only did it emerge unscathed but in flower. Defies all reason. Hopefully it will seed about.
johnw - a frigid 7c
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...Hopefully it will seed about.
Is that a seed leaf right in the middle of the photo?
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Could very well be and likely a hitch-hiker from the donor's garden! Good eye their mate.
john
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hello friends,
here are some Cyclamens from my side.
Cyclamen repandum, dark selection
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150501-185137-265.jpg)
Cyclamen repandum vividum
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150501-185137-946.jpg)
Cyclamen persicum ex Ugarit dark seedling
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150501-185439-400.jpg)
Cyclamen persicum, 'Karpathos' seedling (tks to Carol)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150501-185137-926.jpg)
enjoy
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CYCLAMEN WATERING REGIMES
Here's post I made recently in another thread but thought I should try it here.
"I wonder if I've made a mistake? I got this idea in my head that I would take out the grit and hortag, on which my pots stand, from my greenhouse benching and line them with polythene and stand the pots on capillary matting. I even ordered the matting and it came today but now I'm having second thoughts!
The major reason why I thought I might change is that given the number of pots of Primulas I have (over 185) and the time it takes me to look after them something else doesn't get the attention it deserves. This year it has been my ever growing Cyclamen collection. I don't have the time to water them from the bottom and I'm very careful when watering from the top to not over-water. I've not, so far, suffered any losses to tubers rotting but my plants leaves do die back very early. So, I thought, change to clay pots and stand them on capillary matting.
Am I on the right lines or should stick to grit and hortag? Views for and against welcomed."
Also another Cyclamen watering issue. Should I start to water the Spring flowering species at the same time I start to water the Autumn flowerers or leave them until later?
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David, don't know, I'm struggling too.
Previously my plants were plunged in sand, either in clay or plastic pots. Some have the bad habit of either keeling over (too wet) or very poor growth (too dry). C. alpinum is bad in this respect although in my last greenhouse I grew it for years with no issues, lots of flowers and leaves. C. mirabile is similar. I had individual plant out in the garden fine, in greenhouse or frame - then suddenly they got awkward. I have C. persicum that suddenly get grumpy for years.
I'm now trying both C.mirabile and C.alpinum on capillary matting and mainly out in a frame.
As for the C.persicum issues - no idea. It may be they are getting more difficult as they age, I guess they are probably now 25 years old.
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I found this tiny bloom in a pot of seed started last fall of 2014 SRGC seed Ex seed labelled as "Cyclamen intaminatum"
the seed pot is in my basement under lights in a cool environment and quite dry.
is this identified correctly?
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Rimmer, I'm not seeing any picture?
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Rimmer, I'm not seeing any picture?
the iPhone photos ended up sideways so i deleted, cropped and reposted them , now they look upright from here.
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yes, definately intaminatum. Nice one too!
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Thanks, it is typical to flower 8 months from seed and out of season?
what is this cyclamen also blooming now?
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sometimes they flower quickly if they don't go into dormancy.
re the other one - I think if the leaves are think it's one of the C.rhodium complex, possibly a hybrid.
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CYCLAMEN WATERING REGIMES
Here's post I made recently in another thread but thought I should try it here.
"I wonder if I've made a mistake? I got this idea in my head that I would take out the grit and hortag, on which my pots stand, from my greenhouse benching and line them with polythene and stand the pots on capillary matting. I even ordered the matting and it came today but now I'm having second thoughts!
The major reason why I thought I might change is that given the number of pots of Primulas I have (over 185) and the time it takes me to look after them something else doesn't get the attention it deserves. This year it has been my ever growing Cyclamen collection. I don't have the time to water them from the bottom and I'm very careful when watering from the top to not over-water. I've not, so far, suffered any losses to tubers rotting but my plants leaves do die back very early. So, I thought, change to clay pots and stand them on capillary matting.
Am I on the right lines or should stick to grit and hortag? Views for and against welcomed."
Also another Cyclamen watering issue. Should I start to water the Spring flowering species at the same time I start to water the Autumn flowerers or leave them until later?
David - it's a tricky business, isn't it! I'm not sure what the answer is either. I suspect the most forgiving way of growing cyclamen is the traditional clays in a sand plunge. The pots are more insulated against sudden temperature changes and they don't dry out so quickly. Having said that, I don't have a sand plunge although as I get more into alpines I'm starting to think I should give it a go. For what it's worth, most of my cyclamen are in plastic pots, including all seedlings and young plants. Standing the pots on gravel, sand or capillary matting all work well for me. I only put my better, mature plants into terracotta pots and these I put on sand in trays. I'm not sure I'd use capillary matting for terracotta pots personally (if the matting dries out the pots tend to stick to it). One holiday though, I did rig up a capillary matting/water reservoir system and stood my purpurascens in terracotta pots on that and it worked well while I was away. There's no getting away from it though, cyclamen in pots will repay neglect or negligence by dying; quickly by overwatering and slowly through drought! Sunny spring days when the temperature quickly rises can also send them into early dormancy so shading is also important for most species. Unfortunately, they do require fairly regular attention to keep them at their best. ::)
I also find it tricky getting the balance of watering right for the spring flowering species. I tend to give them all a good soak in August and then, by and large, don't water again until I can see growth is underway. So hold back on excessive watering of pots of the later flowering species. The soil needs to be damp but if too wet there's a danger that the fragile leaf and flower stems of the repandum group - which won't appear above ground until the new year - will rot off. I don't think the spring flowerers come to much harm if watering is left until a bit later but the compost shouldn't be bone dry at any time for them.
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Hi there!
I've just noticed that there are some cracks on the corm of pseudibericum :'( .....and my question is; is this normal? The corm is still firm when I push it gently and there's no sign of any rot (at the moment). Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks!
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Why is it sitting on top of the soil?
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Why is it sitting on top of the soil?
Hello Anthony. The corm used to be covered with the grid but I removed in order to show the symptom easier and clearer......My plan is leave it as it is then water below the pot to make the cracks dry, but I don't know if this way is good or bad..... ???
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I see. Could it be an excess of water or nutrients causing it to expand too quickly and split?
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I was thinking the same, it's the sort of thing you get on tomatoes but I wouldn't expect a cyclamen corm to be growing at comparible rates to a tomoato. Some species like C.persicum show some skin splitting and they seem to naturally work themselves proud of the grit. However I've never seen the splits so deep.
I'd try and keep the splits dry and clean. I'd probably not use sulphur which is my go to fungiscide because it's concievable the cracks might close up in the future.
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@Anthony @Mark
Thanks for your reply......I've sprayed Fungus Fighter on the cracks and see what will happen.....I asked some Japanese cyclamen experts about this problem and they also replied the same :)
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Many years ago around 25 I guess, there was a plant in cultivation called cyclamen hederifolum ' Daley Thompson'. It was listed at the time by Roger poulett of Chichester and described as a very vigorous white form with flowers at least 3 times larger than normal. Does anyone still grow it I wonder. In view of the ongoing research by the cyclamen society into hederifolum and crassifolium it would be of great interest. It is possible that it is just a vigorous hederifolum or possibly crassifolium but there is also the slimmest chance it may have originated in crete and turn out to be the elusive white form of confusum now that would be something special. The cyclamen society will be sending leaves for analysis this autumn if we could include this just out of curiosity the result could be very interesting. Can anyone help.
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Repeating cycnich's post wit ha new title to draw attention to it!
Many years ago around 25 I guess, there was a plant in cultivation called cyclamen hederifolum ' Daley Thompson'. It was listed at the time by Roger poulett of Chichester and described as a very vigorous white form with flowers at least 3 times larger than normal. Does anyone still grow it I wonder. In view of the ongoing research by the cyclamen society into hederifolum and crassifolium it would be of great interest. It is possible that it is just a vigorous hederifolum or possibly crassifolium but there is also the slimmest chance it may have originated in crete and turn out to be the elusive white form of confusum now that would be something special. The cyclamen society will be sending leaves for analysis this autumn if we could include this just out of curiosity the result could be very interesting. Can anyone help.
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Does anyone know how to contact the publication secretary or or anyone knowledgable of the publication sales of the Cyclamen society?
I ordered and paid for books in February but it seem my money went into space.
Thank you
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Does anyone know how to contact the publication secretary or or anyone knowledgable of the publication sales of the Cyclamen society?
I ordered and paid for books in February but it seem my money went into space.
