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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on January 01, 2015, 05:04:41 PM
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Here we are again.
SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT starts the picture show of 2015.
The cultivar changes the color of the marks from green to yellow. The yellow is still in progress.
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MOYA`S GREEN came direct from Michael Baron.
If you can get it, take it!!!
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First time flowering here: GREENFINCH
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A great start to the New Year, Hagen!
3 Schönheiten...
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These flowers are helping you celebrate a fine birthday, Hagen! 8) :)
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Two photographed yesterday
Galanthus 'Fieldgate Prelude' and Galanthus 'Mrs Thompson'
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Something very appealing about the neatness of the emerging 'Mrs Thompson' in that pot!
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Something very appealing about the neatness of the emerging 'Mrs Thompson' in that pot!
But I hope the flowers might not be so neat :)
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Mine has always decided to be normal , I bought it because I like the strange ones .....so I guess I got a strange normal mrs Thompson ;D
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Mine has always decided to be normal , I bought it because I like the strange ones .....so I guess I got a strange normal mrs Thompson ;D
Emma
I do have a patch in the garden and one had twin bells :)
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Galanthus 'Mrs McNamara'
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MOYA`S GREEN came direct from Michael Baron.
If you can get it, take it!!!
I take it that is from the glasshouse Hagen? Mine are only about 4 cms up!
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Yes Brian, MOYA'S GREEN is standing in the glasshouse. But a lot of Gem and COLOSSUS, MRS MCNAMARA are flowering outside here.
I do not like these warm weather in January. It only brings problems....
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Not only problems Hagen, but they will not last long either!
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snow, snow, snow here, no Drops... :-\
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It began to snow about this time yesterday here - but it did not last and we have clear ground. The only 'drops are the ones which have been out for a while - the Spring 'drops are keeping calm and the biggest are just 2 or 3 cms out of the round and just waiting. I think they are very wise!
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This is one of the problems we have in our Snowdrop Wood (aka the Damson Wood). Moles. The 'drops still manage to flower though.
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Something very pathetic about wee bulbs strewn on the earth, isn't there? No moles here thank goodness, but mice sometimes leave bulbs stranded like that , which is bad enough.
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Hello galanthophiles,
who is it???
It is not seldom and increases very well in the most of gardens.
It is IVY COTTAGE CORPORAL, really!!!
This season all flowers show very unusual in pattern here.
If you will have the same experience, please tell it to us.
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Some snowdrops taken in the last few days.
Background is not the best for some drops, but it was best available.
Galanthus gracilis
Galanthus 'Greenpeace'
Galanthus 'John Tomlinson'
Galanthus 'Lavinia'
Galanthus 'Magdalin Erskine'
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Some more
Galanthus 'Mrs MacNamara'
Galanthus 'Priscilla Bacon'
Galanthus 'Reverend Hailstone'
Galanthus 'Wandlebury Ring'
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Edulis Nursery's ( Paul Barney) limited Galanthus availability list is now out. Please email or message for list .....
Email: info@edulis.co.uk Phone: 01635 578113 / 07802 812781
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Cornovium - http://www.cornoviumsnowdrops.co.uk/ (http://www.cornoviumsnowdrops.co.uk/) are selling 'drops now, too.
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Galanthus cilicicus has been flowering for over a week but today has been sunny enough for the flowers to open. Reputedly tender, I put a bulb outside close to the house last year and it is coming up. Last winter however, was very mild but I think it will withstand a bit of frost.
G. cilicicus OS (I presume collected by Ole Sonderhausen but no collection number came with it).
C. cilicicus NS (ex Norman Stevens) with different inner markings.
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If you will have the same experience, please tell it to us.
Hi Hagen,
My "Ivy Cottage Corporal" had a similar inner mark three years ago. The first picture was taken in January 2012.
The second and third are of the same plant and are taken in March 2013 and February 2014. So, the last two years the marks were as they should be.
I do not know what caused the marks to be different in 2012. Maybe, the bulbs were still immature then?
S.
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Especially some of my G. elwesii puzzeled me by producing different marks in different years. Indeed, in some years the marks appeared to be incomplete, a feature well demonstrated by Your pics. My assumption was, like Yours, that the bulbs were immature after dividing or being distressed otherwise.
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This is one of the problems we have in our Snowdrop Wood (aka the Damson Wood). Moles.
But that is one of the natural mechanisms by which snowdrop bulbs get spread around over a wider area. So if you are trying to naturalise the snowdrops it's not a problem, it's a benefit.
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I was going to say the very same thing as Alan. In our local woods both double and single snowdrops have naturalised freely - the former are esentially sterile and the latter often just spread vegetatively without much production of seed. A lot of woodland ground flora are clonal in this way - eg: Anemone nemorosa. In our garden some snowdrops (most) remain as tight discrete clumps as they multiply, but a few are a lot looser and spread more widely (eg: 'Armine' and 'Trym' - though the latter produces seed as well). What intrigues me is the great variation found in woodlands in eastern Europe? There must be some crossing going on here just as you find with greater variety in the garden setting. Is this because the natural stands of snowdrops are so extensive that the chance of variation is simply much greater, and does this variation occur over wide areas or is it localised to certain places? A snowdrop such as 'Wendy's Gold' where the bulbs do naturally tend to spread is actually one of the best at increasing in the garden, at least with us. In another garden I know there are huge clumps of G. elwesii which haven't been touched for decades with just a very few outlying seedlings(?) around them, and these are pretty magnificent in their way too.
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I found this elwesii yesterday. As you can see, the inners are all white. In a sunny position, the green lines on the inside of the inners shine through vaguely. I like it, but what do you think? Is it interesting, different, enough to nurture it?
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But that is one of the natural mechanisms by which snowdrop bulbs get spread around over a wider area. So if you are trying to naturalise the snowdrops it's not a problem, it's a benefit.
There must be over 5,000 bulbs in the wood, mostly spread by moles as they appear to be a sterile clone and so do not produce seed. The problem is not one of the moles spreading the bulbs like this, rather that they frequently cover over the flowering ones with soil. That and the danger of breaking ones ankle when looking at the Snowdrops.
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I found this elwesii yesterday. As you can see, the inners are all white. In a sunny position, the green lines on the inside of the inners shine through vaguely. I like it, but what do you think? Is it interesting, different, enough to nurture it?
I like it very much. I would definitely keep it and see what happens next year
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Yes well worth seeing what happens next year.
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I found this elwesii yesterday. As you can see, the inners are all white. In a sunny position, the green lines on the inside of the inners shine through vaguely. I like it, but what do you think? Is it interesting, different, enough to nurture it?
I like it very much. In spite of the degree of success that Hagen has had in seducing me with his Green flowers, I really like the white ones best!
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Great find Sven :), hopefully it will come back the same next year ! If it is, than it is certainly worth growing on and hopefully it will
multiply well.
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I found this elwesii yesterday. As you can see, the inners are all white. In a sunny position, the green lines on the inside of the inners shine through vaguely. I like it, but what do you think? Is it interesting, different, enough to nurture it?
I'm with Maggi in liking the whites .. this one is very elegant. Feel free to invite people in the NE of Scotland to trial it ;)
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G. r.o. Alex Duguid been flowering for a week or so, here photographed at a murky moment.
G. r.o. Vernalis nicely overexposed in the afternoon sun.
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Bedankt Sven, good pictures to show the possibilities of differences of ICC.
Here I had the first two years normal flowers and this, the third year I have unusual patterns.
The bulbs are not younger now, but they are smaller, because last year I got a lot of daughterbulbs.
A white Ge is a special and I do not know an official plant which is named.
So fingers crossed ;)
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You are very welcome, Hagen. So your bulbs "renewed" themselves recently, another hint that maturity of the bulbs is the reason for the difference in the inner marks.
Thank you all very much for your comments on the white elwesii. I will give it some TLC and hopefully next year we know more about its stability.
I'm with Maggi in liking the whites .. this one is very elegant. Feel free to invite people in the NE of Scotland to trial it ;)
Your request comes a little early. There only is one bulb with an offset. But if it proves to be stable and multiplies, I will certainly think of the Scots... ;)
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Nice one Sven,hope it will be stable.
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G. nivalis coming up on this mild day though the temperature is plummeting and the high tomorrow will be circa -9c!
johnw
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Ouch...John...stay warm...afraid we are getting a dose of the same storm here. And Sven, that white elwesii is terrific. I hope it holds and bulks up nicely for you. Exciting to see a new find that is unique, and like Maggi, I really like the white forms. Rick
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Would prefer -9 over this mild damp stuff, back to work and plodding around with boots caked in mud again >:(
Varieties are racing up now, have a nice clump of Peardrop that is almost in flower, others that are generally earlier still behind. Mild winters just seems to confuse a lot of them! still 5 weeks until we open.
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Richard - Would -11c do? Mind you that won't move the mud.
I was sitting with my back to the window some 12ft away from me and the sun on my back was hot. No doubt the greenhouse temp is soaring making ventilation very tricky indeed as we found out last week. A clay 30" windowbox in front of a vent froze solid on one end due to a stuck vent fin, all Lachenalia Quadricolor in that end of the planter froze out completely even though the temp rebounded the next morning.
Earth bare, snowdrops on their own.
johnw
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-11 and no wind I could live with, it's like the sale at Myddleton ;)
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-11 and no wind I could live with, it's like the sale at Myddleton ;)
Richard
Hopefully this will scare off a lot of the buyers :) ;D :)
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Now in my garden -13 degrees Celsius at night is -20. In the alpinhause flowered Galanthus rizehensis and forms Galanthus transcaucasicus. After 2-3 days, take photos.
In my collection there was a commemorative coin of the Republic of Adygea (Russian Federation).
A similar coin is available in ebey
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Republik-Adygea-1-Rubel-2013-/151537100020?pt=Papiergeld&hash=item234850a4f4 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Republik-Adygea-1-Rubel-2013-/151537100020?pt=Papiergeld&hash=item234850a4f4)
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Some snowdrops in the garden today:
Galanthus elwesii 'Paradise Giant' - one with huge flowers
Galanthus 'Rosie' - a very good early double
Galanthus elwesii 'Fieldgate prelude' -
Galanthus 'Mrs Mc Namara'
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Richard
Hopefully this will scare off a lot of the buyers :) ;D :)
I'm not sure anything would do that, even with several feet of snow I'm sure some would be found digging their way in ;D
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Hi Ruben,
What do you mean by ''huge flowers'' ?
Please could you measure the length of the outer petals??
Tim DH
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Attention you USA snowdrop lovers !
It occurs to me that there is sometimes talk in these pages about the lack of galanthus available in the US of A and some of you may be relative newcomers here and not know that Carolyn - yes, that plant-loving person from Pennsylvania - has a snowdrop list so that American 'drop lovers (I'm sure they're too nice to be "fiends" there !!) can source some goodies mail order from Carolyn.
Carolyn has a good eye for companion planting too- and sells a few of those too - see the list (http://carolynsshadegardens.com/2015-snowdrop-catalogue/)and her blogs on her website (http://carolynsshadegardens.com/)
I'll bet she still has a few drops left to cheer some new American collector ..... take a look and see :)
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Hi, I'm a new galanthophile - little bit. I bought some snowdrops last year. They are all in my Berlin garden, I'm not a "pot gardener" ;)
In the moment, G.'three ships' is in flower, I bought three last year, now I have 5 :D
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'Three Ships' is one of those classic snowdrops that we once had but never established - must try it again, especially to get more early forms going in the garden. Most of these are normally a little later, or from a few flowers only just beginning.
The four taller and larger flowers at the rear (from left to right):-
'Reverend Hailstone' (very good early variety given to us by David and Anke Way)
elwesii var. monostictus (ex. Kath Dryden, originally listed as caucasicus 'Late Form'. Excellent plant)
elwesii 'Mrs McNamara' (nice tall and striking early New Year variety that has been pictured a few times)
plicatus 'Colossus' (not so colossal, but normally about the earliest of these)
In the middle-back with a typically yellowish ovary:-
'Sutton Courtenay' (this does stand out when it clumps up well in the garden - a little way to go with us)
In the front (from left to right):-
'Richard Ayres' (super double)
plicatus 'Roger's Rough' (flower still to open - named for Richard Bird's garden and a good compact well flowered plant)
nivalis 'Anglesey Abbey' (green leaves, tending to poculiform, really distinctive form)
elwesii 'Kyre Park' (new to us but a very nice well marked double)
woronowii (quite an early clump of this, well worth growing in more variety)
plicatus 'Gerard Parker' (really superb garden plant which self-seeds and is named after one of the most eminent Galanthophiles of past years)
Several of these came from the Myddelton House event last year, not so hard for those living way down in the south-east to get to; (some very nice strong looking plants like 'Diggory' and 'Wasp' still to look forward to from here last year). No virescent or yellows flowering yet, and not many of these in the garden either!