Thank you
It's Arthur Nicholls, a regular on the Forum. Contact him at membershipATcyclamen.org (replace AT with the usual @ )
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Many years ago around 25 I guess, there was a plant in cultivation called cyclamen hederifolum ' Daley Thompson'. It was listed at the time by Roger poulett of Chichester and described as a very vigorous white form with flowers at least 3 times larger than normal. Does anyone still grow it I wonder. In view of the ongoing research by the cyclamen society into hederifolum and crassifolium it would be of great interest. It is possible that it is just a vigorous hederifolum or possibly crassifolium but there is also the slimmest chance it may have originated in crete and turn out to be the elusive white form of confusum now that would be something special. The cyclamen society will be sending leaves for analysis this autumn if we could include this just out of curiosity the result could be very interesting. Can anyone help.
Hi Pat - Bob Worsley (Show Sec AGS Bakewell Show) posted a photo of a hederifolium named 'Daley Thompson' on the AGS online show site back in 2012. See http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/competitions/online-show/2012/Cyclamen+hederifolium/968/. (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/competitions/online-show/2012/Cyclamen+hederifolium/968/.) Perhaps Bob could confirm a) if he still has it! and b) its provenance? If if was raised from seed exchange seed then it may not be true to type - the flowers in the photo don't look that much bigger than normal - but worth checking with Bob? The variety was offered in the CS seed lists back in the 90s (listed as a synonym of 'Serenity') so their offspring now would be quite a few generations down the line, and you know that could throw up all sorts of possibilities!
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Thanks for the replies. It is nice to know it is still in cultivation. I have been offered seed and leaf samples which is nice. However the general opinion is that whilst it may be subsp crassifolium it is not confusum oh well just a thought. The reason I asked the question was whilst I have many large flowered crassifolium my two extra large flowered plants are confusum from melvyns seed collected in topalia so I thought it was worth investigating from the original description. I will take up the kind offer of seed just to see if the seedlings are anything like the original description after all these years so thanks again.
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Cyclamen purpurascens seedling with a permanent red flush in shade. Has anyone seen this before?
johnw
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Hello, everyone. I'm a young gardener in Minnesota. I haven't posted on the forum much, but I love reading the posts. Thought I would start posting about my projects.
I was always in love with cyclamens, and enchanted by the idea of growing them outdoors. Over the last 5 years, I've grown a bunch of cyclamens from seed that I bought from Jan Bravenboer. The one I've had most success with is Cyclamen purpurascens. Now I have a decent-sized cyclamen patch, and it's just coming into bloom now. The plants have been growing outside for 1 to 3 years, and they have a big crop of seed that will be ripe in the next month. As you can see, they're thriving, despite our freezing winters with inconsistent snow cover. The leaves are frozen all winter, but if they're given winter shade, they do just fine.
The pictures are in reverse order, newest first. To see more pictures of my cyclamens, you can go to my Flickr account here (http://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=erutuon&tags=cyclamenpurpurascens&sort=date-posted-desc).
Cyclamen bed with flowers
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A bud coming up
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A heavy seed set on one of the plants
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The cyclamen bed in March, after the spring thaw
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That's great success you are having with Cyclamen purpurascens, Gabriel. You'll have no shortage of extra plants with all those fat seedpods. I'm a great fan of this cyclamen too, just love the scent.
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Lovely photographs Gabriel. I hope to see more.
My first Cyclamen graceum are up, seed gifted to me by Fermi.
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Good going, Jamus!
Plant them out when they are 2 years old; they sometimes disappear if planted out too young (good advice I received from Viv Condon!) and they should love your conditions,
cheers
fermi
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Maggi, I'm overjoyed with how much seed I'll be getting. It's a great resource to make use of. I'll grow much of it in trays. The best leaf forms (or most vigorous plants) will be planted out at Gardens of Rice Creek to accompany the rhododendrons under the oak canopy. Other seedlings will be grown in pots and sold at the nursery, and some seed will go to a grower who is interested in trying this species. And I'll see what else I can do to popularize this species in Minnesota. Most people are surprised when they hear I'm growing cyclamens outdoors in our harsh climate, because they've only heard of the florist's cyclamen. Even the experts at the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum haven't planted any cyclamens. It's a shame because they're such a treasure, with beauty year-round.
Here's a picture showing the lovely twisted petals.
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My European cyclamens are still blooming like crazy, and I've been noticing the different flower shapes and colors. Not many people talk about the flower variation within Cyclamen purpurascens, so I thought I'd post pictures illustrating the flower forms. Some of them resemble other cyclamen species.
1. Very long, twisted, and spreading petals, somewhat like Cyclamen repandum
2. Almost pink petals
3. Wider and only slightly twisted petals, deep purple
4. Flowers with a very wide nose and auricles (as in the new edition of Grey-Wilson's Cyclamen book!), somewhat like Cyclamen hederifolium
5. Very short and twisted petals, somewhat like Cyclamen coum
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Thinks these files are too large for me to see the whole picture on the screen. Here is a cyclamen photographed down at Bill Dijk's nursery hear Tauranga. What species?
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A persicum hybrid ?
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I think C. persicum hybrid too Roma.
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Thanks. The leaves are amazing. The flowers almost spoil the effect. ;D
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Anthony , I think it is one of the many dwarf C. persicum cultivars available in the trade lately - NOT a Hybrid .
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Thanks for the correction, Otto. I should know they are cultivars and not hybrids as they are bred from a single species.
Cyclamen purpurascens started flowering as the last Cyclamen repandum faded but not many flowers at a time so no pictures of the pink ones.
Cyclamen purpurascens forma album - not very floriferous. 3 flowers at a time is about as good as it gets
Cyclamen colchicum
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I don't know if I should regard this as the end of this season or the beginning of the next! Cyclamen africanum, that lives on the windowsill of the spare bedroom. Re-potted a couple of weeks ago and given (as I usually do with all my Cyclamen when re-potting) some water.
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First Cyclamen hederifolium of the season - apologies for terrible photograph.
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Musical Cyclamen purpurascens
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Musical Cyclamen purpurascens
So it is! Great photo, Melvyn
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Two Cyclamen in flower today, a dark C.hederifolium and a pale C.colchicum
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Great dark colour, Melvyn !
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Melvyn, I like the interesting jagged coloring on the edge of C. colchicum. Hard to see: is it pigment or veining, or something else? I'm planning to get seed of C. colchicum from the Cyclamen Society this year. If it does well, I'll see if it's hardy in our cold winters. A long shot, perhaps.
Very nice picture of the coiling seed stems.
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My cyclamens (Cyclamen purpurascens) are still blooming. The largest have had 15-20 flowers each at one time. These cyclamens do very well in Minnesota, though they don't really like the summer heat.
The new leaves are coming up, and it's amazing how the new leaves have much more pronounced patterns than the old ones. It's like they're newly washed by the rain and shining like a gem.
The three oldest plants:
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Then the two young ones with promising leaf patterns: silver with a green edge, fully green. The fully green is perhaps a little homely, but it having all the same leaf pattern isn't very interesting. It would look very nice to plant a cyclamen bed with green leaf forms planted among silvery leaf forms. Contrast catches the eye.
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I like the flower form of the large-leaved cyclamen best. Sadly, it has died. I'll post about that later. Fortunately, I have seed from it and a better place to plant the seedlings.
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Cyclamen persicum from Rhodes. Seed kindly sent by Hans Joschko.
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Anthony, very pretty form. If I'm seeing it right, it looks like the leaves are unusual for C. persicum: fairly deeply toothed, and with angles like C. hederifolium.
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Anthony, very pretty form. If I'm seeing it right, it looks like the leaves are unusual for C. persicum: fairly deeply toothed, and with angles like C. hederifolium.
If you scroll to the bottom of this page you can see the Rhodes plant in April Gabriel. http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.195 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.195)
Edit by maggi - direct link to the post :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.msg331092#msg331092 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.msg331092#msg331092)
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Cyclamen hederifolium, seedlings from'Red Sky'
Cyclamen colchicum
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Close up of the leaf of my Cyclamen persicum from Rhodes.
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Cyclamen purpurascens alba in flower !
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;D ;D ;D
Hans
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;D ;D ;D
Hans
Your memory is correct, Hans !! ;D
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very nice Luc!
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I am really disappointed - I purchased two plants from a very reputable nursery last year which are supposed to have white flowers - the leaf shapes and colours were correct but now they have flowered this year they are both pink - grrrr - they were not cheap either
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A little rain and much cooler nights have coaxed autumn cyclamen into flower. Days are still warm (above 26C), but even the colchicums have started blooming.