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And here is the picture :)
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This seems unusually early for 'Anglesey Abbey' to be in flower; any nivalis in fact. 'Reverend Hailstone' also comes originally from the garden at Anglesey Abbey.
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Attention you USA snowdrop lovers !
It occurs to me that there is sometimes talk in these pages about the lack of galanthus available in the US of A and some of you may be relative newcomers here and not know that Carolyn - yes, that plant-loving person from Pennsylvania - has a snowdrop list so that American 'drop lovers (I'm sure they're too nice to be "fiends" there !!) can source some goodies mail order from Carolyn.
Carolyn has a good eye for companion planting too- and sells a few of those too - see the list (http://carolynsshadegardens.com/2015-snowdrop-catalogue/)and her blogs on her website (http://carolynsshadegardens.com/)
I'll bet she still has a few drops left to cheer some new American collector ..... take a look and see :)
Thanks so much for mentioning my snowdrop business, Maggi. I do have a lot of fun snowdrops left in my catalogue but not for long as I am about to send it out by email to my customers. The current post on my blog is titled "Companion Plants for Snowdrops" and can be found here: http://carolynsshadegardens.com/2015/01/05/companion-plants-for-snowdrops/. (http://carolynsshadegardens.com/2015/01/05/companion-plants-for-snowdrops/.)
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Its good to keep the American snowdrop lovers happy, too, Carolyn! Thanks for your notes about the USA "happenings" in the events thread - hope we'll hear more about the Winterthur event later.... 8)
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elwesii 'Kyre Park' (new to us but a very nice well marked double)
Does Your ´Kyre Park´ actually flower as a double? Mine never did nor was expected to do so, so Yours might be a mutant.
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G. elwesii 'Glenchantress' (a seedling of 'Comet') in flower today. Is this early? There are actually 2 flowers on different scapes from the one bulb (second picture).
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No, you are quite right Mariette - not double at all, it just gives the impression of this because it's such a small and broad flower superficially very like the doubles we grow :-[ (thank goodness for these little emotions we can use!)
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Indeed, it´s such a chunky one that it might be taken for a double. With me, it´s just out, but not yet open. Unfortunately, I never detected the violet scent ascribed to it.
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G. elwesii 'Glenchantress' (a seedling of 'Comet') in flower today. Is this early? There are actually 2 flowers on different scapes from the one bulb (second picture).
No Cyril, mine is out too, but it is an early season!
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Some great new appearances this morning, 'Rosie' and 'Deer Slot'.
There are a large number of the other less common types getting ready to flower, much earlier than usual, in line with other posters.
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Thought I better nip out and see what I could take, crumby photos because it is windy (nothing to do with the crumby photographer of course ;D).
A few starting to get going. Firstly the first flowers on the very floriferous 'Miss Willmott', a lovely snowdrop and, although not cheap, well worth the money. Nearby is 'Llo'n Green', nicely marked and beginning to bulk up. Then I went up the garden to look at Glenorma, the photo was rubbish so apologies, but the diminutive 'Hobbgoblin' is nearby - you can tell the size from the 10cm lattice pot rim!
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I am beginning to take over the vegetable patch ;D by the side of the path is the delightful little 'Trym Baby' and 'Sprite'. I love the shape of 'Castle Plum' in bud and just to add to the colour the first eranthis hyemalis - 'Winterzauber'
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The Hobbgoblins are sweet.
I too, like the "lightbulb" shape of Castle Plum and its ilk - a very pleasing form.
Am slightly worried about your attempted takeover of the veggie garden - sounds like this may be a risky move... :P :-\
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Castle Plum has great leaves also
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I am beginning to take over the vegetable patch ;D
All the best gardeners do ;)
Just finishing double digging the veg beds at work, can't do the last one due to some bulbs which have somehow got in, in neat rows....
Hoping no one will notice.
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I have a snowdrop that I photographed in 2002 and 2007. I must have bought it in 2001. I photograph all snowdrops every year whether I have a photo or not from previous years. This snowdrop disappears for years at a time. Out taking photos the other day I spotted it again. In the last 14 years it has remained a single bulb - elwesii 'Deerslot'
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All the best gardeners do ;)
Just finishing double digging the veg beds at work, can't do the last one due to some bulbs which have somehow got in, in neat rows....
Hoping no one will notice.
If someone does spot them - you could try to say they're "an experimental crop" ... that would give them an air of legitimacy ..... then, of course, there is the danger of them being harvested and eaten one day when you're busy elsewhere..... ::) :-X
Dear me, so many difficulties........ ;)
How liberating it is not to have either a fruit or vegetable garden anymore!
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I have a snowdrop that I photographed in 2002 and 2007. I must have bought it in 2001. I photograph all snowdrops every year whether I have a photo or not from previous years. This snowdrop disappears for years at a time. Out taking photos the other day I spotted it again. In the last 14 years it has remained a single bulb - elwesii 'Deerslot'
Any idea why it is so determinedly "single", Mark? You would remember if you had been digging bulbs up to give away, wouldn't you?
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Wish I had enough to give away ;D
I have no idea why this bulb fails to perform every year. It possibly does produce leaves but they just get lost among all the other bulb leaves
My 'Three Ships' tend to disappear also as do my 'Phantomas'. 'Greenfinch' was gone for years and reappeared last year. I see a little nose poking through now but I don't think it will flower
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The first Sandersii of the season for me. One I found by a stream near Old Bewick Northumberland.
John(M)
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If someone does spot them - you could try to say they're "an experimental crop" ... that would give them an air of legitimacy ..... then, of course, there is the danger of them being harvested and eaten one day when you're busy elsewhere..... ::) :-X
Dear me, so many difficulties........ ;)
How liberating it is not to have either a fruit or vegetable garden anymore!
Just imagine the headlines, gardener kills employers with rare bulbs.
I would gladly get rid of the vegetables, and have tried! but the owners wouldn't budge on that one. The other veg beds will be converted to more useful snowdrop related production one day, I haven't told them I've started raising more from seed yet ;D
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Just imagine the headlines, gardener kills employers with rare bulbs.
I would gladly get rid of the vegetables, and have tried! but the owners wouldn't budge on that one. The other veg beds will be converted to more useful snowdrop related production one day, I haven't told them I've started raising more from seed yet ;D
Hmmm, I suppose there IS such a thing as bad publicity !
Just been admiring the Benington 'drops on your Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Benington-Lordship-Snowdrops/328509510599600 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Benington-Lordship-Snowdrops/328509510599600) how nice it is that one can see those without being a member, logged in etc.
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No Cyril, mine is out too, but it is an early season!
You are right Brian, it is an early season, even earlier than last year. It's the first time flowering of G. 'Glenchantress' and did not know it flowered so early.
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How lucky you are , Cyril to get down to the south to see these 'drops and access them.
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The first Sandersii of the season for me. One I found by a stream near Old Bewick Northumberland.
John(M)
John...fun to see this pretty little sandersii that you found by the stream. Hats off. Rick
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Morning roll call is getting very interesting! For a change, one of the early drops has emerged before some of the later varieties. Today 'Nice 'n' Early' and 'Yaffle' have made an appearance.
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I am using this quote and photo from Tim purely as an example: Tim posted this the other day- with a photo that was rather large - which made it hard for folks to look at the flowers and be able to read the names in the text , without scrolling back and forth - here is the same picture, resized to the Forum recommended size of 760 pixels wide.
While a large photo can be glorious and can look very good when it is displayed alone on a page, in the Forum the restrictions of the text boxes etc do mean that photos larger that 760 pixels wide will not be seen to their best advantage.
I take this opportunity to once more urge members to re-size their photos to a maximum of 760 pixels wide - it is possible, as is made clear by the number of very excellent photos on the forum which adhere to this ruling, to have perfectly good quality photos displaying the details and beauty of a plant while remaining within the 760 pixels wide and under 200kb limits.
'Three Ships' is one of those classic snowdrops that we once had but never established - must try it again, especially to get more early forms going in the garden. Most of these are normally a little later, or from a few flowers only just beginning.
The four taller and larger flowers at the rear (from left to right):-
'Reverend Hailstone' (very good early variety given to us by David and Anke Way)
elwesii var. monostictus (ex. Kath Dryden, originally listed as caucasicus 'Late Form'. Excellent plant)
elwesii 'Mrs McNamara' (nice tall and striking early New Year variety that has been pictured a few times)
plicatus 'Colossus' (not so colossal, but normally about the earliest of these)
In the middle-back with a typically yellowish ovary:-
'Sutton Courtenay' (this does stand out when it clumps up well in the garden - a little way to go with us)
In the front (from left to right):-
'Richard Ayres' (super double)
plicatus 'Roger's Rough' (flower still to open - named for Richard Bird's garden and a good compact well flowered plant)
nivalis 'Anglesey Abbey' (green leaves, tending to poculiform, really distinctive form)
elwesii 'Kyre Park' (new to us but a very nice well marked double)
woronowii (quite an early clump of this, well worth growing in more variety)
plicatus 'Gerard Parker' (really superb garden plant which self-seeds and is named after one of the most eminent Galanthophiles of past years)
Several of these came from the Myddelton House event last year, not so hard for those living way down in the south-east to get to; (some very nice strong looking plants like 'Diggory' and 'Wasp' still to look forward to from here last year). No virescent or yellows flowering yet, and not many of these in the garden either!
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Hi here is my first snowdrop of the season, galanthus Gracilis, getting blown about in the storm raging here at the moment.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7537/16058460529_4e5dd6acfc_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16058460529/)
Galanthus Gracilis (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16058460529/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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If it wasn't so windy it would be a perfect day for photographing snowdrops
'Wind Turbine' - a reliable twin scaper
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A terrible angle to show a pot of elwesii 'Godfrey Owen'
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The earliest of the composers to flower and often in mid December - elwesii 'Haydn'
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Fine triple Mark. Not only bad winter weather.......
May I use the pics of GO for a lecture please?
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Sorry about that Maggi - I've been using yet another different method on our Mac to reduce photos assuming that they are OK below 200kB - didn't realise this would end up over 760 pixels wide! Nice to see it full screen like that. Will have to play with the method John has mentioned.
Mark - is Godfrey Owen usually so early? Or is it because it is under cover? Haven't seen 'Wind Turbine' before - very aptly named. Would be good to get a little colder weather to slow things down a bit!
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Fine triple Mark. Not only bad winter weather.......
May I use the pics of GO for a lecture please?
Of course. Do you want the originals so you can edit them yourself?
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Mark - is Godfrey Owen usually so early? Or is it because it is under cover?
Grown under cover without heat. Its flowering about 10 days earlier this year. Warm last winter and this winter. 12c the other day here
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Another nice snowdrop which may have come from Ian Christie is 'Mona'
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Mark- I'm gonna be nit-picky - would you start resizing your pix to 760 pixels wide for the forum , please?
See reminder: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg321035#msg321035 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg321035#msg321035) :D
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Another nice snowdrop which may have come from Ian Christie is 'Mona'
Yes, I think 'Mona ' is one of Ian the Christie kind's - so that's probably who you got it from.
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Hi Maggie,
Apologies from me… I see I have been an offender on the pixel size. I didn’t realise there was a problem, because (under 200kb) the website accepts them, and I don’t tend to look at photos I’ve posted on the forum.
My pictures were coming in at anything up to 1280 pixels wide.. Which I now see (having looked at some of them) does create problems… I’ll change the settings!
However Mark’s pictures…. At 800pixels…. Don’t create a problem on my screen… Am I missing the point here?
Tim DH
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Thanks for this , Tim.
We have found, over the years, that 760 proves the best size to be viewable on the majority of screens- just that!
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Yes I'll do that
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Thank you Mark. I would like to use GO and GO3, first and second picture. Send to my e-mail please?
A friend of mine starts a Galanthus festival. So I have to tell a lecture.....and Godfrey Owen is a snowdrop star.... in my eyes....
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Very windy but a Sunny day! A good day to fotograph some drops in flower.
Galanthus reginae-olgae 'Llo n'green'
Galanthus 'Franz Joseph' (a very good early double one)
Galanthus gracilis, a good species
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Galanthus 'Cressida' (neat plicatus/nivalis hybrid double) with 'Green Light' in bud to the right. 'Cressida' always flowers in January and this year I have noticed that a number of the 'Cressida' bulbs are producing two scapes; quite a feat for a double snowdrop. I don't know if this is something I have failed to notice hitherto or whether this is just a particularly good year. A couple of other forum members have 'Cressida' so I would be interested to know if they have ever noticed her doing this.
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Alan - 'Green Light' is not quite at that stage in our garden, but now I see where the name comes from - the foliage really does light up. Will be exciting to see this in flower :)
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Alan, your Cressida does behave the same with me. It produces, with larger bulbs, two scapes. I noticed it last year and this year some bulbs are doing it again. It is also a good multiplier :).