-- Cyclamen recovered from the late Pat Bender's garden
-- Cyclamen purpurescens, going strong all summer with no sign of slowing down
-- Cyclamen hederifolium with a chimera
-- Cyclamen hederifolium with especially long petals
-- A nice grouping of white Cyclamen hederifolium
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Cyclamen hederifolium blooming now in a rockery in Michigan- these survived last winter under snow at zone 4
These all came from seed ex seed started in May 2013.
is the streaked one a chimera like Claire's or a virus?
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I've had many of my European cyclamens die this year. It was probably due to transplanting, overfertilization, root death, drying, warm and moist soil, and then attack by bacteria. At least the deaths of my beloved plants teaches me what not to do next time. Death happens suddenly: the first sign is slightly wilting leaves and flower petals. By that point, the tuber is already turned to mush, and nothing can be done.
The only thing to do then is pull apart the plant. This gives me a chance to see how it grows. These are the floral trunks that come off the top of the tuber. As you can see, one of them is large and swollen. I suspect this is why Grey-Wilson says that Cyclamen purpurascens has tubers with long shoulders. The shoulders he's talking about are actually floral trunks that have gotten fat and started growing roots, turning into new tubers.
Sadly, these floral trunks were already rotting. Otherwise it would be worth trying to grow them as stem cuttings.
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I wonder if this growth habit is unique to C. purpurascens.
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hi, I'd be tempted to cut off the rot, dip the tip in sulphur and try them in a dryish sandy mix.
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Certainly a sad sight Gabriel. I agree with Mark and I'd also remove seed pods, maybe reduce leafage somewhat or at least keep them out of direct sunlight until they rebound. Some of those with less of a swollen base I'd plant shallowly and horizontally, usually all leaves will die on those ones. Here they don't require much water at all while building themselves back up, that can take a very long time in this climate in the greenhouse.
Are you certain black vine weevil is not the culprit? They do such horrors to Cyclamen persicum at this time of year; the larvae enter the corm from the base, hollow it out and leaves slop behind and sometimes the shell of the corm. I have had these floral trunks root & rebound on occasion. Nematodes for weevil larvae seem to work in August if the ground can be kepot consistently moist.
We rarely if ever fertilize corms in the ground, just a top-dressing of either pine needles, bark mulch, shredded oak or beech leaves.
Good luck.
john
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A few from me.
The first is new, first flowering of C. cilicium Erna Frank. I'm assuming it's a slightly deeper shade as the leaves looked no different. Still, all ciliciums are pretty so I'm pleased to have this.
Over the years I've picked up a number of mystery plants - the second one is I think a robust pale pink intaminatum. The mystery is it turned up in the plunge and at the time I only had the small plain leaved ones and some tiny ones that never set seed. So where did this one come from?
The final one came to me from AGS seed as C. africanum album. No, I'd never heard of that either. But it came I think from Sheila Northway - I knew Michael many years ago and I thought Sheila would be a reliable source. Leaf wise it doesn't look particularly like africanum but having grown a number of plants over the years I do find it very variable.
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Hi Mark ,
nice photo
when do you start to water these plants?
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Rimmer, the C.cilicium and C. intaminatum were out in the frames so they more or less get watered by the rain.
I think the "africanum" had a little water in the greenhouse and it didn't get a proper water until I saw the growth - I then put the pot in a bowl of water.
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John: I've never heard of vine weevils before, or noticed any. I do pay attention to insects. Probably vine weevils either don't exist in Minnesota or they aren't numerous enough to be a problem. The tubers weren't hollowed out; they had white putrid mush inside, which was the remains of the starch of the tuber (like the meat of a potato). I assume if something was eating it, the starch would be gone. It looked like bacteria or fungus damage.
John and Mark: The pictures were taken about a month ago, and by the time the plants showed the symptoms of wilting, they were too far gone to save. The tubers were already turned to mush, and the floral stalks were starting to rot.
I tried to root one of the stalks, but it rotted. It wasn't coated in sulfur; but maybe the infection was already inside the stalk and sulfur wouldn't do anything. I'll try the method you recommend one of these days, perhaps with uninfected stalks. It would be nice to be able to propagate cyclamens vegetatively.
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I had a C. purpurascens tuber collected in 1981 - it rotted but I was able to divide it into several bits - most of which survived - other cyclem grow differently of course but purpurascens often has several rooting and growing points
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Black vine weevils are here in Minnesota (they hitchhiked from Europe), as are other weevils. They damage a variety of plants, but its likely that they have never been documented infesting cyclamen here, as cyclamen are very uncommon in our northern climate. As Gabriel says, though, symptoms of his cyclamen decline don't seem to match the weevil's modus operandi.
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Cyclamen hederifolium, a pot grown darker form.
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My word, those are scrumptious, Melvyn. These darker tones are very pretty and must, if pot-grown and one presumes, grown under glass - be a good unfading colour, too.
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Stunning. I've one or two darker forms in the garden, and they certainly do catch the eye even from a distance.
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Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen colchicum
Dark flowered Cyclamen hederifolium seedlings
First flowers on Cyclamen rohlfsianum
Cyclamen hederifolium in the garden
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fab purpurascens, Roma, I really can't get much out of it here - I used to have some nice plants but that was many years (decades ago). C. colchicum seems easier here.
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Lovely Cyclamen everyone!
Here a dark selection in flower and the white 'Tilebarn greville'
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Lovely C.purpurascens Roma, you are way ahead of me with C.rohlfsianum, nothing above the grit yet here.
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fab purpurascens, Roma, I really can't get much out of it here - I used to have some nice plants but that was many years (decades ago). C. colchicum seems easier here.
Thanks, Mark & Melvyn. That one is particularly good this year. I have about half a dozen this size. Some are flowering well but not so many flowers open at one time. My plants of colchicum are younger - 07 and 09 with the 09 ones growing and flowering better.
Melvyn, I was surprised to see flowers appear on Cyclamen rohlfsianum so early. They have been dry all summer but I start watering when the first flowers appear. The problem then is the leaves grow too big and floppy and spoil the look of the plant. I hope they still look presentable for the SRGC Discussion Weekend ;D
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My first one in the greenhouse, Cyclamen intaminatum
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Very nice, David.
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My first one in the greenhouse, Cyclamen intaminatum
show worthy!
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Thanks both. Probably not Rimmer but I can't get interested in showing in any case, too much hassle!!
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my pot of Cyclamen intaminatum only has about one flower at a time
but it was only started 12 months ago
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very nice David, lovely plant
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Here a dark selection in flower and the white 'Tilebarn greville'
Hi Ruben - C. hederifolium 'Tilebarn Greville' is actually the pink-flowered form. The form with the white flower is 'Tilebarn Shirley'.
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Marcus seed list is out tonight and has some fantastic cyclamen seed in it ;D
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Hello,
As a new on this forum, I would like to show some pictures of our Cyclamen.
Created serveral places in the garden for growing Cyclamen.
Our garden is south-west facing and we created a special place under Thujas, where we grow C. creticum, C. libanoticum and more less hardy species.
Enjoy the pictures.
Nice weekend.
Gert-Jan
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Some more pictures.
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Last ones.
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Hi Gert-Jan, welcome to the forum.
Thanks for sharing your cyclamen images with us, they are obviously very happy in your garden.
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Welcome, Gert-Jan! Your cyclamen path is lovely - and it's good to see your success in finding a safe home for the less hardy species.
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Gert-Jan, maybe I mised it but do you say which ones they are, I can see graecum and colchicum amongst them
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hello friends,
these are some Cyclamens, just flowering in the open garden.
Cyclamen purpurascens
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different cultivar with slightly darker color
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Cyclamen fatrense from Fatra mountains (pot grown)
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1fatrense2015.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
enjoy
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Hello Mark,
In the "Thuja Garden", we grow the next species: C. intaminatum, C. rhodium, C. creticum, C. elegans, C. cilicium, C. balearicum, C. libanoticum, C. mirabile, C. pseudibericum. All planted 10-15 cm deep. Lot of pine bark and needles, beech leaf and grit.
They survived the winters of 2011, 2011 and 2012 with -15 to -18 degrees C. But with protection of fleece and buble plastic.
Gert-Jan
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I recently knocked out a neglected pot of Cyclamen cyprium and repotted the larger corms in individual pots. The smaller corms were potted together.
This is the first flower to appear.
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Hi Chris,
This plant has been nagging on my mind since I saw it last week. It doesn't look quite right for C.cyprium to me. The flower is a bit too pink and the blotch at the base of the petals should be more of an 'M' shape than a 'V'. Does it have a scent? C.cyprium is strongly fragrant. I wonder if a rogue C.hederifolium seed could have dropped into your pot of C.cyprium?
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Thanks for the insight, Matt, and, no, it doesn't have a smell. The pot has been in the vicinity of C. hederifolium in the past so your hypothesis is likely. It will be interesting to see what emerges from the other pots.
Do the two species hybridise?
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I've had C.hederifolium mixed in with C.cyprium seed from the Cyclamen Society - I think we saw another member last year with the same thing.
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There's a hybrid between C.cyprium x libanoticum but not with C. hederifolium as far as I know.
M
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Ok, thanks both.
I'll see what appears over the next 3-4 weeks.
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Hello Chris, I am confident that your plant is Cyclamen hederifolium...with no involvement from C.cyprium!
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Thanks, Melvyn.
It's possibly a wrong label but more likely a rogue.
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some of my C.Coum seem to have come into leaf very early this year - has anyone else found this
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Yes, some of the more shaded ones are showing leaves.
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Yes so have some of mine, in the greenhouse and in the garden.
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Hi Gert-Jan I see your cyclamen are still growing very well, great to see them again.
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The Cyclamen hederifolium are in full bloom now.
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Some Cyclamen from the greenhouse today:-
Cyclamen cilicium, a dark form from my friend Mike Quest (two pictures)
C. hederifolium from seed labelled 'White Cloud' sown in September 2008 (two pictures)
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A couple more:-
Cyclamen cilicium, a light form from a 2008 sowing (2 pictures)
C. mirabile ex forma niveum Tilebarn Jan a 2009 sowing (2 pictures)
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very nice David, and congrats on getting the true white mirabile - seed I've had so far has come up as normal mirabile so I've more or less given up. Funny thing I gave up on trying to get a white alpinum for the same reason - and then got a white one in ex CSE seed.
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Beautiful David, the fresh seeds of the Cyclamen Society sown in 2013 are already in bud here.
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Cyclamen hederifolium in the garden. They are growing in gravel in a hot sunny position on the south side of the house.
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In the greenhouse
Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas'
Another Cyclamen mirabile from the same packet of seed
Cyclamen hederifolium
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Cyclamen colchicum one of my first in flower
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Wonderful plants everyone is showing from around the country. Autumn seems to be slow in coming for the Cyclamen out here. Other bulbs are starting to show through but only an occasional flower from C. purpurascens so far for me. A few more will be starting to flower in a few days.
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hello friends,
just some more Cyclamen pictures.
Cyclamen hederifolium 'WhiteCloud'
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Cyclamen hederifolium alba
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Cyclamen hederifolium white
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Cyclamen hederifolium 'Stargazer white'
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Cyclamen hederifolium, pink form
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1_5heder_pink.jpg) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Cyclamen mirabile TB Anne
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1_6mirabile_TB_Anne.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Cyclamen mirabile TB Jan (white)
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1_1mirabile_alba_Jan.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Cyclamen purpurascens alba
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enjoy
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Here in Belgium, Cyclamen hederifolium is also doing his best.
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Wonderful, simply wonderful!
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The old Cyclamen graecum from the mid-1980's has just started to flower and there will be many more to come.
john
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I was a bit surprised this morning to find this rather toothy self-sown purpurascens seedling in the garden. Makes me wonder if a line of toothed purpurascens exits or could be developed.
john
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That's rather attractive, John. Certainly worth trying to establish a seed strain. Reminds me of Jean's lovely C. mirabile (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12210.msg313237#msg313237) with crimped leaves shown at the Late Bulb last year.
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Good idea. I'll have to remember to build a little screen tent for it next year.
john
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Where's Steve Walters this season??
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He was right here on the 4th, David :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.msg340276#msg340276 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12608.msg340276#msg340276) :)
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Ah, I'd missed that Maggi. I was wondering where Steve was as it can't be long before the Autumn Cyclamen Soc. show and, as I remember Steve usually has some storming hederifoliums.
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One from the greenhouse today, Cyclamen mirabile, a seedling from Mike Quest. Possibly from 'Tilebarn Nicholas'
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The first cyclamen to flower in the greenhouse was Cyclamen cilicium and tonight between 2 heavy rains hederifolium.
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A comparison between two seed grown forms of Cyclamen persicum from Rhodes (left) and Jordan. Is this just different growing conditions?
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Anthony, I think Cyclamen tend to be very individual. I have a couple of plants from Archibald seed from Rhodes - billed as a particularly compact form - one certainly is - very compact with thick silvered leaves - the other is more like a standard persicum. I find size and growth rate very variable for some species too.
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Cyc. cilicicum at ca 1900msm three days ago at Alacabel Gecidi!
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wonderful Cyclamen in these turkish mountains.
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Anthony, I think Cyclamen tend to be very individual. I have a couple of plants from Archibald seed from Rhodes - billed as a particularly compact form - one certainly is - very compact with thick silvered leaves - the other is more like a standard persicum. I find size and growth rate very variable for some species too.
Thanks Mark.
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C. intaminatum is starting to flower now, with more buds to come and a nice pinkish blush to the ageing flowers.
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Where's Steve Walters this season??
Hi David - still here but regrettably with little time to spend online at the moment. It's been a rather fraught summer dealing with elderly parents who can no longer look after themselves properly in their own home (they have varying infirmities). Recently took the decision to move them in with us, at least temporarily. So my time has been spent on hospital/care home visits and fretting over stairlifts rather than sternbergias. It's played havoc with my summer repotting, tidying up and watering duties. I'm not sure who's more stressed - me or my plants! Given the likely SRGC demographic this is probably a scenario familiar to many forumists bringing back memories of loving care...or possibly cold sweats. :-\
Anyway, here's a few cyclamen flowering in the greenhouse today.
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A few more including young purpurascens plants with promising leaves.
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Steve - you have some wonderful plants
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Steve - you have some wonderful plants
Thanks, Graeme.
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Steve, no, it ain't easy, glad you found time to pop in..
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Steve, no, it ain't easy, glad you found time to pop in..
Hear, hear!
Times like this it's a blessing that bulbs, corms and tubers can be so self-sufficient, eh?!??
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very nice Steve, I think we may have had this conversation before but I think you are using plastic pots and capillary matting? I've switched to the same for some species that have a habit of keeling over.
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Amazing plants on display there. 8)
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A couple from the greenhouse today (two pics of each)
Cyclamen cyprium ex 'ES'. From seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis in 2009. These are pretty prolific and I've distributed them to some Forumists.
This C. cilicium was sown from seed in August 2013, nothing special but all cilicium are nice in my view.
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very nice Steve, I think we may have had this conversation before but I think you are using plastic pots and capillary matting? I've switched to the same for some species that have a habit of keeling over.
Hi Mark - I actually use a mixture of capillary matting, sand in gravel trays, and freestanding on the bench. No real order or structure to what goes where, just depends on how much room I have spare, and slotting in pots when spaces come available! However, last year I bought a 4'x2' sand plunge tray which now houses my clay pots of graecum and rohlfsianum. It may be a coincidence but my graecums are flowering really well this season...
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Enjoyed my first visit to a Cyclamen Society Show at Birmingham on Sunday. Maybe a few less plants there than I had imagined there would be, but plenty to aspire to as a relatively new grower.
We have always found the hall at the Birmingham Botanic Garden VERY difficult to take decent photos in (having attended a number of cactus shows in the same hall), but here are a few to give a flavour...
A couple of general views of the benches.
A very eyecatching dark purple C.hederifolium
2 pics of a C.maritimum - very attractive and, I think, awarded best in show.
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Oops! I seem to have made a mistake in adding the photos, I will go back and read the instructions again and see if I can get it right next time.- Sorry.
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Better luck next time, Alison - will be great to see plants form the show.
This section should help : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.0) :)
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there is another show a week on Sunday at Wisley - I am not a RHS member at the moment - can I get into the show with just my Cyclamen Society card?
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Good question, Graeme- I rather think not - a recent event there was free only once entry had been gained to Wisley.
For the Alpine "open Day" tomorrow, - where you can learn more about the Joint Rock Garden Committee, the event is free but entry to the garden must be paid, or via an RHS membership.
https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/plantsmanship/plant-society-events (https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/plantsmanship/plant-society-events)
I think that applies to most events there and I'm not sure that the Cyclamen Society shows there are only open to Cyclamen Society members and not the general public. I hope that's wrongbut I think I remember this being given as a reason not to advertise such events more widely.