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Gentleman, please note :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12602.msg321033#msg321033 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12602.msg321033#msg321033)
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Very windy but a Sunny day! A good day to fotograph some drops in flower.
Galanthus reginae-olgae 'Llo n'green'
Galanthus 'Franz Joseph' (a very good early double one)
Galanthus gracilis, a good species
Ruben, G. gracilis is a very dainty species. My G. gracilis 'Corkscrew' is nearly open but we are now having very windy, wet weather. G. 'Franz Joseph' must be one of the best 'double' selection. Must search for it but have not seen it on any list. I think 'Llo n' Green' is a G. nivalis selection.
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Hi Maggie,
Apologies from me… I see I have been an offender on the pixel size. I didn’t realise there was a problem, because (under 200kb) the website accepts them, and I don’t tend to look at photos I’ve posted on the forum.
My pictures were coming in at anything up to 1280 pixels wide.. Which I now see (having looked at some of them) does create problems… I’ll change the settings!
However Mark’s pictures…. At 800pixels…. Don’t create a problem on my screen… Am I missing the point here?
Tim DH
Mark's photos at 800 display on my screen with a bar under them that I have to move to see the whole photo, and I can't see it all at once. I don't think it's my screen which is actually quite large for a laptop. Also the parts of the photos that I can see are too big and don't look right. I think even smaller than 760 actually looks better, not so in your face.
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I think 'Llo n' Green' is a G. nivalis selection.
Formerly classified by G. reginae-olgae ssp vernalis based on the faint mid-line stripe on the leaves but now considered to be a G. nivalis.
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I must admit that I have great difficulty telling nivalis and reginae-olgae ssp vernalis apart. Some reginae-olgae have very narrow leaves with a very obvious stripe but in general I don't believe that the presence or absence of a mid-line stripe down the leaves is a reliable indicator of species.
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A couple in bloom for me now. Deer Slot showing a 'proper' mark not a 'cow hoof'. An unnamed elwesii which I refer to as 'Pisces' due to a friend pointing out the inner looks like a decapitated fish and it being my zodiac sign!
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Formerly classified by G. reginae-olgae ssp vernalis based on the faint mid-line stripe on the leaves but now considered to be a G. nivalis.
Thank you for the clarification. Like Alan said, it is sometimes difficult to tell the difference between the two species.
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Gorgeous photographs Dean. The second one is especially good. I'd love a full size version to use as my desktop wallpaper. ;)
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This is an nivalis which flowers very early (i.e. now), increases rapidly and tends to produce aberrant flowers with misshapen and extra petals. It does not have a name because I am in two minds about its merits and because I cannot thing of a good one. But if it keeps on increasing so rapidly I will have to do something with it. Perhaps I should use the name I chose for the picture, 'Wrong'un'?
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A couple in bloom for me now. Deer Slot showing a 'proper' mark not a 'cow hoof'. An unnamed elwesii which I refer to as 'Pisces' due to a friend pointing out the inner looks like a decapitated fish and it being my zodiac sign!
Have started coughing fit after extended giggling due to description of "decapitated fish" :P ;D
Enjoyed that laugh as much as the super pix, Dean, thanks!!
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This mornings roll call added another couple of beauties, in addition to the bright sunshine before the storm tomorrow night (weedy Southern storm that is ;D)
Two new additions in 'Byrkley' and 'John Tomlinson' both resting bulbs obtained last year from Avon and Judy's snowdrops respectively.
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Hi Ruben,
What do you mean by ''huge flowers'' ?
Please could you measure the length of the outer petals??
Tim DH
Hi Tim, the flowers of ´Paradise Giant´are fully expanded now - the outers measure 32 mm.
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Thank you for your kind comments about my first post of photo's. Here are a few more captured today in a brief lull between wintry showers. Fieldgate Prelude towers above Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'. Wasp, which is starting to make a nice little clump for me. Mrs Macnamara in the company of Helleborus 'Anna's Red'. I have a few more in bloom but with the plummet in temperature they're not opening.
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Flowering in the alpine house,
G. elwesii from Hadim, Western Turkey:
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I sowed seeds of G.elwesii from Hadim in December (Holubeck). :) It would be nice to see photos of snowdrops growing there in the wild, has anyone been there?
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A couple in bloom for me now. Deer Slot showing a 'proper' mark not a 'cow hoof'. An unnamed elwesii which I refer to as 'Pisces' due to a friend pointing out the inner looks like a decapitated fish and it being my zodiac sign!
Dean, nice to see a deer slotted 'Deer Slot'. Fun to see your elwesii fish find again, too. Rick
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This is an nivalis which flowers very early (i.e. now), increases rapidly and tends to produce aberrant flowers with misshapen and extra petals. It does not have a name because I am in two minds about its merits and because I cannot thing of a good one. But if it keeps on increasing so rapidly I will have to do something with it. Perhaps I should use the name I chose for the picture, 'Wrong'un'?
Alan, interesting form, particularly the very long ovaries. Any chance we might see a shot of the flower a bit more opened up? Rick
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As it was a nice sunny day, albeit windy, I decided to take a wander round the garden as an antidote on my return from Tesco. Snowdrops starting to burst into flower all around so I got my camera out for the first time this year. Some not fully out but will retake later on. Here are few pics:
1. Galanthus plicatus x byzantinus ex Warham
2. Galanthus plicatus x byzantinus ex Warham
3. Galanthus ‘Trimmer’
4. Galanthus ‘Glenorma’
5. Galanthus ‘Green Brush’
A few more to follow.
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A few more from today.
1. Galanthus ‘Trumps’
2. Galanthus ‘Trym Baby’
3. Galanthus ‘Sprite’
4. Galanthus ‘Saraband’
5. Galanthus ‘Fly Fishing’
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Superb pictures, David. I wonder if Galanthus plicatus var. byzantinus ex Warham, which is a very attractive early snowdrop, is hampered by the lack of a proper name?
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David, I am enjoying your superb photographs of your drops. Inspiration for me. Rick
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Superb pictures, David. I wonder if Galanthus plicatus var. byzantinus ex Warham, which is a very attractive early snowdrop, is hampered by the lack of a proper name?
I very much doubt it, every time it is admired we point people to Wol and Sue's sales, and I dare say they have no complaints ;D
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Thanks Rick very kind of you. Actually I only own two - and they aren't in these pics! I just take the pictures of my other halfs prides and joys and I only wake up on here in the early part of the year.
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Superb pictures, David. I wonder if Galanthus plicatus var. byzantinus ex Warham, which is a very attractive early snowdrop, is hampered by the lack of a proper name?
Shouldn't be, it is one of my favourite drops.
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I got a bulb of Pl Byzantinus ex Warham last year as a gift from a very kind member ;), and it flowers at the moment . It is a lovely large snowdrop !
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Hi Mariette,
Thanks for measuring ‘Paradise Giant’ (reply #109 above) I’ll add it to the list on the “Big Large Huge….” thread (which is reply #36 on that thread).
Tim DH
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Here are few photos of Snowdrops flowering in the garden at the moment. We had a very warm Autumn in 2014 which led to some Snowdrops flowering much earlier than usual!
Galanthus elwesii 'Comet'
Galanthus nivalis 'Cornwood'
Galanthus 'Richard Ayres'
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A few more.
Galanthus 'Fly Fishing' has now gone over, this photo was taken in December 2014!
Galanthus 'Mrs Thompson' doing her best 'Alien' impression.
Galanthus ikariae 'Butt's Form'.
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Exciting time of year for you folks, Jane! Seems to me like the season is galloping ahead.
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I have just spent two wonderful and agonising hours with the North Green Snowdrop spring catalogue...
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a few from today...
Washfield Colesbourne
Richard Ayres
Headbourne
Little John
David Baker
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cont....
Diggory
Midwinter
Mighty Atom
Ketton
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Over here in the frigid US where it was 5 degrees F (-15 C) the other night, 'Three Ships' sails on though it did benefit from being covered through the worst of it.
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Great pictures Richard. Ketton, still one of my favourites :D.
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I very much doubt it, every time it is admired we point people to Wol and Sue's sales, and I dare say they have no complaints ;D
I have to second Brian's comments. It is the most reliable of snowdrops here in the garden, grows well, never a bother etc. It is the clump in the centre of the following photograph.
G. plicatus 'Warham' - am I talking about the correct snowdrop? Or is G. plicatus x byzanthinus ex Warham something different.
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Over here in the frigid US where it was 5 degrees F (-15 C) the other night, 'Three Ships' sails on though it did benefit from being covered through the worst of it.
How did you cover it, Carolyn? Mine suffered badly through snow cover...
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G. plicatus 'Warham' - am I talking about the correct snowdrop? Or is G. plicatus x byzanthinus ex Warham something different.
I think the two are different although, since both names pertain to their common place of origin, they are confusingly similar. I think G. plicatus [and the next bit must actually be var. or ssp. - it just says Galanthus byzantinus ... on my label] byzantinus ex warham was found when the Galanthus Gala made an excursion to Warham Rectory (?) about a decade ago. Whereas G. plicatus 'Warham' has been around a good deal longer. I bought my 'byzantinus ex Warham' from Wol and Sue Staines and Wol expressed disappointment that a snowdrop that was highly admired when it was found has not subsequently achieved much in the way of recognition.
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Does anyone know if 'James Backhouse' can be green tipped?
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I bought my 'byzantinus ex Warham' from Wol and Sue Staines
I checked and it wasn't in their dormant bulb list last summer, I hope it will be there next summer. :)
Paddy, I always admire your snowdrop garden scenes, so inspiring and wonderful.
Here it is only snow at the moment.
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Does anyone know if 'James Backhouse' can be green tipped?
It would not surprise me, Mark. That one seems to be whatever it feels like each year and something different the next.
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How did you cover it, Carolyn? Mine suffered badly through snow cover...
I covered it with a plastic almost clear storage box, which will go on again tonight as the temperatures plunge from the low 40s today to 15 degrees F. I am nervous about all my snowdrops that have their leaves fully extended (because they are fall-blooming) as I lost my whole patch of 'Faringdon Double' last year and four 'Diggory'. I am pretty sure it was because they were planted as dormant bulbs that fall and were not really established when winter hit, and it was a bad winter. Another reason why, for our climate with very low winter temperatures, I think planting in the green in the spring is better. Over my 30 years of growing snowdrops, I have had almost 100% success with spring planting and very mixed success with dormant planting. I can't speak to planting methods in other parts of the world.
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Does anyone know if 'James Backhouse' can be green tipped?
None of mine ever have been.
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Lots of sun today and a first spring feeling. ;D
Galanthus 'Lapwing'
Galanthus elwesii 'Paradise Giant '
Galanthus 'Franz Josef'
Galanthus gracilis 'Corkscrew' - with very twisted leaves
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Galanthus elwesii 'Godfrey Owen' - perfect poculiform
Galanthus 'Rosie' - a early flowering double
Galanthus elwesii 'Huttlestone' - a green leaved elwesii
Galanhtus nivalis 'La moriniére' -
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Galanthus 'Ivy cottage corporal'
Galanthus 'Chequers'
Galanthus nivalis 'Llo ngreen'
Galanhtus 'David baker' -
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'Godfrey Owen is a very handsome flower.
I see from looking at these photos, and all your superb crocus pictures ( http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12598.msg321639#msg321639 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12598.msg321639#msg321639) ) why you feel it is Spring, Ruben! 8)
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A little bit of sunshine and your world looks ok, Ruben!
Thank you for these fine pics. And I thought there is January in Belgium.
Here is a pic for all, but especially for you.
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Thanks Maggy! But its still winter! It start raining again >:(
Wooow, that a real stunner Hagen. Made in Belgium LOL - i found a lot myself but not one so green as yours! Maybe this year in a new search. ;D
I will post my finds of nivalis var. scharlockii when they are flowering!
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Galanthus 'Ivy cottage corporal'
Galanthus 'Chequers'
Galanthus nivalis 'Llo ngreen'
Galanhtus 'David baker' -
Ruben, some lovely drops!A little bit of sunshine and your world looks ok, Ruben!
Thank you for these fine pics. And I thought there is January in Belgium.
Here is a pic for all, but especially for you.
Hagen, That's another stunner!
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Beautiful pics, beautiful drops, Ruben!
I covered it with a plastic almost clear storage box, which will go on again tonight as the temperatures plunge from the low 40s today to 15 degrees F. I am nervous about all my snowdrops that have their leaves fully extended (because they are fall-blooming) as I lost my whole patch of 'Faringdon Double' last year and four 'Diggory'. I am pretty sure it was because they were planted as dormant bulbs that fall and were not really established when winter hit, and it was a bad winter. Another reason why, for our climate with very low winter temperatures, I think planting in the green in the spring is better. Over my 30 years of growing snowdrops, I have had almost 100% success with spring planting and very mixed success with dormant planting. I can't speak to planting methods in other parts of the world.