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Yes, the impression I get is that the admission fee to the gardens at RHS Wisley must be paid by all. However, the Cyclamen Society show is free and open to all to view (members and public alike). The RHS publicise it on their webpage, albeit in an obscure location (https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/plantsmanship/plant-society-events (https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/plantsmanship/plant-society-events)) and rather cheekily tried to promote it on their FB page as 'their' show!
I think other societies have found this admission charging policy a bit of a bind and are looking at other venues. It's a lot to pay if your tied up in a show all day and don't actually get a chance to view the gardens you've paid to get into? Shame Members can't get in for free considering their shows provide an added level of interest to fee paying members of the public. Guess I'm just too good-spirited when it comes to these things. Hey-ho.
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It says RHS affiliated societies 1 free visit per year?
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Access to the RHS gardens at Wisley for Cyclamen Society members attending a show has already been correctly described, that is Society members who are not RHS members have to pay to access the garden then they, with any other garden visitors, get free access to the Cyclamen Show. The only exception has been for those Cyclamen Society members who are there to set up the show. The subject of the once a year free access for members of the Cyclamen Society has recently been discussed by the Society, a decision has to be made in advance about which show would be considered for free access then the society has to apply to the RHS, I think the free access is limited to up to 50 none RHS members. It is likely that the Society will consider making an application for the show to be held in October 2016, that way details can be given to any members interested via the June journal
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thanks Melvyn - I have let our RHS membership lapse this year as we have not visited Wisley for about 10 years
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Cyclamen hederifolium in the garden
Cyclamen hederifolium in a pot
Cyclamen mirabile 2 pics. They are not flowering well this year
Cyclamen cilicium 'Bowles var.' Most of the literature says it is not known what was different about this form but I read recently (can't remember where ) that it is white with a pink nose so this would fit the description.
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'It says RHS affiliated societies 1 free visit per year?'
I did e-mail the RHS at Wisley for clarification of the item on their website - as there is no list of affiliated societies
I have received a very rude and frankly laughable reply "Under the Data Protection Act and RHS protocol we do not give out information."
So why even mention it on their website and ** it - and then not be able to provide a list of affiliated societies - why is it so secret.............
I certainly won't be renewing my RHS membership - and I won't be going to the Cyclamen Show at Wisley - to be honest the way I feel at the moment I will be pulling out of the Cyclamen Society as well
If I ever meet Susie Corr from the RHS I will remind her that the quality of the e-mail you send out reflects on the organisation you work for
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Nice plants Roma. You are right that Bowles is supposed to be white with a pink nose. It was described as such in the Archibald seed list but as far as I can remember it came up like normal cilicium.
I've just flowered seedlings from the Cyclamen society and again they are normal cilicium. The cilicium Erna Frank similarly is indistinguishable from normal cilicium.
Here are some intaminatum. I released some seedlings into a trough decades ago (the only other occupant is a Daphne arbuscula I grew from a cutting over 40 years ago) and they do look good. I'm trying sed taken from it as I've lost the plants in pots.
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That is really super, Mark.
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.................I have received a very rude and frankly laughable reply "Under the Data Protection Act and RHS protocol we do not give out information."............................
Perhaps the RHS has been tarred with the same brush as the AGS? :P
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Perhaps the RHS has been tarred with the same brush as the AGS? :P
not brushed the AGS recently but I suspect you might be right :(
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If I ever meet Susie Corr from the RHS I will remind her that the quality of the e-mail you send out reflects on the organisation you work for
Hi Graeme,
A lot of us in Australia dropped out of the RHS when they decided not to bother sending seed here due to the quarantine restrictions! Somehow all the other Seedexes cope!
cheers
fermi
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...I certainly won't be renewing my RHS membership - and I won't be going to the Cyclamen Show at Wisley - to be honest the way I feel at the moment I will be pulling out of the Cyclamen Society as well...
I agree with all the previous comments that CS members having to pay a garden entrance fee to visit their own show is really annoying - I've posted on the forum in the past about this. But to be fair to the Cyclamen Society, it's the RHS which introduced this policy (it used to be free to enter for CS members on show day). Compare with the Cyclamen Society AGM and show held at the Birmingham Botanic Gardens last week where there was free entry on production of a CS membership card. In fact I don't think this is even a national RHS policy, it's just for Wisley. Presumably, as the HQ hosts many affiliated society events, the management felt that it was lost income to continue to allow free entry? I know that for this year's AGS North Show at RHS Harlow Carr there's free entry to the Gardens for AGS members on show day.
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I am a regular exhibitor at the cs shows at Wisley as I will be next week. After I have driven into the gardens and unloaded I have to return my car to the main car park by nine o clock I then re enter by the back gate. However should I wish to leave the gardens say for a pub lunch I have to pay to come back in. How ridiculous is that. Personally I hate the place and only go to meet up with fellow members and exhibitors.
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I agree with all the previous comments that CS members having to pay a garden entrance fee to visit their own show is really annoying - I've posted on the forum in the past about this. But to be fair to the Cyclamen Society, it's the RHS which introduced this policy (it used to be free to enter for CS members on show day). Compare with the Cyclamen Society AGM and show held at the Birmingham Botanic Gardens last week where there was free entry on production of a CS membership card. In fact I don't think this is even a national RHS policy, it's just for Wisley. Presumably, as the HQ hosts many affiliated society events, the management felt that it was lost income to continue to allow free entry? I know that for this year's AGS North Show at RHS Harlow Carr there's free entry to the Gardens for AGS members on show day.
I had not seen it discussed before - but to me it seems a bit of a liberty - we used to be RHS members but to be honest for the last 10 years we have paid them and never been anywhere near any of their gardens or shows. Its a good job I know now before travelling 3-4 hours to get there next Sunday.
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I am a regular exhibitor at the cs shows at Wisley as I will be next week. After I have driven into the gardens and unloaded I have to return my car to the main car park by nine o clock I then re enter by the back gate. However should I wish to leave the gardens say for a pub lunch I have to pay to come back in. How ridiculous is that. Personally I hate the place and only go to meet up with fellow members and exhibitors.
thanks Pat - to be honest it would have been the first Cyclamen Society Show I had been able to visit and I was really looking forward to it - if they don't want members who pay their subs there then so be it
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Thats a shame graeme it would have been nice to see you there. The actual show is always good and the plants for sale are really interesting. Unfortunately the society has no control over the rhs and we have to abide by their rules.
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hi, not sure this is the right place to post - if not I'm sure Maggi will move it.
I've just found I've got vine weevil - I have lost most of my C.mirabile Tilebarn Nicholas seedlings and have found the grubs.
I did treat everything with Provado Vine Weevil killer about a month ago - I may have missed some pots.
The makers say it lasts 4-5 months - does that mean you can't treat more regularly?
Just realised there are other products - Bug Clear Ultra Vine weevil is acetamiprid and Provado is thiacloprid so maybe you can alternate between the two?
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Thats a shame graeme it would have been nice to see you there. The actual show is always good and the plants for sale are really interesting. Unfortunately the society has no control over the rhs and we have to abide by their rules.
its a pity as I get so few days off work and I had left that day open for us to go to that show - I will probably just go to Ashwood which is closer - but I won't get the range of plants to buy. I need to consider if I continue with the CS as there seems little point if I cannot go to their show without being a RHS member. It would also appear that this is only an issue at Wisley not other RHS gardens?
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I really hope that the cs show committee and the rhs read your comments because I am sure you are not alone. I believe as you do that if you are a member of a society you should be able to attend the shows for free wherever they are held
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Cyclamen season has just arrived here :) A range of seedlings from a seed pkt labelled as "Cyclamen hederifolium, silver leaf, dark purple flower". They look not so 'dark' but I like the purple blushed one best.
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been here for a while......
I will probably just go to Ashwood which is closer - but I won't get the range of plants to buy.
Catch one of staff there then ask for what available.....they sometime let me in the greenhouse where is normally not open for public in order to find what I want - just ask!
By the way, it's interesting for me to read about CS/RHS subject......I don't drive in the UK so I use public transports to get to Wisley. I am a member both RHS/CS so I don't mind paying at the entrance or not - I normally arrive at Wisley at 8:50, wait for another 10mins to open then go to the venue at around 9:00 but there's always many people already! (How come? ??? ??? ???)
My problem is that all good plants are sold to them who came earlier and I only can buy leftovers...... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Yet I like the show so I'm looking forward to it next weekend.
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The people that are already there when you arrive Naoto are those who help to set up the show. There are always a good number of Society members prepared to get there early to help. Hope you have an enjoyable time on Sunday.