Thank you, Carolyn, that is very interesting! I am very nervous about my autumn-flowering galanthus - it is their first winter. But I planted them in the green and so far they seem ok. But we haven't had any really hard frost yet. I'll keep that plastic box handy...
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A little bit of sunshine and your world looks ok, Ruben!
Thank you for these fine pics. And I thought there is January in Belgium.
Here is a pic for all, but especially for you.
Would love to see this in the flesh, Hagen, looks to be so heavily green that it's more leaf that outer!
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Another reason why, for our climate with very low winter temperatures, I think planting in the green in the spring is better. Over my 30 years of growing snowdrops, I have had almost 100% success with spring planting and very mixed success with dormant planting. I can't speak to planting methods in other parts of the world.
I think I agree with this. Considering that the first frost here, in November, was a drop to -22C, established bulbs would have a much better chance. I planted a few dozen ordinary snowdrops some years ago and planted them in November, and not one appeared the next year.
Since I have to water snowdrops in the summer, spring-planted ones recover quite well.
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I planted a few dozen ordinary snowdrops some years ago and planted them in November, and not one appeared the next year.
Here the cold may also come in November, but I have planted dormant snowdrops in August or early September, and they have all done well. Two or three months have been enough for them to form roots. I have understood that snowdrops start to form new roots at that time after the summer rest, but I don't have a lot of experience yet. One snowdrop I planted last year in October and in the spring it formed untypical flower with very short stem, I think someone said that it was most likely because it had not had enough time to root.
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I have accidentally lifted snowdrops in July, 22nd, that already have excellent roots
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I have accidentally lifted snowdrops in July, 22nd, that already have excellent roots
I just thought that I should lift G.nivalis different times of summer to see when the new roots start to form in my climate. Couple of years ago I lifted them in the end of June and then they still had good (old?) roots. Does the formation of roots differ in different species or is it a matter of temperature and rain?
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Art Nouveau :) Sorry Maggi, wrong way up - help please.
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edit by maggi ; done now , Carole - sorry, I only just found this! Very pretty, by the way!
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Fantastic Carol very artistic you now have room for another nine Galanthus could set a trend, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Lovely day to spent in the garden, with the sun making the flowers go open :D
Lord Kitchener
Rosie
Ivy Cottage Green Tip
Glenorma
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Here the cold may also come in November, but I have planted dormant snowdrops in August or early September, and they have all done well. Two or three months have been enough for them to form roots. I have understood that snowdrops start to form new roots at that time after the summer rest, but I don't have a lot of experience yet. One snowdrop I planted last year in October and in the spring it formed untypical flower with very short stem, I think someone said that it was most likely because it had not had enough time to root.
We were talking about planting dormant snowdrops in the fall that then came up, bloomed, and formed leaves in the fall or early winter that needed to persist through very cold winters in the US. I mentioned losses of 'Faringdon Double' and 'Diggory' both of which send up leaves and bloom before our really cold weather sets in. It is not about the roots because both of these cultivars were quite healthy looking in fall/early winter 2013 when they came up. In spring 2014 they were still there but the leaves were battered and sometimes missing completely and they failed to come up in fall 2014. I have no problem with established fall bloomers (leafers) or any that I plant in the spring of the previous year, just the plants from dormant bulbs. This discussion isn't really relevant to the UK or other places (like the US Pacific Northwest) where weather patterns are very different and temperatures are more moderate. For example, in January 2013, we experienced two separate periods when temperatures went down to 3 degrees F (-16 C) in Philadelphia. I live in the suburbs so it was probably at least 5 degrees colder. This is not unusual. I really don't think that a dormant bulb planted in September is established in January even if it has nice roots.
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I really don't think that a dormant bulb planted in September is established in January even if it has nice roots.
How about this for an explanation. Snowdrops don't experience a dormancy during winter (or even at any time, as far as I know). The bulbs may have enough stored energy to flower, but not to survive the whole winter. In order for them to survive they have to photosynthesize, and this means being able to produce cryoprotective sugars by pulling water from the soil. Even with roots, if the roots have not come into contact with the soil to a degree sufficient to allow them to pull as much water as necessary, leaves are damaged after experiencing cold.
So, in other words, you're right.
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How about this for an explanation. Snowdrops don't experience a dormancy during winter (or even at any time, as far as I know). The bulbs may have enough stored energy to flower, but not to survive the whole winter. In order for them to survive they have to photosynthesize, and this means being able to produce cryoprotective sugars by pulling water from the soil. Even with roots, if the roots have not come into contact with the soil to a degree sufficient to allow them to pull as much water as necessary, leaves are damaged after experiencing cold.
So, in other words, you're right.
Bob, I have wondered about this issue for a while, especially since "in the green" can be controversial among snowdrop enthusiasts. I believe that the decision about when is the best time to move/plant snowdrops should be determined by experience in the climate/garden where you are doing it and not by hard and fast rules. My experience in the mid-Atlantic US over a long period of time with thousands of snowdrops is that spring planting is best especially if the snowdrop is fall-blooming or generally early blooming. What is your experience in Denver?
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Carolyn wrote :
I believe that the decision about when is the best time to move/plant snowdrops should be determined by experience in the climate/garden where you are doing it and not by hard and fast rules.
I agree that experience can be a much better teacher than "received wisdom" - I'd just like to bring this thought into this discussion: there is "in the green" and "dormant" - and then there is "dried out to within an inch of their lives" - and there are many bulbs which will not thrive if they are overly dried out. Real difference is between dry and dessicated ! Erythronium don't like to be too dry either.
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Lovely day to spent in the garden, with the sun making the flowers go open :D
Lord Kitchener
Rosie
Ivy Cottage Green Tip
Glenorma
Ivy Cottage GT is a great drop, will be after more next weekend :)
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My experience in the mid-Atlantic US over a long period of time with thousands of snowdrops is that spring planting is best especially if the snowdrop is fall-blooming or generally early blooming. What is your experience in Denver?
I would say, in general, that the earlier snowdrops (and cyclamen) are planted, the better. It never rains here after the first of November, and that may make a difference.
Here is "Theresa Stone", picture taken just a few minutes ago. At least I think that's what it is; I had a fence built and for some reason the people building it didn't pay any attention to my plastic labels.
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first two flowers from twinscaled bulb: RON MACKENZIE
It is a good yellow colour also in the greenhouse
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Some terrific photos here again today Richard and all...and Hagen, your G. 'Ronald Mackenzie' is stand alone stunning. Rick
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who is who???
both well known cultivars with English names :)
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who is who???
both well known cultivars with English names :)
Green Tear and Green Mile? Don't know which is which
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If you are correct, Mark, then I think 'Green Mile' is the darker/greener one of the two so should be the one on the left.
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Hagen,
Rosemary Burnham on the right.
At first look the one on the left is??? I think its a very,very good example of Green Tear.
Is there a prize for this? ;D or just public embarrassment ????
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r-o. Vernalis closest to the camera, a selection of plicatus from Woottens further away, though it looks like one clump.
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Here is a plant sent to me by a generous friend. G gracilis given as "Ron Mackenzie's form". I am quite taken with it's quiet elegance
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Here is a plant sent to me by a generous friend. G gracilis given as "Ron Mackenzie's form". I am quite taken with it's quiet elegance
Very elegant indeed. And neat marks. Good shape to the flowers, even though the "claws" are a bit longer than I might favour - I find the tendency for the claws to lengthen as the flower matures is not a feature which appeals to me. I'd be interested to see another photo when the flower is older, please, Ian, if you would be so kind?
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Galanthus woronowii
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G. alpinus
Chupacabras brother
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Ru, you will find the direct way to a green Gw. Fingers crossed!!!
And here is the answer of my little green puzzle.
Left GREEN TEAR
Right ROSEMARY BURNHAM
We will have to sharpen our eyes to see the differences. Ovarium, size, notch. There are a lot little things, unique for every flower.
Steve, sorry but no prize. But all you are winners of a little bit more knowledge. Not often you can see both side by side.
GREEN MILE has an other kind of green......
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Thank you, Hagen! Alas, they are very, very few.
Galanthus woronowii
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Carolyn wrote :
I agree that experience can be a much better teacher than "received wisdom" - I'd just like to bring this thought into this discussion: there is "in the green" and "dormant" - and then there is "dried out to within an inch of their lives" - and there are many bulbs which will not thrive if they are overly dried out. Real difference is between dry and dessicated ! Erythronium don't like to be too dry either.
Yes, there are three ways to get snowdrops: dried bulbs, dormant bulbs, and growing plants. The first is very iffy but worth trying if the bulbs are very inexpensive. All my comments were directed to dormant v. plants.
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Left GREEN TEAR
Right ROSEMARY BURNHAM
We will have to sharpen our eyes to see the differences. Ovarium, size, notch. There are a lot little things, unique for every flower.
Rosemary Burnham is much more elegant overall to me, though I guess that may just be the two particular flowers.
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The best plants I have had have been lifted 'in the green' early on but then potted and allowed to grow out probably with some protection in colder weather; this is what we do taking care to minimise damage to the roots. We had some superb plants from the Myddelton sale last January (maybe some were lifted in the summer and potted? and kept relatively dry until autumn) and almost all of them are growing well now with multiple shoots. Last winter was mild and wet, ideal for establishment in the winter. So far this winter has been the same and everything has been moving in the past week or two. A few years ago we had blistering cold north-east winds which desiccated both snowdrops and hellebores and left both looking very sorry - winter snow is the real ideal, a comfortable blanket ;)
Like those little green tipped woronowii's - this is a favourite plant in our garden because the foliage makes such a contrast to most other snowdrops. Wouldn't mind 'Rosemary Burnham' and 'Green Tear' though... very nice to see the comparison.
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Great findings Ru :), fantastic to see those lovely Woronowii's
One of Ru's Plicatus finds is flowering with me now. Totally green inner marking and lovely green outers ;D
It is a small bulb, so the flower will look even better when it is mature.
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This year I'm taking a series of photos of my Dryad Gold seedlings to compare them, and assess which could be named. Here are some of them. I'd like any opinions, good or bad!
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Another few.
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Ha! Made you look!! :o :o
Somethings been eating the outer segments.... :-\
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One of the reverse pocs. Seems to be increasing quite well.
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The photograph of Dryad Gold b is my favourite, Anne. But I could easily change my mind if I was there to make a side-by-side comparison. And the 'reverse poc' is lovely; did you breed that one also?
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Anne, your Golden pictures are a festival for my eyes,
but no idea what could be the best flower.
All give a good feeling.
Very fine inverse poc.
Not only another TRYM-baby.
Very specially!!!
Best fingers work with
good luck!
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Well I like 4,5,6, Anne,the pictures look as though they are a stronger yellow,colourwise, and of course the reverse poc
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The inverse poc is one of mine too. This one is better!
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It certainly is! They are all a credit to you Anne, I particularly like the shorter sturdier ones like 8.
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Here lies the problem - if you found one new yellow snowdrop in your garden, you would name it wouldn't you (and stick it on ebay!), but if you have 20 or so.... which to name? And what to do with the rest?
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It certainly is! They are all a credit to you Anne, I particularly like the shorter sturdier ones like 8.
It will be interesting to see if the stems elongate as the flower ages. Although the ones in the open garden were quite short last year.
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Mercy, Anne - you do make beautiful babies !
I'm not a huge fan of the yellows usually, but I like same the ones Brian does . I also find myself admiring your reverse pocs - and I think it is because I know you grow your plants hard in Tockwith - and so I suspect these may all be really tough little gems which will do well in other gardens too.
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Anne many thanks for showing us your plants, I think Dryad Gold B is especially beautiful.
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Dryad Gold 8 gets my vote. The shorter stature makes for well a proportioned plant and the yellow is a good rich colour.
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Anne, lovely plants !! Congratulations with your result of hard work.
My personal favourites, B & K :)
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A lovely choice of golden snowdrops, Anne! Dryad Gold 5 appears to make a difference, having broader ATPs, which render an umbrella-like shape to the flower. Although I like the elegant shape of the others as well. Before You send any to the compost-heap - they´d be very welcome here!
My personal aim is to combine yellow ovaries and marks with mid- to darkgreen leaves, for better contrast.
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And what to do with the rest?
I'm sure there are plenty who could suggest what could be done ;)
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Quote from: annew on Today at 06:02:41 PM
And what to do with the rest?
I'm sure there are plenty who could suggest what could be done ;)
I have already dispatched to Anne, via fine carrier pigeons, the suggestion that she could trial her plants in the environs of an Aberdeen garden.......
( I think the carrier pigeons will seal the deal - always supposing they get there in this wind ::) )
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Well, it seems I have one for all tastes! I'll make sure none go to waste! Mariette, you are right, that would be a good combination, but so far the paler leaves go with the yellow flowers.
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I had the same thought Maggie about Northamptonshire ;) ;)
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I have already dispatched to Anne, via fine carrier pigeons, the suggestion that she could trial her plants in the environs of an Aberdeen garden.......
( I think the carrier pigeons will seal the deal - always supposing they get there in this wind ::) )
I don't think they'd get through the weather safely, sorry Maggi ;D
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Here's a close up of the reverse poc (RP). As you can see from the parentage, it wasn't quite what I was hoping for, but sometimes failure isn't all bad. :)
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Here's a close up of the reverse poc (RP). As you can see from the parentage, it wasn't quite what I was hoping for, but sometimes failure isn't all bad. :)
Anne, your inverse poc is a stunner and given its 1/2 yellow genes, I bet a back cross with Wendy's Gold pollen may get you a gold heart on that poc. You would know better than I. And if others send pigeons, I will talk to Gandalf to see if the Eagles are available. Beautiful work and you should be proud them all. My favorite might be Galanthus Dryad Gold F...tall and good sized mark on inners. Rick
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Mmm I'd just go in the car (if it was working ) , eagles aren't that bothered helping people
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I bet a back cross with Wendy's Gold pollen may get you a gold heart on that poc.
That sounds like a good plan!
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Here lies the problem - if you found one new yellow snowdrop in your garden, you would name it wouldn't you .... ?
Actually, NO! If it was a pure nivalis it would just get lumped into Sandersii unless it had some very exceptional qualities. If it was pure plicatus it would likewise need to look significantly different from the other yellow ones. I do come across yellow plicatus in the wild from time to time, yesterday for example (see picture below).
Now, Anne, I believe your yellow snowdrops are unique being the only ones identified as nivalis x plicatus hybrids. And they all look somewhere between nice and lovely. But I'm sure in the same situation many professional snowdrop growers would pick one or two, based on appearance, ease of twin scaling (and hopefully garden-worthiness) and suppress the rest so the world never gets to hear about them. Too many similar ones and you devalue the currency. Just find the others a spot in your garden/nursery where they can grow, possibly interbreed and see if nature can improve on what you have achieved already.
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Dryad Gold 5 appears to make a difference, having broader ATPs, which render an umbrella-like shape to the flower. Although I like the elegant shape of the others as well. Before You send any to the compost-heap - they´d be very welcome here!
I like no 5 best, the same reason as Mariette, but I would also welcome any one of those in my garden. :)
You can sell them as a mix. ;)
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I would agree with Alan - they would all fit effectively into a 'Dryad Gold' Group or Grex unless any one stood out especially, and from a gardener's perspective this would be a plant like 'Wendy's Gold' which is such an excellent garden plant. I think all Galanthophiles will be full of admiration and excited by the further possibilities of your crossing programme. Garden worthiness is the key rather than just looks so it would be good to trial them under your present numbering system, maybe in friend's gardens too (suddenly you will have a lot of these ;)) and in time give one the title 'Dryad Gold Star' (or such like) to distinguish it from the 'Dryad Gold' Group/Grex. I think there will be a pretty good following for all of them! :D
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Mmm I'd just go in the car (if it was working ) , eagles aren't that bothered helping people
I'm a tad worried - eagles eat pigeons ::)
Is you car still very sick, Emma?
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G. plicatus 'Warham' - am I talking about the correct snowdrop? Or is G. plicatus x byzanthinus ex Warham something different.
Sorry Paddy I missed this earlier. You may be talking about the same thing and you may not! With bulbs provenance is everything. My G.plicatus ex Warham is not yet in flower and I haven't yet looked at G. 'Warham Rectory' to see what that's doing. It seems to me that it must have been a fantastic visit to Warham as that's where G. 'Fatty Puff' and G. 'Diggory' originate too.
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Anne, your inverse poc is a stunner and given its 1/2 yellow genes, I bet a back cross with Wendy's Gold pollen may get you a gold heart on that poc.
Galanthus 'Heart of Gold', eh? That one would be a winner!
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Thanks for all your ideas, folks. Will be keeping my eye on them all, and I hope I'll have reports on those few that are already in other gardens.
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Some lovely babies Ann especially the ones with green outers
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A few from today.
A tiny green-tipped nivalis from Estonia.
A Trymmer (Trimmer?) lookalike, one of my seedlings
Desdemona
A garden centre find
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Sentinel, an upright grower with a long flower, aptly named
Dryad Gold J, a particularly nice shaped, large flower
Dryad Gold L - a reverse Blonde Inge!
The vaseful, after their photo-call.
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Very nice snowdrops again Anne :D. The garden centre find has a lovely marking !
Keep on showing pictures.
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BSBI (Botanical Society of Britain and Ireland ) has this Snowdrop ID sheet for Beginner galanthophiles
http://www.bsbi.org.uk/Snowdrop_identification.pdf (http://www.bsbi.org.uk/Snowdrop_identification.pdf)
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The Dryad Gold L looks interesting and quite different - do you know if it is stable Anne?
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Anne,
Wonderful plants.Thanks for sharing your achievements.
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The Dryad Gold L looks interesting and quite different - do you know if it is stable Anne?
I don't remember it flowering last year, so time will tell.
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G. 'Fenstead End' blooming today in the garden. Rick
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G. 'Ketton' inside this morning. Rick
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Green Brush
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Spindlestone Surprise
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Dear Galanthophiles,
I was just wondering whether someone has experience with the New Zealand cultivar G. Hughes Emerald in garden conditions in our climate? I'm currently growing the plant in a pot in which it thrives and I'd like to give it a shot in the garden as well.
greetings,
Clint
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Zwanenburg
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Hello Robin great to hear from you we visited Denis Hughes in New Zealand in December last year and yes we grow his snowdrop which he names G. Emerald Hughes cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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I don't remember it flowering last year, so time will tell.
Thanks Anne, I hope you manage to find time for some follow up next year, filling those amazing new frames should keep you rather busy.
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Dear Galanthophiles,
I was just wondering whether someone has experience with the New Zealand cultivar G. Hughes Emerald in garden conditions in our climate? I'm currently growing the plant in a pot in which it thrives and I'd like to give it a shot in the garden as well.
greetings,
Clint
I have had this for a number of years and it does perfectly well in the open garden.
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It grows fine outside in zone 6 Kansas, USA. Had it for several years.
John B
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Dear Galanthophiles,
I was just wondering whether someone has experience with the New Zealand cultivar G. Hughes Emerald in garden conditions in our climate? I'm currently growing the plant in a pot in which it thrives and I'd like to give it a shot in the garden as well.
greetings,
Clint
...and has anyone a photo of this for those that haven't seen it?
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Thanks for the info!
Ian, hope you are alright!
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Brian, and others of course. I came across this picture of Hughes Emerald. It is posted earlier by Paddy :D.
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have been invaded by a film crew for a few days & have to be quiet :-\ so having a nice relaxing time pottering around in the greenhouse sorting out pots.
another seedling from the wild flower lawn, really like this one.
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Lovely snowdrop Richard. I like the shape of large flower , and full marked inner.
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The long claws frame beautifully the inners. Snowdrops with such elegant proportions are definitely my favourites!
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Thank you Richard, you can tell by how many times the picture has been looked at that others were interested in
'Hughes Emerald' 'Emerald Hughes' (corrected as name found to be transposed) too.
Richard that is a nice seedling, you can see some 'Diggory' parentage I think?
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Brian, most of the seedlings I am finding are around the original planting of Diggory & there's a lot of variation, that one with the pale flower (lots of gracilis planted nearby) is similar to Yaffle but smaller & with longer claws.
Still have many more to flower so looking forward to seeing what else pops up :)
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Richard, you need to plant a Green Tear near your Diggory's ;), maybe it will bring you a Diggory flower with green markings on the outers :P.
Looking at the picture of the flower you posted, it looks like Gracilis has crossed with Diggory.
If your other seedlings brings you flowers, show some pictures again.
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Picture of a seedling, the first ever I have in flower, and with green markings ;D
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Congratulations Richard, do show us the inner marking when it opens.
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Where's John Finch this year?
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Richard, you need to plant a Green Tear near your Diggory's ;), maybe it will bring you a Diggory flower with green markings on the outers :P.
Already have one ;D but it's safe & sound elsewhere. It doesn't have the outers curled back under to the extent that Diggory does but you can certainly see the parentage. Green marks have been stable for several years so I'm hopeful. The only trouble is what to do with it, should have made a new bulb this year then it'll probably be sent away to be chipped, too scared to do it myself!
When Green Tear is £10 a bulb I will buy one :P
Last years flower.
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Brian, it freezes with us at the moment, so have to wait for warmer weather :(. But if I remember from last week, it has just a Nivalis
marked inner.
Mark, I was thinking the same, John seems to have slow down with snowdrops for the last 2 years ::). I always liked his pictures and reports.
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RichardW, it is a very lovely globular size. In my eyes it is never a question of the most green in the flower, to bee a good green. This one is a very fine green galanthus.
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Richard, Great snowdrop :o, congratulations with this lovely snowdrop. One for adding to my wishlist !
Hope it will give you an offset this year for chipping. That is always the big point at our mind, chipping or wait for natural multiplying.
The problem is that you do not know or the snowdrop let it self be chipped. Some can not be chipped, no bullips are formed.
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Hagen, I'm not really a fan of VERY green drops, probably in a minority ;) but it has potential although it's proving quite slow to increase which is never a good sign, time will tell.
Richard, I've not been very successful chipping Diggory so it hasn't been done, until there are a few bulbs it will have to be natural.
I also miss John's photos.
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Does someone has experience with growing green snowdrops from seed? I've been trying to grow our own Green Mile from seed for several years now and the percentage of green or greenish seedlings is probably less than 5% although I've always crosspolinated with other green flowered drops and of course with green mile itself. Only one seedling out of hundreds turned out to be almost identical to the original green mile. Vegetative propagation of green mile turned out to be a walk in the park. It's without doubt one of our best growers in the garden: http://www.greenmilenursery.be/galanthus.html (http://www.greenmilenursery.be/galanthus.html)
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Robin, have you ever tried to make some back crossings with the snowdrops ? Or to cross a seedling again with the parent Green Mile ?
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Robin, have you ever tried to make some back crossings with the snowdrops ? Or to cross a seedling again with the parent Green Mile ?
Well, I haven't yet but I probably should as I have read that crosspolinating seedlings of with the orginal will result in a higher percentage of green? I don't really know why but then again, my knowledge of genetics is gettin kinda rusty! But I'll try it for sure this year.
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Robin, good luck with all the work. I am almost sure you will get more greens with making the back crossings.
Looking forward to see your results in a few years :D
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Does someone has experience with growing green snowdrops from seed? I've been trying to grow our own Green Mile from seed for several years now and the percentage of green or greenish seedlings is probably less than 5% although I've always crosspolinated with other green flowered drops and of course with green mile itself. Only one seedling out of hundreds turned out to be almost identical to the original green mile. Vegetative propagation of green mile turned out to be a walk in the park. It's without doubt one of our best growers in the garden: http://www.greenmilenursery.be/galanthus.html (http://www.greenmilenursery.be/galanthus.html)
Robin,
Have you done the pollination in your breeding efforts in a secured and controlled environment, that is no contamination from other pollen sources possible other than the ones you were applying? If you have done that and you have crossed green with green, than maybe there are several genes involved to create the virescent look instead of only one. It would certainly explain your low rate of virsescent seedlings. If it is only one gene, than you will have a 25% 100% chance to get a virescent seedling out of two virescent parents. If you have hundreds seedlings of these two parents, you should have dozens of virescent babies. Again, if you have done it in a controlled and secured manner. Your numbers are less than 5% close to 1% even.
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Hi John,
I think you pointed out my problem right there! As I like lots of amazing snowdrops growing all together the environment was, as you explained, very contaminated! :-) I might do some effort this year in pollinating my single nice green mile seedling with the original Green Mile or maybe Green Tear in an isolated spot.
greets,
Clint
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I was surprised and delighted to find my most expensive purchase last year has twin scapes - see photo of 'E A Bowles'
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I find Galanthus 'Sutton Courtenay' to be a really good doer :)
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Hi John,
I think you pointed out my problem right there! As I like lots of amazing snowdrops growing all together the environment was, as you explained, very contaminated! :-) I might do some effort this year in pollinating my single nice green mile seedling with the original Green Mile or maybe Green Tear in an isolated spot.
greets,
Clint
Hi Clint,
I think you'll manage a good crossing if you have an isolated crossing attempt. Good luck and keep us informed!