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Wide variation there and some nice plants Tatsuo, if not quite what you hoped for :)
The 'purple' one in your last picture is curious because it (almost?) lacks auricles. Maybe these will become more obvious as the flower develops further.
For now it looks more like C. purpurascens to me, but time (& foliage) will tell. Although here this species has leaves throughout the summer it might behave differently in your climate.
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Looking at the postings here it seems that I am about 4 weeks behind in flowering for my pot grown cyclamens.
The plants outdoors started about 3 weeks ago and apart from a few large plants in pots , all I have are the beginnings of growth. Another problem is that all the labels have vanished and most of my collection has been from seedlings found in other pots containing orchids, lilies etc, so their origin cannot be established.
One thing I have noticed is that I have a large amount of white hederifoliums both outside and coming up in the pots.
Pictures attached show one large soup-plate sized hed. corm in flower and a few plants growing at the foot of my corkscrew hazel tree.
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Thanks for your reply, Melvyn - I'll try not to think about it too much and just enjoy the show! ;)
By the way, two things; Firstly, I've been raising hederifolium "Bowles Apollo" seedings which I bought from CS couple of years ago, now I need second opinions from you experts.....Do you think I may call this "Bowles Apollo (Group)"?" (the first picture)
Secondly - I assume some people who went to the open day at Wisley last week, also saw this hederifolium (the second picture) in the venue - the colour was so dark - almost black! I'd never seen this dark hederifolium before.....I just wanted to share this picture with those who didn't go.
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Wide variation there and some nice plants Tatsuo, if not quite what you hoped for :)
The 'purple' one in your last picture is curious because it (almost?) lacks auricles. Maybe these will become more obvious as the flower develops further.
For now it looks more like C. purpurascens to me, but time (& foliage) will tell. Although here this species has leaves throughout the summer it might behave differently in your climate.
Thank you, Ashley :) I'll keep my eyes on the plants. Cyclamens at your place must be able to grow much more quicker than my place. It seems impossible keeping them in green through the deadly heat summer here. All cyclamens go to dormancy.
Looking at the postings here it seems that I am about 4 weeks behind in flowering for my pot grown cyclamens.
The plants outdoors started about 3 weeks ago and apart from a few large plants in pots , all I have are the beginnings of growth. Another problem is that all the labels have vanished and most of my collection has been from seedlings found in other pots containing orchids, lilies etc, so their origin cannot be established.
One thing I have noticed is that I have a large amount of white hederifoliums both outside and coming up in the pots.
Pictures attached show one large soup-plate sized hed. corm in flower and a few plants growing at the foot of my corkscrew hazel tree.
Nice clumps of hederifolium plants, Tom :) They look comfortable at your garden.
Secondly - I assume some people who went to the open day at Wisley last week, also saw this hederifolium (the second picture) in the venue - the colour was so dark - almost black! I'd never seen this dark hederifolium before.....I just wanted to share this picture with those who didn't go.
Superb colour, Naoto :o :D 8) Thank you for sharing. What was written on the exhibition entry form? Looks similar to a hederifolium picture on Green Ice Nursery seed list (http://home.kpn.nl/j.bravenboer1/pages/seedlist.html) described as "extreme dark purple (impr. 'Rosenteppich')".
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hi, not sure this is the right place to post - if not I'm sure Maggi will move it.
I've just found I've got vine weevil - I have lost most of my C.mirabile Tilebarn Nicholas seedlings and have found the grubs.
I did treat everything with Provado Vine Weevil killer about a month ago - I may have missed some pots.
The makers say it lasts 4-5 months - does that mean you can't treat more regularly?
Just realised there are other products - Bug Clear Ultra Vine weevil is acetamiprid and Provado is thiacloprid so maybe you can alternate between the two?
Reposting this to see if someone has any response to Mark......
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Superb colour, Naoto :o :D 8) Thank you for sharing. What was written on the exhibition entry form? Looks similar to a hederifolium picture on Green Ice Nursery seed list (http://home.kpn.nl/j.bravenboer1/pages/seedlist.html) described as "extreme dark purple (impr. 'Rosenteppich')".
I didn't take a picture of the note but as far as I remember it said "was given as Ruby Glow, but flowered in very dark colour" or something. On the same day, I saw a couple of Ruby Glow and Rosenteppich in both the venue and Wisley's alpine house but I wasn't that impressed with the colours - they all looked just normal pinky hederifoilim to me.
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@Mr.YT
FYI...this is the picture of hederifolium "Ruby Glow" (the right one) I took in the venue on the same day - personally I'd hesitate to call this Ruby Glow..... :(
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.......I assume some people who went to the open day at Wisley last week, also saw this hederifolium (the second picture) in the venue - the colour was so dark - almost black! I'd never seen this dark hederifolium before.....I just wanted to share this picture with those who didn't go.
That is exceptionally dark - and rather beautiful. Thank you for sharing it with us, Naoto
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For special cyclamen you need to go to Cyclamen Autumn Show 11 October in Wisley. Green-Ice-Nursery will be there. I have visit the nursery previous Saturday, they have an impressive collection. http://www.bravenboer.tk/ (http://www.bravenboer.tk/)
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I didn't take a picture of the note but as far as I remember it said "was given as Ruby Glow, but flowered in very dark colour" or something. On the same day, I saw a couple of Ruby Glow and Rosenteppich in both the venue and Wisley's alpine house but I wasn't that impressed with the colours - they all looked just normal pinky hederifoilim to me.
Thank you, Naoto :) It's really a case of a kite breeding a hawk ::)
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hello friends,
Cyclamen cilium alba ist flowering now
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/2cilicium_alba.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
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Hi
There have been some pictures of dark Cyclamen hederifolium recently. The first picture below is a plant that I bought as C. hederifolium 'Red Sky'. Quite good, but not nearly as dark as the plant in the second picture that was bought in a local garden centre several years ago.
Quite a few were on sale in full flower and this was by far the darkest one - a really deep dark crimson. As I remember, they were all forms of C. hederifolium 'Ivy Ice'. The plant in the background is 'Ivy Ice Deep Rose' which was bought at the same time.
Bob
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There is a white Cyclamen hederifolium at either end of the gravel bed in front of the house. The one at the west end is usually first to flower but was last this year. The one at the other end has been flowering a long time. It has lovely silver leaves but seedlings have germinated on top of it and their leaves are not so good. There was also a pink flower. I suppose the only solution is to lift it and remove the small ones but I am reluctant to disturb a happy plant.
Another white in the greenhouse and
Cyclamen hederifolium 'Silver Anne'
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Cyclamen graecum - 9 flowers and a bud :D Rather poor compared to the show plants seen down south but for N.E. Scotland not bad.
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Cyclamen hederifolium 'Silver Anne'
I think , it is "Silver Arrow" ;)
(only mislabelled)
cheers
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Good time being had at the Cyclamen Society show at Wisley
yesterday today - not all engendered by the cyclamen it seems..... see here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13629.msg342788#msg342788 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13629.msg342788#msg342788)
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Good time being had at the Cyclamen Society show at Wisley yesterday - not all engendered by the cyclamen it seems..... see here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13629.msg342788#msg342788 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13629.msg342788#msg342788)
It was today - been to Ashwood instead
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Hi there.....got back from Wisley and had a nice time (also met some members there!)
Here are the pictures I took today. Hope you enjoy!
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Here we go!......(Part II)
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Various cyclamens were on sale today - Green Ice Nursery was present as well as plants from CS members......I purchased C.purpurascens "Green Ice" (5 quid) and Galanthus peshmenii (5 quid)
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Various cyclamens were on sale today - Green Ice Nursery was present as well as plants from CS members......I purchased C.purpurascens "Green Ice" (5 quid) and Galanthus peshmenii (5 quid)
thats the bit I missed - great photos - show plants looked a bit sparce
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show plants looked a bit sparce
Yes.....I think it's because it's on Sunday.
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Yes.....I think it's because it's on Sunday.
Got to have a good look round Ashwood - had a look at the stock house which is amazing - also had a look in the backup sales tunnels and selected two dark hederifolium - so very happy
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hello friends,
this is my "platesize" Cyclamen in 30 cm pot
Cyclamen hederifolium 'White Cloud'
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1_2whitecloud.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
enjoy
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I saw the darkest Cyclamen hederifolium that I have ever seen while staying with Barrie & Morag in Cleveland yesterday ..... but looking through this thread I suspect some of you have seen darker!