Cheers!
p.s. I have miscalculated when I was talking about one gene causing the virescent look. If it is really one gene and you cross a virescent x virescent you should've gotten 100% green off spring. If it is a complex of genes I don't know the percentages.
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Arthur you might have stag on the bulbs behind 'EA Bowles'
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A few Snowdrops in flower from around the garden this week.
Galanthus nivalis 'Finchale Abbey'.
Galanthus 'Greenfinch'.
Galanthus 'James Backhouse.
Galanthus nivalis 'Art Nouveau'
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They're doing well in the cold weather, Jane.
I see you've still got stock in your mail-order lists... http://www.cornoviumsnowdrops.co.uk (http://www.cornoviumsnowdrops.co.uk) 8)
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Where's John Finch this year?
Working too hard and really busy - but well!
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I was surprised and delighted to find my most expensive purchase last year has twin scapes - see photo of 'E A Bowles'
I think so, too, Arthur. I planted mine in 2013. Last year there were 2 scapes, this year there are at least 4, possibly 5.
Sutton Courteney: again - my experience, too. There are 6 scapes from the one bulb I planted in autum 2014! I like this snowdrop for its unique and cheerful looks - even when it is closed in bad weather.
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Arthur you might have stag on the bulbs behind 'EA Bowles'
I am glad this was spotted. Have removed the pot and will investigate further.
Many thanks to all who advised me here and on Facebook.
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I think so, too, Arthur. I planted mine in 2013. Last year there were 2 scapes, this year there are at least 4, possibly 5.
Sutton Courteney: again - my experience, too. There are 6 scapes from the one bulb I planted in autum 2014! I like this snowdrop for its unique and cheerful looks - even when it is closed in bad weather.
I am confused about this issue. In the American FB group, I mentioned two scapes on one bulb where each scape had its own set of leaves and was told that was impossible---that there must be more than one bulb there if there was more than one set of leaves. That reasoning would mean that you have six bulbs because it looks like each Sutton Courteney scape has a set of leaves.
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I know what you mean, Carolyn, I was surprised, too. This is not a good photograph, but it shows the situation. Maybe the bulb had divided up inside but was still wrapped in its outer covering, so appeared to be one bulb when planted in July last year?
The experts will know...
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Sutton Courtenay is due to divide
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Sutton Courtenay is due to divide
Yes,Mark. Sutton Courtenay is a really good galanthus. I multiplies fast, makes a good clump in no time. Its olive green ovary is quite showy.
My problem only was here- the narcissus flies liked it, too.
I had to remove it to another place in the garden.
Kind regards,Martina
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I am confused about this issue. In the American FB group, I mentioned two scapes on one bulb where each scape had its own set of leaves and was told that was impossible---that there must be more than one bulb there if there was more than one set of leaves.
It's not uncommon for a snowdrop bulb to split 'internally' whilst retaining the outer scales. I don't know how long it takes for a scale to get from the inside of the bulb to the outside but I think it must certainly be more than one season. So I'm with the American FB on this one, each 'nose' produces a set of leaves and each set of leaves produces one or more scapes. You can have a bulb with multiple noses that are not visible when the bulb is dormant - but if you stripped off the outer scales you would find multiple bulbs inside.
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'Moortown Mighty' is a mighty snowdrop - short, fat, thick outers just like ..?.. that down open when squeezed. I don't like its scent. With a wee squeeze I can see the inners but don't know if the outers open wide enough to reveal them. Two windowsill sessions and this is the widest they opened
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It's not uncommon for a snowdrop bulb to split 'internally' whilst retaining the outer scales. I don't know how long it takes for a scale to get from the inside of the bulb to the outside but I think it must certainly be more than one season. So I'm with the American FB on this one, each 'nose' produces a set of leaves and each set of leaves produces one or more scapes. You can have a bulb with multiple noses that are not visible when the bulb is dormant - but if you stripped off the outer scales you would find multiple bulbs inside.
Thank you for the clarification, Alan! I thought that was the cause, but it is good to know for certain.
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I'm not a galanthophile although the past couple of years I've started showing worrying signs of infection. I bought a pot of G elwesii from Wisley last year, because the flower marking on one was different to the other two in the pot. Thought I'd ask how common it is for the inner basal and apical green marks to merge?
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Steve, you are on the slippery slope ;D G.elwesii are endlessly variable so often you find marks have merged giving a sort of goblet shape, many are lovely. This doesn't detract from your finds. What would is if they were not stable year in, year out. Enjoy them as you found them ;)
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Steve, you are on the slippery slope ;D
Thanks, Brian. I know, it's very worrying! ;D. I've even sowed some seed of Galanthus reginae-olgae which I'm waiting to come up and bought some young bulbs of Magnet and Straffan. Eek! What started it was a pot of Sam Arnott which I felt compelled to buy.
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Steve, rest easy - it is perfectly possible to admire snaadreeps and even garner a few to your garden, without succumbing to the potentially lethal galanthomania.
I am confident about this , because I have remained unsullied over many years, while a large number of my dear friends are hopelessly smitten with these plants and the accompanying syndrome.
Naturally, I have taken an interest, partly to know what the Chums are on about and partly because of my forum reading "duty" - but, even though I love to see snowdrops in the garden, can admire a fine potful and might even acquire the odd one or six - I am resolutely not a galanthophile, cannot tell what any of them are, and still maintain they are all the same.
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Steve, rest easy - it is perfectly possible to admire snaadreeps and even garner a few to your garden, without succumbing to the potentially lethal galanthomania.
I am confident about this , because I have remained unsullied over many years, while a large number of my dear friends are hopelessly smitten with these plants and the accompanying syndrome.
Naturally, I have taken an interest, partly to know what the Chums are on about and partly because of my forum reading "duty" - but, even though I love to see snowdrops in the garden, can admire a fine potful and might even acquire the odd one or six - I am resolutely not a galanthophile, cannot tell what any of them are, and still maintain they are all the same.
Thanks for the reassurance, Maggi! Like you I don't get too excited about the small differences between many of the varieties although there was a pot of Sophie North (?) I saw at one of the SRGC/AGS shows that I thought was absolutely stunning. Different strokes for different folks. I wouldn't mind building up a small collection of the different species though...
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Thanks for the reassurance, Maggi! Like you I don't get too excited about the small differences between many of the varieties although there was a pot of Sophie North (?) I saw at one of the SRGC/AGS shows that I thought was absolutely stunning. Different strokes for different folks. I wouldn't mind building up a small collection of the different species though...
I think this is how it starts, Steve. I thought I'd collect some of the species plants, including a good number of G.reginae-olgae forms, all well and good. Then I saw 'Sophie North' at the Early Bulb Display last year and I too was smitten, so she's on my wishlist. A Scottish nursery had a couple of classic old varieties, so home they came. Wisley had a selection of distinctive varieties at reasonable prices, ditto. My criteria are that it has to be a 'good doer' in the garden, reasonably priced and that I'd be able to recognise it from ten paces. That way I hope I can enjoy the 'drops as garden plants without developing a full-blown case of infection. Good luck with your own prognosis ;D
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Steve, I've reminded myself there was an interesting discussion thread just over a year ago about "Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise". You can find the cultivars listed and pictured from this post onwards: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11041.msg287686#msg287686 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11041.msg287686#msg287686)
I think it ran to about 70 plants. As someone newly interested in snowdrops I've found this to be a useful list in navigating my way through the many, many cultivars out there. There's also lots of interesting discussion there that's worth reading.
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We only visited the Myddelton sale for the first time last year and it was quite a revelation after reading about the background to many of the snowdrops in the Snowdrop Monograph and seeing pictures of them here. If you take a reasoned attitude it's hard to see any difference between the multiplicity of snowdrops and say of roses or daffodils or dahlias or clematis, and there seem to be great horticulturists associated with all of these, and certainly with snowdrops. Is it because they relate more directly to people that gardeners tend to resist being drawn in? They lack the sort of scientific objectivity of studying and growing natural species? I can certainly see this both ways but in both cases there is a value put on plants which doesn't seem terribly different - we grow them and find them interesting, and oftentimes beautiful. For the specialist nurseryman the arguement turns out simpler still ;)
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Very true, Tim. Most people would be hard pressed to notice significant differences between some of the Narcissus I obsessively collect, the hoop petticoats particularly. The stories behind them - their habitats, distribution, the people who collected them etc - are as much a part of my enjoyment as the plants themselves. Snowdrops are no different in that respect. It's these stories that add such an engaging level of interest to the gardens of plantspeople.
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Is it because they relate more directly to people that gardeners tend to resist being drawn in? They lack the sort of scientific objectivity of studying and growing natural species?
I think the first often leads to the second Tim; as David Way illustrated with the story of G.'Gravesend Giant' to us yesterday it is fascinating to know who found them, where and what the story is behind them. You then get sucked in and before you know it you are just as interested, if not more so with the difficulty of replicating the perfect conditions for the species galanthus.
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No snowdrops here this year yet, only snow, so I have looked at pictures of my snowdrops from last spring.
Here is a nice one I think. These are self sown G.elwesii seedlings, and I like especially the one on the right with two flowers. The second picture is from the same snowdrops a month later and I like how the leaves of that snowdrop have stayed short.
The third picture is also a seedling, very short one.
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Hi steve I have some nice plump seed pods on a clump of galanthus Reginae Olgae which flowers in the autumn, you can have some later in the year when they ripen.
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I have no name for this .....but it is flowering in the rockgarden for the moment.
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Time after time here we read that the marks on a 'drop are less than stable - and if the "difference" of that 'drop is defined by such fugitive marks and this happens so often, then I think this itself breeds resistance in some of us to get drawn into something so clearly amorphous. While the drops themselves may be lovely, why would one get obsessive about something that has little or no stability, and which, in too many cases, proves to have no stamina or vigour in the garden?
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Time after time here we read that the marks on a 'drop are less than stable - and if the "difference" of that 'drop is defined by such fugitive marks and this happens so often, then I think this itself breeds resistance in some of us to get drawn into something so clearly amorphous. While the drops themselves may be lovely, why would one get obsessive about something that has little or no stability, and which, in too many cases, proves to have no stamina or vigour in the garden?
Agree on that Maggi .....
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I suppose the closest analogy is probably the fern-fever of the Victorian age but unusual ferns were discovered and dug up from the wild which is less than PC these days. With snowdrops you can do the same thing in your own garden! It will be interesting to watch which snowdrops really persist and join the ranks of 'S. Arnott' and 'Magnet' over time, but there are old varieties like 'John Gray' which are real classic snowdrops and which I for one haven't been able to establish in the garden, but keep on trying (why? - it's a sort of stubborness I suppose, a bit like what happens to people who collect crocus ;)). When you get a clump like this of 'S. Arnott' in Elizabeth Cairn's garden, Knowle Hill Farm, it does set the heart racing and it's hard to stop yourself buying a few more varieties each year :) even if they might be a little fugitive at times.
What was interesting at Myddelton is how you slowly tune in to the variation in snowdrops on the rock garden (at first this is just a sea of white, as you see them naturalised in woodlands). The eye has an amazing ability to differentiate the smallest and subtlest of differences which others are wonderfully able to point out to you when you do consider all snowdrops just white things that flower in winter! I agree that long term vigour in the garden is the real thing to look for, and I tend to allow fertile snowdrops to set seed and spread for this very reason. But 'S. Arnott' for example is sterile and still a wonderful 'doer'. (I've had a quick look in the Plantfinder and only around seven snowdrops have an AGM and four of these are simply the species elwesii, nivalis, plicatus and woronowii - that doesn't give an impression of what fun you can get from these plants :D)
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........ but there are old varieties like 'John Gray' which are real classic snowdrops and which I for one haven't been able to establish in the garden, but keep on trying (why? - it's a sort of stubborness I suppose, a bit like what happens to people who collect crocus ;))..
I'll gloss over the remark about the exalted ranks of the Croconut ........
It is odd how we all vary in how often we'll try with a plant before we give up and admit it's not going to grow for us. We each have a different pain threshold on the matter, I'm sure!
'Sophie North' has been mentioned as a lovely plant - and it is - but it has never established here, while Angie grew it well just a couple of miles away as the crow flies. Mind you, these differences in success can often be seen in o ne garden nver mind one street or county!
What I do think about 'Sophie North' is that she is one of a fairly few 'drops which seems to settle well and grow beautifully in a pot. There are some stunning potfuls shown around the UK- we've seen plenty in the forum- just bursting with health and so pretty.
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despite a fairy warm day not much was opening.
gracilis Highdown
Sutton Courtenay
Sickle
one of the specials beds
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Here is G. 'Hughes Emerald'. There was a query about it the other day. It came to me on holidays a few years ago but hasn't gone home yet. I am simply minding this snowdrop for another. It grew well for a few years but had a set back two years ago and this is my full quota at the moment.
Following on comment above, Maggi etc, G. 'Sophie North' is one of my most special snowdrops. As well as being a good snowdrop in the garden I treasure it for the memories it carries.
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Very nice Paddy, are the marks on the outers always the same?
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Brian, here are a few shots from previous years to show the green marks. It seems very consistent from these shots.
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A snowdrop with twin flowers - Galanthus 'Warwickshire Gemini' - pic for the IGPS by Paddy T :
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=769824069739680 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=769824069739680)
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Oh, Maggi, you are keeping an eye on me. Ali Rockford is very grateful for the tweet shares - she commented on it to me today.
Galanthus 'Warwickshire Gemini' emerging this year - one "twin" at a time - and a shot from last year to show both "twins" in full bloom.
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Oh, Maggi, you are keeping an eye on me. Ali Rockford is very grateful for the tweet shares - she commented on it to me today.
The IGPS is one of the few societies worth paying attention too, Paddy!
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Brian, here are a few shots from previous years to show the green marks. It seems very consistent from these shots.
Cheers Paddy. It's a good 'un.
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Steve, I've reminded myself there was an interesting discussion thread just over a year ago about "Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise". You can find the cultivars listed and pictured from this post onwards: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11041.msg287686#msg287686 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11041.msg287686#msg287686)
I think it ran to about 70 plants. As someone newly interested in snowdrops I've found this to be a useful list in navigating my way through the many, many cultivars out there. There's also lots of interesting discussion there that's worth reading.
Thanks, Matt, that's a really interesting and useful thread. I think what will stop me developing the full symptoms of the disease ('dropsy'?) is Maggi's comment earlier: ...the marks on a 'drop are less than stable - and if the "difference" of that 'drop is defined by such fugitive marks and this happens so often, then I think this itself breeds resistance in some of us to get drawn into something so clearly amorphous. While the drops themselves may be lovely, why would one get obsessive about something that has little or no stability...
Of course, that's not the case for many of the plants shown in the list you referenced but still...
The thread Mark started on the differences (are there any?) that distinguish Compton Court from S. Arnott is a case in point. If the experts on the forum are struggling to tell one from the other then something's not quite right ???
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I think what will stop me developing the full symptoms of the disease ('dropsy'?)
That made me laugh, I'll think of it as that from now on ;D ;D
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Sorry I've not been on the forum lately, little brother has been very ill.....good news is he's on the road to recovery
Desperately needing, at this time of year, to satisfy my 'plant' cravings (I'm sure you know what I mean!) I visited Kelways yesterday & then on the way home stopped at another local nursery where I found this lovely four petal snowdrop in a pot of elwesii. The flower is a good size & the placement of the inner & outer petals is nice & even, so here's hoping it may be stable.
Mike
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I cross my thumbs for you!
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stopped at another local nursery where I found this lovely four petal snowdrop in a pot of elwesii.
The inner isn't purest white which is nice - or is it a camera trick/fault?
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The most exciting snowdrop I have ever bought. I cant get enough of it ::)
G. 'Ron McKenzie' or should it be 'Ronald McKenzie'?
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Wow - what a colour! :o It looks as if it might glow in the dark. Does it increase well?
(I think it is 'Ronald Mackenzie')
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If bought it would be 'Ronald McKenzie' so I guess that is what you should call it.
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It's a cracker. :)
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Galanthus 'Chequers' - A HUGE individual flower and 7 flowers out of one mature bulb!!
Galanthus 'Kingston Double'
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Wow - what a colour! :o It looks as if it might glow in the dark. Does it increase well?
It does glow especially the large inner mark. It glows like a yellow highlighter pen
I only got it last year so don't know if it increases well
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Mark, your G. "Ronald Mackenzie" is terrific. The color is very deeply saturated and it really is a stand out. Nice photos. Laughing at the spelling of the name of the cultivar as I have seen it three ways so far. I think the above is how the person's name is spelled. Rick
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It is one I would like to grow one day . It looks stunning :o
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G. 'Ron McKenzie' or should it be 'Ronald McKenzie'?
Aren't they two different varieties? 'Ron' is banana yellow and 'Ronald' is lemon yellow. Very easy to tell apart, all you need is a spectrophotometer which surely most gardeners have these days. ;D ;D
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SJW, I have only one variety but will give different light. So I cn get a citrus yellow and a orange yellow too ;D
But which of both is this please?
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They're all white with yellow bits! ;D
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They're all white with yellow bits! ;D
...but highly desirable ;D ;D
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Main point being that the gentleman's name is Mackenzie rather than Mckenzie or McKenzie :)
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oops
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oops
I've got relatives who are McLaren and friends who are Maclaren - or is it the other way round...... ::) ??? Not easy, is it?!
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Main point being that the gentleman's name is Mackenzie rather than Mckenzie or McKenzie :)
Yes, apologies for earlier misspelling but I was more focussed on the fact that the plant is named 'Ronald Mackenzie' not 'Ron Mackenzie', however well you might know him.
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I'll have a look at the inners again Mark. It will be dark when I get home so will try to grab a look tomorrow morning.
The pictures of your snowdrop are really stunning.
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Grotty weather today...
'Ailwyn' - dripping
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Dem Wetter geschuldet ist es doch ein recht hübsches Bild geworden, Bolle.
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Bisserl überbelichtet. Trotzdem danke!
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Dem Wetter geschuldet ist es doch ein recht hübsches Bild geworden, Bolle.
Hagen :
Das Wort "Bolle" darfst Du hier unten im Süden keiner Dame sagen !!! :-X :-X
Hans
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;D ;D ;D
Mein Mann ist Berliner!
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so so ...ein Saupreiss >:(
Zu den Preussen (Berlinern )
"eine Schande ist das nicht ...aber ein Unglück"
...ein Bayer :D :D
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There are times when I would agree with you... ;)
Sorry, folks, it's this abysmal weather...
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Helen J. writes about a visit to Colesbourne : https://patientgardener.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/englands-greatest-snowdrop-garden/
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Hans' wonderful snowdrop doing very well in my garden.
G. 'Hans guck in die Luft'
The first photo has my finger to show flower size and in the second it is to the left of the shot with G. 'George Elwes' to the front and right and G. 'Lapwing' behind - which will help you get an idea of its size.
Look closely and you will see a second flush of flowers coming along which prolongs the display wonderfully.
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Hi Paddy ,
great to see my plant in your wonderful garden
Hans
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A different experience today. A botanical artist called to the garden today to sketch, measure and photograph a snowdrop. It was Alan _bs' discovery from his friend's house in Ireland in Longraigue, Co. Wexford.
You can see the clump she is examining in front of her. Alan's snowdrop is doing very well here.
The compost heap in the background is not the most artistic, I suppose, but it is all part of gardening.
Galanthus 'Longraigue' getting its picture taken!!!
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Hi Paddy ,
great to see my plant in your wonderful garden
Hans
Isn't it doing wonderfully well, Hans! I am delighted with it, a great plant. Many thanks.
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Galanthus 'Longraigue' looks like its a tall one. How tall is it? Whats the inner like?
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30 cm tall, Mark.
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The compost heap in the background is not the most artistic, I suppose, but it is all part of gardening.
Galanthus 'Longraigue'
I always like to look at your snowdrop pictures, also because of the surroundings. :) Your beds and spring garden look so inspiring, and compost heap belongs to it. :)
'Longraique' looks like a good snowdrop, being so tall. Very nice.
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That's an excellent photo of what I regard as the 'typical' mark on the inner petal of 'Longraigue', Paddy. All mine are exactly like that. But as an example of Galanthus plicatus it isn't particularly tall, Mark. I don't think mine get to much above 20cm but Paddy has some really good soil!
For me 'Longraigue' is always in flower by mid January and in its original locale it was flowering in late December when I got it. But it comes later for Paddy who gardens in a bit of a frost pocket.
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30 cm tall, Mark.
Thanks. It looks lovely
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First and only moan, for at least a year ::), about 'Ivy Cottage, wheres the, Green Tip'
16 flowering sized bulbs and not a hint of green
I'd love to see photos of what others have
"not for sale" when I first saw it
mine this morning
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Anyone want to buy some very rare elwesii 'Ivy Cottage White Tip'? First time available!! Hurry while stocks last!!
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I can supply the extraordinarily rare 'White Turbine' if offered a small fortune. This is 'Wind Turbine' but without any marks on the outer petals.
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I can offer a NOT Ecusson D'or which was apparently collected from the opposite bank where the correct one was collected,no yellow on the outer
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That's a compost heap to be proud of Paddy
Mike
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Indeed!
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I expect I could add a white version of 'Jessica' to that list, I normally can :(
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You can send me all the wrong ones, I have lots of room for wrong snowdrops :) ;D, my only wrong so far is Not-Magnet.
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I have one called Not Poc.......guess why :-\
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Alan a couple of my Wind Turbine flowers had ordinary outers this year but only one per flower
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I've got a not Diggory .
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Alan a couple of my Wind Turbine flowers had ordinary outers this year but only one per flower
I had one completely white flower in 2013, no flowers in 2014 and now three white ones (so far) this year. So it is bulking-up well enough but not doing what it is supposed to. David Quinton once posted about a 'White Hayes' that was supposedly a chipping misfortune so perhaps my 'White Turbine' is the same.
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Mark - your Ronald Mackensie is superb. Your photo is a sad reminder of yet another beautiful snowdrop I lost :'(
One of these days I will replace it.
I never got a Snowdrop Company catalogue this year as I never ordered last year due to the loss of my father - infact I have been dropped out of many catalogues. I can't bear the thought of trying to get back on all those lists again....it took me years ;)
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Alan I'm wondering why yours aren't twin scaped? All of mine including daughter bulbs are
Kentish, Ronald isn't doing snowdrops anymore :'(
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The three 'White Turbine' that are flowering this year were two rootless offset bulbs removed at the end of the 2013 season. I'm impressed that one of them has managed to grow to become two flowering bulbs in two seasons so I'm not really worried about the second scape (so far). The main bulb was looking a tad sickly when last seen in 2013 so it has been on its own since.
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Had a wander round the garden the other day with the camera in case the weather gets bad.
1. Galanthus 'Saraband' now further open than previous picture and showing its twin headed stems with one flower above the other.
2. Galanthus 'Snoopy'
3. Galanthus 'Castle Plum'
4. Galanthus 'Ewe'
5. Galanthus 'Rosemary Burnham'
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A few more.
1. Galanthus 'Pat Mason'
2. Galanthus 'Trimmer'
3. Galanthus 'Trumps'
4. Galanthhus 'Wasp'
5. Galanthus 'Lapwing'
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Another few.
1. Galanthus 'Wind Turbine'
2. Galanthus 'Wind Turbine'
3. Galanthus 'Fair Maid'
4. Galanthus 'Glenchantress'
5. Galanthus 'Glenorma'
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As you can tell from the video of The Ultimate Snowdrop Sale on the other thread, neither of us was in the queue so didn’t get a chance to buy either ‘Castle Green Dragon’ or ‘Bumble Green’, however there were other lovely snowdrops to be had and there is always another year. Luckily we saw this example of Galanthus 'Castle Green Dragon' in a snowdrop collectors garden recently.
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2. Galanthus 'Trimmer'
Why do I see this and hear "three little maids from school are we..... " in my head? :D
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Why do I see this and hear "three little maids from school are we..... " in my head? :D
Yes they do look a bit like prim little things. To my mind this is the best 'Trym' derivative we grow so far, but it may yet be surpassed!
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Great photos as always.
Re CGD, as with most very green drops I just don't get the appeal :-\ a clump of Lapwing is far more appealing ;)
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A few photos from around the garden.
Galanthus 'Margaret Owen' the flowers have gotten bigger this year.
Galanthus 'Comet' showing good green markings this year.
Galanthus 'Diggory' my best photo yet.
Galanthus 'Pat Mason' one of my favourites.
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A few more.
Galanthus plicatus 'Wendy's Gold' enjoying some sun the other day.
Galanthus 'Margaret Biddulph' seems to be a good doer.
Galanthus 'Wasp' a big swarm in the garden.
Galanthus 'Rosemary Burnham' really likes our soil :)
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You've got 'em growing like weeds, Jane!
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Some photos taken this morning while the sun was shining!
Modern Art
Courteen Hall
I think the difference does become apparent in a photograph.
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Mandarin seems to be having fun this year
Very large pale ovary
One circular mark on base of inner, appears the same on all three petals, it most probably won't do it next year!
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So many gorgeous photos of flowering snowdrops being shown, especially 'Ronald Mackenzie', thank you everyone.