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I saw the darkest Cyclamen hederifolium that I have ever seen while staying with Barrie & Morag in Cleveland yesterday ..... but looking through this thread I suspect some of you have seen darker!
Tony,
It looks like it's made of satin!
cheers
fermi
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I saw the darkest Cyclamen hederifolium that I have ever seen while staying with Barrie & Morag in Cleveland yesterday ..... but looking through this thread I suspect some of you have seen darker!
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@Graeme
Nice buy, Graeme......I like the dark pink (the last picture) one. Did you also buy "Stargazer"???
FYI, this is the purpurascens "Green Ice" I bought last week at CS show, Wisley - have just had it repotted.
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@Graeme
Nice buy, Graeme......I like the dark pink (the last picture) one. Did you also buy "Stargazer"???
FYI, this is the purpurascens "Green Ice" I bought last week at CS show, Wisley - have just had it repotted.
nice leaf pattern on that purpurascens - I wish I had been there as I am sure I would have purchased a lot of plants.
Yes it is another 'Stargazer' I was after a pink one but all they had got was white - I couldn't resist the electric orange Lewisia either...........
A lot of the bits I bought were just doubling up on plants I already have - but a lot of mine are not in flower yet
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Certainly no rival to some of the very dark hederifoliums shown lately this is the strongest dark pink here. I'ts a tad darker than in the photo and has a cruious touch of orange in that pink, closer to Graeme's I suppose. That red tip is very strong.
johnw - clear but a cold 8c, we may get the first kiss of frost tonight.
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seedlings in 'curry' pots - we have a take away sometimes at work delivered at dinner time - guess who collects all the pots and lids
Seed was supplied very kindly by a member of this board
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Intaminatum - although it looks like a hederifolium fell in there at some stage
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random coum - these need potting on soon
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Tilebarn Anne - this is now a couple of years old - has good leaf colour
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this one is odd - it was repotted this year and it was defiantly only one corm - the label in it is White Cloud - so I was a bit upset when it was a pink flower - then it sent up the patterned leaf - it seems to have now produced the pale leaf it should have.......
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Cyprium 'Galaxy' - had this a couple of years now
Leaf is excellent
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These are part of last years Coum seedlings that have been either pulled out of the plunge - or out of the gravel in one of the tunnels - or were just in other pots when I was repotting
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just 1 more coum
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Impressive collection, Graeme! :o
Did you make those sandbed by yourself?
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Impressive collection, Graeme! :o
Did you make those sandbed by yourself?
Yes they were real fun to build ::) - they are on 4" solid block stands - I had to build them hanging out of the double doors - once the first was built my neighbour gave me a hand to stand it on its side while I build the second - we then moved the first one over and dropped the other one down - they hold about 1/2 ton of sand in each side
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Cyclamen hederifolium ssp confusum from seed. Seems to be more difficult to flower than straight hederifolium?
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This Garden Centre bought Cyclamen persicum has survived outdoors in a pot for 18 months now, and is flowering again.
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the late flowering cyclamen hederifolium ssp. crassifolium
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A smart one, Ruben - good foliage and flowers are what we're all looking for in our cyclamen.
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Cyclamen cilicium
Cyclamen purpurascens
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I have only recently discovered that Cyclamen hederifolium is now on the prohibited invasive list for BC(British Columbia) in Canada.
http://ibis.geog.ubc.ca/biodiversity/eflora/invasives.html (http://ibis.geog.ubc.ca/biodiversity/eflora/invasives.html)
Something Canadian members will need to be aware of when ordering from the Seed Exchange.
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Cyclamen intaminatum
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Two old Cyclamen rohlfsianum from the Cyclamen Society Seedex of 1987.
johnw
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The first one looks very like mine, John. I think I sent in seed from the parent plants about that time. As far as I know the 2 old plants, collected in Libya in 1952 are still alive and well at the Cruickshank Botanic Garden in Aberdeen. My three plants were grown from seed in 1982 or '83.
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The first one looks very like mine, John. I think I sent in seed from the parent plants about that time. As far as I know the 2 old plants, collected in Libya in 1952 are still alive and well at the Cruickshank Botanic Garden in Aberdeen. My three plants were grown from seed in 1982 or '83.
Well a belated thank-you Roma and for the added tid-bits of information. ! Amazing the connections that come with plants & seeds.
johnw - battening down the hatches here for wind and 50mm of rain. First very light frosts the past two nights, enough to zap the Musas though.
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A few pictures of cyclamen hederifolium ssp crassifolium taken in Lefkada last week.
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a few more.
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last three
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Super photos, Pat - must have been a good trip, eh? Thanks for sharing.
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Super photos, Pat - must have been a good trip, eh? Thanks for sharing.
Just to be in Greece walking amongst cyclamen it doesn't get any better than that for me.
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8) 8) Yes , I suppose that's very much the case!
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very nice Pat, was this a CSE thing?
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very nice Pat, was this a CSE thing?
No just a little break for my wife and I. Not a full on plant thing but a mixture. Nice tavernas, nice walks and some time on the beach even in October.
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There are some gorgeous leaves there Pat. Late October is a good time to see Cyclamen in Greece, you can usually see both flower and leaf then. Did you find any Cyclamen graecum there? Looks like I will have to add Lefkada to the list of Greek Islands I still have to visit!
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There are some gorgeous leaves there Pat. Late October is a good time to see Cyclamen in Greece, you can usually see both flower and leaf then. Did you find any Cyclamen graecum there? Looks like I will have to add Lefkada to the list of Greek Islands I still have to visit!
No Denise no graecum. It doesn't grow on any of the ionian islands or has yet to be found there but there was enough to keep me occupied.
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No Denise no graecum. It doesn't grow on any of the ionian islands
I realise that now Pat.....I'm getting my Ionians mixed up with my Aegeans! I obviously need a holiday!
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I realise that now Pat.....I'm getting my Ionians mixed up with my Aegeans! I obviously need a holiday!
Too many islands and not enough time or money. As fast as I tick one off two more take their place. I should have started younger.
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A couple of africanums from me, neither particularly typical, the first came from Peter Moore, big elegant flowers but they tend to droop a bit, the second was a slightly darker one I picked out at Wisley many years ago.
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cyclamen intaminatum has been blooming for a long time, i posted pictures about 6 months ago and it never quit. seedlings are about 1 year old now
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That's terrific, Rimmer - you'd wonder how they have the strength.
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i think because the pots has a mx of 2 seed ex lots SRGC 2014 #1235 and RHS LG 2014.
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how long does it take for cyclamen rohlfsianum to bloom from seed?
is this big enough?
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Here with a very dry rest, maybe three times that size to flowering.
johnw - +14c
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I was checking some pots in to which I had sown various seeds, I found that in one of them marked C, Purpurecens Album a tiny seedling, success at long last :). I have put it in a shady part of my greenhouse and keeping everything crossed that I can keep it growing.
I was looking over my cyclamen plants yesterday when I noticed this c.purpurascens album has a bud showing, I kept the plant growing all through last winter and spring and summer this year, but it still seems early. I have everything crossed that the flower when it opens is white.
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Some Cyclamen hederifolium leaves and flowers from Corfu.
edit by maggi- last image rotated
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Some Cyclamen hederifolium leaves and flowers from Corfu.
Cool! I like the leaves in the second picture.....
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There seems to be a colour and a place I recognise in the last picture. Would that be correct Melvyn?.
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This single C. cilicium self-sown into my plunge goes from strength to strength each year. I dare not try to lift and pot it for a show, alas, I might kill it.
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C. Purpurascens album with its first flower, pure white ;D
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This graecum has been desperately slow-growing compared to the type. Cyclamen Society seed circa the late 80's. Any suggestions as to the proper subspecies?
johnw
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Cyclamen Society seed circa the late 80's.
Wow! :o late 80's.......Might I ask you how big (diameter) the corm is?
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Wow! :o late 80's.......Might I ask you how big (diameter) the corm is?
The late 80's graecum is 3.5" in diamter and the 1985 one is 6.5" & chunkier. What's more remarkable than the fact I haven't killed the latter in 30 years is that the label is still flexible and clearly readable, they were great labels but a horror to write on with a needle.
john
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Cyclamen cilicium CSE 08123, sown in nov. 2012, very slow to increase.
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nice leaves, Yann!
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Could anyone clarify please if confusum is still a subspecies of hederifolium or a species in it's own right?
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Hi David it's a species now, has been for a couple of years now I think.