For contrast, here is a shot of my snowdrops today. We are supposed to go down to 1 to 5 degrees F (-17 to -15 C) three times in the coming week here in the mid-Atlantic where it is milder than many parts of the US. The boxes cover plants planted this fall as dormant bulbs, which are much more tender than the plants planted in the spring in the green. I learned my lesson last year when I lost so many. Hopefully this will work.
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Some photos taken this morning while the sun was shining!
Art Nouveau
Courteen Hall
I think the difference does become apparent in a photograph.
I don't see any difference
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Ronald isn't doing snowdrops anymore :'(
Oh No....how on earth am I going to replace Ruby Baker, Margaret Biddulph, Ronald Mackensie.....and now possibly Hugh Mackensie?
I went out to take photos today and was generally checking around for any problems. This is what I found in my beloved Hugh Mackensie - it was in a lattice pot. Is there any hope for the two bulbs on the left? I threw the swift moth larvae into the field next door and amended the soil and replanted the bulbs as it was getting dark.
My father bought this snowdrop for my birthday 3 years ago - I am gutted.
Not the only losses - a lattice pot that was full of Green Arrow last year.....nothing - no larvaes of any kind and no traces of bulbs either. In the coldframe I emptied out no shows in a state of panic.....all disappeared with a few signs of mush.
MARK SOLOMON :'(
MARGARET BIDDULPH
RUBY BAKER
CLIFF CURTIS
ACTON PIGGOT NO. 3
OCTOPUSSY.......and more......its such a waste of lovely plants
I actually bought coldframes last autumn and bedded the pots down into sharp sand. Growing snowdrops is like playing Russian Roulette, but I am not giving up yet !
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Swift moth larvae are a big problem for me too, Jenny. Here's what I'm doing about it;
I have some snowdrops in raised beds. I cover these with a fine insect mesh netting from May until the end of August. I have done this for two years now without any apparent harm and I have not yet found any larvae in the covered area nor the surrounding pots which are also covered.
I treat with a product called 'Grow your own Nematodes' since there is no specific nematode for swift moth larvae. I have no idea if this brings any benefit.
I have considered using Provado systemic insecticide late in the season (after flowering has finished). I have used this once or twice but I don't really like spraying with insecticide so i am trying to avoid this.
I also have an unnamed snowdrop that seems well-suited to my garden conditions and bulks-up prolifically. I am using that as a 'pioneer' as the first snowdrop to go in to a new area. Once these 'easy' snowdrops are established I feel confident to plant some more precious ones amongst them.
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Jenny I am so sorry for your further problems. I would, however, think that the bulb on the extreme left has some chance as there is base plate still intact. It could take a couple of years or so to renew, but, as long as it is not attacked again it should do so. My 'Ecusson d'Or' was bought in growth and nothing showed the next year, on inspection in the summer there was a tiny bit of baseplate left with miniscule pips beginning to form which have now grown on. As there is a lot of bulb outer there it should be alright hopefully. Will PM you. :-*
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We have had big problems with swift moth caterpillars growing hellebores commercially (and had to resort to systemic insecticide) and it is obvious that they are ubiquitous in gardens and a serious pest of snowdrops and other plants. I think that you have to accept quite severe losses, especially of isolated bulbs, unless you take the sort of measures Alan describes. This is a danger of growing special varieties which are not really adapted to gardens but more to the gardener's eye. It's another reason to grow fertile snowdrops and enjoy the varieties that actually prosper in the garden. Once colonies begin to build up they seem less susceptible - it always seems the sought after and latest acquisition that these pests go for (we have had the same problem with rabbits! which always discover new and freshly planted plants, even if they don't eat them). We mulch the woodland areas of the garden with leaves and compost regularly and I suspect a more varied and natural woodland soil fauna that results probably means that soil pests are kept more under control without having to use chemicals.
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Galanthus 'Galatea'
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I don't see any difference
I believe Courteenhall shows more green at the base Mark, more noticeable in a photo than trying to carry an image in your head across the garden.
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We are supposed to go down to 1 to 5 degrees F (-17 to -15 C) three times in the coming week here in the mid-Atlantic where it is milder than many parts of the US.
Ouch that sounds really cold - I do hope your system works and your bulbs survive Carolyn.
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Taken yesterday while working in the garden, it is good to get close and see what is going on:
Fly Fishing - behaving
Anglesey Abbey - well I guess it is behaving (Bishop et al, "a somewhat variable inclination to be poculiform)
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...Once colonies begin to build up they seem less susceptible - it always seems the sought after and latest acquisition that these pests go for...
I once put two Swift Moth larvae together in a small container; we'll call it a mug. The crawled around the perimeter but got angry when one encountered the other and quickly fought each other to the death although hitherto they had been co-existing in the same pot. If they don't like being too close to each other and you have enough bulbs to satisfy their hunger then perhaps they will just attack the bulbs at the periphery of a larger colony and you won't really notice this?
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Alan, I have done precisely the same thing and with the same results. We put them out with vine weevils for the robins! Sort of satisfying after all the damage they do.
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If there is anything left of the bulb I always try and rescue and it works sometimes, my one bulb of spindlestone surprise was in a very sorry state a few years ago & although it hasn't flowered again it's now the size of a marble and looking healthy.
Jane, that photo of Wasp in a clump is great, it's a variety I struggle to keep here but lattice pots are proving quite successful.
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Just "plain"ones in my garden. Don't think they would have a name. But I have lots of and i love them.
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Some photos taken this morning while the sun was shining!
Art Nouveau
Courteen Hall
I think the difference does become apparent in a photograph.
I think you may have posted a picture of 'Modern Art' and 'Courteen Hall'. ???
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Great plants Brian and Mr King. :) They really made day.
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Thanks everyone for your comments re. Swift Moth larvae. Alan I am going to remove Hemerocallis from a raised bed in partial shade and use it as a Galanthus bed and cover with netting as you do. I do not have a great deal of luck with potted plants so this may work better. How do you secure your netting to the ground - bricks, pegs? Do you raise it off the ground using posts?
I have been wondering if I could make individual net covers using strong wire into a tee pee and wrapping netting around as sewing the netting onto the baskets is arduous to say the least! However, wherever I have covered the bulbs with baskets I have not had any losses as far as I can tell.
I do see Swift Moth larvae quite often in my soil but hoped they would not make it into the woodland area where my snowdrops are planted - WRONG! As Tim said - it is always the coveted snowdrops that seem to get attacked :'(
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Jenny, I use canes with ceramic balls on the top to raise the netting above the bed and weigh-down the edges with anything heavy I can find - such as bricks. If you want to be really professional/up-market then something like this might work http://www.harrodhorticultural.com/plastic-raised-beds-and-protection-cid7.html (http://www.harrodhorticultural.com/plastic-raised-beds-and-protection-cid7.html)
Swift Moths lay their eggs on the wing, apparently, so I use the finest mesh netting I can find in the hope that eggs would not fall through. This should work against Narcissus Fly also
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John Gray, Diggory and Glenchantress :)
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Super snowdrops Dean, and so clean :o
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Thanks everyone for your comments re. Swift Moth larvae. Alan I am going to remove Hemerocallis from a raised bed in partial shade and use it as a Galanthus bed and cover with netting as you do. I do not have a great deal of luck with potted plants so this may work better. How do you secure your netting to the ground - bricks, pegs? Do you raise it off the ground using posts?
I have been wondering if I could make individual net covers using strong wire into a tee pee and wrapping netting around as sewing the netting onto the baskets is arduous to say the least! However, wherever I have covered the bulbs with baskets I have not had any losses as far as I can tell.
I do see Swift Moth larvae quite often in my soil but hoped they would not make it into the woodland area where my snowdrops are planted - WRONG! As Tim said - it is always the coveted snowdrops that seem to get attacked :'(
Jennie, I find that the jerry-rigged methods usually are hard to put in place and usually fall apart not to mention storing them. I cover my snowdrops to prevent rodent damage when newly planted with a product called a Low Pest Control Pop Up in either 4x4 feet or 4x8 feet: http://www.gardeners.com/buy/low-pest-control-pop-ups/8587837RS.html?start=13&cgid=GardenPestControls_Cat. (http://www.gardeners.com/buy/low-pest-control-pop-ups/8587837RS.html?start=13&cgid=GardenPestControls_Cat.) It pops open like a children's play tent and is just as easy to fold back up flat and small for storage. Being green it stays clean but still let's in enough light. It comes with attached loops and metal stakes to hold it down tight. Good for theft deterrent too. Made by Gardener's Supply in the US.
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Super snowdrops Dean, and so clean :o
Thanks Brian, they've had enough 'rinsing' in this weather and a great airing last night in the wind! Got my John Gray in the rock garden as the grit mulch keeps it clean when it droops!
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Thanks Alan and Carolyn for your meshy tips! I have had a quick look on ebay and found these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pack-of-1-Mini-Pop-Up-Crop-Cage-Fruit-Veg-Cage-50-x-50-x-50cm-SKU-GPN050-01/301444086449?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D28871%26meid%3D003cde05770c4fb58c948e4ccfef7793%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D301307759559 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pack-of-1-Mini-Pop-Up-Crop-Cage-Fruit-Veg-Cage-50-x-50-x-50cm-SKU-GPN050-01/301444086449?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D28871%26meid%3D003cde05770c4fb58c948e4ccfef7793%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D301307759559)
and these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-m-x-1-m-x-0-75m-Pop-Up-Giant-Garden-Fruit-Crop-Cage-Low-Height-GPN100-50-/301307759559? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-m-x-1-m-x-0-75m-Pop-Up-Giant-Garden-Fruit-Crop-Cage-Low-Height-GPN100-50-/301307759559?)
All very positive ;)
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6 or maybe 7 days open and despite warm days and windowsill treatment 'Moortown Mighty' still doesn't open wide enough to show off the inners. The outers are too thick to do the snowdrop pinch. Today I gently raised the flower by resting two outers on two fingers
First time growing Galanthus graecus.
'Moortown Mighty'
Galanthus graecus
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Very happy to see my group of Trumps has almost doubled the number of flowering sized bulbs since last year
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Galanthus 'Primrose Warburg'
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a nice garden-center find (nivalis ) from this week , here a little more green than usual at the nivalis with green tips :)
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Nice find Uwe :), try to find some more.
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That clump of 'Trumps' is gorgeous, Mark! :o
Well done, Uwe, you must have a good eye for these special beauties. An excellent find.
My 'Modern Art' is doing weird things. Besides producing perfectly normal scapes, it produces very short ones with flowers which have hardly any spathe. Is that something that happens regularly?
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I think you may have posted a picture of 'Modern Art' and 'Courteen Hall'. ???
Thanks Steve you are quite right - I do have a problem with the names "Modern Art" and "Art Nouveau" - although I am quite happy distinguishing the drops. I will try and amend my posting.
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Jo very briefly shows off 'Wind Turbine' 3.30 minutes in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050b6qd/spotlight-31012015 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050b6qd/spotlight-31012015)
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Thanks Steve you are quite right - I do have a problem with the names "Modern Art" and "Art Nouveau" - although I am quite happy distinguishing the drops. I will try and amend my posting.
I hope you don't think i'm too GRUMPY Carole?.I've just seem to be pointing out mistakes these days.
Note to self ,Must post more photo's.
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Note to self ,Must post more photo's.
Yes please Steve ;)
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Jo very briefly shows off 'Wind Turbine' 3.30 minutes in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050b6qd/spotlight-31012015 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050b6qd/spotlight-31012015)
hey Mark, It was a weird piece. As always they film for ages then when it's shown they miss out the important bit, that is that it could be seen at the NGS opening the following day ::) However they also covered it on Radio Devon and did advertise the opening. I think the various planning issues about wind farms in Devon and the snowdrops' name kinda made got in the way of sensible story telling
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Hi fixpix your snowdrops look lovely, I'm glad you get so much pleasure from them.
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Jo, your garden is wonderful. I have looked the photos in Cherubeer Garden now many times. :) Thank you for having the photos of your garden online.
I like most of all the January snowdrop photos in the woodland, but also the Primulas and Geraniums in the summer, and how huge is your Osmunda, I have one which is about third of the size of yours.
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Thankyou Leena, I must put a few new pictures on the site again this year. The Osmunda was planted about 20 years ago and it has done well considering its in a raised bed beside the pond so isn't in moist soil.
It was one of the herbaceous plants that didn't get cleared back before we opened the other day. If it had been a bit smaller visitors might have been able to see the snowdrop hiding beneath it ::) :)
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Very elegant indeed. And neat marks. Good shape to the flowers, even though the "claws" are a bit longer than I might favour - I find the tendency for the claws to lengthen as the flower matures is not a feature which appeals to me. I'd be interested to see another photo when the flower is older, please, Ian, if you would be so kind?
Just for you Maggi
the before and after
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Still a pretty flower , Ian, even with the slightly extended claws . Thank you for sharing.