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Cheers for that John. One of the reasons why I joined The Cyclamen Society was to learn more but their classification is grossly out of date. Given the importance of the Society as 'the' fount of Cyclamen knowledge I don't understand why this should be?
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Yes I know you mean, the last time I looked at the website it was so out of date. Have you been to any of the shows yet?
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Cheers for that John. One of the reasons why I joined The Cyclamen Society was to learn more but their classification is grossly out of date. Given the importance of the Society as 'the' fount of Cyclamen knowledge I don't understand why this should be?
The update of the website is work in progress. By this time next year you will see a major difference. As with all these things it is done by volunteers who also have lives to lead.
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taken a few weeks ago, Cyclamen confusum and C. hederifolium crassifolium. Both of these were from the CSE hederifolium collection a few years back and then were allocated to the different species and subspecies and then suddenly I had a new species in the collection :)
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took some pictures of Cyclamen cyprium leaves the other day, here are a selection.
the final one is supposed to be E.S form but I don't think it's quite right. I had E.S from Peter Moore and it was more splashed with cream, not much of a symetrical pattern.
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took some pictures of Cyclamen cyprium leaves the other day, here are a selection.
the final one is supposed to be E.S form but I don't think it's quite right. I had E.S from Peter Moore and it was more splashed with cream, not much of a symetrical pattern.
Some lovely things there mark. I particularly like plant 3. Jan bravenboer has selected some lovely plants in the last few years but I think there is still more to come from cyprium.
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The update of the website is work in progress. By this time next year you will see a major difference. As with all these things it is done by volunteers who also have lives to lead.
Many thanks for that Pat and I'm glad work on the website is ongoing. I think I should add that everything that happens within SRGC happens as a result of the labours of volunteers of which I play just a small part so I know what it is like. I did consider offering my help when a quest was made in one of the Cyclamen Society Journals for volunteers to assist with updating the website but formed the view that my knowledge of the genus was woefully small as was my ability to get to grips with the technical aspects of websites and I wouldn't be much good.
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Mark that's a nice selection of leaf's forms, the "quercus" ones are singular.
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very nice Mark - the third one down really took my eye
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thanks everyone. I'm keen on that third one too - that was from Cyclamen Society seed (actually they all are) - it didn't flower this year but I hope next year it will and I can get seed off it.
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Still a few flowers on Cyclamen rohlfsianum which started flowering in September. The leaves are well up now. They get a bit lanky being on a windowsill in the house.The two outer ones have similar leaves but the centre one is a bit different. It's flowers are also a bit deeper in colour.
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Cyclamen intaminatum in a trough ( well large pot).
A late flowering white Cyclamen hederifolium
The third picture - the label says it all -tiny flowers, tiny leaves
Cyclamen cyprium two weeks ago
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Cyclamen
Is there anyone who will help with the name of this Cyclamen
Thorkild. DK
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One flower fully open today on one of my psuedibericum . Crazy weather! .
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Thorkild, looks like hederifolium ssp hederifolium to me
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Thanks for the answer, Mark Griffiths.
Thorkild. DK
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Not much going on here at the moment, but C. hederifolium ex Zakynthos (one of the plants that Roma brought to the DWE sales table in 2014) is looking and smelling good. I was amazed at the size increase of the tuber - it literally burst it's pot last summer. Thanks, Roma!
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can anyone remember the distribution of C.confusum because the leaves on that look like my C.confusum - if they are shiny. The flowers on mine are strongly scented.
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There was some discussion about this plant/collection in the summer of 2014. Will try to search for it.
Seek and ye shall find - it's here, Mark: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11254.msg310473#msg310473 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11254.msg310473#msg310473) and here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11254.msg310555#msg310555 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11254.msg310555#msg310555)
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ok, so crassifolium. Mine are scented but not so much as the confusum.
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Hello,
With temperatures of 11 to 13 degrees in Belgium, it does not feel winter.
C. coum and C. alpinum are ready for it. Leaves have appeared last month. Flower buds are vivisible.
C. elegans is flowering at this moment. (pictures to make)
Please find a picture of C. coum leaves.
Greetings
Gert-Jan
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With temperatures of 11 to 13 degrees in Belgium, it does not feel winter.
Very warm temperatures for December - what might it be in January and February I wonder?
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warm here also.
I have coum and alpinum in bud also. Plus some C.persicum. Having said that about half of the mature C.persicum (about 20 years old) show no signs of growth at all which is a bit worrying. I let most of them seed last summer and I wonder if that's the cause. Not sure if I sowed some of the seed of the standout ones myself ???
another observation, when I was collecting C. persicum seed I found some were really mouldy - so much so I couldn't really send it to an exchange. I sowed some and guess what? Something like 100% germination in a few weeks.
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Not much going on here at the moment, but C. hederifolium ex Zakynthos (one of the plants that Roma brought to the DWE sales table in 2014) is looking and smelling good. I was amazed at the size increase of the tuber - it literally burst it's pot last summer. Thanks, Roma!
Well done, Matt, getting flowers. Apart from the one I had at the Discussion Weekend this year with plenty of flowers and few leaves I have another 4 none of which have flowered this year. They all seem later growers than the one I took to Grantown. I still have 2 to part with but they were not even showing leaves in October. The two which I am keeping have a bit of silver on the leaf. It looks more silvery in the flesh.
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First flower on Cyclamen coum.
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Well done, Matt, getting flowers. Apart from the one I had at the Discussion Weekend this year with plenty of flowers and few leaves I have another 4 none of which have flowered this year. They all seem later growers than the one I took to Grantown. I still have 2 to part with but they were not even showing leaves in October. The two which I am keeping have a bit of silver on the leaf. It looks more silvery in the flesh.
Thanks, Roma. No treatment out of the ordinary, just our non-summer! It did put up a couple of small flowers last year, so maybe it's just a good flowerer. Your's with silver markings is nice.
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Hi gang! This is the first coum to flower in my garden - albissimum Golan Heights cross. Flowering one month earlier than usual.
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very nice Naoto, I've found Golan Heights to be difficult to keep - had it for a short while and then lost it. I do have some seedlings I hope (never know until they flower). Is this hybrid more robust?
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@Mark
Yes, it is hybrid and much more vigorous than Golan Heights yet the flower is very charming......I planted this in my raised bed last winter but no problem so far (in London area)
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identified as Cyclamen greacum candidum
from SRGC seed Ex 2013/14 #1212 seed sown 14 August 2014, blooming now in a 3" pot
nice leaf pattern and very dark flower color.
is this identified correctly?
i wish the SRGC identified the donor. beautiful plant
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I'd say C.coum forma pallidum.
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Thank you Mark, i should have known it was coum with those mouse ears
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I helped salvage cyclamen from a late friend's garden. There seems to be a couple of different species or forms besides the usual C. hederifolium.
The first picture is the mixed box. The second picture shows a form in darker green and spotted leaves. And the third picture shows a bright, glossy green leaf. Are these all C. hederifolium?
Thank you.
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I have one more question. I grew this as Cyclamen creticum from the 2009 AGC-BC seed exchange (Canada). Is this name correct?
Thank you.
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I think they are all C.hederifolium - the shiny leaved ones might be C.confusum..but may be forms of C. heterifolium. Interesting looking.
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Cyclamen maritimum seedlings from seed sown in October.
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Thank you, Mark. I'll send pictures of flowers when they finally bloom.
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some already marked Anthony, look promising :)
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Claire, and take a sniff too. My confusum flowers just look like big hederifolium but are strongly scented..but then so are some other hederifoliums. Frankly I only know my plants are true because they came froma CSE collection from a specific location that was then deemed to be C. confusum.
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Here is what I have as Cyclamen persicum autumnale. This is the earliest it has ever flowered for me
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I find autumnale to be the first usually to flower here also. That said it looks like it's going to be a few weeks yet.
Never got it to flower in the autumn so far. I've got some seedlings that I treated really roughly as in bone dry over the summer but still nothing. I think Oron Peri commented that in addition to being dry they are very hot over the summer. The greenhouse gets hot but probably not quite that hot for any length of time.
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Still a few flowers in the greenhouse
Cyclamen hederifolium
Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen coum - the first two are in the wood at the door of the tractor shed in hard packed clay. They are a bit away from the garden. Don't know how they got there. There is another one even farther into the wood.
The third one is in gravel at the east side of the house.
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A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
All the best for 2016
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Hi gang!
C. coum "Porcelain" is now flowering.....again one month earlier than usual. The second picture is the seedlings of this Porcelain - like mother like daughter, the leaves are just plain green.
Happy new year!